[lace] teaching children
Hi all, Just been catching up on the thread of recent digests and came across Joke Lyn's messages regarding teaching children. Lyn wrote: I apologize, but your posting struck me the wrong way. I'm sitting here with tears of laughter running down my face, thinking, Rats, my extensive criminal convictions will not let me teach lace to children... I know it's serious, and probably expensive, but really, lacemakers going to schools to prey on young children? The thought is such an absurdity. I suppose there could be a predator out there, lurking amongst us Lacemakers Joke wrote: It would be lovely if children could have an afternoon to get to know lacemaking.. For 12-14 years I voluntarily ran a lace club in the lunch hour at what was then the local middle school [children aged 9-13] where I taught both girls and boys to make lace. Living in a relatively rural area it had to be during lunch because after school clubs were difficult for the majority of children who had to be bussed to and from school each day. The class was always full [14 max] with a lengthy waiting list of youngsters wanting to have a go at making lace, often inspired by the annual exhibition the group put on to coincide with parents days. Some lasted for a few weeks before deciding it wasn't for them others stayed on until they changed school, one is now my groups membership sec. All went well until the school had a new headmaster who thought it a waste of time and spent a year making life very difficult... so that class moved to my home along with the class I'd already set up for the older children going to high school. But gradually numbers dwindled and life was made even more difficult because of all the scandals of child abuse that were coming to the fore and CRB checking was introduced and became compulsory . this was when I bowed out of teaching children, not because I wouldn't pass through the CRB checks I hasten to add, but because the cost of it was prohibitive. And yes Lyn I do see the funny side of what you wrote. Another problem that we now face in my area at least, is the lack of lacemakers who are able and willing to teach. Over the past couple of years when I've been out giving a talk/exhibiting within the county I've been asked where folk can go to learn, but classes are non-existent in many parts of the county, so cutting a long story short this has resulted in a new class of adult beginners [not all retired] and a bit of a trek for me, so far it's going well, though I do have to watch out for herds of deer suddenly leaping out from the hedgerows across the road when I drive back home in the dark, it's happened each week so far. Clearly this particular narrow lane crosses their regular route, but it's the only way home for me, but I have to say that one particular stag is quite an impressive animal and I do so enjoy seeing them, fingers crossed they won't one day actually land on my car. Never imagined that lacemaking could be so fraught with danger!!! Nicky in a gloriously sunny Suffolk so wonderful to see some sunshine at long long last. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Seventeenth-Century Women's Dress Patterns - Book Two
Dear all, while I take on board Kim's frustration about the lace patterns, or lack of, don't forget these books are entitled *dress* patterns not lace patterns. Presumably the writers are pattern cutting experts and they are aimed at people interested in reconstructing the clothes not the lace. And as demonstrated, the author(s) don't have the lace knowledge themselves and would have had to bring in an expert to write that section. It is the icing on the cake that in the process they have found these Xray snippets of lace for our titillation. However due to the work of Rosemary, Gil Dye, Kim, Tamara and others, lacemakers now have the information available to be able to reproduce this lace accurately. If there was a lengthy side discourse in this book about the correct way to make the lace shown, then those people who had bought the book for its stated information might have been complaining loudly about what they considered wasted space. Jacquie in Lincolnshire. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
Dear Lyn, You gave me an excellent idea. I could use some slave labour to be able to enter the 5 meter club :) Just kidding! It is sad they had to enforce these rules. Joke On 8 Jul 2013, at 23:20, lynrbai...@desupernet.net wrote: Dear Joke, I apologize, but your posting struck me the wrong way. I'm sitting here with tears of laughter running down my face, thinking, Rats, my extensive criminal convictions will not let me teach lace to children... I know it's serious, and probably expensive, but really, lacemakers going to schools to prey on young children? The thought is such an absurdity. I suppose there could be a predator out there, lurking amongst us lacemakers, but Please enjoy the joke with me. Lyn from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, who had the charges for failing to show her automobile insurance to the cop withdrawn today. Honestly. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
