Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Diego Herranz]

Thanks, Jeff.

I'll give it a try when it hits the nightlies.

Diego

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 6:54 PM Jeff Young  wrote:

> I’ve merged this suggestion.
>
> Unfortunately wxGrid conspires against us in trying to present the buttons
> when the grid cell is focused, but you do get them once you try to edit the
> cell.
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
>
>
> > On 20 Jul 2018, at 13:52, Jeff Young  wrote:
> >
> > No need.  I’ve just about got it implemented so a reminder would be
> surplus to requirements. ;)
> >
> >> On 20 Jul 2018, at 12:32, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't remember seeing a bug report for that just Diego's post to the
> >> mailing list.  If you want me to, I will create a bug report.
> >>
> >> On 07/19/2018 03:53 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> >>> I thought there was already a bug for this (reported by Gabriel
> >>> perhaps?), but I can’t seem to find it.
> >>>
>  On 19 Jul 2018, at 20:40, Wayne Stambaugh   > wrote:
> 
>  I second this motion.  I didn't find the right click trick so I fell
>  back to cvpcb which is overkill to change the footprint of a single
>  symbol.  A tooltip might be useful here as well.
> 
>  On 7/19/2018 3:19 PM, Diego Herranz wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've started to test these changes and, on the Symbol properties
> dialog,
> > I found it hard to assign a footprint.
> > Before, there used to be a button to open the Footprint selector
> window.
> > Now you seem to need right click on the footprint field and "select
> > footprint" and that only works if you're not editing the text of that
> > field. It took me a while to find out.
> > I don't find it straightforward.
> >
> > Maybe a double-click on that field should open the Footprint
> selector?
> > Maybe a button like attached? (Mind my poor mock-up)
> > Any other suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks for all the work on this.
> >
> > Diego
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:00 PM Jeff Young  > 
> > > wrote:
> >
> >   Changes in.  Could Kevin or Wayne please post the following dialogs
> >   one more time:
> >
> >   1) Change Footprints
> >   2) CvPCB (with footprint selected from right column)
> >   3) Footprint Properties
> >   4) Edit Track & Via Properties
> >
> >   Thanks,
> >   Jeff.
> >
> >> On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:28, Jeff Young  >> 
> >   > wrote:
> >>
> >> Yeah, the “Show” label of the Output Messages checkboxes is
> >   misplaced too.
> >>
> >> I’ll have another build along shortly….
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Jeff.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:05, Kevin Cozens  >>> 
> >   > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 2018-07-18 08:32 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>  Attached are the updated screen shots.
> >>>
> >>> One minor point. In the first screen shot the icon with the books
> >   and magnifying glass is on the right side of the dialog the first
> >   time it appears but is just after the end of the entry field the
> >   second time it appears.
> >>>
> >>> It would look a little better if they were in the same relative
> >   horizontal position.
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> Kevin.
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Jeff Young]

I’ve merged this suggestion.

Unfortunately wxGrid conspires against us in trying to present the buttons when 
the grid cell is focused, but you do get them once you try to edit the cell.

Cheers,
Jeff.


> On 20 Jul 2018, at 13:52, Jeff Young  wrote:
> 
> No need.  I’ve just about got it implemented so a reminder would be surplus 
> to requirements. ;)
> 
>> On 20 Jul 2018, at 12:32, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't remember seeing a bug report for that just Diego's post to the
>> mailing list.  If you want me to, I will create a bug report.
>> 
>> On 07/19/2018 03:53 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>> I thought there was already a bug for this (reported by Gabriel
>>> perhaps?), but I can’t seem to find it.
>>> 
 On 19 Jul 2018, at 20:40, Wayne Stambaugh >>> > wrote:
 
 I second this motion.  I didn't find the right click trick so I fell
 back to cvpcb which is overkill to change the footprint of a single
 symbol.  A tooltip might be useful here as well.
 
 On 7/19/2018 3:19 PM, Diego Herranz wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've started to test these changes and, on the Symbol properties dialog,
> I found it hard to assign a footprint.
> Before, there used to be a button to open the Footprint selector window.
> Now you seem to need right click on the footprint field and "select
> footprint" and that only works if you're not editing the text of that
> field. It took me a while to find out.
> I don't find it straightforward.
> 
> Maybe a double-click on that field should open the Footprint selector?
> Maybe a button like attached? (Mind my poor mock-up)
> Any other suggestions?
> 
> Thanks for all the work on this.
> 
> Diego
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:00 PM Jeff Young  
> > wrote:
> 
>   Changes in.  Could Kevin or Wayne please post the following dialogs
>   one more time:
> 
>   1) Change Footprints
>   2) CvPCB (with footprint selected from right column)
>   3) Footprint Properties
>   4) Edit Track & Via Properties
> 
>   Thanks,
>   Jeff.
> 
>> On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:28, Jeff Young > 
>   > wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, the “Show” label of the Output Messages checkboxes is
>   misplaced too.
>> 
>> I’ll have another build along shortly….
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Jeff.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:05, Kevin Cozens >> 
>   > wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 2018-07-18 08:32 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
 Attached are the updated screen shots.
>>> 
>>> One minor point. In the first screen shot the icon with the books
>   and magnifying glass is on the right side of the dialog the first
>   time it appears but is just after the end of the entry field the
>   second time it appears.
>>> 
>>> It would look a little better if they were in the same relative
>   horizontal position.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> Kevin.
>>> 
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>   things that
>>> https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the
>   mouth-breathers, and
>>>   | that's why we're powerful"
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Jeff Young]

