[lace] Lace) Lace patterns

[Daphne Martin]

Just letting you all know there are some lace patterns on EBay.. Reasonably 
priced.
There is none there I need. One is Miss Channers Mat.
Happy lacemaking
Daphne xx

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[lace] Lace Patterns-Value

[Susan]

Devon et al, misery loves company--this issue is not exclusive to lace!  Cross 
stitch, needlepoint, surface embroidery, beading etc.--just ask any teacher, 
designer or publisher.  Plenty of angst.  

Regarding instructions, many lace "patterns" don't seem to include them!  This 
is different from a "how to" book where the author/teacher specifies the 
techniques & order of work.  As an enthusiastic beginner, I have several 
pillows with stalled projects.  Some are stuck in the first row!  Others have 
been removed & are now tangled in boxes.  As you know, I regularly ask for help 
on Arachne & I'm always grateful for help/suggestions, but I do not want to 
wear out my welcome!  I keep hoping that if I take classes, make enough lace on 
my own & learn something new on each piece, maybe a lightbulb will go off & I 
will be able to restart & successfully complete my interrupted projects.  If I 
could say anything to designers:  please give a few hints to help your 
customers make your lace!  Instructions shouldn't offend the experts among us, 
yet make your pattern more accessible to those of us who are not.  From that 
standpoint, a design with instructions should be a more valuable c!
 ommodity.  It's in everyone's best interests for designers to be successful 
otherwise we won't have new lace to make!  Sincerely,  Susan Hottle USA  



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RE: [lace] Lace Patterns-Value

[Lorelei Halley]

Devon
Very good response. You covered the issues of creating the instructions very
well. That is a significant part of the issue.
Lorelei


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I have always been interested in the sort of disconnect in the lace world
between the amount of effort that it takes to design a bobbin lace pattern 

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Re: [lace] Lace Patterns-Value

[Anna Binnie]

I wonder what the average amount of time is for designing a pattern? When we
ask people to contribute a pattern to a project are we essentially asking for
50 hours of their time? At a rate of say, $10 an hour, is it the same as
soliciting $500 from people or asking them to provide over a week a full time
labor?


Dear Devon et al
In the last year or so I contributed a pattern to 'Australian Lace'. It 
is a small linen basket.


Yous wonder how much time it took, well it started off as a commission 
for a Workshop I give every year to a small group in Orange NSW. They 
asked for something with a circle and something that everyone could do 
but would challenge everyone. Group size was 9 and experience went from 
1year to 25+ years.


The thought process took several months, once the basket was hit on, it 
became easier.


Basket basics were designed while camping in the remote Cape Range 
National Park. My husband and his friends were caving everyday for 4 
days leaving me in camp free to design.


The basic structure took a week to draw up and put in the stitches.

The drawing up of the pricking and thread diagrams took another month.

First test run took 5 days

Second test run took 2 days

Teaching notes and diagrams took 3 weeks.

I had posted photos on Facebook and a lady from the US wanted the 
pattern, I sent it and all the information to her in exchange for 
'payment' which was a $5-$10 donation to a charity helping people. She 
donated to a local women's refuge.


The group was so excited by that workshop that they wrote an article for 
'Australian Lace' I was also excited by their response and wrote an 
article about the workshop from a teacher's perspective and decided to 
publish the pattern.


I have designed lace for other workshops in a variety of laces, so here 
is my take:-


Some lacemakers are takers as in 'give me, give me, give me' as in greedy!
More lacemakers a VERY grateful for anything you do give them both in 
your designs and in terms of patterns and tuition.


There are some (and these are in the minority) who take share and 
exploit! It is because there are these lacemakers that I've decided NOT 
to try and earn anything from my patterns. If i share my patterns I 
share them gladly if I wish to sell them then all I ask is for people to 
make a donation of about $5-$10 in their local currency to a local 
charity. In this way the purchaser gets their pattern, a charity gets 
some money to keep functioning AND the pattern recipient gets the tax 
benefit of her donation AND I don't fret about copied patterns. I see it 
as a win win win situation.


