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Mike Kaganski committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

https://git.libreoffice.org/core/commit/840db2a536938a8c6fa6018db48e4a6dd419db9b

Related: tdf#82184: consider installer language for UI list to install

It will be available in 7.1.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
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Eike Rathke committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "libreoffice-6-2":

https://git.libreoffice.org/core/+/8d8a759da7ca6d2ae9aa53986d40cbbd106ffb86%5E%21

Related: tdf#82184 correct wrong or obsoleted LCIDs for MSI

It will be available in 6.2.4.

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--- Comment #34 from Commit Notification 
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Eike Rathke committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

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Related: tdf#82184 correct wrong or obsoleted LCIDs for MSI

It will be available in 6.3.0.

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Would be appreciated if you could test MSI with
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--- Comment #32 from Eike Rathke  ---
The 1084 case was Gaelic (Scotland) gd-GB, see bug 124791.

The other #N/A cases almost all are/were user defined LCIDs MS doesn't/didn't
have LCIDs for the language/locale:

1610 ast-ES Asturian
1603 brx-IN Bodo
1604 dgo-IN Dogri
1553 eo Esperanto
1625 kab-DZ Kabyle <<< should now be 2143 (0x085F)
1574 kmr-Latn-TR
1605 mai-IN Maithili
1112 mni-IN Manipuri <<< MS lists it (0x0458) as reserved for mni-IN
1580 nr-ZA Ndebele, South
2162 <<< there is no such thing, we don't define it and MS doesn't either, but
it's wrongly used (since f586a64f8fcae5d342bf3323bb367b9b048de384) for om-ET
Oromo, which is 1138 (0x0472)
1569 rw-RW Kinyarwanda <<< should now be 1159 (0x0487)
1606 sat-IN Santali
1113 sd-Deva-IN Sindhi, Devanagari <<< MS lists it (0x0459) as reserved for
sd-Deva-IN
2133 <<< there is no such thing, we don't define it and MS doesn't either, but
it's wrongly used (since f586a64f8fcae5d342bf3323bb367b9b048de384) for si-LK
Sinhala, which should be 1115 (0x045B)
1669 sid-ET Sidama
1579 ss-ZA Swazi
1685 vec-IT Venetian

So, altogether there are four that need to be changed in
l10ntools/source/ulfconv/msi-encodinglist.txt

kab 0 1625 <<< should now be 2143
rw 0 1569 <<< should now be 1159
om 0 2162 <<< should be 1138
si 0 2133 <<< should be 1115

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--- Comment #31 from Mike Kaganski  ---
FTR: here is the list of LO *installer* UI language codes (from MSI summary
information), along with their meaning as per [MS-LCID]:

