[lace] Arthritic hands and picking up bobbins

2012-05-31 Thread Jean Nathan
The problem with the method in the video is that the bobbins are being held 
up in the hands and her fingers are supple. I couldn't do that because my 
hands aren't supple and also would become tired within a few minutes. 
Assuming I could do it at all, I'd have to stop and rest them before I could 
continue. I'd also think it could be quite a painful method for some. I 
tried one project with Bruges style bobbins, but gave them away because I 
couldn't cope with them - I need the spangle to move them.


There are over 90 different types of arthritis - osteo which is bone rubbing 
on bone (usually) from wear and tear on a joint and which most of us get as 
we get older, and the inflammatory types which affect soft tissue such as 
rheumatoid, psoriatic, lupus. People with osteo arthritis often can't 
understand what is so different between what they have and the inflammatory 
types. In my case it's rheumatoid and there's little evidence of it in my 
hands because it's controlled well but it doesn't take much to cause one or 
more finger joints to inflame. That's the reason why I would choose to move 
bobbins by the spangles.


The other reason isn't choice; as I said previously, my fingers don't work 
properly. It seems to be an interruption to the signal between my brain and 
my fingers, probably in the same way that the tingling and pain in carpel 
tunnel syndrome is cause by pressure on the nerve by inflammatory tissue in 
the wrist, the signal to my finger tips doesn't always get there. I can be 
doing some sewing and happily thread needles, then suddenly I can't get the 
thread anywhere near the eye of the needle or into the place I'm aiming at 
on what I'm sewing, and I start dropping the needle, am unable to pickup the 
thread or a pin. Grip goes completely.


My bobbins stay on the pillow even when I'm doing a plait.

I envy those of you who have the dexterity to choose how you work. 
Fortunately most of us can find a way we can manage.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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Re: [lace] Arthritic hands and picking up bobbins

2012-05-31 Thread J D Hammett

Dear Jean and fellow Arachnids,

Firstly I have to say how much I admire Jean for finding ways around her 
problems and still producing beautiful lace.


Secondly, with apologies to cat-lovers, there are many ways to skin a cat. 
There are as many ways of making lace as there are lacemakers. Watch some of 
the really traditional lacemakers carefully and you will begin to see 
differences in the way they hold and/or place their bobbins, place their 
pins, work their patterns, make their sewings etc. Most people find one way 
easier than another and it is a matter of experiment and choice to find what 
works best for you. Don't ever give up because of a problem. I have even 
helped a woman who'd lost both hands in a horrific accident to make lace 
with her artificial hands. Extra large bobbins with spangles, large berry 
pins and simple patterns worked although she did need some help with 
tensioning and very occasionally with pin placement. Bobbin winding was 
beyond her so I did that. Being able to make lace gave her great pleasure.


Happy lacemaking,

Joepie, East Sussex, UK



From: Jean Nathan
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:28 AM
To: Lace
Subject: [lace] Arthritic hands and picking up bobbins

The problem with the method in the video is that the bobbins are being held
up in the hands and her fingers are supple. I couldn't do that because my
hands aren't supple and also would become tired within a few minutes. --
- I need the spangle to move them.



My bobbins stay on the pillow even when I'm doing a plait.

I envy those of you who have the dexterity to choose how you work.
Fortunately most of us can find a way we can manage.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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Re: [lace] Arthritic hands and picking up bobbins

2012-05-31 Thread kazaman44
I sure admire you for persevering in the face of your problems.
Karen in Malta 

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To: Lacelace@arachne.com
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Subject: [lace] Arthritic hands and picking up bobbins

The problem with the method in the video is that the bobbins are being held 
up in the hands and her fingers are supple. I couldn't do that because my 
hands aren't supple and also would become tired within a few minutes. 
Assuming I could do it at all, I'd have to stop and rest them before I could 
continue. I'd also think it could be quite a painful method for some. I 
tried one project with Bruges style bobbins, but gave them away because I 
couldn't cope with them - I need the spangle to move them.

There are over 90 different types of arthritis - osteo which is bone rubbing 
on bone (usually) from wear and tear on a joint and which most of us get as 
we get older, and the inflammatory types which affect soft tissue such as 
rheumatoid, psoriatic, lupus. People with osteo arthritis often can't 
understand what is so different between what they have and the inflammatory 
types. In my case it's rheumatoid and there's little evidence of it in my 
hands because it's controlled well but it doesn't take much to cause one or 
more finger joints to inflame. That's the reason why I would choose to move 
bobbins by the spangles.