I know there are rouge copies floating about the country, in fact I know 
who obtained them without due process. It is amazing what information 
you can get out of checking who is viewing and downloading things from 
your own webpage, especially when the webpage was 'password protected' 
for the benefit of those who signed up to do the online workshop.


Anna in a very wet Sydney, the sun was out for a few days.

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[lace] Lace Patterns-Value

[devonthein]

I have always been interested in the sort of disconnect in the lace world
between the amount of effort that it takes to design a bobbin lace pattern and
the amount of value that is associated with that. Simply designing and making
a piece is just the first step.  Designing a pattern is really difficult
because it isn’t just coming up with a pleasing piece, it is also trying to
write the instructions so that anyone can do it. You need to be able to
diagram and also do thread drawings. You have to start with readily available
threads. You have to tailor it to a skill level that is widely available. I
imagine you have to make it several times as you try to get the smoothest
version. The amount of time the designer devotes to streamlining the pattern
results in the ability of the lacemaker to have a really nice, satisfying
piece right off the bat without spending lots of time and frustration trying
to make a piece from scratch. It is really quite a lot of fun to make an
attractive piece where someone else has conquered all the design challenges
for you. I enjoy the activity of following a diagram, which is a different
kind of fun than designing something.

Throughout all the years that I have been associated with the Bulletin of the
IOLI the most common comment has been that people want more patterns in the
publication. But that desire has not been equally matched by the number of
people who want to go through the extensive work of designing patterns to
contribute to the publication. In my estimation, writing articles like the
ones I have written involves less time than designing a bobbin lace pattern.

We were always very grateful to authors who would contribute a pattern in
order to promote a book, and, of course, other contributors and editors. Yet,
we never had enough to satisfy the readers. At one time I thought maybe we
should have a series on how to design patterns, so that people could design
their own, and hopefully stop asking for them in the Bulletin. Another
brainstorm I had was to pay Michel Jourde who was a designer for Lace Express,
to design a series of patterns to be exclusive to us. Our editor at the time
did not want to do this because she felt that the mission of the publication
was to share things among the members. But that left us with the problem that
hundreds of members wanted patterns, and very few designed them. One attempt
to produce more patterns was to require the winners of the original lace
design contest to provide the pattern of the piece for “first publication”
I was fearful that this requirement would keep people from entering the
contest because they wouldn’t want to write out every step and diagram every
difficult corner. But, actually the patterns produced tended to be sketches
with a few notes and not as fully described as a commercial pattern. I
sometimes wonder if anyone has ever successfully made one of the contest
entries. However, In some ways the exercise of publishing these patterns
really has done a lot to illuminate how people do original lace art. They make
a sketch and apply a wide range of techniques that they have in their skill
tool box to it. This was sort of the idea I once had about doing a series
about how to design your own lace piece, so maybe that is the impact it is
having. But, a comparable concept would be to have an oil painting contest
where artists paint an original picture and then provide instructions so that
other people could paint the same picture.

One question I have wondered about, in my decades of thinking about this, is
why people want patterns from the magazine when they all make different kinds
of lace and could easily purchase a book of patterns of the kind of lace they
make. If you have ever tried to design a pattern you quickly come to the
conclusion that the books, although expensive, are actually cheap for the
amount of time involved in designing patterns. It is interesting that in the
comments from Lace Express they actually stated that their lace designers did
not make an hourly wage that is commensurate with the norm, so the designers
were really contributing a lot of uncompensated value to the magazine, and
even so, the magazine was unable to go on. I visited Michel Jourde some years
ago and bought some patterns from him. I think they were about $5 a piece.
Later I had a discussion with Holly about whether she would like to carry his
patterns and she said that her customers did not like to buy individual
patterns.  I think that Michel was actually someone who was seriously trying
to make money with his pattern design, but it seems that the structure of the
market was against him.

I wonder what the average amount of time is for designing a pattern? When we
ask people to contribute a pattern to a project are we essentially asking for
50 hours of their time? At a rate of say, $10 an hour, is it the same as
soliciting $500 from people or asking them to provide over a week a full time
labor?