> 1033  English (United States)
> 1078  Afrikaans (South Africa)
> 1118  Amharic (Ethiopia)
> 1025  Arabic (Saudi Arabia)
> 1101  Assamese (India)
> 1610  #N/A
> 1059  Belarusian (Belarus)
> 1026  Bulgarian (Bulgaria)
> 2117  Bangla (Bangladesh)
> 1093  Bangla (India)
> 2121  Tamil (Sri Lanka)
> 1150  Breton (France)
> 1603  #N/A
> 5146  Bosnian (Latin) (Bosnia and Herzegovina)
> 1027  Catalan (Spain)
> 2051  Valencian (Spain)
> 1029  Czech (Czech Republic)
> 1106  Welsh (United Kingdom)
> 1030  Danish (Denmark)
> 1031  German (Germany)
> 1604  #N/A
> 3153  Dzongkha (Bhutan)
> 1032  Greek (Greece)
> 2057  English (United Kingdom)
> 7177  English (South Africa)
> 1553  #N/A
> 1034  Spanish (Spain)
> 1061  Estonian (Estonia)
> 1069  Basque (Spain)
> 1065  Persian (Iran)
> 1035  Finnish (Finland)
> 1036  French (France)
> 1122  Frisian (Netherlands)
> 2108  Irish (Ireland)
> 1084  #N/A
> 1110  Galician (Spain)
> 1095  Gujarati (India)
> 1140  Guarani (Paraguay)
> 1037  Hebrew (Israel)
> 1070  Upper Sorbian (Germany)
> 1081  Hindi (India)
> 1050  Croatian (Croatia)
> 1038  Hungarian (Hungary)
> 1057  Indonesian (Indonesia)
> 1039  Icelandic (Iceland)
> 1040  Italian (Italy)
> 1041  Japanese (Japan)
> 1079  Georgian (Georgia)
> 1625  #N/A
> 1087  Kazakh (Kazakhstan)
> 1107  Khmer (Cambodia)
> 1574  #N/A
> 1099  Kannada (India)
> 1042  Korean (Korea)
>   Konkani (India)
> 1120  Kashmiri (Perso-Arabic)
> 1134  Luxembourgish (Luxembourg)
> 1108  Lao (Lao P.D.R.)
> 1063  Lithuanian (Lithuania)
> 1062  Latvian (Latvia)
> 1605  #N/A
> 1071  Macedonian (North Macedonia)
> 1100  Malayalam (India)
> 1104  Mongolian (Cyrillic) (Mongolia)
> 1112  #N/A
> 1102  Marathi (India)
> 1109  Burmese (Myanmar)
> 1044  Norwegian (Bokmal) (Norway)
> 1121  Nepali (Nepal)
> 1043  Dutch (Netherlands)
> 2068  Norwegian (Nynorsk) (Norway)
> 1580  #N/A
> 1132  Sesotho sa Leboa (South Africa)
> 1154  Occitan (France)
> 2162  #N/A
> 1096  Odia (India)
> 1094  Punjabi (India)
> 1045  Polish (Poland)
> 2070  Portuguese (Portugal)
> 1046  Portuguese (Brazil)
> 1048  Romanian (Romania)
> 1049  Russian (Russia)
> 1569  #N/A
> 1103  Sanskrit (India)
> 1606  #N/A
> 1113  #N/A
> 2074  Serbian (Latin) (Serbia and Montenegro (Former))
> 2133  #N/A
> 1669  #N/A
> 1051  Slovak (Slovakia)
> 1060  Slovenian (Slovenia)
> 1052  Albanian (Albania)
> 3098  Serbian (Cyrillic) (Serbia and Montenegro (Former))
> 1579  #N/A
> 1072  Sotho (South Africa)
> 1053  Swedish (Sweden)
> 1089  Kiswahili (Kenya)
> 1097  Tamil (India)
> 1098  Telugu (India)
> 1064  Tajik (Cyrillic) (Tajikistan)
> 1054  Thai (Thailand)
> 1074  Setswana (South Africa)
> 1055  Turkish (Turkey)
> 1073  Tsonga (South Africa)
> 1092  Tatar (Russia)
> 1152  Uyghur (People's Republic of China)
> 1058  Ukrainian (Ukraine)
> 1091  Uzbek (Latin) (Uzbekistan)
> 1075  Venda (South Africa)
> 1685  #N/A
> 1066  Vietnamese (Vietnam)
> 1076  Xhosa (South Africa)
> 2052  Chinese (Simplified) (People's Republic of China)
> 3076  Chinese (Traditional) (Hong Kong S.A.R.)
> 5124  Chinese (Traditional) (Macao S.A.R.)
> 1028  Chinese (Traditional) (Taiwan)
> 1077  Zulu (South Africa)

It seems that there's no Gaelic there; or one of the "#N/A" codes might
(wrongly?) be used for Gaelic, thus preventing proper identification.

In former case, it's not a bug, but just a missing localization of installer
(volunteer translators are always welcome). In the latter, in case a proper bug
report appears, it might be fixed.

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--- Comment #30 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Michael Bauer from comment #29)

It does. If for your language, it  doesn't happen, that is a bug, which you are
advised to file separately, stating the specific settings that don't end up
with a desired result.

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--- Comment #29 from Michael Bauer  ---
>1. Installer UI language (on Windows; the bug is about MSI) depends not on OS 
>language, but on the language set at "Region and Language" -> "Format" 

Clearly it doesn't because Gaelic is set as the language in Region and Language
too.

