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Hi Anna, thank you for your kind words. This weekend is the local ag show and some of my girls have entered their work, So it is an anxious time for them. I enjoy being with them as they are such fun to be around! Tomorrow I will check out how well they did and take photos of their work. Surrogate grandmother works for me. :-) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Jenny, having met you for the first time last year, I'm not at all surprised that the munchkins keep coming back. You are an inspirational teacher. And surrogate grandmother how lovely. There are lots of very young grandmothers I must admit i have been surprised that the group has continued for so long!! Anna in a sunny Sydney - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hello Spiders, This is really making us all think, isn't it! When I went into the schools in which I taught lace-making, as an after-school activity, there was always a teacher present, so they didn't think that a CRB was necessary, as the teacher was always on the spot. (One of the teachers even joined the class!) However, one of my children's private classes folded because a friend (!) of one of the mothers asked if she had checked that I was CRB checked. I wrote to my then MP who, after quite a long time, replied that, as I was going into the childen's homes, where a parent or guardian was always present, then I didn't need any additional checks - especially as I was self-employed anyway. This took so long to sort out, that I gave up on that class - felt sorry for the children who had been enjoying it, but felt that, if the mother was going to listen to too many of her pals, with all sorts of criticism, I could do without all the hassle. The other three children's classes continued without any bother, so I felt quite happy with that. However, I do agree that they take the CRB checks to laughable levels. Surely one check should be enough for any and alll activities, not separate ones for Guides, Cubs, Brownies, schools, lace tutors and anything else they can make a bit of maney on... Carol in North Norfolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - Original Message - From: lynrbai...@desupernet.net lynrbai...@desupernet.net Subject: Re: [lace] Teaching children . A UNIFIED BACKGROUND CHECK FOR LACE TEACHERS!! Hi All - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Dear All I have experienced this CRB checks and at one time could have papered the little room with all the certificates for the different things I was involved in. Not just for working with children but with Vulnerable Adults. (This covers anyone who finds themselves in a vulnerable situation - fall and bruise your knee you become a vulnerable adult cut your hand) Just remember the CRB check is only really valid on date of issue as it only records things that have happened and been recorded ie convictions. one day later and the picture could be very different. If we want to bring childen up in a 100% risk free environment 100% germfree maybe we should CRB check any person who wishes to have a baby and then check parents very 3 years. If they fail any of these checksin any way the children are removed into govt care. which should meet the above levels of excellence.This will then only leave those that are not parents to be checked. Well maybe we just check the whole population as a matter of course all the time and the citizen will the have an ID number that it login with (with retinal recognition) any time they have any contact with children and if they are not of the correct standardd then they will be a loud noise to alert the bystanding adults. There has got to be a better way - how about trust in others. despite the few sick people that are out there. most children who hve been abused have been abused by family members - the recent cases of grooming have been young girls who have many problems and the groomers have not been people working with groups of young children. There have been cases of children being groomed in chat rooms on the internet. The same can be said for adults too these situation exist for them as well. Maybe we start with respect and a caring attitude towards others - male female children and less of the need to subjugate others Thank you for reading this - I will now get back to my lacemaking On 10/07/2013 11:49, nestalace.ca...@btinternet.com wrote: Hello Spiders, This is really making us all think, isn't it! When I went into the schools in which I taught lace-making, as an after-school activity, there was always a teacher present, so they didn't think that a CRB was necessary, as the teacher was always on the spot. (One of the teachers even joined the class!) However, one of my children's private classes folded because a friend (!) of one of the mothers asked if she had checked that I was CRB checked. I wrote to my then MP who, -- Kind Regards Rosemary Hemmett mailto:rosemary.hemm...@virgin.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I have been teaching children for 4 years (7-12 yrs old at the beginning) and although I went and got the australian police clearance called 'working with children' it has never been asked for. I teach in my own home each Saturday afternoon and it is purely voluntary on behalf of the kids. If they felt threatened in any way they would not come. I was unsure how to respond to a comment that i was a surrogate grandmother but on reflection that makes sense as i live in a 'young' town with the average age being in the 30's. Whatever the reason i love being able to pass on my love of craft to a new generation. We have explored different crafts over the time but the one stipulation is that they must learn bobbin lace to attend. I must admit i have been surprised that the group has continued for so long!! Regards Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] teaching children