No need.  I’ve just about got it implemented so a reminder would be surplus to 
requirements. ;)

> On 20 Jul 2018, at 12:32, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
> 
> I don't remember seeing a bug report for that just Diego's post to the
> mailing list.  If you want me to, I will create a bug report.
> 
> On 07/19/2018 03:53 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>> I thought there was already a bug for this (reported by Gabriel
>> perhaps?), but I can’t seem to find it.
>> 
>>> On 19 Jul 2018, at 20:40, Wayne Stambaugh >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I second this motion.  I didn't find the right click trick so I fell
>>> back to cvpcb which is overkill to change the footprint of a single
>>> symbol.  A tooltip might be useful here as well.
>>> 
>>> On 7/19/2018 3:19 PM, Diego Herranz wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I've started to test these changes and, on the Symbol properties dialog,
 I found it hard to assign a footprint.
 Before, there used to be a button to open the Footprint selector window.
 Now you seem to need right click on the footprint field and "select
 footprint" and that only works if you're not editing the text of that
 field. It took me a while to find out.
 I don't find it straightforward.
 
 Maybe a double-click on that field should open the Footprint selector?
 Maybe a button like attached? (Mind my poor mock-up)
 Any other suggestions?
 
 Thanks for all the work on this.
 
 Diego
 
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:00 PM Jeff Young >>> 
 > wrote:
 
Changes in.  Could Kevin or Wayne please post the following dialogs
one more time:
 
1) Change Footprints
2) CvPCB (with footprint selected from right column)
3) Footprint Properties
4) Edit Track & Via Properties
 
Thanks,
Jeff.
 
> On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:28, Jeff Young  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, the “Show” label of the Output Messages checkboxes is
misplaced too.
> 
> I’ll have another build along shortly….
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
> 
> 
>> On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:05, Kevin Cozens > 
> wrote:
>> 
>> On 2018-07-18 08:32 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>> Attached are the updated screen shots.
>> 
>> One minor point. In the first screen shot the icon with the books
and magnifying glass is on the right side of the dialog the first
time it appears but is just after the end of the entry field the
second time it appears.
>> 
>> It would look a little better if they were in the same relative
horizontal position.
>> 
>> --
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Kevin.
>> 
>> http://www.ve3syb.ca/   | "Nerds make the shiny
things that
>> https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the
mouth-breathers, and
>>| that's why we're powerful"
>> Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172  |
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Wayne Stambaugh]

I don't remember seeing a bug report for that just Diego's post to the
mailing list.  If you want me to, I will create a bug report.

On 07/19/2018 03:53 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> I thought there was already a bug for this (reported by Gabriel
> perhaps?), but I can’t seem to find it.
> 
>> On 19 Jul 2018, at 20:40, Wayne Stambaugh > > wrote:
>>
>> I second this motion.  I didn't find the right click trick so I fell
>> back to cvpcb which is overkill to change the footprint of a single
>> symbol.  A tooltip might be useful here as well.
>>
>> On 7/19/2018 3:19 PM, Diego Herranz wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've started to test these changes and, on the Symbol properties dialog,
>>> I found it hard to assign a footprint.
>>> Before, there used to be a button to open the Footprint selector window.
>>> Now you seem to need right click on the footprint field and "select
>>> footprint" and that only works if you're not editing the text of that
>>> field. It took me a while to find out.
>>> I don't find it straightforward.
>>>
>>> Maybe a double-click on that field should open the Footprint selector?
>>> Maybe a button like attached? (Mind my poor mock-up)
>>> Any other suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the work on this.
>>>
>>> Diego
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:00 PM Jeff Young >> 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>    Changes in.  Could Kevin or Wayne please post the following dialogs
>>>    one more time:
>>>
>>>    1) Change Footprints
>>>    2) CvPCB (with footprint selected from right column)
>>>    3) Footprint Properties
>>>    4) Edit Track & Via Properties
>>>
>>>    Thanks,
>>>    Jeff.
>>>
 On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:28, Jeff Young >>> 
>>>    > wrote:

 Yeah, the “Show” label of the Output Messages checkboxes is
>>>    misplaced too.

 I’ll have another build along shortly….

 Cheers,
 Jeff.