While no one supports 

[lace] Lace patterns

[Jenny Brandis]

I have opened an Etsy store to sell torchon lace patterns by Elsa van Baaren
in downloadable PDF. Elsa is the Australian author of the 2 books, Torchon
Lace Patterns and Torchon Lace Patterns 2 and well loved by fellow lace
makers. Please take a look at https://www.etsy.com/au/shop/JennyBrandisLace

 

Regards

Jenny Brandis

 

je...@brandis.com.au  

www.brandis.com.au    online since 1995

 

I can say to future generations that I was born BEFORE the Internet - my
parents generation invented it!!

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Re: [lace] Lace patterns

[Jenny Brandis]

Following a query I felt that I needed to clarify that Elsa has given me full 
permission to do this and I am not breaching any copyright.

Jenny Brandis
Brookdale, Western Australia

> On 25 Nov 2015, at 6:53 pm, Jenny Brandis  wrote:
> 
> I have opened an Etsy store to sell torchon lace patterns by Elsa van Baaren
> in downloadable PDF. Elsa is the Australian author of the 2 books, Torchon
> Lace Patterns and Torchon Lace Patterns 2 and well loved by fellow lace
> makers. Please take a look at https://www.etsy.com/au/shop/JennyBrandisLace
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Jenny Brandis
> 
> 
> 

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[lace] Lace patterns

[Janice Blair]

Just wanted to say that my DD has updated my website with more free patterns, 
some of which you may not have seen before, including a teapot that was on the 
cover of the British Lace magazine years ago.  I noticed there are a few 
pinholes missing on the steam, probably because the pattern was copied from 
another source as I had it on my old computer.  Check out the Pattern Gallery 
at www.jblace.com
Janice 
 
Janice Blair 
Murrieta, CA, 60 miles north of San Diego 
www.jblace.com 
www.lacemakersofillinois.org

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RE: [lace] Lace patterns

[Maureen]

'This must be true, it's virtually one of the first things Maureen teaches
us!!  Learn the basic stitches, a basic bookmark, now learn to 'draft'!!!
And most of us do NOT get out of it LOL'

And you wouldn't want to

Maureen
E Yorks UK (where it is lovely and sunny)

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Re: [lace] Lace patterns

[Sue Duckles]

This must be true, it's virtually one of the first things Maureen teaches us!!  
Learn the basic stitches, a basic bookmark, now learn to 'draft'!!!   And most 
of us do NOT get out of it LOL

Sue (also in East Yorkshire)
On 7 Jun 2014, at 10:02, Maureen wrote:

 HI
 
 I agree Jacquie, it is simple to copy these patterns from the pictures in
 the book.   
 
 Maureen
 E Yorks UK (where it is currently raining)

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RE: [lace] Lace patterns

[Maureen]

HI

I agree Jacquie, it is simple to copy these patterns from the pictures in
the book.   

Maureen
E Yorks UK (where it is currently raining)

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[lace] Lace patterns

[Kathleen Harris]

Can anyone tell me whether the prickings for the patterns in the
Knypplerskan books are still available, and, if so, from where? I have the
books (parts I and II which were bound together and part III) and many of
the prickings, which I purchased from Mace and Nairn in the seventies. Now I
would like to make more of the patterns, but Mace and Nairn appear to have
moved, and seem no longer to supply lace prickings, but just embroidery
supplies. I have tried to contact them, and am waiting for a reply - so I
may be able to solve the problem directly. But I know how knowledgable the
members of this list are, and wondered whether one of you could help?

 

Kathleen

In Berkshire, UK, where we have sunshine and showers,

April weather in June!



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Re: [lace] Lace patterns

[Laceandbits]

These patterns on the whole are very easy to draft from the photographs.  I 
remember they were on sale when OIDFA were in Brighton, many years ago, and 
one look at the price very quickly convinced me that I would just carry on 
drafting any that I wanted to work.  

This also has the advantage that you can work them any size with the thread 
of your choice.  Free graph paper in all sizes is easy to find with a 
google search if you don't have R-XP/Lace 8 and Arachne Brenda Paternoster's 
'Threads for Lace' will tell you all the thread options for the grid sizes.

Jacquie in Lincolnshire

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[lace] Lace Patterns to fit garments (such as collar shapes)

[Jeriames]

Some lace collectors have purchased lovely collars, only to find they do  
not fit over any existing garments in their wardrobes.  How nice that  
lacemakers can custom-make a collar to fit.
 
