Re: [lace] Red Dye stains

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Color catchers I did not recommend as post dye treatment. Ritz dye remover 
which is done with only affected fabric. 

Sue M 

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> On Apr 21, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Lbuyred  wrote:
> 
> I just listened to a talk from a guilt teacher who said she was successful 
> removing red stains by washing the quilt multiple times with Color Catchers.  
> However I would issue a warning with that.
> 
> I once accidentally left a Color Catcher in the laundry with some dark blue 
> towels.  When I pulled the towels out there was a spot where the Color 
> Catcher had rested that looked like bleach had been on the towel.  There was 
> a large white section on a blue towel.
> Liz R, Raleigh NC
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> Does anyone have a suggestion of how to get red marks out of fabric?   All 
>> ideas are welcome.
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[lace] CottonThread

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I am also intrugued by the tread. When I handspin cotton for thread, it is 
finished as a skein because I am guessing cotton as many threads were sold by 
unit weight. 840 yards in a hank of cotton.  So could be 1/4 hank lengths. I 
have seen antique thread skein bobbin winding stations. 
As far as why linen like? Cotton is often 'sized' in finishing process to add 
body. If it is not then the tiny cotton fibers wiggle from the twist and rub 
against each other. Gassing would also burn off the frizzies for smooth thread. 
I just size the cotton. Could also be when raw cotton is spun direct from boll, 
the cotton has a natural wax on the fibers. In the finishing it used to be that 
one must boil the cotton to remove wax, felt the fibers making it stronger, 
slightly bleach the cotton. 

I would be interested if people have documentation about the processing of 
antique cotton thread. If I had an example, I can do forensic spinning to 
figure how it was spun and finished in the first place.

Sue M
 

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Re: [lace] Supporting young lacemakers

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When non fiber artists ask about cost of a handmade item and I quote how many 
hours of work go into it, I too hear them balk at the cost. I throw it back on 
them and ask how much they feel they should be paid for X amount of hours of 
work. Usually gets them to think how much their time is worth and thus an 
artist's time is worth. 

Sue M 

> On Jul 23, 2016, at 21:59, Helene Ulrich  wrote:
> 
> I'm with Marianne and Clay.
> 
> Many years ago I made one of Betty Lou Braun's Rose Brier Bears as a
> gift.  A lady I worked with asked me to make one for her.  When I told
> her it took me 48 hours to make (I had tracked my time) and even at
> less than minimum wage it would cost her over $100 because of the
> labor she told me I was crazy -- it wasn't worth that kind of money.
> 
> Helene Ulrich
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Re: [lace] Multi-part prickings tricky; skeins also tricky

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For very fine yarns such as used in bobbin lace, umbrella swifts are not the 
best. Towards the end of ending off, the skein may drop leaving a tangled mess. 
Instead a skein winder (not a ball winder) such as used on charkas work well.  
I use that type for silks, fine cottons and linens. 

Sue M, Master Handspinner

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 22:51, Bev Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hi Julie, Brenda and everyone
> 
> An umbrella swift is good to hold a skein for winding directly onto a
> bobbin (spool, shuttle) :)
> 
> It is possible to wind from a skein without a swift, or a willing pair of
> arms to hold the skein for you. Place the skein on a flat surface, place
> weights opposite each other within the skein so it is made taut, and
> carefully wind off what is needed.
> 
> For a precise amount per bobbin e.g. for large-grid projects, commercially
> prepared skeins are usually wound by the yard or metre. Measure once around
> to find the unit. Mark the beginning of the round in some way and count the
> passes as you wind it off.
> 
> As Brenda mentioned, ravelry does use 'skein' to refer to the commercial
> put-up unit of a yarn, whether it is a ball, cone or skein.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Brenda Paternoster <
> paternos...@appleshack.com> wrote:
> 
>> ...  If you try to use it directly you will soon learn why you
>> shouldn’t; it will sooner or later end up in a tangled mess.
>> 
>>> I don't think the instruction is exactly that I must never wind bobbins
>>> directly from skein.
> --
> Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
> Canada
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Re: [lace] Equivalence of Superior Threads' Kimono Silk

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You could figure out yards per pound. (100x 840 silk constant)/2= 42000ypp

Sue M 

> On Oct 28, 2015, at 15:17, Debora Lustgarten  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Does anyone on the list know the equivalence or wraps per cm of Superior 
> Threads' "Kimono Silk" #100/2?
> Many thanks in advance,
> 
> Debora Lustgarten
> Toronto, Ontario, Canada
> ...having heavy rains and wind, good for staying indoors, with a big teapot 
> at arms reach!
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Re: [lace] Equivalence of Superior Threads' Kimono Silk

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When we do counts for silk we use yards per pound. Silk, Cotton, man made
fibers all have a fixed count of 840.