The other reason isn't choice; as I said previously, my fingers don't work 
properly. It seems to be an interruption to the signal between my brain and 
my fingers, probably in the same way that the tingling and pain in carpel 
tunnel syndrome is cause by pressure on the nerve by inflammatory tissue in 
the wrist, the signal to my finger tips doesn't always get there. I can be 
doing some sewing and happily thread needles, then suddenly I can't get the 
thread anywhere near the eye of the needle or into the place I'm aiming at 
on what I'm sewing, and I start dropping the needle, am unable to pickup the 
thread or a pin. Grip goes completely.

My bobbins stay on the pillow even when I'm doing a plait.

I envy those of you who have the dexterity to choose how you work. 
Fortunately most of us can find a way we can manage.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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Re: [lace] Arthritic hands and picking up bobbins

2012-05-31 Thread kazaman44
You must have made her very happy. How wonderfully thoughtful.
Karen in Malta 

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Subject: Re: [lace] Arthritic hands and picking up bobbins

Dear Jean and fellow Arachnids,

Firstly I have to say how much I admire Jean for finding ways around her 
problems and still producing beautiful lace.

Secondly, with apologies to cat-lovers, there are many ways to skin a cat. 
There are as many ways of making lace as there are lacemakers. Watch some of 
the really traditional lacemakers carefully and you will begin to see 
differences in the way they hold and/or place their bobbins, place their 
pins, work their patterns, make their sewings etc. Most people find one way 
easier than another and it is a matter of experiment and choice to find what 
works best for you. Don't ever give up because of a problem. I have even 
helped a woman who'd lost both hands in a horrific accident to make lace 
with her artificial hands. Extra large bobbins with spangles, large berry 
pins and simple patterns worked although she did need some help with 
tensioning and very occasionally with pin placement. Bobbin winding was 
beyond her so I did that. Being able to make lace gave her great pleasure.

Happy lacemaking,

Joepie, East Sussex, UK



From: Jean Nathan
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:28 AM
To: Lace
Subject: [lace] Arthritic hands and picking up bobbins

The problem with the method in the video is that the bobbins are being held
up in the hands and her fingers are supple. I couldn't do that because my
hands aren't supple and also would become tired within a few minutes. --
- I need the spangle to move them.



My bobbins stay on the pillow even when I'm doing a plait.

I envy those of you who have the dexterity to choose how you work.
Fortunately most of us can find a way we can manage.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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Re: [lace] Arthritic hands and picking up bobbins

2012-05-31 Thread lynrbailey
Dear Jean et al,
What can I say, Jean, except that sounds like a particularly frustrating 
situation.  As one with no cartilage in one joint of both thumbs per x-rays, I 
look for other methods so I'm ready when the time comes.  Sometimes my thumbs 
hurt, and then, pardon for the graphic nature, I just pull my thumb out, so the 
bits don't rub, and I'm fine.  It's amazing, but it beats surgery and 
immobility for 6 weeks.  It might help some. 

This discussion arose some time ago, and I mentioned then seeing the owner of 
the lace shop in Linkoping stand up and work palms down on a Swedish pillow, 
which is a cookie/roller pillow, using Swedish bobbins, which have a big bulb 
at the end, and are fairly short.  But her thumbs were not involved.  That 
might not help everyone, but it might help some.  There are at least 2 videos 
on youtube which show Swedish lacemaking.  The first one is fairly clear, and 
the woman clearly uses her thumbs sometimes, but frequently she doesn't, and 
this method could be adapted for a totally thumbs free method.  The second 
video is longer, silent, follows the first, and it does show some Swedish 
lacemakers, after some pictures of Vadstena, and some of them do not seem to 
use their thumbs ever, although it is not nearly as close up as the first 
video.  But when it's a choice of a new method, or no lacemaking, this might 
provide a solution, or at least ideas, for some. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenv=xDTwiX9r_rwNR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSkTeGH1Ap8feature=autoplaylist=PL10B637A36966DA60playnext=2


Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where it is going to be a lovely day, and 
we've been married 43 years today.  
Jean wrote
The problem with the method in the video [ 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenv=xDTwiX9r_rwNR=1 ]is that the 
bobbins are being held 
up in the hands and her fingers are supple. I couldn't do that because my 
hands aren't supple and also would become tired within a few minutes. 
Assuming I could do it at all, I'd have to stop and rest them before I could 
continue. I'd also think it could be quite a painful method for some. I 
tried one project with Bruges style bobbins, but gave them away because I 
couldn't cope with them - I need the spangle to move them.