Hi All Been watching this thread with interest. I am enhanced CRB checked and do hold a current certificate however here in the UK it would only cover me for being a School Crossing Patrol! If I wanted to go into school to 'teach' then I should be CRB checked for that... if I wanted to work with 'vulnerable adults' in other centres again another CRB check would have to be made. Trusteeship of a group registered with the Charities Commission would need another CRB clearance All of which must be paid for by an organisation, and the paperwork can take up to 6 months!! This situation is rather ludicrous, as each of the above checks would be made by the SAME County Council!!! Now where is the sense in that?? IMHO it's a great way of raising extra money! Also, if someone is 'retired' or self-employed, there is NO WAY that they can get their employer to pay for a CRB clearance doesn't enter into the scheme! In other words, whereas I could potentially go into the community to teach lace because I'm 'employed' , someone else who is retired couldn't, unless they could 'persuade' the relevant school or whatever, to pay £60 UKP EACH TIME!!! Separate ones for separate schools/centres etc this is probably why it just ain't gonna happen here in the UK!! Down off soapbox Sue in East Yorkshrie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace Maths
Can't help but think of one of the books on the history of lace. the children could make lace but they couldn't read, write except for maybe their own name, name the current monarch, etc They never learned maths, english, history, current affairs, etc Did it stop them making lace?? I think not! Sue in East Yorks - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Skills to tout to get them to let you teach lace to children recap
Dear Lyn I must admit that I have enjoyed this discussion, seems to have made people think, including me. I haven't, in the past, actually associated lacemaking with maths but am having to rethink. Your points below are very good.And I loved the comment in one of your emails about your 'extensive criminal convictions' exclude you from teaching children. I spent most of my working life in a legal office, the first solicitor I worked for was also 'Clerk to the Justices' and in those days, I had to go into a court of law of type up the 'witness statements' as they were made in court. Focussed the mind on getting the typing correct and a massive learning curve. Perhaps I have to join you in being excluded from teaching children Now back to the lace subject, it is too late as I have already taught several girl guiders lacemaking, as well as three grandchildren, including one who is not yet 4 years old as well as two 'step daughters'. These five are all eagerly awaiting the summer holidays so they can do some more. Your comments below are very accurate.I think that a lot of lacemakers just get on with learning to do lace as well as we can, teach it to whoever we can 'persuade' to learn it and not analyse what we are doing. 'These are the articulable skills mentioned in this discussion. More are welcome, but this is what we have, so far: eye hand coordination small motor skills concentration following directions, oral and written problem solving analytical thinking logic This is an impressive array, and does not include those special situations for the difficult boy, and uses in special ed, for autism and possibly Asperger's. Some schools, of course, will never be receptive, but some will, the smaller schools where everyone knows you, be it private or public or parochial.' I also have an autistic grandson, but he is not, so far, interested in learning lace although his twin brother has expressed interest but has yet to try it. Maureen E Yorks UK - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Teaching children
I so agree Sue. Look at the cases in recent years where 'abusers' have had the necessary CRB checks and passed just because they 'lied' or something. I also believe it is basically a money making exercise. Retired people have the time and energy to go and teach lacemaking to children in schools. Maureen E Yorks UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] when and where to teach children lace
Hi Anna et al, Talking about the library, I found a couple of students by just taking my lace into the Library, and making lace on several occasions. The library was keen to have me working there, saying that it was no different to students working away on their studies, but people were interested, and a gained three children for the children's classes, and two adults for 'one-to-one' tuition, so it was well-worth lugging pillows etc to the Library in the town. So - whatever we can do to promote lace-making, go for it!! Carol - in North Norfolk, UK. 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - Original Message - From: Anna Binnie l...@binnie.id.au .Subject: [lace] when and where to teach children lace Hi all Ive enjoyed the conversation here are a few hints learnt from experience If you want to teach lacemaking but your local school is not open to it, try the local library... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Seventeenth-Century Women's Dress Patterns - Book Two
Dear Jacquie et al, I wonder if that information was edited out of the book, but still exists. Does anyone have an 'in' with the editors to find out? Both books have exactly the same number of pages, which could be indicative of the need to edit the second volume. Jacquie wrote: Presumably the writers are pattern cutting experts and they are aimed at people interested in reconstructing the clothes not the lace. And as demonstrated, the author(s) don't have the lace knowledge themselves and would have had to bring in an expert to write that section. If there was a lengthy side discourse in this book about the correct way to make the lace shown, then those people who had bought the book for its stated information might have been complaining loudly about what they considered wasted space. My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Background checks for lace teachers in the US--cost