Hi all, Just been catching up on the thread of recent digests and came across Joke Lyn's messages regarding teaching children. Lyn wrote: I apologize, but your posting struck me the wrong way. I'm sitting here with tears of laughter running down my face, thinking, Rats, my extensive criminal convictions will not let me teach lace to children... I know it's serious, and probably expensive, but really, lacemakers going to schools to prey on young children? The thought is such an absurdity. I suppose there could be a predator out there, lurking amongst us Lacemakers Joke wrote: It would be lovely if children could have an afternoon to get to know lacemaking.. For 12-14 years I voluntarily ran a lace club in the lunch hour at what was then the local middle school [children aged 9-13] where I taught both girls and boys to make lace. Living in a relatively rural area it had to be during lunch because after school clubs were difficult for the majority of children who had to be bussed to and from school each day. The class was always full [14 max] with a lengthy waiting list of youngsters wanting to have a go at making lace, often inspired by the annual exhibition the group put on to coincide with parents days. Some lasted for a few weeks before deciding it wasn't for them others stayed on until they changed school, one is now my groups membership sec. All went well until the school had a new headmaster who thought it a waste of time and spent a year making life very difficult... so that class moved to my home along with the class I'd already set up for the older children going to high school. But gradually numbers dwindled and life was made even more difficult because of all the scandals of child abuse that were coming to the fore and CRB checking was introduced and became compulsory . this was when I bowed out of teaching children, not because I wouldn't pass through the CRB checks I hasten to add, but because the cost of it was prohibitive. And yes Lyn I do see the funny side of what you wrote. Another problem that we now face in my area at least, is the lack of lacemakers who are able and willing to teach. Over the past couple of years when I've been out giving a talk/exhibiting within the county I've been asked where folk can go to learn, but classes are non-existent in many parts of the county, so cutting a long story short this has resulted in a new class of adult beginners [not all retired] and a bit of a trek for me, so far it's going well, though I do have to watch out for herds of deer suddenly leaping out from the hedgerows across the road when I drive back home in the dark, it's happened each week so far. Clearly this particular narrow lane crosses their regular route, but it's the only way home for me, but I have to say that one particular stag is quite an impressive animal and I do so enjoy seeing them, fingers crossed they won't one day actually land on my car. Never imagined that lacemaking could be so fraught with danger!!! Nicky in a gloriously sunny Suffolk so wonderful to see some sunshine at long long last. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Dear Lyn, You gave me an excellent idea. I could use some slave labour to be able to enter the 5 meter club :) Just kidding! It is sad they had to enforce these rules. Joke On 8 Jul 2013, at 23:20, lynrbai...@desupernet.net wrote: Dear Joke, I apologize, but your posting struck me the wrong way. I'm sitting here with tears of laughter running down my face, thinking, Rats, my extensive criminal convictions will not let me teach lace to children... I know it's serious, and probably expensive, but really, lacemakers going to schools to prey on young children? The thought is such an absurdity. I suppose there could be a predator out there, lurking amongst us lacemakers, but Please enjoy the joke with me. Lyn from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, who had the charges for failing to show her automobile insurance to the cop withdrawn today. Honestly. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
Hi All Been watching this thread with interest. I am enhanced CRB checked and do hold a current certificate however here in the UK it would only cover me for being a School Crossing Patrol! If I wanted to go into school to 'teach' then I should be CRB checked for that... if I wanted to work with 'vulnerable adults' in other centres again another CRB check would have to be made. Trusteeship of a group registered with the Charities Commission would need another CRB clearance All of which must be paid for by an organisation, and the paperwork can take up to 6 months!! This situation is rather ludicrous, as each of the above checks would be made by the SAME County Council!!! Now where is the sense in that?? IMHO it's a great way of raising extra money! Also, if someone is 'retired' or self-employed, there is NO WAY that they can get their employer to pay for a CRB clearance doesn't enter into the scheme! In other words, whereas I could potentially go into the community to teach lace because I'm 'employed' , someone else who is retired couldn't, unless they could 'persuade' the relevant school or whatever, to pay £60 UKP EACH TIME!!! Separate ones for separate schools/centres etc this is probably why it just ain't gonna happen here in the UK!! Down off soapbox Sue in East Yorkshrie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I so agree Sue. Look at the cases in recent years where 'abusers' have had the necessary CRB checks and passed just because they 'lied' or something. I also believe it is basically a money making exercise. Retired people have the time and energy to go and teach lacemaking to children in schools. Maureen E Yorks UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Well, Sue, you've got an MP. WRITE! Let's have a Youtube when this question is asked in Parliament. A UNIFIED BACKGROUND CHECK FOR LACE TEACHERS!! Once and done, 5 pounds for an update every 3 years. Otherwise lacemaking will go the way of the dodo in 30 years. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where the background checks are portable, says DH. Only need one. -Original Message- From: Sue Duckles s...@duckles.co.uk Sent: Jul 9, 2013 4:32 AM To: Arachne lace@arachne.com lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Teaching children Hi All Been watching this thread with interest. I am enhanced CRB checked and do hold a current certificate however here in the UK it would only cover me for being a School Crossing Patrol! If I wanted to go into school to 'teach' then I should be CRB checked for that... if I wanted to work with 'vulnerable adults' in other centres again another CRB check would have to be made. Trusteeship of a group registered with the Charities Commission would need another CRB clearance All of which must be paid for by an organisation, and the paperwork can take up to 6 months!! This situation is rather ludicrous, as each of the above checks would be made by the SAME County Council!!! Now where is the sense in that?? IMHO it's a great way of raising extra money! Also, if someone is 'retired' or self-employed, there is NO WAY that they can get their employer to pay for a CRB clearance doesn't enter into the scheme! In other words, whereas I could potentially go into the community to teach lace because I'm 'employed' , someone else who is retired couldn't, unless they could 'persuade' the relevant school or whatever, to pay £60 UKP EACH TIME!!! Separate ones for separate schools/centres etc this is probably why it just ain't gonna happen here in the UK!! Down off soapbox Sue in East Yorkshrie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