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[lace] removing stains

2012-05-31 Thread hottleco
Hello All!  As you may recall, I have many textile-related interests.  To that 
end, I belong to ANG (American Needlepoint Guild)  this morning there was a 
small reference to a US-made product that is touted to remove all manner of 
stains.  It is called Restoration  made by Engleside Products (Lancaster, 
PA).  It was reviewed on the 'Melita stitches 4 fun' blogsite--with photos of 
successfully removed stains on folded linen--from her contact Judy.  I have NOT 
used the product, so I'm simply forwarding the info for discussion!  After 
checking the Arachne Archives (!!--Yes I found them Jeri-- by golly they 
work!), I see that the last discussion of this product was in 2009.  So the big 
question is--has anyone tried it or pursued the ingredients list?  Any comments 
from our museum experts?  Apparently it is available directly from PA or on 
Amazon.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA

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[lace] Re: Thin Bobbins - There Is Never Enough Room

2012-05-31 Thread Susan Reishus
I made bobbins with bamboo skewers and beads, but I found after I had wound a
few, that the wood was not very smooth and snagged the thread. It had felt
okay in my hand but not in use.


Knitters who use bamboo skewers for
knitting (socks for instance), smooth them with fine sandpaper or a nail
buffer, and then rub them with waxed paper or bees wax.  The latter may not be
desirable for the thread portion of the bobbin, but perhaps is helpful info. 
You could also consider treating them with a non-acid finish (within the
concept of shellac or evolved synthetics), just dipping them and allowing them
to dry.  Of course bamboo skewer quality varies as with anything.  Possibly a
gourmet cooking shop may have tighter grained skewers than the dollar store.
If you are really into this, why not consider buying bamboo double pointed
knitting needles from eBay.  They come in 5, 6, 7 or 8 lengths and cost a bit
more but you may be surprised at the prices.  These have been finished for
knitting, so may be worth the savings in time and frustration.  Most you can
reach the distributor directly, and they may consider selling them wholesale
if you buy quantities.


Best,
Susan Reishus 

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[lace] Re: Arthritic Hands and Picking Up Bobbins

2012-05-31 Thread Susan Reishus
The other reason isn't choice; as I said previously, my fingers don't work
properly. It seems to be an interruption to the signal between my brain and
my fingers, probably in the same way that the tingling and pain in carpel
tunnel syndrome is cause by pressure on the nerve by inflammatory tissue in
the wrist, the signal to my finger tips doesn't always get there. I can be
doing some sewing and happily thread needles, then suddenly I can't get the
thread anywhere near the eye of the needle or into the place I'm aiming at 
on
what I'm sewing, and I start dropping the needle, am unable to pickup the
thread or a pin. Grip goes completely.  Jean


It sounds like neuropathy,
which typically stems from compression in the cervical spine and can be caused
by or accrue with sitting a certain way (like leaning over a bobbin lace
pillow).  It increases pain in the arms and esp. hands, and there are synapses
where you think you have a hold on something and suddenly you drop it,
thinking your grip has been constant.

There are things to counter it, so I
would check with your doctor.  It can range from vertebrae being out of place,
to disc compression.  There are things you can do to counter and even remedy
some, most or for some, all of it.  Traction, spinal adjustment,
physical/occupational therapy, strengthening the muscles in the neck,
supplements, change in diet, and so much more.  Even a finding your perfect
pillow/s can really improve things.

Anything to help us be able to lace and
cure or limit pain and further damage.


HTH,
Susan Reishus 

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[lace] Arthritic hands and Picking Up Bobbins

2012-05-31 Thread Jean Nathan
No Susan, it isn't neuropathy associated with the cervical spine - my 
rheumatologist has confirmed that it seems to be an interruption to the 
signal between my brain and fingers and is not uncommon. I don't get pain, 
just loss of control, unlike when I had carpal tunnel syndrome which was 
caused by the accumulation of inflammatory tissue around the nerve passing 
through the wrist and was extremely painful until the offending tissue was 
cut out. As you would expect of an efficient investigative team, I've had 
nerve conduction tests as well as X-Rays of my neck and spine. I also have 
tests on the level of feeling in my finger tips each time I have my regular 
rheumatology checks among many other examinations.


My problems are small compared with some of you, and the solution is 
simple - moving bobbins by the spangles and patience because I'm slow as a 
result.