> On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:05, Kevin Cozens  
>>>    > wrote:
>
> On 2018-07-18 08:32 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> Attached are the updated screen shots.
>
> One minor point. In the first screen shot the icon with the books
>>>    and magnifying glass is on the right side of the dialog the first
>>>    time it appears but is just after the end of the entry field the
>>>    second time it appears.
>
> It would look a little better if they were in the same relative
>>>    horizontal position.
>
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Kevin.
>
> http://www.ve3syb.ca/               | "Nerds make the shiny
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> https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the
>>>    mouth-breathers, and
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[José Ignacio]

I like the button idea, the same thing should be done in the schematic
field editor, that would basically replace cvpcb for most usecases.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Jeff Young  wrote:

> I thought there was already a bug for this (reported by Gabriel perhaps?),
> but I can’t seem to find it.
>
>
> On 19 Jul 2018, at 20:40, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
>
> I second this motion.  I didn't find the right click trick so I fell
> back to cvpcb which is overkill to change the footprint of a single
> symbol.  A tooltip might be useful here as well.
>
> On 7/19/2018 3:19 PM, Diego Herranz wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've started to test these changes and, on the Symbol properties dialog,
> I found it hard to assign a footprint.
> Before, there used to be a button to open the Footprint selector window.
> Now you seem to need right click on the footprint field and "select
> footprint" and that only works if you're not editing the text of that
> field. It took me a while to find out.
> I don't find it straightforward.
>
> Maybe a double-click on that field should open the Footprint selector?
> Maybe a button like attached? (Mind my poor mock-up)
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks for all the work on this.
>
> Diego
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:00 PM Jeff Young  > wrote:
>
>Changes in.  Could Kevin or Wayne please post the following dialogs
>one more time:
>
>1) Change Footprints
>2) CvPCB (with footprint selected from right column)
>3) Footprint Properties
>4) Edit Track & Via Properties
>
>Thanks,
>Jeff.
>
> On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:28, Jeff Young 
>> wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, the “Show” label of the Output Messages checkboxes is
>
>misplaced too.
>
>
> I’ll have another build along shortly….
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
>
>
> On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:05, Kevin Cozens 
>> wrote:
>
>
> On 2018-07-18 08:32 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>
> Attached are the updated screen shots.
>
>
> One minor point. In the first screen shot the icon with the books
>
>and magnifying glass is on the right side of the dialog the first
>time it appears but is just after the end of the entry field the
>second time it appears.
>
>
> It would look a little better if they were in the same relative
>
>horizontal position.
>
>
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Kevin.
>
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>
>things that
>
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>
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>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Jeff Young]

I thought there was already a bug for this (reported by Gabriel perhaps?), but 
I can’t seem to find it.

> On 19 Jul 2018, at 20:40, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
> 
> I second this motion.  I didn't find the right click trick so I fell
> back to cvpcb which is overkill to change the footprint of a single
> symbol.  A tooltip might be useful here as well.
> 
> On 7/19/2018 3:19 PM, Diego Herranz wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've started to test these changes and, on the Symbol properties dialog,
>> I found it hard to assign a footprint.
>> Before, there used to be a button to open the Footprint selector window.
>> Now you seem to need right click on the footprint field and "select
>> footprint" and that only works if you're not editing the text of that
>> field. It took me a while to find out.
>> I don't find it straightforward.
>> 
>> Maybe a double-click on that field should open the Footprint selector?
>> Maybe a button like attached? (Mind my poor mock-up)
>> Any other suggestions?
>> 
>> Thanks for all the work on this.
>> 
>> Diego
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:00 PM Jeff Young > >> wrote:
>> 
>>Changes in.  Could Kevin or Wayne please post the following dialogs
>>one more time:
>> 
>>1) Change Footprints
>>2) CvPCB (with footprint selected from right column)
>>3) Footprint Properties
>>4) Edit Track & Via Properties
>> 
>>Thanks,
>>Jeff.
>> 
>>> On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:28, Jeff Young mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, the “Show” label of the Output Messages checkboxes is
>>misplaced too.
>>> 
>>> I’ll have another build along shortly….
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jeff.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:05, Kevin Cozens >>> 
>>>> wrote:
 
 On 2018-07-18 08:32 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> Attached are the updated screen shots.
 
 One minor point. In the first screen shot the icon with the books
>>and magnifying glass is on the right side of the dialog the first
>>time it appears but is just after the end of the entry field the
>>second time it appears.
 
 It would look a little better if they were in the same relative
>>horizontal position.
 
 --
 Cheers!
 
 Kevin.
 
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>>things that
 https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the
>>mouth-breathers, and
| that's why we're powerful"
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Wayne Stambaugh]

I second this motion.  I didn't find the right click trick so I fell
back to cvpcb which is overkill to change the footprint of a single
symbol.  A tooltip might be useful here as well.

On 7/19/2018 3:19 PM, Diego Herranz wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've started to test these changes and, on the Symbol properties dialog,
> I found it hard to assign a footprint.
> Before, there used to be a button to open the Footprint selector window.
> Now you seem to need right click on the footprint field and "select
> footprint" and that only works if you're not editing the text of that
> field. It took me a while to find out.
> I don't find it straightforward.
> 
> Maybe a double-click on that field should open the Footprint selector?
> Maybe a button like attached? (Mind my poor mock-up)
> Any other suggestions?
> 
> Thanks for all the work on this.
> 
> Diego
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:00 PM Jeff Young  > wrote:
> 
> Changes in.  Could Kevin or Wayne please post the following dialogs
> one more time:
> 
> 1) Change Footprints
> 2) CvPCB (with footprint selected from right column)
> 3) Footprint Properties
> 4) Edit Track & Via Properties
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff.
> 
> > On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:28, Jeff Young  > wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, the “Show” label of the Output Messages checkboxes is
> misplaced too.
> >
> > I’ll have another build along shortly….
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff.
> >
> >
> >> On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:05, Kevin Cozens  > wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2018-07-18 08:32 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >>> Attached are the updated screen shots.
> >>
> >> One minor point. In the first screen shot the icon with the books
> and magnifying glass is on the right side of the dialog the first
> time it appears but is just after the end of the entry field the
> second time it appears.
> >>
> >> It would look a little better if they were in the same relative
> horizontal position.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers!
> >>
> >> Kevin.
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Diego Herranz]

