Re: First page completed; tweaking questions
- Original Message - From: m...@apollinemike.com Look at B1 for example. The triplet bracket circled is too short, I want all triplet brackets to take the entire duration, not just go to the last stem. \set tupletFullLength = ##t \set tupletFullLengthNote = ##t Shouldn't this be the default? My newly-purchased copy of Elaine Gould's Behind bars explicitly states this, and Gardner Read shows the same. -- Phil Holmes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: First page completed; tweaking questions
Hello,
From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org
[lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] on behalf of Ivan
Kuznetsov [ivan.k.kuznet...@gmail.com]
Sent: 09 April 2011 21:54
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: First page completed; tweaking questions
I have my first page of music notated with lilypond here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61572029@N04/5603253711/
---
Ivan,
Generally it is difficult help without getting some idea of how you have
constructed your original file, as there are many ways to do the 'same' thing
in LilyPond which may affect the response you get (if any) so *just* a screen
shot is not always the best way of conveying what you want.
Always try to include a small example of the .ly file where the issue occurs
See:
http://lilypond.org/website/tiny-examples.html
This helps us help you.
Now to some of your points...
--
CONCERNING area's marked in red A1 and A2:
Sometimes I require one note to have two stems indicating
that the note belongs to two voices. A2 worked out
as I intended but for A1, ideally I would just like the
half-note G# visible and the triplet eighth-note G# invisible,
so that the first stem of the triplet is the a stem
attached to the half-note G# (and the half-note G# still has
its downward stem also). How can this be achieved?
I don't really follow what you want here to give you an answer, but it would be
instructive (I think) if you walk through this 'real world' example in the
Learning Manual
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/learning/real-music-example
as it covers things like this - joining note heads and/or stems.
-
CONCERNING the area's marked B1, B2, B3, and B4:
Look at B1 for example. The triplet bracket circled is
too short, I want all triplet brackets to take the entire
duration, not just go to the last stem.
Again it is worth looking at the Learning Manual to learn to find your way
around the 'Internals Reference' manual as the internal reference manual is the
place where all these kinds of settings are to be found. It can look quite
difficult at first (it was for me anyway) but the sections in the Learning
Manual helped.
See:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/learning/tweaking-basics
and
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/learning/the-internals-reference-manual
As to extending the Tuplet Bracket Line (which I think is what you mean) look
at this simple example to illustrate what I mean.
\relative {
% Here is a simple example with default output
\times 2/3 { c d e f } g a b c
% Here is the same example but with the 'shorten pair' values changed. Play to
suit your own requirements
% The right side of the tuplet bracket increases in length without the note
spacing changing within the staff
\override Voice.TupletBracket #'shorten-pair = #'(-0.2 . -12)
\times 2/3 { c d e f } g a b c
}
Also see
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Snippet?id=398
Also, in the special case of B1, where I have two
voices each with a triplet, notationally only one
bracket is necessary. Is there any way to make one
of the bracket's invisible (like an s rest)?
See http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=337
To remove the number as well you'd need
\override TupletNumber #'stencil = ##f
As the number and the 'bracket' are two different 'grobs'.
CONCERNING the area's marked C1, C2, and C3:
Can I tilt the right side of the triplet bracket
down at C1 and C3? At C2i, can I tilt the
left side of the beam upwards so it is over the rest?
Again here is a simple example to show you the tweak I think you need here
\relative {
\times 2/3 { c d e f } g a b c
\override Voice.TupletBracket #'positions = #'(-6 . -3)
\times 2/3 { c d e f } g a b c
}
The two numbers will control the overall angle, so you can use them to suit
your example.
I hope this helps
James
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Re: First page completed; tweaking questions
m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com wrote:
ivan.k.kuznet...@gmail.com wrote:
I have my first page of music notated with lilypond here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61572029@N04/5603253711/
...
CONCERNING the area's marked B1, B2, B3, and B4:
Look at B1 for example. The triplet bracket circled is
too short, I want all triplet brackets to take the entire
duration, not just go to the last stem.
\set tupletFullLength = ##t
\set tupletFullLengthNote = ##t
Thanks; I have worked with this a bit, and
I have only been able to get this to work within the tuplet
bracket:
\times 2/3 { \once \set tupletFullLength = ##t fs'4 d8 }
not for a entire voice. Also, I just want to
adjust brackets, not _add_ a bracket to a triplet beam
when a bracket is not required (perhaps that was not clear).
Also, in the special case of B1, where I have two
voices each with a triplet, notationally only one
bracket is necessary. Is there any way to make one
of the bracket's invisible (like an s rest)?
\once \override Voice . TupletBracket #'transparent = ##t
Great; this worked _except_ that it just removed the
bracket and _not_ the number in the center of the bracket.
I would like to remove both.
I will respond to the others soon.
Thank you very much to everyone for their assistance!
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Re: First page completed; tweaking questions
m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com wrote:
ivan.k.kuznet...@gmail.com wrote:
I have my first page of music notated with lilypond here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61572029@N04/5603253711/
CONCERNING area's marked in red A1 and A2:
Sometimes I require one note to have two stems indicating
that the note belongs to two voices. A2 worked out
as I intended but for A1, ideally I would just like the
half-note G# visible and the triplet eighth-note G# invisible,
so that the first stem of the triplet is the a stem
attached to the half-note G# (and the half-note G# still has
its downward stem also). How can this be achieved?
\mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn
That worked well. Thanks!
% m01
{
\times 2/3 { \mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn gs,8[ g8 d16 as16] }
\times 2/3 { \once \set tupletFullLength = ##t fs'4 d8 }
\times 2/3 { e,8[ d8 g8] }
}
\\
{ gs,2e,4 }
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Re: First page completed; tweaking questions
On Apr 10, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Ivan Kuznetsov wrote:
m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com wrote:
ivan.k.kuznet...@gmail.com wrote:
I have my first page of music notated with lilypond here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61572029@N04/5603253711/
...