About 15-20 years ago, Radmilla Zuman taught a class at the  Cooper-Hewitt 
Museum in New York City (Decorative Arts branch of The  Smithsonian) on how 
to develop a pattern for a lace collar.  (Devon was in  the class, and may 
remember more.)  It seems that Radmilla's method might  apply to a modesty 
panel for a blouse with too low a neckline, and is the same  way seamstresses 
might approach making a pattern.
 
To start, since you've already had a unfortunate situation with the first  
top, I do not think you should make lace until the grey top has been  
washed.  It might shrink, or even lose dye - as the other one did.  To  wear it 
before washing, fold a hanky with the lace edges facing north, and baste  it 
into place.  You may want it to be straight across, or with a corner  point 
featured in the middle.  It's a nice way to get an idea of  possibilities.
 
You need to get the garment area you want to insert with lace as  flat as 
possible, because you will need to trace the  neckline opening.  You may be 
able to do this best on a ironing  board.  If you cannot get it flat, try to 
put it on a dressmaker's  mannequin over a piece of plain fabric you can 
draw on (like bed  sheeting).  Suggest a fabric rather than tissue paper that 
is used for  commercial patterns, because you can manipulate it a lot and it 
will not  tear.  Pin the two layers together so they won't move.  You can 
then  use one of those vanishing blue ink pens quilters use - to trace  the 
neckline.  If any of this type of ink gets on the garment, you can  touch it 
with cold water and it will vanish.  (Test ink first on an inside  seam, to 
be sure it is the right product.)  
 
Once you have the neckline shape, you can decide what type of lace  
trimming you would like to make -- one that is sewn on top of the garment, or  
one 
that is sewn inside.  You can play with existing lace edging  yardage that 
you already have, or ribbons, to see the effect and how much  you will need.  
  
 
 
*Noone has recommended you should complain to the shop  owner where you 
bought your red top.  It would be nice if you  did that.  Be sure the shop's 
headquarters knows the brand name  and any other identifying information as 
soon as possible after purchase!   If enough complaints are received, the 
product line may be dropped.  If any  more of the tops are still on racks, they 
may be removed.*  
 

Jeri Ames in  Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center  

 
In a message dated 12/28/2011 7:15:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
hurwitz...@btinternet.com writes:

Now some  proper lace content.   I have another new top, not yet worn,  grey
with pattern and a few sequins over the top and the neck line is a tad  low 
on
me, so a modesty panel would definitely be useful.Having never yet made
anything that actually had to fit clothing yet I have  no idea where to 
start.
Maybe a paper pattern shape drawn with some seam  allowed extra?
Sue T
Dorset  UK

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RE: [lace] Lace patterns

[Jo]

Reminds me of how Ulrike Loehr structured her Maikaefer, flieg!. The first
patterns have lots of instructions, the latter less and less. I try to
encourage my students to draw their own route-maps when they find a pattern
with too little instructions. Consider it a phase in learning levels.

 I always worry about the modern trend of making lace 
 fillowing route map charts.  This is only another form of  
 'making lace by numbers'. A true lacemaker is able to 'read a 
 pricking'

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Fw: [lace] Lace patterns

[Sue T]

My first learning patterns came with no information at all, just the 
pricking.  I had lessons each week for 2 hours, but of course my time was 
rarely more than 10 or maybe 15 overal, and when I got home I might struggle 
on a bit.   I found that by printing out part of the pattern large I could 
draw in pencil lines to help me work out where the threads might be going 
next and how.   This was especially helpful when I made the bedfordshire 
hanky piece.
After I joined arachne after my teacher retired I got to know about 
Christine Springett and have worked quite a few of her pieces.  I find all 
that written info difficult to follow and work the pattern, even though I 
read them first and then try to follow it through, but can work from a 
working diagram reasonably well and sometimes very well.   Once I have 
worked an inch or two of the lace I feel more comfortable and more competant 
as a general rule.  Of course I still find mistakes when the lace is made, 
but thats like proof reading written text and then finding spelling mistakes 
afterwards, g.  I am a little more forgiving of my mistakes now than 8 
years ago when I used to moan about them.   Firstly I make lace for my 
enjoyment and when a piece is good enough I can enjoy giving it to someone, 
it I think its a mess then it goes into my file.