Hi,

I've started to test these changes and, on the Symbol properties dialog, I
found it hard to assign a footprint.
Before, there used to be a button to open the Footprint selector window.
Now you seem to need right click on the footprint field and "select
footprint" and that only works if you're not editing the text of that
field. It took me a while to find out.
I don't find it straightforward.

Maybe a double-click on that field should open the Footprint selector?
Maybe a button like attached? (Mind my poor mock-up)
Any other suggestions?

Thanks for all the work on this.

Diego





On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:00 PM Jeff Young  wrote:

> Changes in.  Could Kevin or Wayne please post the following dialogs one
> more time:
>
> 1) Change Footprints
> 2) CvPCB (with footprint selected from right column)
> 3) Footprint Properties
> 4) Edit Track & Via Properties
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff.
>
> > On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:28, Jeff Young  wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, the “Show” label of the Output Messages checkboxes is misplaced
> too.
> >
> > I’ll have another build along shortly….
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff.
> >
> >
> >> On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:05, Kevin Cozens  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2018-07-18 08:32 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >>> Attached are the updated screen shots.
> >>
> >> One minor point. In the first screen shot the icon with the books and
> magnifying glass is on the right side of the dialog the first time it
> appears but is just after the end of the entry field the second time it
> appears.
> >>
> >> It would look a little better if they were in the same relative
> horizontal position.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers!
> >>
> >> Kevin.
> >>
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> >> https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Jeff Young]

Changes in.  Could Kevin or Wayne please post the following dialogs one more 
time:

1) Change Footprints
2) CvPCB (with footprint selected from right column)
3) Footprint Properties
4) Edit Track & Via Properties

Thanks,
Jeff.

> On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:28, Jeff Young  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, the “Show” label of the Output Messages checkboxes is misplaced too.
> 
> I’ll have another build along shortly….
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
> 
> 
>> On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:05, Kevin Cozens  wrote:
>> 
>> On 2018-07-18 08:32 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>> Attached are the updated screen shots.
>> 
>> One minor point. In the first screen shot the icon with the books and 
>> magnifying glass is on the right side of the dialog the first time it 
>> appears but is just after the end of the entry field the second time it 
>> appears.
>> 
>> It would look a little better if they were in the same relative horizontal 
>> position.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Kevin.
>> 
>> http://www.ve3syb.ca/   | "Nerds make the shiny things that
>> https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and
>>   | that's why we're powerful"
>> Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172  |
>> #include  | --Chris Hardwick
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Jeff Young]

Yeah, the “Show” label of the Output Messages checkboxes is misplaced too.

I’ll have another build along shortly….

Cheers,
Jeff.


> On 18 Jul 2018, at 15:05, Kevin Cozens  wrote:
> 
> On 2018-07-18 08:32 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> Attached are the updated screen shots.
> 
> One minor point. In the first screen shot the icon with the books and 
> magnifying glass is on the right side of the dialog the first time it appears 
> but is just after the end of the entry field the second time it appears.
> 
> It would look a little better if they were in the same relative horizontal 
> position.
> 
> -- 
> Cheers!
> 
> Kevin.
> 
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> https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-07-18 08:32 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

Attached are the updated screen shots.


One minor point. In the first screen shot the icon with the books and 
magnifying glass is on the right side of the dialog the first time it 
appears but is just after the end of the entry field the second time it appears.


It would look a little better if they were in the same relative horizontal 
position.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Jeff Young]

Hi Wayne,

I merged a bunch of spacing changes (only in master for now).

When you have a chance could you screen-shot those same 4 dialogs again?

Thanks,
Jeff.