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--- Comment #28 from Mike Kaganski  ---
Some technical details:

1. Installer UI language (on Windows; the bug is about MSI) depends not on OS
language, but on the language set at "Region and Language" -> "Format"
(accessible using intl.cpl command line). That is per-user setting. One might
set the language there once, and if required, change all settings there
manually to have, e.g., Croatian language + en_UK decimal separator settings.
2. Creating an additional installer screen (or better re-using existing
"Welcome to the installation Wizard" screen) to place language selector (along
with the text like "you may select the language of LibreOffice UI to install
here - which is a shortcut for UI selection available under Advanced") is
possible; feel free to jump in and make it happen. Personally I could provide
you with advises; however, that's not an easy hack in my view.
3. However, selecting the language there *can not* change installer UI. This is
limitation of MSI technology; and the only workaround is some bootstrap
application mentioned in comment 6. Creating such bootstrap would be another,
even bigger task. To choose installer UI language without changing Language ->
Format, one may use ProductLanguage property with *decimal* [MS-LCID] value for
any language supported by installer and OS (shown en_US; note that link below
lists LCIDs in hexadecimal):

> msiexec /i LibreOffice_X.Y.Z_Win_x64.msi ProductLanguage=1033

[MS-LCID]
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/openspecs/windows_protocols/ms-lcid/a9eac961-e77d-41a6-90a5-ce1a8b0cdb9c

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--- Comment #27 from Michael Bauer  ---
Did a complete uninstall of LibreOffice, went to the website, specifyied Scots
Gaelic, downloaded 6.1.2, ran the default install, boom, English. Had to go to
Modify to get Gaelic after installation.

Windows 10 with the Scots Gaelic langpack installed and set to default. So it's
not even picking up on the system locale.

So yes, this issue persists.

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--- Comment #25 from Michael Bauer  ---
It's still an issue. I'm really surprised it still is though, as this
represents an unnecessarily high barrier to new low-tech users.

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It's still an issue

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--- Comment #17 from Urmas davian...@gmail.com ---
User locale, system locale and windows UI language are different things.

 often find new laptops on the shelves, which are produced for Scandinavian 
 market. Guess if the buyer can choose Lithuanian as the UI language in these.

Why? If the administrator has selected Lithuanian locale (just for himself), LO
will preselect Lithuanian UI no matter what Windows is localized in.

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--- Comment #18 from Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org ---
Will you quit going on about Windows? LO is a cross-platform product so to
begin with, we need to consider Win/Mac/Linux.

And you keep ignoring the point that there are many locales which just don't
exist on at least one of them. The locales you're offered depend on the amount
of weed the developer in question was smoking.

And you also keep ignoring the fact that most users haven't got a CLUE what a
locale is or where to set it. Which means that although in the UK we have at
least 7 locales (Scottish Gaelic, Irish, Manx, Cornish, Jerriais, Welsh and
English UK), most systems are set to English UK because that's what the default
was. Not that any OS (apart from Linux perhaps) even offers Jerriais or
Cornish.

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--- Comment #19 from Mikeyy - L10n HR mihovil.sta...@gmail.com ---
Not sure if that's same guy which was trolling on mailing lists, but I think he
is trolling you right now. :)

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--- Comment #20 from Urmas davian...@gmail.com ---
 Will you quit going on about Windows?

This bug is about Windows-only MSI installer.

And you keep ignoring the point that there are many locales which just don't
exist on at least one of them. The locales you're offered depend on the amount
of weed the developer in question was smoking.

 Not that any OS (apart from Linux perhaps) even offers Jerriais or Cornish.

And the last thing they need is LO in Jerriais.

You are trying to inconvenience EVERYONE using English, Spanish or Russian
language software so some Cornish ultranationalist would be spared 3
mouseclicks?
Are you serious?

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--- Comment #21 from Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org ---
Urmas, I will ignore anything you say from now on. Fortunately I've been around
LO long enough to know that your extremist view is not generally held. Good
luck with all that hate.

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--- Comment #14 from Rimas Kudelis r...@akl.lt ---
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 Normal people have to think about the language 1 (one) time only: on the
 Welcome screen of Windows install DVD. 