Denier gives grist or thickness of thread which is what you ( Brenda) use.
However for weaving yards per pound ypp is used to describe yarns.

Was finding a measurement she could use based on what she knew about the yarn
to find an equivalent.

Sue M

> On Oct 28, 2015, at 20:27, Brenda Paternoster <paternos...@appleshack.com>
wrote:
>
> Does 100/2 mean cotton count 100/2 ? or is it the metric 100/2 ? or is it
Denier?
>
> If it’s cotton count 100/2 , yes you will get 42,000 yards per pound.
> If it’s Nm you’ll get (100 x 1000) ÷ 2 = 50,000 metres per Kg
> If it’s denier (which is often used for silk) you’ll get 100 x 2 = 200
grams of thread for every 9,000 metres.
>
> None of those measurements will tell you the wraps/cm.
>
> Brenda
>
>> On 29 Oct 2015, at 00:05, Bespokethreadsandyarns
<bespokethreadsandya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You could figure out yards per pound. (100x 840 silk constant)/2= 42000ypp
>>
>> Sue M
>>
>>> On Oct 28, 2015, at 15:17, Debora Lustgarten <drac...@primus.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Does anyone on the list know the equivalence or wraps per cm of Superior
Threads' "Kimono Silk" #100/2?
>>> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Brenda in Allhallows
> paternos...@appleshack.com
> www.brendapaternoster.co.uk
>
>
>
>
>
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[lace] Threads questions

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Cannot find in Paternoster's book, Lisbeth 80 nor Frank's 20/3 ( both 
referenced in Ulrike's Torchon book. Can anyne help me out? Need wraps per 
centimater. Thanks. Sue M 

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Re: [lace] idrija thread

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I think we are comparing two different things. Z plied thread will keep more of 
its twist while working than an S plied thread. Twist motion is z twist so z 
plied threads will not loosen while being made into lace. S plied threads will 
lose their ply twist ergo 'soften' while making lace. Sometimes though you want 
threads to soften. Early lace was made with less ply twist on purpose. So, in 
my opinion, if a tradition calls for a certain type of ply twist, it did so on 
purpose. 
Sue M 



 On Aug 20, 2015, at 04:51, Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com 
 wrote:
 
 Textil za turizem sukanec za klekljanje Idrija is a Slovenian 3ply thread 
 with a Z twist, 25 w/cm for size 60. (Translates as 'Tourism textile thread 
 for Idrija bobbins
 
 Coats make (made?) Cipke Mojka Sukanac za Klekljanje Idrija (Translates to 
 Mojka lace thread for Idrija bobbins).
 This is a 3ply thread with an S twist.  I’ve seen sizes 25 = 23 w/cm, 30 = 24 
 w/cm and 40 = 28 w/cm.
 
 Both of those threads will be ‘softer’ than DMC 80 ‘tatting’, actually DMC 
 Cordonnet Special 80 or DMC Special Dentelles 80, because that is a 6 ply 
 thread, the 2S/3Z means that although it looks superficially like a 3 ply 
 thread each of those plies is already a 2ply strand, and comparing the w/cm 
 is less straightforward because the 2S/3Z threads keep their round shape a 
 lot more when being wrapped (or turned into lace) than a 3ply thread does.  
 In practice that means that the 3 ply spreads a bit more giving a lower w/cm 
 measurement than the same amount of fibres in a 3ply yarn.  
 
 So, in theory the DMC 80/6 = Idrija 40/3, but DMC 80/6 = 30 w/cm and Idrija 
 40/3 = 28 w/cm.
 
 Whatever brand of Idrija cotton No30 you have I would expect it to be 
 slightly thicker rather than slightly finer.  Remember too that 3 ply thread 
 works up softer than anything which is 2S/3Z.
 
 Brenda
 
 
 I just purchased some Idrija thread.  The white spool says No 30 on it.  I
 also obtained some colors and they also say No 30.  What would be the wraps
 for that?  Anyone know?  and I also purchased some metallic Idrija thread. 
 Any idea what the wraps are for it?  I have checked out Brenda's book and it
 mentions no 60 at 25 wraps.  Just looking at it makes me think DMC 80 tatting
 thread or a bit finer than that.
 
 Brenda in Allhallows
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Re: [lace] Wire lace mini discovery

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Would a drop spindle or support spindle work? 