> On 17 Jul 2018, at 20:48, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
> 
> Hey Jeff,
> 
> The text size is better but there is now dead space above the button
> sizer.  It's different but I'm not sure that is better.  For CvPcb, our
> standard message panel might be a good option so that it separates the
> message information from the button sizer space.  I'm not sure what the
> answer is for a typical dialog.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 7/17/2018 3:34 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>> Hi Wayne,
>> 
>> Can you send a screenshot of CvPCB with status text at the bottom?  I used a 
>> different strategy for setting the text size there which hopefully works 
>> better on Windows.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Jul 2018, at 19:32, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
>>> 
>>> See attached image for windows.
>>> 
>>> There is something very odd going on with some of the dialogs where it
>>> looks like a control is constantly being refreshed as though it is in
>>> some kind of event loop.  Did you make any changes to DIALOG_SHIM that
>>> could cause this?  It is the most noticeable in the schematic plot
>>> dialog page size selection drop down control.
>>> 
>>> All dialogs that have text in the dialog button sizer look terrible on
>>> windows.  The text is way too big and messes up the button sizer.  I try
>>> to avoid using anything but the standard text size in controls.  They
>>> never seem to be consistent between platforms.  I would prefer if you
>>> find a better place for this text.  Maybe a static text control at the
>>> top of dialog or possible the title bar.  See fp-props-dialog.png.
>>> 
>>> There are quite a few dialogs that have incorrect padding in the
>>> standard button sizer.  I'm sure I fixed most (all) of these before we
>>> branched stable 5.  See change-fp-dialog.png.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/17/2018 2:04 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
 As long as they’re coming in in onesies and twosies email is fine.  If
 they start coming in thicker and faster bug reports are probably better.
 
 Can you send me a screenshot of the Edit Spice Model… button?  I assume
 it looks different than on OSX:
 
 
 Cheers,
 Jeff.
 
> On 17 Jul 2018, at 18:52, Wayne Stambaugh  > wrote:
> 
> On 7/17/2018 1:08 PM, jp charras wrote:
>> Le 17/07/2018 à 18:22, Jeff Young a écrit :
>>> Hi JP,
>>> 
>>> I merged another version of the Netclass Membership editor.  Let me
>>> know what you think.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jeff.
>>> 
>> 
>> It is must better now.
>> Thanks.
>> 
> 
> Do you want bugs reported against these changes or are you just looking
> for general feedback?  I found a size and alignment issue with the "Edit
> Spice Model.." button in the symbol editor dialog.  I can file a bug
> report against it if you prefer.
> 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Wayne Stambaugh]

Hey Jeff,

The text size is better but there is now dead space above the button
sizer.  It's different but I'm not sure that is better.  For CvPcb, our
standard message panel might be a good option so that it separates the
message information from the button sizer space.  I'm not sure what the
answer is for a typical dialog.

Wayne

On 7/17/2018 3:34 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> Hi Wayne,
> 
> Can you send a screenshot of CvPCB with status text at the bottom?  I used a 
> different strategy for setting the text size there which hopefully works 
> better on Windows.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff.
> 
> 
>> On 17 Jul 2018, at 19:32, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
>>
>> See attached image for windows.
>>
>> There is something very odd going on with some of the dialogs where it
>> looks like a control is constantly being refreshed as though it is in
>> some kind of event loop.  Did you make any changes to DIALOG_SHIM that
>> could cause this?  It is the most noticeable in the schematic plot
>> dialog page size selection drop down control.
>>
>> All dialogs that have text in the dialog button sizer look terrible on
>> windows.  The text is way too big and messes up the button sizer.  I try
>> to avoid using anything but the standard text size in controls.  They
>> never seem to be consistent between platforms.  I would prefer if you
>> find a better place for this text.  Maybe a static text control at the
>> top of dialog or possible the title bar.  See fp-props-dialog.png.
>>
>> There are quite a few dialogs that have incorrect padding in the
>> standard button sizer.  I'm sure I fixed most (all) of these before we
>> branched stable 5.  See change-fp-dialog.png.
>>
>>
>> On 7/17/2018 2:04 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>> As long as they’re coming in in onesies and twosies email is fine.  If
>>> they start coming in thicker and faster bug reports are probably better.
>>>
>>> Can you send me a screenshot of the Edit Spice Model… button?  I assume
>>> it looks different than on OSX:
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jeff.
>>>
 On 17 Jul 2018, at 18:52, Wayne Stambaugh >>> > wrote:

 On 7/17/2018 1:08 PM, jp charras wrote:
> Le 17/07/2018 à 18:22, Jeff Young a écrit :
>> Hi JP,
>>
>> I merged another version of the Netclass Membership editor.  Let me
>> know what you think.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jeff.
>>
>
> It is must better now.
> Thanks.
>

 Do you want bugs reported against these changes or are you just looking
 for general feedback?  I found a size and alignment issue with the "Edit
 Spice Model.." button in the symbol editor dialog.  I can file a bug
 report against it if you prefer.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Jeff Young]

Hi Wayne,

Can you send a screenshot of CvPCB with status text at the bottom?  I used a 
different strategy for setting the text size there which hopefully works better 
on Windows.

Thanks,
Jeff.