I would be interested to hear what other problems people have (not only 
arthritis) and how they've overcome them so they can make lace, or if they 
have a problem that they can't seem to find a solution for. We're all 
different and what works for one person won't work for another with the same 
problem, for instance (not lace related) I can only use the circular rocker 
type of ring pull puller, not the fork lever style.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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[lace] Queen's Diamond Jubilee

2012-05-31 Thread Jean Nathan
Just ordered the beautiful Archer Jubilee commemorative bobbin. It's 
expensive, but looks rather lovely. Only downside is that it's popular and 
there's a wait of about 12 weeks for it.


It's shown in his on-line catalogue:

http://www.ararcherltd.co.uk/?page_id=13

Don't think I've got any bobbins by him, but couldn't resist this one.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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Re: [lace] Queen's Diamond Jubilee

2012-05-31 Thread Sue Babbs
Oh wow! That is spectacular!! 




Sue

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[lace] Fw: I have been spamed

2012-05-31 Thread Andy Blodgett
Hello all,
 I have been spammed.  Do not open anything from me with the subject
matter Hi.  It gets into your computer and sends the same message to
everyone on your contact list.  If this does happen to you, you need to change
your password to access your internet messages.  Hopefully this will stop the
problem. 

Andy
 Blodgett

Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
sideways, chocolate in one hand and wine in the other, body thoroughly used
up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO
 what a ride!

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RE: [lace] Arthritic hands and Picking Up Bobbins

2012-05-31 Thread Angel Skubic
Jean, 
I have nerve damage in my left hand...symptom's similar to carpel tunnel but
not fixable. I just accept slow is the way it is and continue doing
bucks-point and knitted lace, clumsily but carefully. Now complicated with a
broken right wrist (radial bone at joint) and nerve damage in my right
thumb...not sure yet what happened there but it was bundled with the arm
break. You just refuse to let it stop you and keep on lacing!! My doc says
to keep on with the needle-work. His nurse practitioner would have me stop
all use of my right hand. My doc knows me better than her. I could no sooner
stop needlework than I could stop breathing.

Cearbhael

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Subject: [lace] Arthritic hands and Picking Up Bobbins

No Susan, it isn't neuropathy associated with the cervical spine - my 
rheumatologist has confirmed that it seems to be an interruption to the 
signal between my brain and fingers and is not uncommon. 

the solution is simple - moving bobbins by the spangles and patience because
I'm slow as a result.

I would be interested to hear what other problems people have 

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 

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Re: [lace] Arthritic hands and Picking Up Bobbins

2012-05-31 Thread Sharon Palmer
I would be interested to hear what other problems people have (not 
only arthritis) and how they've overcome them so they can make lace,


I have severe osteoarthritis.  Not twinges now and then but started 
having trouble when I was 30, have been in a wheelchair for the last 
ten years and may have to get an electric chair because my hands hurt 
too much to push the manual chair.   Twenty years ago, I learned 
bobbin lace when I couldn't hold an embroidery needle any more.


I really like square bobbins, they seem easier to hold
http://www.vansciverbobbinlace.com/B_LargeSquare_Guatambu.gif

Sharon

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[lace] LOKK necklace pattern

2012-05-31 Thread hottleco
Hello All!  The last time I mentioned this subject, several of you agreed that 
it was a clever idea  something you wanted to try.  Have you?  If so, were you 
successful or did problems sprout like weeds after a rain storm?  Let's just 
say there's been some gnashing of teeth over the past few days as I've tried to 
finish enough length to make a decent necklace.  I'm going to blame it on 
operator error but would sure like to know how/why/where I went astray.  Is the 
designer a member of Arachne  would he/she give some additional guidance?  I 
was really into the concept, loved the threads  it looked great until I took 
it off the pillow to find a gaping chasm for almost the entire length.  Clearly 
I didn't tension properly??  Or use enough bobbins??.  To save the project, I 
wove in additional threads with a tapestry needle but the effect is less than 
stellar.  The recommended threads were not available so I used substitutes 
selected from Brenda's book, 15 passive pairs plus O!
 liver Twist variegated cotton for the weaver.  Working in sets of 5, I 
tensioned after each set, then retensioned when setting the pin  pulling the 
right pair to the left.  Pins were pushed in after 2 pins were worked.  Since I 
don't have a block pillow, I moved the lace/cord  ended up with a nodule at 
that point.  So--if anyone can help, your advice is welcome!  Sincerely, Susan 
Hottle, bummed out in Erie, PA USA   

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Re: [lace] Queen's Diamond Jubilee Bone Bobbin

2012-05-31 Thread Susie Rose
Hello to One and All!
 
