\RemoveAllEmptyStaves and Dyanmics context line for piano pedals

[Andrew Bernard]

I have a piano score which uses \RemoveAllEmpyStaves to remove staves where
there is only activity in one staff. This works very nicely of course. I
generally use a Dynamics context for pedalling, using sustain on and off
events attached to spacer rests. This works perfectly of course also. Bu
tinthis case, the pedal line does not show up as the \RemoveAllEmpty Staves
deletes it. Had me puzzled all day until I figured that.

But now I find the \RemoveEmptyStaves works and does not delete the pedal
line. The NR says (A.20):

RemoveAllEmptyStaves

Remove staves which are considered to be empty according to the list of
interfaces set by keepAliveInterfaces, including those in the first system.

Sets grob property remove-empty in VerticalAxisGroup to #t.
Sets grob property remove-first in VerticalAxisGroup to #t.

RemoveEmptyStaves

Remove staves which are considered to be empty according to the list of
interfaces set by keepAliveInterfaces.

Sets grob property remove-empty in VerticalAxisGroup to #t.

Could somebody help me understand this? I can't quite see what the
difference is between the keepAliveInterdfaces list is in the two cases. Or
is it that
RemoveAllEmptyStaves 'forcibly' removes the first staff?

Andrew
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Re: Left align first note of every system with its lyric

[David Nalesnik]

Hi Benjamin,

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Benjamin Bloomfield  wrote:
> I've been trying to figure out a way to force left-alignment
> (LyricText.self-alignment-X = -1) on just the lyrics associated with the
> first notes of every system, but I haven't been able to get it working.
> What I was trying was overriding LyricText.after-line-breaking with a
> callback function to set self-alignment-X if it came immediately after a
> line break.
>
> However, this isn't working.  Does anyone have some idea of a way to achieve
> this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Benjamin Bloomfield
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Maybe the following thread will help:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2013-05/msg00609.html

-David

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Left align first note of every system with its lyric

[Benjamin Bloomfield]

I've been trying to figure out a way to force left-alignment
(LyricText.self-alignment-X = -1) on just the lyrics associated with the
first notes of every system, but I haven't been able to get it working.
What I was trying was overriding LyricText.after-line-breaking with a
callback function to set self-alignment-X if it came immediately after a
line break.

However, this isn't working.  Does anyone have some idea of a way to
achieve this?

Thanks,

*Benjamin Bloomfield*
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Re: missing document browser

[Ben]

On 2/9/2018 11:16 AM, Daryls_Produce wrote:

Hi All:

Although "Document Browser" is checked under the tools pull down list, I
don't have the Document Browser.

Can anybody suggest what I should to to restore it?

Thanks,
Daryl's Roadside Honor System Vegetable Stand and Dairy Produce




If you are in Frescobaldi, all I can think of is
1) your firewall is blocking internet access
or
2) you have minimized the docked window for the DB and maybe isn't 
visible or expanded?

or
both...?


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Re: missing document browser

[Ben]

On 2/9/2018 11:16 AM, Daryls_Produce wrote:

Hi All:

Although "Document Browser" is checked under the tools pull down list, I
don't have the Document Browser.

Thanks,
Daryl's Roadside Honor System Vegetable Stand and Dairy Produce





I'm sorry, what? Are you in Frescobaldi, is that what you mean?
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missing document browser

[Daryls_Produce]

Hi All:

Although "Document Browser" is checked under the tools pull down list, I
don't have the Document Browser.

Can anybody suggest what I should to to restore it?