Dear residents of the US, Background checks for those who work with children are an unfortunate but necessary fact of life. They are needed not only for schools, but also for those in churches working with children. Several of those Across The Pond have mentioned the prohibitive price of one of these things. DH is a recently retired pastor from the United Methodist Church, so I asked him how much it costs for one of these background checks in Pennsylvania. He thinks it was $40, $20 for the criminal check, and $20 for the Childline check. More than the price of a cup of coffee, for sure, but not usually prohibitive. Less than the price of some really good lace books. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where it will be cooler again today, highs perhaps 84F 26C, which means a slightly smaller chance of a thunderstorm. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
Well, Sue, you've got an MP. WRITE! Let's have a Youtube when this question is asked in Parliament. A UNIFIED BACKGROUND CHECK FOR LACE TEACHERS!! Once and done, 5 pounds for an update every 3 years. Otherwise lacemaking will go the way of the dodo in 30 years. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where the background checks are portable, says DH. Only need one. -Original Message- From: Sue Duckles s...@duckles.co.uk Sent: Jul 9, 2013 4:32 AM To: Arachne lace@arachne.com lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Teaching children Hi All Been watching this thread with interest. I am enhanced CRB checked and do hold a current certificate however here in the UK it would only cover me for being a School Crossing Patrol! If I wanted to go into school to 'teach' then I should be CRB checked for that... if I wanted to work with 'vulnerable adults' in other centres again another CRB check would have to be made. Trusteeship of a group registered with the Charities Commission would need another CRB clearance All of which must be paid for by an organisation, and the paperwork can take up to 6 months!! This situation is rather ludicrous, as each of the above checks would be made by the SAME County Council!!! Now where is the sense in that?? IMHO it's a great way of raising extra money! Also, if someone is 'retired' or self-employed, there is NO WAY that they can get their employer to pay for a CRB clearance doesn't enter into the scheme! In other words, whereas I could potentially go into the community to teach lace because I'm 'employed' , someone else who is retired couldn't, unless they could 'persuade' the relevant school or whatever, to pay £60 UKP EACH TIME!!! Separate ones for separate schools/centres etc this is probably why it just ain't gonna happen here in the UK!! Down off soapbox Sue in East Yorkshrie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Carnival of the Animals
Elizabeth and all, the photo isn't good enough to enlarge as big as possible to see all those elements for being able to say they are hand- or machine made. But the different things, in my opinion weren't together from beginning on. They look as if they were from different times. That could be a sign that the piece was made in 19th century. Or later and perhaps in Asia. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Skills to tout to get them to let you teach lace to children recap
Dear Maureen, Thank you for your comment. I think it is part of a larger picture, of who is attracted to lacemaking. I have long thought that lacemakers are a cut above the herd when it comes to intellectual thought. Talking to a lacemaker is not necessarily the same as talking to just anyone. Just look at this group. We think. We ponder. We problem solve. Otherwise you can't make lace. And I think we come to this craft/art with these skills at least nascent. Our brains have the ability and we have the desire to stretch intellectually. Try new kinds of lace, make a more difficult piece. Otherwise we'd do cross stitch and plain knitting. There, now I'm off my soapbox. lrb Maureen wrote: I must admit that I have enjoyed this discussion, seems to have made people think, including me. I haven't, in the past, actually associated lacemaking with maths but am having to rethink. Your points below are very good. Now back to the lace subject, it is too late as I have already taught several girl guiders lacemaking, as well as three grandchildren, including one who is not yet 4 years old as well as two 'step daughters'. These five are all eagerly awaiting the summer holidays so they can do some more. Your comments below are very accurate.I think that a lot of lacemakers just get on with learning to do lace as well as we can, teach it to whoever we can 'persuade' to learn it and not analyse what we are doing. My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace Maths
Dear Elizabeth, et al, I get my brains from my father's side, who originally was Flemish, but, being Mennonite, they left Flanders about the same time lace arrived. They were farmers, and good farmers, but never anything else that we know of, until my father's generation. Daddy grew up in southwest Minnesota, which was a desert of intellectual stimulation. Daddy didn't work farm after he hurt his back at the age of 20, so he went to college, as it was free and the town doctor suggested it. Became a thermonuclear physicist. Otherwise he'd have remained a farmer. One should never underestimate those in former generations who were 'just' farmers, or lacemakers, or mothers, or peasant types of any sort. Who never went far in school, like my father's father with a third grad education who could add 4 columns in his head. Given the right soil, those seeds can blossom in all kinds of ways. It's like the legal secretaries of my mother's generation (born 1912) who today would be the barristers and solicitors. There are a lot of reasons why one does not enter the professions, including expectations and circumstances which do not necessarily include intellectual ability. So one thinks one cannot do it, when that's not necessarily so. Elizabeth, I bet if we actually met, I could convince you that you know and use more non-number mathematical skills than you think you have. You just don't use those terms. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where I've been typing for 2 hours and it's time for breakfast. Elizabeth wrote: I'm with you, Maureen. I was never good at maths - I'm still not!! But I Can make lace!!! If you look back at History, (and I am not too bad with that subject!!) Very few people went to school,. They could add and subtract, probably, very well, as they were skills needed for every day living, but further maths was never on the horizon, even. Most worked with their hands - lacemakers among them, but they were very creative, and solved problems amazingly well - otherwise we would still be making Le Pompe sort of lace, - not the complex laces we create (or try to!) today. I think having formal maths etc is really not much of a help. Those of us not good at maths can still make beaut lace, - and solve any problems that present themselves. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Sight reading and memory
Liz-- Thanks so much for your input on Arachne. You have explained a lot about my tricky memory. When I sight read music I know exactly where the muscles of my voice should be and silently make the sounds (hope that makes sense). When I have to memorize words, or remember names, I don't have anything to hold onto, like muscle movements of throat or fingers, so I can't seem to remember them. Lace patterns--rose ground, for instance--seem to relate in my mind to the action of placing the pins, and if I don't stick to the same order of the motions I tend to get mixed up. That seems to relate to the combination of eyes and hand motions. And back to sight reading music, the same process seems to be the case in being able to follow diagrams but not word-written directions. So thanks for explaining the mystery of my memory. Had I known all this in first grade, arithmetic might have made sense to what is basically a mathematically inclined mind. I can now rest easy in my 84th year, realizing that it is not a failing condition of my brain but a well explained way of learning. Tess - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Background checks for lace teachers in the US--cost
CRB checks are not only for teaching children. When I was teaching at a local seniors centre I had to have one done. Luckily they paid for it, so I really don't know how much it costs. Malvary in Ottawa where it isn't too hot today (so far). - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Background checks for lace teachers in the US--cost
The stupidity about CRB checks in England is that I cannot get one, because I am self-employed. I contacted the authorities, and was told that I could have an enhanced security check instead, but .. as I am self-employed I cannot have that either. How silly can it be. As Sue Duckles said here before, it is a very good money-spinner for a particular company which shall remain nameless here. Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK Subject: Re: [lace] Background checks for lace teachers in the US--cost CRB checks are not only for teaching children. When I was teaching at a local seniors centre I had to have one done. Luckily they paid for it, so I really don't know how much it costs. Malvary in Ottawa where it isn't too hot today (so far). - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Background checks for lace teachers in the US--cost
when my children were in school, i am not sure background and other checks were made but mostly the proof was in the pudding and i was blessed that my children were able to get a very good education in a smaller school system. it allowed for more personalization than i believe teachers today are allowed. With this discussion, i am also glad that an opinion such as slotting students into groups by instructor personal evaluation (even if taught) would allow the child to grow that my children had the opportunity for. the instructors for my children worked with us parents as we did with them for the benefit of the child. they were given the opportunity to blossom in their own way rather than be slotted and directed in only a limited direction for preconceived notions that only math talented people were equipped to do certain things. have we reverted to the dark ages of learning/teaching? i am glad i can delete this thread because it is tiresome and is just showing that we too have limited our own creativity by not just learning but deciding what future lacemakers require. ugh. glad my group is so talented we are all able to learn from others without having to be a mathematician. hopefully others out there are given the freedom to grow without judgment. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Agnes Boddington ag...@weatherwax.karoo.co.uk wrote: The stupidity about CRB checks in England is that I cannot get one, because I am self-employed. I contacted the authorities, and was told that I could have an enhanced security check instead, but .. as I am self-employed I cannot have that either. How silly can it be. As Sue Duckles said here before, it is a very good money-spinner for a particular company which shall remain nameless here. Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK Subject: Re: [lace] Background checks for lace teachers in the US--cost CRB checks are not only for teaching children. When I was teaching at a local seniors centre I had to have one done. Luckily they paid for it, so I really don't know how much it costs. Malvary in Ottawa where it isn't too hot today (so far). - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ -- Hugs, Lin and the Mali If we concentrated on the really important stuff in life, there'd be a shortage of fishing poles. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace and math, was Teaching children