Although I don't agree that you *have to be* a mathematician or scientist etc to be a good lacemaker, I am reasonably confident that a high percentage of those people who are bobbin lacemakers do have those inclinations and this may have been what Alex meant. Many times I have asked around a class what people's work is/was and the three fields that by far out number everything else are the already mentioned maths/science/computer specialities, medical/caring professions and teachers. Both the latter groups probably require at least a confidence with basic maths and science concepts. Myself, I loved geometry at school; it was so obvious how to work out angles and how to do all the clever drawings with only ruler and a pair of compasses. After school I went to art school to study fashion, but worked for years as a dispenser in a pharmacy. For quite a while I worked as a carer. After I did my teacher training with its awful analytical essays, I did Open University science as light relief; it was wonderful to be studying something where there were right and wrong answers. And from 10 years after leaving art school I was making my bobbin lace through all the rest. Just my observations, not meant to inflame or upset anyone. Cheers, Jacquie. Just spent a hot but enjoyable Lace Guild Exec meeting weekend at The Hollies. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hi Spiders, This theme has made me think! I was lucky enough to teach lace at a private school, in the after-school activities, and had so many children we had to have a 'helper' for me! I taught the Textiles class, and when some of the parents, children and staff knew I made lace (I made a treble clef for the music teacher) they were all very vocal in wanting a club - so, the school agreed, even bought several pillows and all the gear, and off we went. I did supply orange juice and biscuits - not chocolate ones! - and I am sure another of the attractions was that we had our own personalised sweat shirts too, which the children were allowed to wear at the club, but not in the school day. It was open to all from seven years old, and I had as many boys as girls, and I loved every second of it. The only thing which did get me extremely tetchy was when parents, guardians or nannies came in to collect children, and said 'Is that all you've done?' Maybe I was lucky, and I do think it is probably easier to start a lace club at a private school, rather than the local education authority school - private schools can be more innovative than the local authority will allow sometimes, but if there are any school fetes and summer events going on in your village/area etc., then offer to take pillows with wip, have-a-go pillows etc., and see what response you get - this is how I started at two local village schools, and they have been very successful indeed. Take care, keep on lacomg, and may your pins never bend! Carol - now in North Norfolk, UK. 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - Original Message - From: lynrbai...@desupernet.net lynrbai...@desupernet.net If you have an idea, please share. / walker.b...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hi Clay, Anna and other Arachnids, Most people have not reacted to this as it was not suggested that mathematicians or physicists make better lacemakers. The suggestion was that an argument that lacemaking MIGHT aid the development of mathematic/physics thinking as well as the artistic side in order to persuade schools to accept lace classes for the youngsters or even just an A4 poster to announce a children's group. It was also pointed out that it aided the development of precision movements which many children sadly lack these days. I am so sorry that the suggestions made by people to help persuade schools to open the doors have been misunderstood. Joepie in sunny Sussex, UK -Original Message- From: Clay Blackwell Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 1:57 AM To: Anna Binnie Cc: alexstillw...@talktalk.net ; Arachne reply ; Lyn Bailey Subject: Re: [lace] Teaching children Thanks, Anna!! I appreciate another voice who understands what I have said!! Generalities just don't apply to those who are skilled at making lace! Clay On 7/7/2013 8:03 PM, Anna Binnie wrote: On 7/07/13 11:13 PM, Clay Blackwell wrote: I am astonished that no one has challenged the notion that people with superior math/science/computer programming skills make the best lacemakers!! I've just logged on and yes I was totally affronted with that statement too. Let me put it in perspective I hold a PhD in Physics and I have taught physics for the last 20+ year to adults at university and children in high school. Good lacemakers are people who are naturally good at lacemaking REGARDLESS of other skills. One of the best lacemakers I know (her work is in the Powerhouse museum) is not mathematically great BUT she is trained in textiles and had spent her working life as a costume designer. I'm a good lacemaker BUT not the best. As an educator I hate cover all statements about ability in one area and success in another. Anna from a cold Sydney - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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On Jul 7, 2013, at 8:00 PM, lynrbai...@desupernet.net wrote: What skills does lacemaking develop that will benefit school age children? If you have an idea, please share. Off the top of my head: concentration, following instructions, both written and oral, hand-eye coordination, small motor skills. My lace teacher used to tell students that follow the dots pictures were learning experiences leading to following the numbered sequence for working a piece of lace. Cynthia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teaching children