Thanks,
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Re: Piano staff notes across both staffs, another problem

[Thomas Morley]

2018-02-09 16:16 GMT+01:00 Andrew Bernard :
> Hi Robert,
>
> This perhaps. By no means unacceptable.
>
> ===
> \version "2.19.81"
>
> treble = {
>   \clef treble
>   \time 3/4
>   <<
> {
>   \voiceTwo
>   f'4\rest \crossStaff { 4   } |
> }
> \new Voice
> {
> }
>   >>
> }
>
> bass = {
>   \clef bass
>
>   \time 3/4
>   <<
> {
>   \voiceTwo
>   c2.
> }
> \new Voice
> {
>   \voiceFour
>   a4\rest a4 b |
> }
> \new Voice
> {
>   \voiceTwo
>   s4
>   \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = -1.9
>   \once \hide Stem
>   bes4
>   \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = -1.9
>   \once \hide Stem
>   c'
> }
>   >>
>
> }
>
> \score {
>
>   \new PianoStaff
>   <<
> \new Staff = "treble" \with {
> }
> { \treble }
>
> \new Staff = "bass" \with {
> }
> { \bass }
>   >>
>
>   \layout {
>
> \context {
>   \PianoStaff
>   \consists #Span_stem_engraver
> }
>
>   }
> }
>
> ===


Hi Andrew,

why not:

treble = {
  \time 3/4
  \voiceTwo
  \crossStaff { r4    } |
}

bass = {
  \clef bass

  \time 3/4
  <<
{
  \voiceTwo
  c2.
}
\new Voice
{
  \voiceFour
  a4\rest 4  |
}
  >>
}

\score {

  \new PianoStaff
<<
  \new Staff \treble

  \new Staff \bass
>>

  \layout {
\context {
  \PianoStaff
  \consists #Span_stem_engraver
}
  }
}

Cheers,
  Harm

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Re: Change the shape of treble clef

[Andrew Bernard]

Hi David,

You give most fantastic and beneficial value and support to the community
and application. Rest assured it is appreciated.

Andrew
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Re: Piano staff notes across both staffs, another problem

[Andrew Bernard]

Hi Robert,

This perhaps. By no means unacceptable.

===
\version "2.19.81"

treble = {
  \clef treble
  \time 3/4
  <<
{
  \voiceTwo
  f'4\rest \crossStaff { 4   } |
}
\new Voice
{
}
  >>
}

bass = {
  \clef bass

  \time 3/4
  <<
{
  \voiceTwo
  c2.
}
\new Voice
{
  \voiceFour
  a4\rest a4 b |
}
\new Voice
{
  \voiceTwo
  s4
  \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = -1.9
  \once \hide Stem
  bes4
  \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = -1.9
  \once \hide Stem
  c'
}
  >>

}

\score {

  \new PianoStaff
  <<
\new Staff = "treble" \with {
}
{ \treble }

\new Staff = "bass" \with {
}
{ \bass }
  >>

  \layout {

\context {
  \PianoStaff
  \consists #Span_stem_engraver
}

  }
}

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Re: Piano staff notes across both staffs, another problem

[Robert Blackstone]

Hi Andrew,
Thanks for your replies.
I understand that what I want is, in LilyPond, impossible by regular means, 
and/or unusual if realized by a weird trick, moving a note-head to the wrong 
side of the stem. That would be rather ugly, I think.

Still, what I want to do is not my idea. To illustrate what I'm talking about I 
will have to include two more screenshots from serious publications.

 and . 
Different works from the same composer.
Does it look wrong or repulsive? 
Would it really be impossible to realize it in LilyPond? 
Btw, I just see another posible dirty trick to realize it. 

Thanks anyway,

Best regards,

Robert Blackstone
On 9 Feb 2018, at 13:29 , Andrew Bernard  wrote:

> Hi Robert,
> 
> It would be unusual to glue stems together as you are suggesting, if I 
> understand what you want correctly. To use the crossStaff construct the stems 
> have to be in the same direction. No negotiation. :-) 
> 
> If you really wanted to insist, there are examples of how to move individual 
> noteheads in chords from one side of a stem to another on LSR, but I can't 
> say that this would result on notation in this example that players would be 
> expecting or comfortable with. My principal aim in engraving is to increase 
> clarity, and I fell that non standard constructs reduce clarity and make the 
> music slower to read.
> 
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 

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Re: Phrasing slur with multiple voices

[Andrew Bernard]

Something like this perhaps. You can tune the slur shape better than my
rough example.