Sue M

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 On Aug 7, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Kim Davis k...@wirelace.net wrote:
 
 This also works well with a bobbin winder, attaching the ends of the
 bobbins to a bobbin.  When I don't have another pair of hands around I duck
 tape the free ends to my granite counter top.
 
 Kim​
 
 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Susan hottl...@neo.rr.com wrote:
 
 Hello All!  At the 2014 IOLI convention in Sacramento, I attended Lauran
 Sundin's wire lace class.  One of the techniques she demonstrated in class
 involved twisting wires together to make heavier cable.  She used a
 cordless drill at low speed.  Today I wanted to combine two strands of 28 
 two strands of 30 gauge wire to create a cable/gimp.  The last time I used
 a power drill, the torque caused a spiral fracture to my ring finger.  To
 avoid another trip to the emergency room, my husband suggested a Dremel
 drill because it has variable speed control.  Unfortunately none of the
 Dremel attachments allowed me to connect my wire to the drill.  That's when
 I remembered my Spinster!  This is a low-tech tool that many embroiderers
 use to make twisted cording for a finished edge.  Using a doubled length of
 each wire, I attached the wire loop ends to the Spinster hook.  My husband
 twisted together the four free ends  held them with a pair of flat blade
 jewelry pliers while I reeled!
  under tension.  The resulting cable is quite lovely for my first effort
  I will use this method again.  The Spinster was easy to use/control 
 adequate for my 28/30 gauge wire but does require an extra pair of hands.
 Hope this is helpful to others who are working with wire.  If someone else
 posted this info, sorry for the rerun.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA
 USA
 
 
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[lace] Torchon and direction

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If Torchon is done right side up, why are pattern prickings the opposite to the 
final photo? I worked on a Lace guild rainbow bookmark. The stripes on the 
pricking went opposite to what the finished photo showed. Happened on a big 
nativity pattern as well ( that that was free style). 

Sue M 

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Re: [lace] spiders in lace

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Good to know flat spiders preferred. Can anyone remind me how not to have pin 
mark in center? Thanks

Sue M

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 On Aug 1, 2015, at 11:25 AM, d2one...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 In researching material for a workshop on torchon spiders for our guild, I 
 came across Gertrude Whiting's directions for Plain Torchon Spiders, for 
 what is elsewhere described as(three-legged or two-legged) spider ground or 
 spider filling. Pins are used in the center of the spider bodies only. These 
 centers should be raised to give an arched effect. This is done after the 
 first half of the spider body is woven, by holding the pairs nearest the pin 
 up high and tight against it while closing it...and pulling the outer pairs 
 up tight... : contrary to more modern instructions to remove the pin and 
 smooth the spider center down. Does anyone try for that raised effect in 
 spider ground nowadays? 
 Doris O'Neill Chicago Area. 
 
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Re: [lace] Linen colour

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Agree with Alex and Brenda. I grow flax for handspinning. Have done so for six 
years. Environmental conditions do affect color as does retting process, be it 
dew retting, pond retting, or my method baby pool retting. I believe the flax 
seed variety also gives subtle color differences at least in my experience. 

Sue M. 
Exhausted having passed my master handspinning certificate exam. 



 On Jul 3, 2015, at 04:35, Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com 
 wrote:
 
 I agree with what Alex has written but I have also read somewhere that the
 soil and growing conditions has some effect on the colour of unbleached
 flax/linen.  Where the soil is rich in iron and has a reddish colour the flax
 fibres will absorb some of that colouring.
 
 There is a lot of detailed info about flax retting here.
 http://www.astm.org/SNEWS/SEPTEMBER_2005/akin_sep05.html
 
 Brenda
 
 When flax is prepared to make linen thread it gores through a process
 called
 retting. Traditionally flax stems are allowed to start rotting in order to
 free the fibres either by leaving the cut stems outside so that dew forms
 on
 them or by leaving them in water. One of these processes results in grey
 fibres, the other ecru. So the colour of the unbleached linen is the result
 of
 the retting process used and also the weather at the time and the time that
 has been allowed for the process. Being a natural product the colour will
 depend on the growing season and how the retting process in managed and
 will
 vary from year to year.
 
 Brenda in Allhallows
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Re: [lace] booking teachers

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The weeks of IOLI vary due to venue availability. There are other events that 
book a couple of years in advance so by the time IOLI team negotiates contracts 
the hotels may be booked. 