Hello everybody, It would be lovely if children could have an afternoon to get to know lacemaking. Unfortunately in the UK and I wouldn#x27;t be surprised in a lot of other countries, all adults working with or teaching children need to be CBR checked. This means the person in question has to be checked if they have a criminal record. As you can understand, this is a lot of paperwork and extra cost for the school. So don#x27;t be to harsh on the schools. Also parents nowadays expect all adults, who work with children in after school activities or clubs, to be CBR checked as well. Apart from that, the school curriculum doesn#x27;t leave much room for the schools to do extra bits. For example,my daughter will do her GCSE history next year, it will only cover 1900 till today. So no chance to get a question on the lace industry. This sounds very pessimistic. But when I look at the lace clubs I go to, there is no reason for pessimism. Every year I see new faces and they are not all past their retirement age. Joke Sinclair - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hello Joke and everyone Your comment says it for me, I notice this also at lace days and other lace get-togethers: ...But when I look at the lace clubs I go to, there is no reason for pessimism. Every year I see new faces ... -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Dear Joke, I apologize, but your posting struck me the wrong way. I'm sitting here with tears of laughter running down my face, thinking, Rats, my extensive criminal convictions will not let me teach lace to children... I know it's serious, and probably expensive, but really, lacemakers going to schools to prey on young children? The thought is such an absurdity. I suppose there could be a predator out there, lurking amongst us lacemakers, but Please enjoy the joke with me. Lyn from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, who had the charges for failing to show her automobile insurance to the cop withdrawn today. Honestly. Joke wrote: It would be lovely if children could have an afternoon to get to know lacemaking. Unfortunately in the UK and I wouldn#x27;t be surprised in a lot of other countries, all adults working with or teaching children need to be CBR checked. This means the person in question has to be checked if they have a criminal record. As you can understand, this is a lot of paperwork and extra cost for the school. So don#x27;t be to harsh on the schools. Also parents nowadays expect all adults, who work with children in after school activities or clubs, to be CBR checked as well. My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hello Lyn, and everyone I volunteer with an out-reach program, visiting schools. As a matter of course, we agreed to a criminal records check at the onset of volunteering for the program. It probably helps that my program is sponsored by a creditable arts institution that can cover the expense of the records check. Make of that what you will, but that's the way it's done. To initiate a lacemaking club in a public school isn't as easy as it might sound, is it :( On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:20 PM, lynrbai...@desupernet.net wrote: Dear Joke, I apologize, but your posting struck me the wrong way. .. Joke wrote: Also parents nowadays expect all adults, who work with children in after school activities or clubs, to be CBR checked as well. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Joke wrote: Also parents nowadays expect all adults, who work with children in after school activities or clubs, to be CBR checked as well. In Australia anyone who works with children needs to get a police check done. It is standard for teachers, ancillary staff, volunteers and sports coaches even parent coaches. I laughed when my then 20 year old son needed police clearance to coach his sister's basketball team (the girls were all 17 or 18). It is no big deal since the schools/ departments of education have to do it. It has had an impact on our local lacemakers who teach children lacemaking during holidays and after school since we have to supply a list of all volunteers if we are visiting a local school, however some of our country groups have discussed the issue with the local police who have given them general guild lines to work with. Anna from a cold Sydney - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teaching children
Hi Lyn Re: Subject: [lace] Ancillary to Teaching Lace to Children Teaching lace to children is part of the survival of lacemaking. I have always thought that lacemaking, especially geometric Torchon, has the ability to help the mind work mathematically.. I am sure you are right. The best lacemakers are computer programmers, maths graduates and architects and anything that develops judgement of space and line is bound to help. Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I am one of those computer programmers and math types. I love making Pag needlelace because of the logic and geometric properties of it. In this part of my career, I no longer program but the lace fills that spot. I have had the same experience with demonstrating, the little boys pick it up quickly. From: alexstillw...@talktalk.net alexstillw...@talktalk.net To: Arachne reply lace@arachne.com Cc: Lyn Bailey lynrbai...@desupernet.net Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM Subject: [lace] Teaching children Hi Lyn Re: Subject: [lace] Ancillary to Teaching Lace to Children Teaching lace to children is part of the survival of lacemaking. I have always thought that lacemaking, especially geometric Torchon, has the ability to help the mind work mathematically.. I am sure you are right. The best lacemakers are computer programmers, maths graduates and architects and anything that develops judgement of space and line is bound to help. Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I am one of those computer programmers and math types. I love making Pag needlelace because of the logic and geometric properties of it. In this part of my career, I no longer program but the lace fills that spot. I have had the same experience with demonstrating, the little boys pick it up quickly. From: alexstillw...@talktalk.net alexstillw...@talktalk.net To: Arachne reply lace@arachne.com Cc: Lyn Bailey lynrbai...@desupernet.net Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM Subject: [lace] Teaching children Hi Lyn Re: Subject: [lace] Ancillary to Teaching Lace to Children Teaching lace to children is part of the survival of lacemaking. I have always thought that lacemaking, especially geometric Torchon, has the ability to help the mind work mathematically.. I am sure you are right. The best lacemakers are computer programmers, maths graduates and architects and anything that develops judgement of space and line is bound to help. Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Dear Alex et al, Precisely. It could be an 'in' at schools. I have not had any close connection with school children for over 10 years, but girls especially are not inclined to math. Presenting lacemaking, especially bobbin lacemaking as a way to develop spatial thinking, (physics?) or patterns, or algorithms through the visual manipulation of bobbins, using thread, the traditional (though not unique) province of the female could be a powerful way to introduce lacemaking into the schools, or at least get them to allow a poster advertising classes. And for those of you with children looking for masters or doctoral theses, this would be a good place. I am a wiz with math without numbers, but my last math class was 46 years ago, and while I use math, I am not familiar with the terms. What are the fancy math terms that could be used to show this is a craft with skills useful to the the core curriculum of schools? A means to possible entice reluctant girls to develop the skills needed in math and some of the sciences? Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where the weather continues hot, humid, and air conditioning is a blessing. Lyn wrote: Teaching lace to children is part of the survival of lacemaking. I have always thought that lacemaking, especially geometric Torchon, has the ability to help the mind work mathematically.. Alex wrote: I am sure you are right. The best lacemakers are computer programmers, maths graduates and architects and anything that develops judgement of space and line is bound to help. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I was lucky enough to demonstrate with my local group at a recent 'county' event. One of the group brought a 'have a go' pillow along and we asked anyone passing if they would like to try lacemaking. Adults and children alike tried the pillow. The adults would do a row and stop but the children wanted to keep going and had to be politely pulled away by their parents. There is something in lacemaking that children and young adults seem to be able to pick up quickly. I believe that no person who shows an interest in lacemaking should be turned away but I passionate believe that unless we can start lessons and clubs for children and young adults we will see this craft die in the next 10 to 20 years. Focusing on those who are retiring early, as was suggested to me because they have time and disposable income, is pointless in the UK as early retirement is becoming harder and harder. So this group is diminishing too. We must find a way to not merely super young Lacemakers but to actively increase them. I'm working with my local fibre store to run Saturday workshops for young adults. It gives us a ready made venue which is public and safe and not school nights easier to attend. I'm happy if we get new Lacemakers under the age of 25 and as we are a university town we have a big population in that demographic that we can pull on Kind Regards Liz Baker On 7 Jul 2013, at 06:51, alexstillw...@talktalk.net wrote: Hi Lyn Re: Subject: [lace] Ancillary to Teaching Lace to Children Teaching lace to children is part of the survival of lacemaking. I have always thought that lacemaking, especially geometric Torchon, has the ability to help the mind work mathematically.. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I am astonished that no one has challenged the notion that people with superior math/science/computer programming skills make the best lacemakers!! It may be that those who are making the claims happen to have those skills, but being able to execute a lace pattern is not the same as making it a thing of beauty, which separates the competent lacemaker from the extraordinary one. And it take an artist to design the lace in the first place. I would like to suggest that teaching children to make lace would broaden their horizons in many ways, allowing the potentials with which they were born to develop. Clay - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I no longer have a child in school, but I was talking to an elementary school teacher the other day. She made the interesting claim that now that penmanship is being de-emphasized in favor of key boarding, she observes that the children are not developing fine motor skills as in the past. In fact, she said some of them cannot even use scissors competently. I was actually never very good at penmanship myself, and wish they had abolished it earlier, but it is interesting to think that there might be a lot of people who are not developing fine motor skills as a result. Has this been observed by anyone else? Of course, nothing develops fine motor skills like lacemaking :-), so perhaps that is the in for the link to childhood education. On the other hand, if children are not developing fine motor skills, where will the lacemakers of tomorrow come from? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Dear Clay, et al, So, which horizons specifically would be broadened? If one is trying to promote lacemaking as a skill capable of developing other capabilities of the mind, to persuade educators and others to help with teaching children by promoting the craft, providing space, all that, one needs to be specific. Generalities do not work nearly as well in such an argument. lrb Clay wrote: I would like to suggest that teaching children to make lace would broaden their horizons in many ways, allowing the potentials with which they were born to develop. My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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It seems as though Scandinavian schools, in the past at least, had a crafts curriculum. When I was young a girl moved to our neighborhood from Norway. She had a complete set of doll clothes that she had knitted. When I asked her about it, she said she had knitted them in school. Why don't we do things like this in our school, I recall thinking. Later, I met a lacemaker who was Scandinavian, and she said she had learned bobbin lace, and many other crafts, because her best friend's mother was the administrator in charge of hand crafts for the local school district. I recall thinking, wow, they actually have such a position in schools there. So, what is the educational justification that Scandinavians use, or used for this curriculum? Do they still do it? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I wouldn't try to promote lacemaking as a way to develop other tangible life skills. The outcome is entirely dependent on the individual. What excites one person may drive another crazy. Don't let lacemaking go the same route as the forced piano lessons of childhood! Clay Sent from my iPad On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:48 AM, lynrbai...