Sue T
Dorset UK


Reminds me of how Ulrike Loehr structured her Maikaefer, flieg!. The 
first

patterns have lots of instructions, the latter less and less. I try to
encourage my students to draw their own route-maps when they find a 
pattern

with too little instructions. Consider it a phase in learning levels.


I always worry about the modern trend of making lace
fillowing route map charts.  This is only another form of
'making lace by numbers'. A true lacemaker is able to 'read a
pricking'


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Re: [lace] Lace patterns

[Lora]

I learned With the Doris southard book and No chance of acess to a teacher (I 
don't think I'll ever have that option)
And really like her method of teaching, although she gives step by step 
instructions for the first part of the book she encourages you to pay attention 
and understand why your doing things, what's going on and alternate ways of 
doing it. And the latter patterns consist of just the pricking and a small photo

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Re: [lace] Lace patterns

[lynrbailey]

My teacher, too, was the author Doris Southard.  I am very grateful to her for 
her book.  I didn't come across a real lacemaker, in the flesh, for at least 12 
years after that.  Her book is excellent for someone without any other resource 
to learn lace.  Making the transition to other authors who assume there will be 
someone at your elbow at some point was not easy, but eventually it was done.  
Now, with the internet and its connections and other available resources, it is 
the rare lacemaker who does not have a live person to consult.  But years ago, 
in the US, lacemakers were virtually impossible to find.  Step by step 
explanations certainly must have their place in such an environment.  It is not 
the ideal, but I highly doubt that many people would be able to learn to make 
lace by reading the pricking without a live person to consult.  lrb


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I learned With the Doris southard book and No chance of acess to a teacher (I 
don't think I'll ever have that option)
And really like her method of teaching, although she gives step by step 
instructions for the first part of the book she encourages you to pay 
attention and understand why your doing things, what's going on and alternate 
ways of doing it. And the latter patterns consist of just the pricking and a 
small photo

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[lace] Lace patterns

[Alex Stillwell]

Dear Arachnids

I always worry about the modern trend of making lace fillowing route map
charts.  This is only another form of  'making lace by numbers'. A true
lacemaker is able to 'read a pricking', i.e. be able to look at a pricking and
interpret what to do by looking at the relationship between the pinholes and
also to have some idea of the characteristics of the lace so as to be able to
judge when to use cloth rather than half stitch and interpret which filling to
use from the pinholes.

I was teaching lacemaking before Pam Nottingham's first book came out and I
have always taught techniques rather than patterns. One of my students who,
much to my dismay, had taken to working from route maps attended one of Pam's
weekends and returned somewhat disgruntled. Pam had refused to teach her
Floral Bucks until she could work from a geometrical Bucks pricking without
any other information; the fact that she was following one of Pam's patterns
did not help her. I was delighted that she then started working on reading
prickings.

Route maps are fine if you wish to make a complicated piece without the
possibily of getting any help, but try to understand the resons for using
particular techniques and bear in mind that many route maps only show one of
many different ways of working the pricking, that there may be different
interpretations and that many route maps can be improved on.

I wish more would become true lacemakers and read their prickings, rather than
make lace by numbers. Understanding prickings is also essential before you can
design and drafting your own prickings.

Happy lacemaking and designing your own lace

Alex

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Re: [lace] Lace patterns

[The Lace Bee]

Further to my previous email I am a theorist - I have always believed that I
could do anything if I had a good book on it.  Boy, did I study the highway
code!!!
 
As I started a new type of lace I would use a book to master the particular
technique then one day my mum wanted a small piece of lace to put into her
dolls house and I said (foolish child that I am) just go and look through my
books and patterns and I'll make whatever you want.
 
She picked one of the patterns for a Bucks broach in Lace.  No instructions.
 
So englarged the picture of the lace and got out Practical Skills in Lace by
Bridget M Cook and Cook and Stotts Bobbin Lace Stitches, wound my bobbins and
made a beautiful piece of lace.
 