Dear friends, Have you tried showing a left-hander a technique in the mirror. It works for some though not for all. Sometimes it's easiest just to sit opposite and let the other person mirror your image. David in Ballarat, AUS - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace and maths
Dear Nancy, Because of these two observations, I've always thought that people who are good at bobbin lace would make good software engineers, whether they know it or not, and whether they are good at arithmetic or not. This is the other way around from some of the observations that have been made, but related I think. Whilst I have always been a natural mathematician, it was when I did the super-dooper psychiatric tests in the army and they made me an interpreter that I was told it's not just maths that I'm good at, it's the part of the brain that deals with code-breaking! And that includes all those things such as: mathematics; reading and creating music; languages; Braille; typing, and not doubt many more. Just food for thought David in Ballarat, AUS - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Math vs arithmetic
Dear Liz, I was once asked why I could sight read a piece of music but couldn't remember it to play from memory and I said I didn't know. However my music teacher said that it was probably because I matched the pattern of the notes on the stave to a memory of how my hands felt when I played. Whereas a person playing from memory matched the memory to the how their hands felt. You're the ONLY other person I've ever heard of who does this. I'm exactly the same. It makes for a wonderful choral accompanist or orchestral repetiteur, but never a concert pianist!!! David in Ballarat, AUS - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Admin: Trimming posts and background checks
Dear spiders, Lately I've been sending out a lot of private reminders to please trim posts. This is a public reminder to include only relevant bits from the posting you are quoting. If you paraphrase the email, you may not even need to include much more than a line or two. This is mainly for the digest subscribers, who get very frustrated when they receive several digests a day, each with only a handful of new messages. Second, I think it's time to move the background checks thread to lace-chat, as it has moved rather far from lace-making. Thank-you for your consideration! Returning you to your regular programming Avital Arachne moderator -- Blog: http://apinnick.wordpress.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spindexr/sets - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace and math, was Teaching children
Easiest for who? As a left hander, this kind of idea (that all a right hander needed to do was sit opposite and let me mirror image) is part of what caused me to hate crochet. My mother, a right hander, tried to teach me to crochet for years, not realizing that my brain didn't see things like her brain did. It led to years of frustration, and finally had us both give up on it. When I was in high school, the school I went to had a hand crafts course in it's Home Economics department. I took the class, and crochet was the first craft taught. I was ready to get an F in the class because of how bad I'd done with my mother. It turns out, the teacher was actually left-handed and had taught herself how to do everything right handed to teach the right handed teens. However, she taught me how to do it left handed, and I had no problems with learning. I did so well, I received an A for that module. I absolutely *hate* crochet still, and I am now 46 years old. In all the fiber arts I can do, I will never crochet because my mother made me hate it so much by her attempts to teach me and her inability to understand that it's not as simple or easy as just sitting across from a lefty and having them mirror image a righty. Bronwen On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:42 AM, David C COLLYER dccoll...@ncable.net.auwrote: Dear friends, Have you tried showing a left-hander a technique in the mirror. It works for some though not for all. Sometimes it's easiest just to sit opposite and let the other person mirror your image. David in Ballarat, AUS - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/**lacemaker/sets/http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ -- Per pale argent and purpure, two phoenixes counterchanged sable and argent each rising from flames proper. It is sometimes the most fragile things that have the power to endure and become sources of strength. - May Sarton Only a life lived in the service to others is worth living.- Albert Einstein Out of clutter, find Simplicity. From discord, find Harmony. In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity. - Albert Einstein And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. - Anais Nin Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined. - Henry David Thoreau - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Background checks for lace teachers in the US--cost