===
\version "2.19.81"

{
  \time 2/4
  \clef treble
  <<
{
  \voiceOne
  \shape #'((0 . 0.5) (0 . 0.5) (4 . 1) (3 . -3)) Slur
  4^(   |
   a') |
}
\new Voice
{
  \voiceThree
  \stemDown
  s2 s4 ces'4 |
}
\new Voice
{
  \voiceTwo
  \stemDown
  s2
  s4 g'8 f' |
}
  >>
}

===
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Re: Phrasing slur with multiple voices

[Andrew Bernard]

Sorry Brian, it's late and I am dreaming. You cant start a slur on a spacer
rest, Apologies.

Andrew


On 10 February 2018 at 00:54, Andrew Bernard 
wrote:

>
> You could also put spacer rests in the voice to start the slur on, but
> that is also a hack.
>
>
>
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Re: Phrasing slur with multiple voices

[Andrew Bernard]

Hi Brian,

The way I do this is to shape the slur so that it extends past the A. This
is fake out, but you can use \shape to do it, or the more flexible \shapeII
function in the openlilylib library. Although this approach is a bit of a
kludge, it ends up faster than artificially putting the first chord in a
different voice just to do a slur.

You could also put spacer rests in the voice to start the slur on, but that
is also a hack.

Andrew


On 9 February 2018 at 11:49, Brian Kell  wrote:

> I am just learning LilyPond, and to practice I’m engraving Dvořák’s
> Humoresque No. 1 in E-flat Minor, which is in 2/4 time.
>
>
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Phrasing slur with multiple voices

[Brian Kell]

I am just learning LilyPond, and to practice I’m engraving Dvořák’s Humoresque 
No. 1 in E-flat Minor, which is in 2/4 time.

I’m stuck on the top staff in the attached image (measures 70 and 71).



It seems that there are three voices in the last beat of the second measure. 
The phrasing slur needs to extend from the first chord in the first measure to 
the f'8 in the second measure. Since slurs can’t cross voices, I think the 
eighth notes in the second measure need to be in the same voice as the chord in 
the first measure?

The closest I’ve come is the following:

<< { 4\(  | 4 \stemDown gf'8 f'\) } \\
   { s2 | s4 cf' } \\
   { s2 | s4 af' } >>

But this produces a warning from LilyPond: "ignoring too many clashing note 
columns”, and the gf'8 in the second measure is not offset to the right from 
the cf' and af'.

Suggestions?

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Re: Tromba "mo"

[Matthias Böhringer]

Am 09.02.2018 um 09:57 schrieb Johannes Roeßler:

Hi Andrew,
a 18th century cantata - I found (very few) links with google where you 
can see "Tromba I mo" "Oboe I mo" and "Cornu I mo"  - so its not a typo...


Joei

Hi Johannes,

What MS, what context? I don't know of 'mo' in any tonic sol fa.

Andrew



On 9 February 2018 at 19:40, Johannes Roeßler > wrote:



I've got a manuscript with two "Trombas" - in "mo" and "do". While
"do" sounds like the "do" from Solmization,
I've no idea regarding the "mo" or should that be like a darker
toned "mi" - so mi-flat?- anyone?





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Hi Andrew, List,

I think that means "tromba primo" and "tromba secundo": italian for 
first and second trumpet and has nothing to do with solmisation.


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Re: Piano staff notes across both staffs, another problem

[Andrew Bernard]

 Hi Robert,

It would be unusual to glue stems together as you are suggesting, if I
understand what you want correctly. To use the crossStaff construct the
stems have to be in the same direction. No negotiation. :-)

If you really wanted to insist, there are examples of how to move
individual noteheads in chords from one side of a stem to another on LSR,
but I can't say that this would result on notation in this example that
players would be expecting or comfortable with. My principal aim in
engraving is to increase clarity, and I fell that non standard constructs
reduce clarity and make the music slower to read.