> On 17 Jul 2018, at 19:32, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
> 
> See attached image for windows.
> 
> There is something very odd going on with some of the dialogs where it
> looks like a control is constantly being refreshed as though it is in
> some kind of event loop.  Did you make any changes to DIALOG_SHIM that
> could cause this?  It is the most noticeable in the schematic plot
> dialog page size selection drop down control.
> 
> All dialogs that have text in the dialog button sizer look terrible on
> windows.  The text is way too big and messes up the button sizer.  I try
> to avoid using anything but the standard text size in controls.  They
> never seem to be consistent between platforms.  I would prefer if you
> find a better place for this text.  Maybe a static text control at the
> top of dialog or possible the title bar.  See fp-props-dialog.png.
> 
> There are quite a few dialogs that have incorrect padding in the
> standard button sizer.  I'm sure I fixed most (all) of these before we
> branched stable 5.  See change-fp-dialog.png.
> 
> 
> On 7/17/2018 2:04 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>> As long as they’re coming in in onesies and twosies email is fine.  If
>> they start coming in thicker and faster bug reports are probably better.
>> 
>> Can you send me a screenshot of the Edit Spice Model… button?  I assume
>> it looks different than on OSX:
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Jeff.
>> 
>>> On 17 Jul 2018, at 18:52, Wayne Stambaugh >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 7/17/2018 1:08 PM, jp charras wrote:
 Le 17/07/2018 à 18:22, Jeff Young a écrit :
> Hi JP,
> 
> I merged another version of the Netclass Membership editor.  Let me
> know what you think.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
> 
 
 It is must better now.
 Thanks.
 
>>> 
>>> Do you want bugs reported against these changes or are you just looking
>>> for general feedback?  I found a size and alignment issue with the "Edit
>>> Spice Model.." button in the symbol editor dialog.  I can file a bug
>>> report against it if you prefer.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Wayne Stambaugh]

See attached image for windows.

There is something very odd going on with some of the dialogs where it
looks like a control is constantly being refreshed as though it is in
some kind of event loop.  Did you make any changes to DIALOG_SHIM that
could cause this?  It is the most noticeable in the schematic plot
dialog page size selection drop down control.

All dialogs that have text in the dialog button sizer look terrible on
windows.  The text is way too big and messes up the button sizer.  I try
to avoid using anything but the standard text size in controls.  They
never seem to be consistent between platforms.  I would prefer if you
find a better place for this text.  Maybe a static text control at the
top of dialog or possible the title bar.  See fp-props-dialog.png.

There are quite a few dialogs that have incorrect padding in the
standard button sizer.  I'm sure I fixed most (all) of these before we
branched stable 5.  See change-fp-dialog.png.


On 7/17/2018 2:04 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> As long as they’re coming in in onesies and twosies email is fine.  If
> they start coming in thicker and faster bug reports are probably better.
> 
> Can you send me a screenshot of the Edit Spice Model… button?  I assume
> it looks different than on OSX:
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
> 
>> On 17 Jul 2018, at 18:52, Wayne Stambaugh > > wrote:
>>
>> On 7/17/2018 1:08 PM, jp charras wrote:
>>> Le 17/07/2018 à 18:22, Jeff Young a écrit :
 Hi JP,

 I merged another version of the Netclass Membership editor.  Let me
 know what you think.

 Cheers,
 Jeff.

>>>
>>> It is must better now.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>> Do you want bugs reported against these changes or are you just looking
>> for general feedback?  I found a size and alignment issue with the "Edit
>> Spice Model.." button in the symbol editor dialog.  I can file a bug
>> report against it if you prefer.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Jeff Young]

As long as they’re coming in in onesies and twosies email is fine.  If they 
start coming in thicker and faster bug reports are probably better.

Can you send me a screenshot of the Edit Spice Model… button?  I assume it 
looks different than on OSX:



Cheers,
Jeff.

> On 17 Jul 2018, at 18:52, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
> 
> On 7/17/2018 1:08 PM, jp charras wrote:
>> Le 17/07/2018 à 18:22, Jeff Young a écrit :
>>> Hi JP,
>>> 
>>> I merged another version of the Netclass Membership editor.  Let me know 
>>> what you think.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jeff.
>>> 
>> 
>> It is must better now.
>> Thanks.
>> 
> 
> Do you want bugs reported against these changes or are you just looking
> for general feedback?  I found a size and alignment issue with the "Edit
> Spice Model.." button in the symbol editor dialog.  I can file a bug
> report against it if you prefer.
> 
> Wayne
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[jp charras]

Le 17/07/2018 à 19:08, jp charras a écrit :
> Le 17/07/2018 à 18:22, Jeff Young a écrit :
>> Hi JP,
>>
>> I merged another version of the Netclass Membership editor.  Let me know 
>> what you think.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jeff.
>>
> 
> It is must better now.
much!
> Thanks.
> 


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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Wayne Stambaugh]

On 7/17/2018 1:08 PM, jp charras wrote:
> Le 17/07/2018 à 18:22, Jeff Young a écrit :
>> Hi JP,
>>
>> I merged another version of the Netclass Membership editor.  Let me know 
>> what you think.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jeff.
>>
> 
> It is must better now.
> Thanks.
> 

Do you want bugs reported against these changes or are you just looking
for general feedback?  I found a size and alignment issue with the "Edit
Spice Model.." button in the symbol editor dialog.  I can file a bug
report against it if you prefer.