@desupernet.net wrote: Dear Clay, et al, So, which horizons specifically would be broadened? If one is trying to promote lacemaking as a skill capable of developing other capabilities of the mind, to persuade educators and others to help with teaching children by promoting the craft, providing space, all that, one needs to be specific. Generalities do not work nearly as well in such an argument. lrb Clay wrote: I would like to suggest that teaching children to make lace would broaden their horizons in many ways, allowing the potentials with which they were born to develop. My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hello Clay and everyone Yes, learning to make lace is best by choice. I like this : ... Don't let lacemaking go the same route as the forced piano lessons of childhood! -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Yes, but didn't this start out as a conversation about how to make that choice available to children in the face of an unsympathetic school district that would not allow the posting of an A2 piece of paper announcing the availability of children's lace lessons? Devon Hello Clay and everyone Yes, learning to make lace is best by choice. I like this : ... Don't let lacemaking go the same route as the forced piano lessons of childhood! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Good evening I have spent the last two days demonstrating lacemaking at our local garden centre which is really a converted greenhouse on what is probably the hottest weekend on this year's English summer and am happy to say that not only did we encourage one teenager yesterday to make a fish in lace and take home but today four children completed the fish as did one adult. There was lots of interest and we may well have a couple of ladies starting lace classes including the grandmother of the teenager from yesterday in the next couple of weeks with maybe more interested in starting in the future. The challenge is if they complete the fish they get to take it home to keep. I am keeping my fingers crossed. Regards Maureen E Yorks UK On 7 Jul 2013, at 19:47, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: Yes, but didn't this start out as a conversation about how to make that choice available to children in the face of an unsympathetic school district that would not allow the posting of an A2 piece of paper announcing the availability of children's lace lessons? Devon Hello Clay and everyone Yes, learning to make lace is best by choice. I like this : ... Don't let lacemaking go the same route as the forced piano lessons of childhood! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Well done! I hope they do come to your group. Joepie. -Original Message- From: Maureen Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 8:28 PM To: dmt11h...@aol.com Cc: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Teaching children Good evening I have spent the last two days demonstrating lacemaking at our local garden centre which is really a converted greenhouse on what is probably the hottest weekend on this year's English summer and am happy to say that not only did we encourage one teenager yesterday to make a fish in lace and take home but today four children completed the fish as did one adult. There was lots of interest and we may well have a couple of ladies starting lace classes including the grandmother of the teenager from yesterday in the next couple of weeks with maybe more interested in starting in the future. The challenge is if they complete the fish they get to take it home to keep. I am keeping my fingers crossed. Regards Maureen E Yorks UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Dear Maureen, Congratulations on a job well done. That took a lot of work, preparing and then being there, enticing, saying the right thing, encouraging. That is the way we will get our beloved craft/art to continue. Lyn Maureen wrote: I have spent the last two days demonstrating lacemaking at our local garden centre which is really a converted greenhouse on what is probably the hottest weekend on this year's English summer and am happy to say that not only did we encourage one teenager yesterday to make a fish in lace and take home but today four children completed the fish as did one adult. There was lots of interest and we may well have a couple of ladies starting lace classes including the grandmother of the teenager from yesterday in the next couple of weeks with maybe more interested in starting in the future. The challenge is if they complete the fish they get to take it home to keep. I am keeping my fingers crossed. My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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On 7/07/13 11:13 PM, Clay Blackwell wrote: I am astonished that no one has challenged the notion that people with superior math/science/computer programming skills make the best lacemakers!! I've just logged on and yes I was totally affronted with that statement too. Let me put it in perspective I hold a PhD in Physics and I have taught physics for the last 20+ year to adults at university and children in high school. Good lacemakers are people who are naturally good at lacemaking REGARDLESS of other skills. One of the best lacemakers I know (her work is in the Powerhouse museum) is not mathematically great BUT she is trained in textiles and had spent her working life as a costume designer. I'm a good lacemaker BUT not the best. As an educator I hate cover all statements about ability in one area and success in another. Anna from a cold Sydney - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Thanks, Anna!! I appreciate another voice who understands what I have said!! Generalities just don't apply to those who are skilled at making lace! Clay On 7/7/2013 8:03 PM, Anna Binnie wrote: On 7/07/13 11:13 PM, Clay Blackwell wrote: I am astonished that no one has challenged the notion that people with superior math/science/computer programming skills make the best lacemakers!! I've just logged on and yes I was totally affronted with that statement too. Let me put it in perspective I hold a PhD in Physics and I have taught physics for the last 20+ year to adults at university and children in high school. Good lacemakers are people who are naturally good at lacemaking REGARDLESS of other skills. One of the best lacemakers I know (her work is in the Powerhouse museum) is not mathematically great BUT she is trained in textiles and had spent her working life as a costume designer. I'm a good lacemaker BUT not the best. As an educator I hate cover all statements about ability in one area and success in another. Anna from a cold Sydney - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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If we get the lacemaking club to be on a par with the chess club, we will have succeeded beyond my wildest dreams. Probably beyond the wildest dreams of anyone. Let's begin by getting schools to allow a poster advertising a separate lace club. What skills does lacemaking develop that will benefit school age children? If you have an idea, please share. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, enjoying the first cool weather in several days. Thunderstorms have their uses. Bev wrote: Yes, learning to make lace is best by choice. I like this : ... Don't let lacemaking go the same route as the forced piano lessons of childhood! / walker.b...@gmail.com My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Well Done Sue!! Keep up the good work Daphne Norfolk Uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hi everyone, I have answered Bev privately since I'm on the digest and that one only arrived today. And to make a long story short, yes my dibble is exactly like the one shown on the website Bev mailed us. Have a look. It makes a bobbin when you screw a big screw in, perhaps not the best bobbin but when you have nothing else to play around with it probably will do. I haven't tried it out myself although it is on my list of to try.. Miriam in Arad, where autumn shows it first signs of arriving . Is your dibble like the wall anchor shown here: http://homerepair.about.com/od/interiorhomerepair/ss/wall_fastening_8.htm Another good idea! On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Miriam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As to bobbins. While on my tour with OIDFA this summer I saw a good idea for making your own bobbins. You use the plastic part which you knock into the wall, the piece you screw in your screw later , use a large screw and the part between the top of the screw and the plastic will hold your thread. It is what we call in Israel a dibble. - -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sister Claire, I have been making my own pillows for years. I just use the polystyrene you get for a few shekels at the building center and I cut it to shape. No need to sew a cover you just pin it on. When it is gone or the holes get too deep you throw it away. Not a big expanse. As the years passed I changed the design a bit. I used the thinner polystyrene but put another three layers in different sizes on it . The material I used was cut out of the backpackers mats, they are thin and hold the pins beautifully. As to bobbins. While on my tour with OIDFA this summer I saw a good idea for making your own bobbins. You use the plastic part which you knock into the wall, the piece you screw in your screw later , use a large screw and the part between the top of the screw and the plastic will hold your thread. It is what we call in Israel a dibble. You can also use pencils and cloths pegs for making bobbins, or use skewers with beads to make bobbins. Miriam who is enjoying a very quiet New Year - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thank you, thank you, thank you to everyone who so generously offered advice and support! The girls are going to be thrilled! I'm excited, too. It will be quite a challenge, teaching kids to lace when I've never had a real lesson myself! Thanks so much, Sr. Claire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Miriam and everyone Right - the camping mats are excellent for BL pillows. I made several round cookies from one, by stacking several layers in decreasing circumference. Fiddly to cut, but once firmly bound around a flat round they are nice and light. I stapled cloth over them, around to the bottom layer of heavy cardboard - which was also fiddly to cut. A square of layers would have been a lot easier, and work just as well, for a BL pillow. Is your dibble like the wall anchor shown here: http://homerepair.about.com/od/interiorhomerepair/ss/wall_fastening_8.htm Another good idea! On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Miriam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As to bobbins. While on my tour with OIDFA this summer I saw a good idea for making your own bobbins. You use the plastic part which you knock into the wall, the piece you screw in your screw later , use a large screw and the part between the top of the screw and the plastic will hold your thread. It is what we call in Israel a dibble. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Two young Palestinian girls (about 12 years old) were visiting me the other day and were enchanted with my lacemaking. They want to learn, I'll be happy to teach them. The problem is that neither their families nor I have the money to buy them starter kits. I was thinking. Would it work if for the first time or two that they come to me, I set up each one of them at opposite sides of a large cookie pillow on a small table between them? That would give me time to scout around for some kind of makeshift pillows I could rig for them. What do you think? (I only have two pillow myself - the cookie pillow, which I'm not using at the moment, and my tombolo for Cantù, which is in use.) Sr. Claire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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How lovely that they are interested. Yes, I've seen people working on the opposite side of the same pillow. I'm sure it's harder but better than nothing while you get them started. I taught children in an after-school class at the local school for a few years, and found the attached fish pattern by Sue Willis, to be about the right length to be completed in one lesson. Each lesson was 90 minutes long. I pre-wound the bobbins the first week, as that is not an exciting start to a lesson. First week was cloth stitch, 2nd week they worked it in cloth stitch and twist, 3rd week in half stitch. After that they could make some weed (with a footside) to make a picture or attach them to a hat or t-shirt. I am attaching my notes. I know these won't reach arachne, but I am assuming they will arrive in your own email address. I am attaching some instructions for making paper bobbins, which is something they could do at home between lessons to get their own bobbins. There are also instructions for bobbins made out of lollipop sticks and pony beads (but I can't find them - maybe