This is not entirely true. While countries which constitute big markets almost
always get new computers tailored for them (with the right keyboard layout
printed, right languages available to choose during first run, right manuals
printed and so on), smaller markets are not always privileged with such
attention. In Lithuania, for example, you can (or at least could, a couple
years ago) often find new laptops on the shelves, which are produced for
Scandinavian market. Guess if the buyer can choose Lithuanian as the UI
language in these. Of course not.

And for minority languages, to which Windows is not localized at all, the
situation is even worse.

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--- Comment #15 from Mikeyy - L10n HR mihovil.sta...@gmail.com ---
In Croatia it's common to have english Windows UI with croatian keyboard
layout.
We have croatian language pack for Windows UI, but I guess people which install
it don't like it translated...

For example my company laptop has that setup, and I didn't install Windows
there.
This results in LibreOffice UI in english with localisation preferences in
croatian.
I know how to change it, but I see a lot of people in company using LO in
english since they don't even know they can change language which has
automaticly been choosen.

Place language chooser on first page of install screen. There a load of exuses
here why not to do it, but any choosing option on first page is better then
none.
If you have language names translated, even if people don't understand question
written in english (or whatever other language), they will eventualy figure it
out when they see their language name in their language.

Maybe you can have 2 languages shown on same screen by default, windows UI
language and keyboard language, and then rest of languages.

For example, this would be dropdown menu for my install on Windows 7, UI =
English US, keyboard = Croatian HR:

English (US)
Hrvatski
--
Deutsch
English (UK)
English (US)
Francais
Hrvatski

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--- Comment #16 from Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org ---
We're not just talking minority languages here either. There are many huge
languages which are almost totally unsupported like Javanese (82 million
speakers), Oromo (24m), Chichewa (12m), Sundanese (38m), Fula (25m)... it's a
long list before you get to languages below 1m even.

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--- Comment #10 from Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org ---
At the risk of repeating myself: it removes user control over the UI language
and it only caters well for monolingual speakers of really big languages. 

So if you're a German-only speaker on a German OS then you're dandy. 

If you're a Sorbian speaker in Germany on a German OS because there is no OS in
your language or because you don't have the right hardware for the langpack for
your language, you have a very frustrating experience of getting LO in the
language you want. That applies to a LOT of potential users.

We also had the case where someone was working on a company PC which had
Chinese as an OS language but he actually wanted it in English but because the
installer 'assumed' wrongly, he ended up with it in Chinese and of course once
you have installed LO
(http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/9648/simplifying-the-setting-for-installation-language/),
there is no way of *adding* a langpack via settings, you have to run the
installer again and you still have to guess that you need to run Custom
Install.

I end up putting in twice as much time promoting LO than, for example, VLC in
my locale. With VLC I just have to describe the install process and then
explain how to change the UI language in Settings. With LO I have to describe a
really complex dance through Custom Install and I'm forever getting phonecalls
and emails saying 'I installed LO because I heard from a friend its in Gaelic
but it only comes up in English'. And not a single one, after I walk them
through it, goes 'oh fair enough', they ALL go 'why is it this complicated to
select your language?'

Other possibilities that we might contemplate: 

Allow download of langpack (like downloading addons from the addon site) if the
user selects a language in Settings (after install) that was not installed.

Run some pre-installer. I don't know how it works but sometimes when the actual
installer is really big, you get to download a much smaller file which walks
you through some questions before it actually downloads the installation files.
Or perhaps a first-run dialogue which offers the user to set the UI language
and downloads if necessary?

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--- Comment #11 from Sveinn í Felli s...@fellsnet.is ---
(In reply to comment #9)
 What's wrong with the current situation where the language preference of the
 system administrator and the system locale define the UI languages installed?

Well, there are several scenarios:

-When your locale is not well supported in the OS
-When you want LO to be in another language than imposed by the OS (think about
foreign language teachers in schools, or translators)
-When you want to be able to fine-tune multi language environments

The reason for offering such possibilities in LO is plain politeness.

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--- Comment #12 from Urmas davian...@gmail.com ---
Normal people have to think about the language 1 (one) time only: on the
Welcome screen of Windows install DVD. The installation process is intended to
be simple for normal people. There is a *custom* installation option for
fantastic scenarios affecting fractions of a percent you describe here.

