Re: Future of KSysguard - removing remote monitoring
On March 8, 2011, John Tapsell wrote: Hi all, For the past 13 years or so, ksysguard has been in KDE under various names. Right from the beginning it was designed to monitor remote systems as well as local ones. John, thanks a lot for taking care of ksysguard. I consider it one of the best applications of the KDE basic workspace. I push it energetically on all sys- admins I find (and usually they're easily convinced). I believe the most important feature of ksysguard is its remote capability. I must acknowledge that I know very little of the mechanics of this feature (yet I know it is developed in-house, since at the time (long ago...), Chris Schlaeger didn't really have much choice in terms of monitoring libraries). I dare to ask you consider to not remove this feature. Perhaps your observation is rather an occasion to look at some redesign (and reuse of better (?) technologies in remote monitoring). Another aspect that tingled me for some time now is how nice ksysguard widgets would fit in plasmoids. Thanks a lot for your attention and for your great work. -- Cristian Tibirna KDE developer .. tibi...@kde.org .. http://www.kde.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Future of KSysguard - removing remote monitoring
On 10 March 2011 14:43, Cristian Tibirna tibi...@kde.org wrote: On March 8, 2011, John Tapsell wrote: Hi all, For the past 13 years or so, ksysguard has been in KDE under various names. Right from the beginning it was designed to monitor remote systems as well as local ones. John, thanks a lot for taking care of ksysguard. I consider it one of the best applications of the KDE basic workspace. I push it energetically on all sys- admins I find (and usually they're easily convinced). I believe the most important feature of ksysguard is its remote capability. I must acknowledge that I know very little of the mechanics of this feature (yet I know it is developed in-house, since at the time (long ago...), Chris Schlaeger didn't really have much choice in terms of monitoring libraries). I dare to ask you consider to not remove this feature. Perhaps your observation is rather an occasion to look at some redesign (and reuse of better (?) technologies in remote monitoring). Thanks - you guys have already changed my mind :-) John
Re: Future of KSysguard - removing remote monitoring
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:18 AM, John Tapsell johnf...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 March 2011 14:43, Cristian Tibirna tibi...@kde.org wrote: On March 8, 2011, John Tapsell wrote: Hi all, For the past 13 years or so, ksysguard has been in KDE under various names. Right from the beginning it was designed to monitor remote systems as well as local ones. John, thanks a lot for taking care of ksysguard. I consider it one of the best applications of the KDE basic workspace. I push it energetically on all sys- admins I find (and usually they're easily convinced). I believe the most important feature of ksysguard is its remote capability. I must acknowledge that I know very little of the mechanics of this feature (yet I know it is developed in-house, since at the time (long ago...), Chris Schlaeger didn't really have much choice in terms of monitoring libraries). I dare to ask you consider to not remove this feature. Perhaps your observation is rather an occasion to look at some redesign (and reuse of better (?) technologies in remote monitoring). Thanks - you guys have already changed my mind :-) John It is good it is not going to be removed, but it does sound like there are problems with the protocol being used that makes the program difficult to develop. Could that situation be improved without removing the functionality? -Todd
Re: Future of KSysguard - removing remote monitoring
On 9 Mar 2011, at 7:54 AM, John Tapsell wrote: Thanks for the feedback - this is why I put out such emails before I make any changes. It's good to know that people actually use this app - sometimes it's hard to know if anyone actually uses it. I'll hold off on any rash changes for now. Thanks! John Has ksysguard (at least the front-end) been ported to Mac OS X? This would save me a lot of time in having to invest time and effort in creating a web-monitoring system for a few sites I do admin stuff for If not, what is preventing it from working on that platform (if any), and would you welcome any help for getting it completed?
Re: Future of KSysguard - removing remote monitoring
On 9 March 2011 16:05, Gary Greene gree...@tolharadys.net wrote: On 9 Mar 2011, at 7:54 AM, John Tapsell wrote: Thanks for the feedback - this is why I put out such emails before I make any changes. It's good to know that people actually use this app - sometimes it's hard to know if anyone actually uses it. I'll hold off on any rash changes for now. Thanks! John Has ksysguard (at least the front-end) been ported to Mac OS X? This would save me a lot of time in having to invest time and effort in creating a web-monitoring system for a few sites I do admin stuff for If not, what is preventing it from working on that platform (if any), and would you welcome any help for getting it completed? It hasn't been ported afaik, but it works on BSD and solaris etc, so I don't think porting it would be a huge deal. You could probably just try compiling it and sending me any fixes that are needed. John
Re: Re: Future of KSysguard - removing remote monitoring
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Alex Fiestas afies...@kde.org wrote: Keep this feature as a plugin or something would be awesome, I've used this feature in the past and it was very helpful. Yeah, surely not one the most important feature but *very* helpful if one stumbles upon a use case :D (actually I am right now using it to monitor the n900 under kubuntu mobile ^^) regards, Harald
Re: Future of KSysguard - removing remote monitoring
On Wednesday 09 March 2011 15:00:27 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Tuesday, March 8, 2011, John Tapsell wrote: So unless anyone can talk me out of it now, I am going to remove the ability to monitor remote hosts entirely imho: instead of eviscerating the application of the primary feature that makes it useful to a significant group of users of that application (sys admins), i'd suggest starting a new application (even if it shares a lot of the same code) if you feel you must go this route. remote monitoring is _the_ reason for using ksysguard for many of its users. without that feature, it becomes completely and entirely useless. it may also be possible that a clever refactoring wuld accomplish the desired simplification as well, though i assume you've looked at that possibility already. I've looked at the code and it looks very clean and nice already. Maybe those prospective contributors simply weren't up to par (yet)?
Re: Future of KSysguard - removing remote monitoring
Thanks for the feedback - this is why I put out such emails before I make any changes. It's good to know that people actually use this app - sometimes it's hard to know if anyone actually uses it. I'll hold off on any rash changes for now. Thanks! John
Re: Future of KSysguard - removing remote monitoring
On Wednesday, March 9, 2011, John Tapsell wrote: Thanks for the feedback - this is why I put out such emails before I btw, in case it isn't abundantly clear: thanks for working on ksysguard, there are many of us out there who really appreciate your efforts :) -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Future of KSysguard - removing remote monitoring
On Tuesday 08 March 2011 15:15:33 John Tapsell wrote: So unless anyone can talk me out of it now, I am going to remove the ability to monitor remote hosts entirely, and to use one of the many excellent cross-platform debugged libraries that already exist to gather system information. is this just a modification to the frontend, or will ksysguardd (the daemon) be killed as well? -- Alberto Villa, FreeBSD committer avi...@freebsd.org http://people.FreeBSD.org/~avilla Great acts are made up of small deeds. -- Lao Tsu signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Re: Future of KSysguard - removing remote monitoring
Keep this feature as a plugin or something would be awesome, I've used this feature in the past and it was very helpful.