Dear Lin, Thank you for your kind remarks. I do think you've missed the point, however. We were looking for the skills used in lacemaking to get schools to promote, or at least accept a volunteer lacemaking group. This discussion is about what abilities does lacemaking develop, among other things. If you know a lacemaker who has not had a pair where it didn't belong, I don't. Fixing that is problem solving, which involves a whole battery of skills. Analytical thinking, spatial judgment, logic can all be used, whether we call it that or not, or whether we care how we solve the problem. But if these are valid skills used in lacemaking, they can be used to encourage the academically minded to participate, or let their children/students participate. Lyn from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA. children were able to get a very good education in a smaller school system. it allowed for more personalization than i believe teachers today are allowed. With this discussion, i am also glad that an opinion such as slotting students into groups by instructor personal evaluation (even if taught) would allow the child to grow that my children had the opportunity for. the instructors for my children worked with us parents as we did with them for the benefit of the child. they were given the opportunity to blossom in their own way rather than be slotted and directed in only a limited direction for preconceived notions that only math talented people were equipped to do certain things. have we reverted to the dark ages of learning/teaching? i am glad i can delete this thread because it is tiresome and is just showing that we too have limited our own creativity by not just learning but deciding what future lacemakers require. ugh. glad my group is so talented we are all able to learn from others without having to be a mathematician. hopefully others out there are given the freedom to grow without judgment. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Seventeenth-Century Women's Dress Patterns II
My email set up does not allow me to trim off old posts, so I am having to start a fresh email. Rosemary, I agree wholeheartedly with this statement, you expressed my feelings well: I think its just a sad fact that given the group of people involved, the lace will never be treated as authentically or thoroughly as the garment construction and embroidery, even though it was such an important embellishment at the time. My sense of sadness and frustration after opening the book yesterday was very profound. It is coming from an emotional gut place, not thoughts involving logic.I can recall them saying book 2 was already finished, I just expected they would do better editing. None of us is able to put out mistake free literature, but I am of the opinion we should do the best we can at the time. The research is ever changing and it is so important to acknowledge what has changed and why. There just isn't room to put out badly done work. With that said, I agree it is good they pulled the bad diagrams and whatever else was there rather than printing it. Pragmatically speaking, I would prefer they print nothing about the lace rather than give incorrect information.Because of the accuracy of their other work and their general reputation, I would be afraid most people picking up the book trusted the lace was accurate. I am personally not at a point of feeling glad about it, though. I had higher expectations from the VA, especially when you brought this to their attention after the first book. In this period of dress, especially, the garments were quite a canvas for the embellishments such as embroidery, lace, passaments, buttons, etc. You said, Ive often observed that there is something about bobbin lace in particular, that makes many museum curators uneasy because it is a complicated subject and they just dont understand it. I have experienced this myself at the major museum in my area. They have a lovely lace collection, but there is no one on staff that knows about lace currently, so they will not show it. I have been slowly developing a polite relationship with them for about 8 years now, being careful not to sound critical of how things are categorized in their system. I think this is a place that, as lacemakers, we can all do our part. Coming across harshly only perpetuates the fear, and I think it is very important not to do this. Kim - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Skills to tout to get them to let you teach lace to children recap
I remember the very first conversation I held with my first lace teacher (now very sadly suffering from Alzheimer's ) on my enquiry about her classes she asked me if I liked jigsaw puzzles I replied that I did and her response was well you will like lacemaking then bless you Noni what a sad loss to the lacemaking world you are. Sue M Harvey Norfolk U.K. Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] I wa hacked.
Disregard any emails you receive from me as I was hacked. Sorry. amber forest,va - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace skills to tout so they let you teach children Final
These are the articulable skills mentioned in this discussion. If anyone comes up with more, please add them to your personal list. eye hand coordination small motor skills concentration following directions, oral and written problem solving analytical thinking logic spatial relations encouraging creativity through use of color or design This is an impressive array. Some schools, of course, will never be receptive, but some will. Of course, there is no guarantee that the child will develop these skills, but it lacemaking is one way way to get them into those sweet little heads. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, who says good night to all - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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