CONCERNING the area's marked B1, B2, B3, and B4:
Look at B1 for example. The triplet bracket circled is
too short, I want all triplet brackets to take the entire
duration, not just go to the last stem.
\set tupletFullLength = ##t
\set tupletFullLengthNote = ##t
Thanks; I have worked with this a bit, and
I have only been able to get this to work within the tuplet
bracket:
\times 2/3 { \once \set tupletFullLength = ##t fs'4 d8 }
not for a entire voice. Also, I just want to
adjust brackets, not _add_ a bracket to a triplet beam
when a bracket is not required (perhaps that was not clear).
There's a bracket-visibility property that you can play around with (ie \once
\override Voice . TupletBracket #'bracket-visibility = ##t)
Also, in the special case of B1, where I have two
voices each with a triplet, notationally only one
bracket is necessary. Is there any way to make one
of the bracket's invisible (like an s rest)?
\once \override Voice . TupletBracket #'transparent = ##t
Great; this worked _except_ that it just removed the
bracket and _not_ the number in the center of the bracket.
I would like to remove both.
\once \override Voice . TupletNumber #'transparent = ##t
I will respond to the others soon.
Thank you very much to everyone for their assistance!
Every time someone suggests a property, you should try to find it in the
notation reference (that's how I learned LilyPond). By doing so, it'll give
you better intuition as to how the program works and help you search for
definitions of things that could be helpful.
Cheers,
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Re: First page completed; tweaking questions
m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com wrote: There's a bracket-visibility property that you can play around with (ie \once \override Voice . TupletBracket #'bracket-visibility = ##t) ... Great; this worked _except_ that it just removed the bracket and _not_ the number in the center of the bracket. I would like to remove both. \once \override Voice . TupletNumber #'transparent = ##t Great pointers; thanks! ... Every time someone suggests a property, you should try to find it in the notation reference (that's how I learned LilyPond). By doing so, it'll give you better intuition as to how the program works and help you search for definitions of things that could be helpful. Ok; the only mention of the string TupletBracket in Notation Reference, LilyPond version 2.12.2 is reference to the Internal Reference document, which as first I found rather cryptic. On the second reading however, the Internal Reference document, is making more sense. Thanks. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
First page completed; tweaking questions
I have my first page of music notated with lilypond here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/61572029@N04/5603253711/ CONCERNING area's marked in red A1 and A2: Sometimes I require one note to have two stems indicating that the note belongs to two voices. A2 worked out as I intended but for A1, ideally I would just like the half-note G# visible and the triplet eighth-note G# invisible, so that the first stem of the triplet is the a stem attached to the half-note G# (and the half-note G# still has its downward stem also). How can this be achieved? CONCERNING the area's marked B1, B2, B3, and B4: Look at B1 for example. The triplet bracket circled is too short, I want all triplet brackets to take the entire duration, not just go to the last stem. Also, in the special case of B1, where I have two voices each with a triplet, notationally only one bracket is necessary. Is there any way to make one of the bracket's invisible (like an s rest)? CONCERNING the area's marked C1, C2, and C3: Can I tilt the right side of the triplet bracket down at C1 and C3? At C2i, can I tilt the left side of the beam upwards so it is over the rest? Thank you for your pointers! ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
First page completed; tweaking questions
I have my first page of music notated with lilypond here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/61572029@N04/5603253711/ CONCERNING area's marked in red A1 and A2: Sometimes I require one note to have two stems indicating that the note belongs to two voices. A2 worked out as I intended but for A1, ideally I would just like the half-note G# visible and the triplet eighth-note G# invisible, so that the first stem of the triplet is the a stem attached to the half-note G# (and the half-note G# still has its downward stem also). How can this be achieved? CONCERNING the area's marked B1, B2, B3, and B4: Look at B1 for example. The triplet bracket circled is too short, I want all triplet brackets to take the entire duration, not just go to the last stem. Also, in the special case of B1, where I have two voices each with a triplet, notationally only one bracket is necessary. Is there any way to make one of the bracket's invisible (like an s rest)? CONCERNING the area's marked C1, C2, and C3: Can I tilt the right side of the triplet bracket down at C1 and C3? At C2i, can I tilt the left side of the beam upwards so it is over the rest? Thank you for your pointers! ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: First page completed; tweaking questions
On Apr 9, 2011, at 7:08 PM, ivan.k.kuznet...@gmail.com wrote: I have my first page of music notated with lilypond here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/61572029@N04/5603253711/ CONCERNING area's marked in red A1 and A2: Sometimes I require one note to have two stems indicating that the note belongs to two voices. A2 worked out as I intended but for A1, ideally I would just like the half-note G# visible and the triplet eighth-note G# invisible, so that the first stem of the triplet is the a stem attached to the half-note G# (and the half-note G# still has its downward stem also). How can this be achieved? \mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn CONCERNING the area's marked B1, B2, B3, and B4: Look at B1 for example. The triplet bracket circled is too short, I want all triplet brackets to take the entire duration, not just go to the last stem. \set tupletFullLength = ##t \set tupletFullLengthNote = ##t Also, in the special case of B1, where I have two voices each with a triplet, notationally only one bracket is necessary. Is there any way to make one of the bracket's invisible (like an s rest)? \once \override Voice . TupletBracket #'transparent = ##t CONCERNING the area's marked C1, C2, and C3: Can I tilt the right side of the triplet bracket down at C1 and C3? At C2i, can I tilt the left side of the beam upwards so it is over the rest? This I'll leave for someone else - I can think of kludgy ways to do it, but there may be more elegant ones. Cheers, MS ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