someone else can forward them to you) Sue (in Illinois) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of Paper Bobbins by Brenda Paternoster.doc] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of Fish Wst instructions.doc] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Sister Claire, Any polystyrene will do, one can usually acquire it from an electrical goods shop, cover the piece with a cloth, this should last while they are learning, even bobbins can be improvised with a little ingenuity. Hope this helps. Best wishes Rosemary - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Sister Claire. Perhaps some of the purists of Arachne will tell me off for what I am going to say. But... I think that for a start, and not having proper pillows to teach, you could make a pillow from anything you have near. I started making bobbin lace with a piece of white polystyrene (the white material that covers most electrodomestics you buy. Often you can even find it in the rubbish containers in the street). You have to cut it the shape you need. In my case, as we use long vertical pillows in Spain, I cut a rectangular piece, put some newspapers in the middle of two pieces of this white stuff (to give it some weight), and covered it with a piece of dark cloth (no sewing necessary, just put pins in to hold it tight. That makes a cheap pillow and able to use for a start. After knowing if the girls like to continue with bobbin lace, you can think of making a better pillow filling it with straw of wood rests, depending of what you have more available. In fact, in old times, people made their pillows with whatever they had: here in my place they used straw, because this country grows lots of cereals. In other places they use wood dust, which you can usually get for free f you have a carpenter near. Hope this is useful to you. If you want more detailed instructions on how to make it, please ask me and I will tell you. Greetings from Antje, in Guadalajara, Spain - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Have you any odd bits of poltstyrene about your home?? If not you could ask at a shop for the polystyrene packaging. They usually throw it away anyway. Or a builders merchant which sells block of polystyrene. It will make two good pillows. I hope this helps you. Daphne Cold grey Norfolk England ---Original Message--- From: Sister Claire Date: 30/09/2008 15:03:09 To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Teaching children Two young Palestinian girls (about 12 years old) were visiting me the other day and were enchanted with my lacemaking. They want to learn, I'll be happy to teach them. The problem is that neither their families nor I have the money to buy them starter kits. I was thinking. Would it work if for the first time or two that they come to me, I set up each one of them at opposite sides of a large cookie pillow on a small table between them? That would give me time to scout around for some kind of makeshift pillows I could rig for them. What do you think? (I only have two pillow myself - the cookie pillow, which I'm not using at the moment, and my tombolo for Cantù, which is in use.) Sr. Claire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of imstp_animation_butterflies_en_020908.gif] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:18:27 +0100 From: Rosemary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace] Teaching children Hi :) I have found that the blue insulation boards that are sold at home improvement stores is great for making basic pillows for teaching and even for traveling places where you don't want your good pillows to go. It can be shaved/shaped to be a cookie and lasts better than standard styrafoam. I cut and shape them and then cover it with trigger usually. It seems to work and can be pretty cheap. Sometimes you can get pieces that are broken from the stores, so it can be even cheaper. It's not like you need a full 6-8ft piece... Mikki Griffin Fairbanks Alaska - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear Helen, my daughter, now 9, made her first attempts at age of 5. in between, i taught the first stitches to about ten more children, mostly during holidays, so there were only a few days to finish at least a little bookmark. Those children were from eight to ten years old. if possible, I take the snake, like Robin suggested, and let them start with CTC, because they *see* how he threads form the structure. At this age, most children have a little experience in weaving on a small hand loom, so they understand what they are doing. Let them take coloured passives after their own choice, and a working pair in different colour help and make individual snakes, although not all children need this. The snake pattern allows to introduce additional Ts to obtaine structure during the work- and again, they understand what they are doing. So, Alice, in my opinion, the best way to learn (or teach) something is neither start hard to enjoy later, nor make it as simple as possible for the little cuties. As children's brain capacities are usually underestimated, give them (as well as adults) something to understand the principles and teach them how to go on alone. There was a girl of 9 who sat at my side for hours, while i was making a small insertion in Tonder, some 20 pairs. After a while, she understood the CTTT point ground just from watching. I let her do some of the ground only areas on my lace, in 140 e.c, this was her first BL ever. She did it great, managed the footside only little after. My litle boy (now 7) has not the patience to make a whole pattern of his own. But he likes to help me and make a small area of CTpinCT for me ;-) A ten year old boy was watching last summer, again for hours, sitting opposite to me, a small table between us. When I gave him a start, he did al Cs and Ts in the wrong direction: just like he had seen them while watching from the back side. I was working an old Flemish pattern then, in linen 120/2, quite complicated. He could actually always show on the technical diagam where I was. And he never saw lacemaking before. Took him only minutes to learn the stitches the right way, and then he finished a snake. For me, it's important that they make something real. The snake. A sampler bookmark for grandma's borthday. An egg-shaped (or hen or rabbit or flower) tape for Easter.. introduce more than one stitch in a short time, so they have to think, see differences, realize that it's them who make the pattern. enjoy! Eva, from grey and wet Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