Andrew
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Piano staff notes across both staffs, another problem

[Robert Blackstone]

Dear all, 
I' ve been trying to connect, in a pianoscore, a top note in the lower staff 
with a chord in the upper staff.
I tried the methods given in the documentation and those given in the previous 
discussion on this list, a few days ago, on this topic.

They don't work for me because the stem directions of the notes to be joined 
are different. 
I thought that maybe I could join their stems in the gap by subtly using 
\override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #x,  but I don't know how to increase 
their stem lengths a wee bit without broadening the gap, as  \override Stem 
#'length-fraction = #(magstep whatever) does. 
I also tried \override Stem.length = #x ,x being a number other than 0, but 
that always resulted in the stem disappearing completely.

Since I cannot provide an ME I include a screenshot to illustrate the problem. 



Can anybody give me an advice?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
Robert Blackstone  



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Re: Tromba "mo"

[Werner LEMBERG]

> Just out of curiosity - shouldn't it be "tromba prim*a*/second*a*"
> in Italian (1ma/2da)?

Indeed.

> Or is it a case of "modo russico" ;)

Hehe, I think you are right :-)


Werner

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Re: Tromba "mo"

[Remy CLAVERIE]

Thanks a lot !

 

I confirm that I.mo stands for 'Primo' and 2.do stands for Secundo.

 

Have a nice day,

 

Rémy

 

 

 

> Message du 09/02/18 11:48
> De : "Johannes Roeßler" 
> A : "Remy CLAVERIE" , lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: Tromba "mo"
> 
>
> sure, but maybe we shouldn't double our efforts - I'm nearly finnished with 
> the edition and will provide it on IMSLP...
> Its Johann Ernst Bachs Cantata "Ein feste Burg" 
> http://bach.joei.de/2018/02/09/ein-feste-burg/
> 
> cheers, Joei
>

> I am also interested by the fasimile of this cantata. Could you send us the 
> web link ?



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Re: Tromba "mo"

[Johannes Roeßler]

sure, but maybe we shouldn't double our efforts - I'm nearly finnished with the 
edition and will provide it on IMSLP...
Its Johann Ernst Bachs Cantata "Ein feste Burg" 
http://bach.joei.de/2018/02/09/ein-feste-burg/

cheers, Joei


I am also interested by the fasimile of this cantata. Could you send us the web 
link ?



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Re: Tromba "mo"

[Johannes Roeßler]

*facepalm* - yep, thats it... thx all!

Uh, oh, this means `Tromba primo', `first Tromba', so please forget what
I talked about solmisation :-)


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Re: Change the shape of treble clef

[David Kastrup]

Andrew Bernard  writes:

> Hi Karlin and Klose,
>
> You get a lot more than just a treble clef, although that's what the OP was
> asking. You get a very refined and subtle complete font. Cadence is very
> subtle.
>
> I tend to think of Abraham's work as what is called payware in the flight
> sim world - not commercial greed but some recompense for the work put in,
> and the ongoing support which is provided. Considering what you get, it's
> very reasonably priced.
>
> There's a long thread in the archives about the reasons Abraham turned to a
> payware model, after I and others questioned this move, and it is well
> worth reading. I'll dig up the link later. I know there are those who hold
> the view that there is something bad about paying money for any add-on to
> an open source product, and there is some merit in that, but it's not an
> absolute given I think. If it means support for the developer, then that's
> good for the whole community. After all, some of our developers are
> supported by generous donations - a indirect form of payware.

One.  And the proportion supporting him is minuscule, so even though the
donations as such count as generous, the total amount currently is about
a third of a minimum wage job.  Which is why I am now looking for one of
those jobs.

To be fair, having had a stroke and consequently having to be consistent
about my blood pressure medication has not exactly helped productivity,
so the very few people still supporting me don't exactly get value I
feel prooud of in return.

I still try to provide technical guidance to my ability, fix a number of
things, and will see 2.20 out the door eventually.