Mum was so impressed I was commisssioned to make a similar one for her
friend's doll's house.
 
I was in a strange way liberated by this experience.
 
Yes, if I want to quickly start a piece I may use a diagram and for
remembering a particular type of lace that I haven't made for a while I may
get out one of the manuals.  I know that binche is notorious but I think it's
less that we don't think in the right way, less that it's difficult and more
that we don't spend every hour of our day making lace.
 
L

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

thelace...@btinternet.com

My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website:
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From: Alex Stillwell alexstillw...@talktalk.net
Subject: [lace] Lace patterns
To: lace@arachne.com
Date: Friday, 4 March, 2011, 17:56


Dear Arachnids

I always worry about the modern trend of making lace fillowing route map
charts.  This is only another form of  'making lace by numbers'. A true
lacemaker is able to 'read a pricking', i.e. be able to look at a pricking
and
interpret what to do by looking at the relationship between the pinholes and
also to have some idea of the characteristics of the lace so as to be able to
judge when to use cloth rather than half stitch and interpret which filling
to
use from the pinholes.

I was teaching lacemaking before Pam Nottingham's first book came out and I
have always taught techniques rather than patterns. One of my students who,
much to my dismay, had taken to working from route maps attended one of Pam's
weekends and returned somewhat disgruntled. Pam had refused to teach her
Floral Bucks until she could work from a geometrical Bucks pricking without
any other information; the fact that she was following one of Pam's patterns
did not help her. I was delighted that she then started working on reading
prickings.

Route maps are fine if you wish to make a complicated piece without the
possibily of getting any help, but try to understand the resons for using
particular techniques and bear in mind that many route maps only show one of
many different ways of working the pricking, that there may be different
interpretations and that many route maps can be improved on.

I wish more would become true lacemakers and read their prickings, rather
than
make lace by numbers. Understanding prickings is also essential before you
can
design and drafting your own prickings.

Happy lacemaking and designing your own lace

Alex

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[lace] lace patterns

[Lorelei Halley]

Hi Everybody

Last night I added some new patterns to my website page
http://lynxlace.com/mybookspatterns.html

There are now more patterns for sale, and my TORCHON BOBBIN LACE PATTERNS is
now available in a pdf form.  The book is broken into 4 parts to keep the file
size reasonable for internet transmission as an email attachment.  Details
about ordering are on the top of the page.  Please take a look.

Lorelei Halley

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[lace] Lace patterns from Retournac lace given to President

[Carol Desrochers]

I think I remember reading what pattern numbers were used from the Retournac
lace patterns for the gift to President Obama.  Can anyone tell me again
what those number were and if they are still available for purchase?  Thank
you.

Carol
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[lace] Lace Patterns of the Misses Sivewright and Pope

[Jean Nathan]

I see there's an acution for the above book finishing on ebay in just over 
40 minutes time. The current high bid is GBP12.50, with the last 6 bids 
above GBP8.00. Unless it's very recently gone out of print, it's available 
direct from Christine and David Springett at GBP7.00. Admittedly the postage 
on the auction is GBP1.50 and Springetts' is GBP2.25 within the UK, but this 
is a good example of where I'd be checking prices before bidding.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

[Martha Krieg]

Just print it off, cover it with contact paper, and prick a hole 
wherever there's a crossing!

At 3:31 PM + 3/14/05, Carol Adkinson wrote:
Hi Pene et al,
The starfishes are lovely, and that one in particular looks as if he ahs
been decorated.   My grandson is here ate the moment - he has been poorly
with am attack of sickness, and has very nearly completed his basic snake
bookmark today (he has already made a cat in tape lace for his Mum) and
thinks 'someone' ought to make a pricking for a starfish just like the red
one .
Carol - in Suffolk UK.
 Many years ago I saw a photo of a sea-star that looked as if a
 lacemaker had  thought that it needed some decoration added.
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[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

[Martha Krieg]

Just print it off, cover it with contact paper, and prick a hole 
wherever there's a crossing!