Sue M



 On Jul 1, 2015, at 22:10, laceviolins...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 We have Lace days in Utah in July the second week (Monday through Wednesday) 
 and we meet in Fairview and we have never had a problem with getting teachers 
 and vendors but all of a sudden IOLI is moving their days for the convention 
 up each year and now they are infringing on our lace days. Does anyone else 
 have this problem? How far up is IOLI going to be moving the convention? Does 
 anyone know what the date is that they are aiming for? Why not just announce 
 that in the year 20-- convention will be help on () then the rest of 
 us could make our plans, instead of worrying about when it is going to be in 
 2, 3 or 4 years? Is it a big secret? 
 
 Becca in Utah 
 trying to get a vendor for 2017 
 just lost Allie Marguccio for 2017 
 
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[lace] Smoke

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Conservators would know what works. 

Maybe activated charcoal? 

Sue M



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Re: [lace] June 21 International Lace Day

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I think it was started by Dutch. Do not know much lse about origins. Bet they
did not consider Father's Day when they planned.

Sue M



 On Jun 15, 2015, at 08:53, laceandb...@aol.com wrote:

 If this is a new event/idea someone's come up with, why not have it the same
day as the already long established UK National Lacemaking Day, 2nd Saturday
in September (this year the 12th) and make it International Lacemaking Day
instead?

 June 21st is already taken for Father's Day.

 Jacquie in Lincolnshire



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[lace] June 21 International Lace Day

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This is published on facebook. The idea is to make lace in public. 

I will be in master spinner exam all day but maybe can steal a moment or two. 
It is also Father's  Day in the US and Canada. Lots going on that day. 

Sue M 

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[lace] 1931 lace making clip

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Shared this on facebook. A British Pathe silent black and white clip of bobbin
lace. Single handed! On facebook we had several say Lace type is Beds but one
said Cluny. What do you all think?

Sue

http://youtu.be/IwcSaAXtZsc

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Re: [lace] RE: Wool for a bolster pillow?

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Would look for worsted wool. Mens suit remnants. Thin. Non pilling. Smooth. 
Wicks away moisture. The thing about uncovered wool is that it is a dust and 
cat hair magnet. That is why cotton covering recommended. 

Sue M
Fiber Artist

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 On May 20, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Jane Partridge mous...@live.co.uk wrote:
 
 The general purpose of adding material over the foam, as I understand it, is
 to make the pillow last longer. Most of the domed polystyrene pillows I've
 seen that have a layer of felt under the cover have a fairly thin layer - the
 type of felt you buy in squares for craft work, rather than the thick carpet
 underlay type. The cover also helps reduce the noise of working on
 polystyrene, but I'm not sure if ethafoam is as noisy to work on.
 The more layers you use, the greater the amount of fabric you will need to
 buy, and probably the finer fabrics are going to be more expensive, so think
 about whether cost is an issue.
 The only other comment I would make about using wool is that as a fibre, wool
 holds moisture, which is useful for warmth in clothing but could cause
 corrosion if you use steel pins, live in a damp climate and don't finish
 projects reasonably quickly!
 
 Jane partridgemous...@live.co.uk
 
 From: hottl...@neo.rr.com
 
 Hello All!  I thought I knew what type of wool to buy to cover my foam
 roller but now I'm not so sure.  My plan was to use wool felt:  1) because I
 have more than one source  2) because I applied wool felt to my IOLI $5 foam
 pillow last year  it worked like a charm.  When I say wool felt, I am
 referring to fulled wool that is typically used for wool embroidery, penny
 rugs etc.   Not too thick but with some body.  While wandering about the
 internet today, I found wool flannel  wool challis.
 
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[lace] Silk lace fan

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This was posted on facebook page. Incredible silk lace fan.

http://www.chiangmaicitylife.com/citylife-articles/fan-of-the-century-revisit
ing-the-lady-of-lace/

Sue M

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Re: [lace] Arachne Commems

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So sorry Liz about your cat's sugery. Best of luck with that.

I too would be interested in bobbins. Somehow missed that as well. Changed from 
digest to daily messages so should see this stuff.

Sue Meissner
Master spinner and fiber artist



 On Mar 26, 2015, at 02:17, The Lace Bee thelace...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Like Cindy, I too must have missed something as I would also be interested in 
 a bobbin. However at this time Im barely reading anything but work emails 
 during the day and at home we are dealing with nothing but the vet as our 
 cat, who has been unwell for a while now, has had emergency surgery on monday 
 followed by chemo yesterday 
 
 im sorry if i missed something i should have replied to.
 
 L
 
 Kind Regards
 Liz Baker
 
 On 26 Mar 2015, at 02:42, Cindy from Dallas cin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I must have missed something.  I would also be interested in 2 bobbins and a 
 shuttle.
 
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