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Re: Tromba "mo"

[Torsten Hämmerle]

Just out of curiosity - shouldn't it be "tromba prim*a*/second*a*" in Italian
(1ma/2da)?
I'd be interested in the link, too.

Or is it a case of "modo russico" ;)

Cheerio,
Torsten



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Re: Tromba "mo"

[Remy CLAVERIE]

Hi Johannes,

 

I am also interested by the fasimile of this cantata. Could you send us the web 
link ?

 

Thanks a lot,

 

Rémy

 

 

 

 

> Message du 09/02/18 09:58
> De : "Johannes Roeßler" 
> A : "Andrew Bernard" , lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: Tromba "mo"
> 
>
Hi Andrew, 
> a 18th century cantata - I found (very few) links with google where you can 
> see "Tromba I mo" "Oboe I mo" and "Cornu I mo"  - so its not a typo... 
> 
> Joei
>



Hi Johannes,
> 
>
What MS, what context? I don't know of 'mo' in any tonic sol fa.
> 
>
Andrew
> 
>


>


>
On 9 February 2018 at 19:40, Johannes Roeßler  wrote:
>


> I've got a manuscript with two "Trombas" - in "mo" and "do". While "do" 
> sounds like the "do" from Solmization,
> I've no idea regarding the "mo" or should that be like a darker toned "mi" - 
> so mi-flat?- anyone?
> 
>





> 
>




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Re: Tromba "mo"

[Werner LEMBERG]

>>> I've got a manuscript with two "Trombas" - in "mo" and "do".

Obviously, the other one is `II do' – Tromba secondo :-)


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Re: Tromba "mo"

[Werner LEMBERG]

> a 18th century cantata - I found (very few) links with google where
> you can see "Tromba I mo" "Oboe I mo" and "Cornu I mo"  - so its not a
> typo...

Uh, oh, this means `Tromba primo', `first Tromba', so please forget what
I talked about solmisation :-)


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Re: Tromba "mo"

[Werner LEMBERG]

> What MS, what context? I don't know of 'mo' in any tonic sol fa.

`mo' is a term from (German?) `relative solmisation', cf.

  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solmisation#Relative_Solmisation

However, I have never seen this in any score...

>> I've got a manuscript with two "Trombas" - in "mo" and "do". While
>> "do" sounds like the "do" from Solmization, I've no idea regarding
>> the "mo" or should that be like a darker toned "mi" - so mi-flat?-
>> anyone?

Yes, `mo' is e-flat (if taken absolute).


Werner

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Re: Tromba "mo"

[Johannes Roeßler]

Hi Andrew,
a 18th century cantata - I found (very few) links with google where you can see "Tromba I mo" 
"Oboe I mo" and "Cornu I mo"  - so its not a typo...

Joei

Hi Johannes,

What MS, what context? I don't know of 'mo' in any tonic sol fa.

Andrew



On 9 February 2018 at 19:40, Johannes Roeßler > wrote:


I've got a manuscript with two "Trombas" - in "mo" and "do". While "do" sounds like 
the "do" from Solmization,
I've no idea regarding the "mo" or should that be like a darker toned "mi" 
- so mi-flat?- anyone?



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Re: Tromba "mo"

[Andrew Bernard]

Hi Johannes,

What MS, what context? I don't know of 'mo' in any tonic sol fa.

Andrew



On 9 February 2018 at 19:40, Johannes Roeßler  wrote:

>
> I've got a manuscript with two "Trombas" - in "mo" and "do". While "do"
> sounds like the "do" from Solmization,
> I've no idea regarding the "mo" or should that be like a darker toned "mi"
> - so mi-flat?- anyone?
>
>
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Tromba "mo"

[Johannes Roeßler]

Hi,

my apologies for being slightly off topic - but hoping for some musical 
knowledge here ;)

I've got a manuscript with two "Trombas" - in "mo" and "do". While "do" sounds like the 
"do" from Solmization,
I've no idea regarding the "mo" or should that be like a darker toned "mi" - so 
mi-flat?- anyone?

Cheers
Joei
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