The beautiful bobbin is on page 14 of the catalog.  I
would love to have 1!  SIGH

Hugs,
 
Susie Rose   

My Etsy store: 
http://www.susierosedesigns.etsy.com 
My Blujay store: 
http://SusieRose.blujay.com
Mom for Death by Socks:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DeathbySocks/
Mom for UFO 12 for 12:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UFO12for12/ 



From: Jean Nathan j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.uk
To: Lace lace@arachne.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:09 PM
Subject: [lace] Queen's Diamond Jubilee
Just ordered the beautiful Archer Jubilee commemorative bobbin. It's
expensive, but looks rather lovely. Only downside is that it's popular and
there's a wait of about 12 weeks for it.

It's shown in his on-line catalogue:
http://www.ararcherltd.co.uk/?page_id=13

Don't think I've got any bobbins by
him, but couldn't resist this one.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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[lace] LOKK necklace pattern

2012-05-31 Thread Lorelei Halley
Susan
Post a photo of what you have.  When we see it we can make suggestions.
Lorelei

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[lace] arthritic hands and lace making

2012-05-31 Thread Liz and Ken Roberts
I have fibromyalgia and arthritis. I have been told I also have carpal 
tunnel syndrome, but it isn't as bothersome as the other two. I usually 
try to pace myself and not push too hard at anything. Weather changes 
can throw me for a loop because I will start hurting for no apparent 
reason. Very frustrating! I try to not work on lace for more than a 
couple of hours at a time to avoid problems. I also have poor vision 
(even with glasses) so I haven't tried working with very fine thread. I 
have a good magnifier, but it isn't as easy to see the whole picture 
when looking through the distortion. I have cataracts that aren't ripe 
enough to be removed, as well as astigmatism and near sightedness.


Liz in Missouri, USA where we finally got some much needed rain and 
cooler weather. 


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[lace] Re: Arthritic Hands and Picking Up Bobbins

2012-05-31 Thread Susan Reishus
it isn't neuropathy associated with the cervical spine - my 
rheumatologist
has confirmed that it seems to be an interruption to the 
signal between my
brain and fingers

All the nerves from the brain run through the cervical
spine, and when there is interruption there, it causes the neuropathy.  Here,
some do a needle EMG to diagnose the challenge and degree.  It is a tricky
thing as you think it is fine and then drop things.  Symptoms vary with the
area where the constriction is, as they all run through the Atlas, and then 
fan off from there to different areas, via each vertebrae.  My guess would
be that you have constriction in the area of C5-6.  At least know that there
are things that can be done to at least control and often improve it. 
Sometimes MD's or neurologists aren't as helpful as others that they can refer
you to.  They often diagnose but aren't proactive in getting you to people who
can improve it.  It is frustrating, but not terribly painful (though other
areas can be).  If you accept it that is fine, but it tends to degenerate
without attention and modalities to control or improve it, which
 are possible.


Best,
Susan Reishus

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[lace] Video with Brief Feature of Alencon Lace

2012-05-31 Thread Susan Reishus
This video is for tourism to Normandy, but I thought you might enjoy not only 
it, but esp. the brief visual of Alencon lace toward the last section of the 
video.
Of course you can stop it to study it more:


http://us.mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=8njo5fge5ahtu

Best,
Susan Reishus

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[lace] Re: Thin Bobbins - There Is Never Enough Room

2012-05-31 Thread robinlace
 Susan Reishus elationrelat...@yahoo.com wrote: 
Possibly a gourmet cooking shop may have tighter grained skewers than the 
dollar store.  If you are really into this, why not consider buying bamboo 
double pointed knitting needles from eBay.  They come in 5, 6, 7 or 8 lengths 
and cost a bit more but you may be surprised at the prices.  These have been 
finished for knitting, so may be worth the savings in time and 
frustration.-  

Double-pointed knitting needles in fine sizes makes sense.  But why not go for 
wood ones instead of bamboo?  Then there's no worry about the fibers that 
bamboo can give off.  Double-points generally come in 5 (12.5 cm), 6 (15 cm), 
and 8 (20 cm).  The long ones could be cut in half for 2 short-ish bobbins so 
they would be less expensive than the shorter ones.

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
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