Wayne

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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[jp charras]

Le 17/07/2018 à 18:22, Jeff Young a écrit :
> Hi JP,
> 
> I merged another version of the Netclass Membership editor.  Let me know what 
> you think.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
> 

It is must better now.
Thanks.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Piotr Esden-Tempski]

There is a proposal document from Jon Evans that would add the ability to have 
more powerful design rule system. It would really be good to keep working on 
that and getting something similarly powerful added to KiCad.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qvCH9aHwCzp5qtKTna4jJXuloNU0b96gAxAHSKPuXpU/edit#heading=h.ykrpi4h5njn
 


It is not only zones that need different rules than others. It can also be per 
layer if your stickup has different copper weights on different layers. Very 
common in high power PCB design, RF or flat rigid flex for that matter.

Cheers,
Piotr


> On Jul 16, 2018, at 2:46 PM, Tomasz Wlostowski  
> wrote:
> 
> On 16/07/18 23:44, hauptmech wrote:
>> Just a friendly reminder that net classes are not a good approach for
>> some of us.
>> 
>> I have never used net classes because they make the assumption that one
>> want's constant trace/space on a net.
>> 
>> Most of my boards these days are using components with BGA or LGA pad
>> spacing tighter than I want to use for the rest of the board.
> 
> I agree with hauptmech, net classes are IMHO just a tiny part in a
> larger picture of new DRC rules. Maybe we should work on a proposal
> before modifying the actual UI code?
> 
> - my 5 cents
> Tom
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Seth Hillbrand]

Right, but that will be beyond the scope of 5.1 as it involves new features.

You can see the proposed v6 ERC/DRC roadmap here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qvCH9aHwCzp5qtKTna4jJXuloNU0b96gAxAHSKPuXpU/edit?usp=sharing

Feel free to suggest where you feel it could be improved.

Am Mo., 16. Juli 2018 um 14:44 Uhr schrieb hauptmech :

> Just a friendly reminder that net classes are not a good approach for
> some of us.
>
> I have never used net classes because they make the assumption that one
> want's constant trace/space on a net.
>
> Most of my boards these days are using components with BGA or LGA pad
> spacing tighter than I want to use for the rest of the board.
>
> I have to keep all the new router features turned off so that I can lay
> down tracks which violate the default netclass (which I keep set at a
> medium trace/space so that my whole board is not laid out with the
> minimum space my manufacturers can do, the alternative to is adjust the
> default space as I go, but I find that I forget to change it back to the
> larger space too often).
>
>
>
> On 17/07/18 04:56, jp charras wrote:
> > Moreover if (or when) netclasses will take in account the layers and the
> netclass management is more
> > powerful, I am guessing this setup will be frequently modified, so it
> deserves a easy and fast access.
>
>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Tomasz Wlostowski]

On 16/07/18 23:44, hauptmech wrote:
> Just a friendly reminder that net classes are not a good approach for
> some of us.
> 
> I have never used net classes because they make the assumption that one
> want's constant trace/space on a net.
> 
> Most of my boards these days are using components with BGA or LGA pad
> spacing tighter than I want to use for the rest of the board.

I agree with hauptmech, net classes are IMHO just a tiny part in a
larger picture of new DRC rules. Maybe we should work on a proposal
before modifying the actual UI code?

- my 5 cents
Tom

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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[hauptmech]

Just a friendly reminder that net classes are not a good approach for 
some of us.


I have never used net classes because they make the assumption that one 
want's constant trace/space on a net.


Most of my boards these days are using components with BGA or LGA pad 
spacing tighter than I want to use for the rest of the board.


I have to keep all the new router features turned off so that I can lay 
down tracks which violate the default netclass (which I keep set at a 
medium trace/space so that my whole board is not laid out with the 
minimum space my manufacturers can do, the alternative to is adjust the 
default space as I go, but I find that I forget to change it back to the 
larger space too often).




On 17/07/18 04:56, jp charras wrote:

Moreover if (or when) netclasses will take in account the layers and the 
netclass management is more
powerful, I am guessing this setup will be frequently modified, so it deserves 
a easy and fast access.



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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[jp charras]

Le 16/07/2018 à 18:25, Jeff Young a écrit :
> Hi JP,
> 
> Thanks for the feedback.
> 
>> On 16 Jul 2018, at 16:05, jp charras  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I just played with a few of your 5.1 changes.
>>
>> Many are good, but the new netclass management is not as efficient as the 
>> current dialog:
>>
>> - Modifying the netclass of a lot of nets is very tedious: the change must 
>> be done for each net
>> (this is the major issue).
> 
> I’d like to see if there’s some other way to handle lots of nets.  The 
> double-list method was 
> very hard to figure out how to use (although admittedly very efficient once 
> you did).
> 
>> - we cannot see easily the list of nets, as the netclass filter was removed.
> 
> Interesting.  I had never used it for that, but I can see how it would be 
> helpful.
> 
>> However the net filter is a good idea.
>>
>> I am also thinking the "Board Setup" menu should be in the main menu bar, 
>> not in the file menu (this
>> is a very important setting, not related to a file management)
> 
> My thinking was it was sort of like Page Setup.  I’m not terribly attached to 
> the File menu, but 
> I'd rather avoid a stumpy menu with just a single item.  Preferences doesn’t 
> fit well either.  Edit 
> or Tools perhaps?

The main toolbar is for me the best choice.
Moreover if (or when) netclasses will take in account the layers and the 
netclass management is more
powerful, I am guessing this setup will be frequently modified, so it deserves 
a easy and fast access.

