Request For Comments: blueprint around Ideastorm idea

2007-09-19 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Hi!

I have been drafting a blueprint around Dell's Ideastorm idea.
Considering that the current means to get user wishes feedback is not
really good (see discussion in the blueprint) and considering
Ideastorm success for Dell, i was thinking of using this idea to
assess the user wishes.

Right now, when a **normal** user want to post a wish about ubuntu,
where does he go? (I emphasize the fact that I'm talking about normal
users, not power users.)
He goes to forums, where its posts is quickly lost in the mass. Or
*if he know about it*, he goes to the bug report system(bug! Not obvious!)
to post a wish. But this wish report hardly represent the size of the
wish.
Is only one person interested by this wish, or thousands? or more?

Consequently there is no real means to assess *quantitatively* and
*effectively* the users wishes and needs.
Thus the main guidelines of ubuntu development does not optimally
match the users demand.

Considering this, my blueprint try to propose a solution based on
Ideastorm idea, and reusing Launchpad framework.
Here it is :
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/better-community-wishes-assessment

I would really appreciate any comments on this, and you are welcome to
do some modifications you think appropriate. Especially I'd like to
hear from Launchpad guys about the feasibility, implementation of the
spec.

Thanks!

Nicolas Deschildre

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Re: Re: That need to close bugs?

2007-09-19 Thread gothicx
Hi!

The WONTFIX is only available for Ubuntu QA members :-)

Citando Christian Robottom Reis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 04:01:55AM -0500, Justin Dugger wrote:
 Firstly, I think it's a bit silly to be talking about WONTFIX when
 it's not a valid status I can find in Launchpad.  Currently, WONTFIX

 Uhm, there actually is a Won't Fix status in Launchpad. I'm not sure
 where you looked!
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Re: That need to close bugs?

2007-09-19 Thread Francis J. Lacoste
On September 19, 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!

 I think the new feature of LP 1.1.9 to automatically close bugs after  
 61 days, will be good to close most of non-important bugs.

 How about to introduce it also to Answers ? To get them expired...

This is already implemented. Questions that remain for 15 days without new 
comments in the 'Open' or 'Needs info' are automatically set to 'Expired'.

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Re: Re: That need to close bugs?

2007-09-19 Thread Christian Robottom Reis
On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 11:59:52AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How about to introduce it also to Answers ? To get them expired...

Well, Answers already offers this feature; it was actually the first
place where we offered it.
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Re: That need to close bugs?

2007-09-19 Thread Christian Robottom Reis
On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 04:01:55AM -0500, Justin Dugger wrote:
 Firstly, I think it's a bit silly to be talking about WONTFIX when
 it's not a valid status I can find in Launchpad.  Currently, WONTFIX

Uhm, there actually is a Won't Fix status in Launchpad. I'm not sure
where you looked!
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PPA TOS and license requirements

2007-09-19 Thread Jordan Mantha
HI all,

We really need clarify and nail down the acceptable licenses part of
the PPA TOS and PPAQuickStart page. Right now the TOS has:

You understand and agree that any content you upload to PPAs must be
freely redistributable by Canonical, and licensed under any OSI
approved license. http://opensource.org/licenses/category;

The PPAQuickStart page has:

An APT repository of up to 1 gigabyte for material licensed with an
[WWW] OSI-approved licence.

and further down in the FAQ

Please do not publish packages in your PPA which are not
redistributable (the basic requirement for packages in Ubuntu).

Now, since the TOS is authoritative then the FAQ part of PPAQuickStart
is not correct.

Overall though, IMO, both statements (OSI approved and
redistributable) are two extremes and neither are what is intended.
The point was that the software should be Free/Libre/Open Source
Software, unless I'm mistaken. The OSI approved license list doesn't
include important licenses such as Creative Commons that *are* used in
Ubuntu. The redistributable requirement says nothing towards
Freeness. This could include redistributable closed-source
applications such as you might find in the Multiverse repository.

So, it's very important to have a clear and consistent license policy
for PPAs. I'm pretty sure quite a few people have already violated the
TOS based on the redistributable statement.

-Jordan.

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Re: PPA TOS and license requirements

2007-09-19 Thread Joey Stanford
Good points.  I'll take this one on.

On 9/19/07, Jordan Mantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 HI all,

 We really need clarify and nail down the acceptable licenses part of
 the PPA TOS and PPAQuickStart page. Right now the TOS has:

 You understand and agree that any content you upload to PPAs must be
 freely redistributable by Canonical, and licensed under any OSI
 approved license. http://opensource.org/licenses/category;

 The PPAQuickStart page has:

 An APT repository of up to 1 gigabyte for material licensed with an
 [WWW] OSI-approved licence.

 and further down in the FAQ

 Please do not publish packages in your PPA which are not
 redistributable (the basic requirement for packages in Ubuntu).

 Now, since the TOS is authoritative then the FAQ part of PPAQuickStart
 is not correct.

 Overall though, IMO, both statements (OSI approved and
 redistributable) are two extremes and neither are what is intended.
 The point was that the software should be Free/Libre/Open Source
 Software, unless I'm mistaken. The OSI approved license list doesn't
 include important licenses such as Creative Commons that *are* used in
 Ubuntu. The redistributable requirement says nothing towards
 Freeness. This could include redistributable closed-source
 applications such as you might find in the Multiverse repository.

 So, it's very important to have a clear and consistent license policy
 for PPAs. I'm pretty sure quite a few people have already violated the
 TOS based on the redistributable statement.

 -Jordan.

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Re: Initial Launchpad feedback

2007-09-19 Thread Christian Robottom Reis
On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 08:40:46PM -0500, Anthony Yarusso wrote:
 15:23  kiko tonyyarusso, dapper isn't supported.
 15:24  mpt kiko, is that written anywhere (other than the logs of
 this IRC channel)?

Embarassing! It wasn't written down because I was confused; we do
support dapper. Tony, give your package upload another try and let's try
and diagnose what the failure was.

Sorry.
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