At 3:31 PM + 3/14/05, Carol Adkinson wrote:
Hi Pene et al,
The starfishes are lovely, and that one in particular looks as if he ahs
been decorated.   My grandson is here ate the moment - he has been poorly
with am attack of sickness, and has very nearly completed his basic snake
bookmark today (he has already made a cat in tape lace for his Mum) and
thinks 'someone' ought to make a pricking for a starfish just like the red
one .
Carol - in Suffolk UK.
 Many years ago I saw a photo of a sea-star that looked as if a
 lacemaker had  thought that it needed some decoration added.
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Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

[Pene Piip]

If any one would like the challenge of making a pattern, I won't be offended.
And I think it is preferable to call them sea-stars than star-fishes 
because
they are just not members of the fish family  are exoskeleton creatures.

I just have not enough time at present due to getting other things done.
Pene
At 05:31 PM 3/14/2005, Carol Adkinson wrote:
Hi Pene et al,
The starfishes are lovely, and that one in particular looks as if he ahs
been decorated.   My grandson is here ate the moment - he has been poorly
with am attack of sickness, and has very nearly completed his basic snake
bookmark today (he has already made a cat in tape lace for his Mum) and
thinks 'someone' ought to make a pricking for a starfish just like the red
one .
Carol - in Suffolk UK.
 Many years ago I saw a photo of a sea-star that looked as if a
 lacemaker had  thought that it needed some decoration added.
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Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

[Clay Blackwell]

Jean wrote, ... you could almost use the picture as a pricking...

And to that I add, if you're Betty Mcdonald in Philadelphia, or if you have
had one of her classes, you just may do that!!

Clay

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 [Original Message]
 From: Jean Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: lace@arachne.com
 Date: 3/15/2005 4:41:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

 Hi Pene et al,

 One of my students has been looking at starfish as one of the lace 
 classes for this year's Highland Show is 'Design inspired by a 
 starfish' but she hadn't found that one. It really is amazing - you 
 could almost use the picture as a pricking!

 Jean in grey, wet Glasgow

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[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

[Pene Piip]

If any one would like the challenge of making a pattern, I won't be offended.
And I think it is preferable to call them sea-stars than star-fishes 
because
they are just not members of the fish family  are exoskeleton creatures.

I just have not enough time at present due to getting other things done.
Pene
At 05:31 PM 3/14/2005, Carol Adkinson wrote:
Hi Pene et al,
The starfishes are lovely, and that one in particular looks as if he ahs
been decorated.   My grandson is here ate the moment - he has been poorly
with am attack of sickness, and has very nearly completed his basic snake
bookmark today (he has already made a cat in tape lace for his Mum) and
thinks 'someone' ought to make a pricking for a starfish just like the red
one .
Carol - in Suffolk UK.
 Many years ago I saw a photo of a sea-star that looked as if a
 lacemaker had  thought that it needed some decoration added.
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[lace] Lace patterns in nature

[Pene Piip]

Many years ago I saw a photo of a sea-star that looked as if a
lacemaker had  thought that it needed some decoration added.
What do other arachneans think?
http://www.scuba-equipment-usa.com/marine/MAY04/Vermilion_Biscuit_Star(Pentagonaster_duebeni).html
Isn't nature full of surprises sometimes?
Pene
Penelope Piip
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Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

[Carol Adkinson]

Hi Pene et al,

The starfishes are lovely, and that one in particular looks as if he ahs
been decorated.   My grandson is here ate the moment - he has been poorly
with am attack of sickness, and has very nearly completed his basic snake
bookmark today (he has already made a cat in tape lace for his Mum) and
thinks 'someone' ought to make a pricking for a starfish just like the red
one .

Carol - in Suffolk UK.

 Many years ago I saw a photo of a sea-star that looked as if a
 lacemaker had  thought that it needed some decoration added.

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[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Lace patterns in nature

[Carol Adkinson]

Hi Pene et al,

The starfishes are lovely, and that one in particular looks as if he ahs
been decorated.   My grandson is here ate the moment - he has been poorly
with am attack of sickness, and has very nearly completed his basic snake
bookmark today (he has already made a cat in tape lace for his Mum) and
thinks 'someone' ought to make a pricking for a starfish just like the red
one .

Carol - in Suffolk UK.

 Many years ago I saw a photo of a sea-star that looked as if a
 lacemaker had  thought that it needed some decoration added.

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