An other enhancement in this kind of dialog could be to reopen the paged dialog 
to the last opened
page during a session.

> 
> (I changed the subject line so this wouldn’t get drowned in the other 5.1 
> stuff.)
> 
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your work.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jean-Pierre CHARRAS


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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[jp charras]

Le 16/07/2018 à 19:57, Jeff Young a écrit :
> 
> 
>> On 16 Jul 2018, at 17:56, jp charras > > wrote:
>>
>> Le 16/07/2018 à 18:25, Jeff Young a écrit :
>>> Hi JP,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>>
 On 16 Jul 2018, at 16:05, jp charras >>> > wrote:

 Hi Jeff,

 I just played with a few of your 5.1 changes.

 Many are good, but the new netclass management is not as efficient as the 
 current dialog:

 - Modifying the netclass of a lot of nets is very tedious: the change must 
 be done for each net
 (this is the major issue).
>>>
>>> I’d like to see if there’s some other way to handle lots of nets.  The 
>>> double-list method was 
>>> very hard to figure out how to use (although admittedly very efficient once 
>>> you did).
>>>
 - we cannot see easily the list of nets, as the netclass filter was 
 removed.
>>>
>>> Interesting.  I had never used it for that, but I can see how it would be 
>>> helpful.
>>>
 However the net filter is a good idea.

 I am also thinking the "Board Setup" menu should be in the main menu bar, 
 not in the file menu (this
 is a very important setting, not related to a file management)
>>>
>>> My thinking was it was sort of like Page Setup.  I’m not terribly attached 
>>> to the File menu, but 
>>> I'd rather avoid a stumpy menu with just a single item.  Preferences 
>>> doesn’t fit well either.  Edit 
>>> or Tools perhaps?
>>
>> The main toolbar is for me the best choice.
> 
> I can definitely agree with main /tool/bar, but your first message mentioned 
> /menu/bar, so I’m not sure
> which is a typo.

Not really a typo, but "Board Setup..." is a menuitem, so I talked about the 
main menubar
(wxMenuBar) because a wxMenuItem lives is a wxMenuBar.
I am also fine with a tool in the main horizontal toolbar (wxToolBar), as long 
as the acces is very
easy and obvious.

> 
> In any case, the first item in a menu is actually the hardest to pick (with 
> the second being the
> easiest,
> then the third, fourth, etc.).
> 
>> Moreover if (or when) netclasses will take in account the layers and the 
>> netclass management is more
>> powerful, I am guessing this setup will be frequently modified, so it 
>> deserves a easy and fast access.
>>
>> An other enhancement in this kind of dialog could be to reopen the paged 
>> dialog to the last opened
>> page during a session.
> 
> Is this not working?  There’s code in there to do that….

Yes it works.
I don't understand why I was in the impression it was not working.
Sorry.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

[Jeff Young]

> On 16 Jul 2018, at 17:56, jp charras  wrote:
> 
> Le 16/07/2018 à 18:25, Jeff Young a écrit :
>> Hi JP,
>> 
>> Thanks for the feedback.
>> 
>>> On 16 Jul 2018, at 16:05, jp charras  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> 
>>> I just played with a few of your 5.1 changes.
>>> 
>>> Many are good, but the new netclass management is not as efficient as the 
>>> current dialog:
>>> 
>>> - Modifying the netclass of a lot of nets is very tedious: the change must 
>>> be done for each net
>>> (this is the major issue).
>> 
>> I’d like to see if there’s some other way to handle lots of nets.  The 
>> double-list method was 
>> very hard to figure out how to use (although admittedly very efficient once 
>> you did).
>> 
>>> - we cannot see easily the list of nets, as the netclass filter was removed.
>> 
>> Interesting.  I had never used it for that, but I can see how it would be 
>> helpful.
>> 
>>> However the net filter is a good idea.
>>> 
>>> I am also thinking the "Board Setup" menu should be in the main menu bar, 
>>> not in the file menu (this
>>> is a very important setting, not related to a file management)
>> 
>> My thinking was it was sort of like Page Setup.  I’m not terribly attached 
>> to the File menu, but 
>> I'd rather avoid a stumpy menu with just a single item.  Preferences doesn’t 
>> fit well either.  Edit 
>> or Tools perhaps?
> 
> The main toolbar is for me the best choice.

I can definitely agree with main toolbar, but your first message mentioned 
menubar, so I’m not sure
which is a typo.

In any case, the first item in a menu is actually the hardest to pick (with the 
second being the easiest,
then the third, fourth, etc.).

> Moreover if (or when) netclasses will take in account the layers and the 
> netclass management is more
> powerful, I am guessing this setup will be frequently modified, so it 
> deserves a easy and fast access.
> 
> An other enhancement in this kind of dialog could be to reopen the paged 
> dialog to the last opened
> page during a session.

Is this not working?  There’s code in there to do that….

> 
>> 
>> (I changed the subject line so this wouldn’t get drowned in the other 5.1 
>> stuff.)
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your work.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Jean-Pierre CHARRAS
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jean-Pierre CHARRAS
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