Also, there are some attempts at disinformation here which I will address:

(1) LO can be easily installed with any UI language on the Chinese system;
(2) Gaelic language (LCID 0x043C) is trivial to be selected as the system
locale; if LO doesn't use it, it is a bug.

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--- Comment #13 from Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org ---
Not anymore. Windows *installs* only in about 6 languages these day, English,
German, Chinese and a couple of others. Virtually *all* other languages from
Win 7 onwards are handled by langpacks which the user has to install
afterwards. Not that that's really relevant.

The problem with custom installation (which is NOT fantastic by the way) is
that anyone not working on LO does not expect the language selection to be
there. You have to know. Or spend hours googling the problem. Or call/email
people like me who have to spend 20 (unpaid) minutes talking them through
something that should be obvious during installation. Oh and having to
apologize several times for it being so unintuitive.

And you completely ignore the fact that LO comes in more languages that you get
OS in. Especially on Mac.

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   Keywords||l10n

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--- Comment #1 from Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org ---
This bug is related to the website, as such it should go to Redmine.

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--- Comment #2 from Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org ---
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 This bug is related to the website, as such it should go to Redmine.

No this is not primarily about the website. It is primarily about the LO
*installer* and only tangentially involves the website.

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(didn't we already have a bug for this?)

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--- Comment #4 from Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org ---
I can't find one, even amongst closed bugs and Sveinn also couldn't find one.

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--- Comment #5 from Mikeyy - L10n HR mihovil.sta...@gmail.com ---
My suggestion:

First screen from installer should be.

Please choose your LibreOffice language:

And then dropdown menu with localised language names sorted in alphabetical
order.


Deutsch
English (UK)
English (US)
Francais
Hrvatski


Or english - locale


Croatian - Hrvatski
English (UK)
English (US)
French - Francais
German - Deutsch


And default selection (already selected) should be sistem (OS) language.

From there everything should be in selected language, from installation to
LibreOffice UI and localization options.

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--- Comment #6 from Christian Lohmaier lohma...@gmx.de ---
modifying the download as it happens is a no-go. Virus scanners would go nuts,
you could not provide checksums/verification, digital signatures would be
invalidated.

Listing languages to pick will also present the user with an English
greeting/instructions to pick a language, so only helps partially, as a
shortcut to the customized installation. So it could just tell to pick
custom install and select the language(s) to install right away without
/that/ much of a difference (IMHO).
Ordering/romanization/labels of languages differ. So providing a list to pick
from in effect forces to pick from English terms for the languages, even if
started in a locale where auto-selecting the language of the installer would
work.

A localized dummy-installer (i.e. single-language, the one that was selected on
the dl-page) that in turn calls the actual installer with some magic to select
the language also isn't that nice, as it is an additional download or a web
installer like thing that would need to download the real installer. This
makes installing to multiple systems more complicated.

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--- Comment #7 from Sveinn í Felli s...@fellsnet.is ---
Some additional info can be found in this thread:
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-l10n-Localisation-gone-wild-tt4042744.html#none

Especially the post:  Mar 11, 2013; 9:37pm from Andras Timar. Seconded by post 
Mar 12, 2013; 7:55am from Andras.

See also Bug 50509 - Language selection is not possible with silent install,
there are some useful pointers. 

So the matter is about MSI-packaging (and possibly a Windows bug)

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--- Comment #8 from Rimas Kudelis r...@akl.lt ---
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 Listing languages to pick will also present the user with an English
 greeting/instructions to pick a language, so only helps partially, as a
 shortcut to the customized installation. So it could just tell to pick
 custom install and select the language(s) to install right away without
 /that/ much of a difference (IMHO).

No, the dialog should be shown in the autodetected (system) locale. It could
say something like Please choose your preferred UI language. It will be used
by the installer and installed with LibreOffice by default. The choice made
there should change the installer language and alter the defaults at run-time,
so that the user would NOT have to choose custom installation if they only care
about that one language.

From my understanding, the current defaults are to install en-US and system
locale. We could either replace system locale in this list with chosen
locale, or simply add chosen locale to it.

Of course, that's assuming this is all possible with MSI.

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--- Comment #9 from Urmas davian...@gmail.com ---
What's wrong with the current situation where the language preference of the
system administrator and the system locale define the UI languages installed?

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