Re: Help with sound card

2007-04-12 Thread Moshe Gorohovsky
Hi Orr,

Try switching external amplifier in alsamixer on or off,
this had helped me with a similar microfone issue a while ago.

Use full view in alsamixer to see all alsa settings and controls.
New kernel can introduce new alsa setting or control that
you do not see in your current configuration.

When you use a vanilla kernel (compiled your own kernel)
you must use alsa-tools, alsa-lib, alsa-utils, etc. from
alsa-project.org. Do not use FC6 alsa-tools on non-FC6 kernels.

- Moshe

Orr Dunkelman wrote:
 Long story short: Laptop, sound card, microphone doesn't work. Windows -
 work.
 
 Laptop: Compaq Evo N800V (four years old)
 FC6. Standard. Kernel - 2.6.20.4 - manually compiled.
 
 modules (courtesy of lsmod):
 
 snd_intel8x0   31644  4
 snd_ac97_codec 89508  1 snd_intel8x0
 ac97_bus2560  1 snd_ac97_codec
 snd_seq_dummy   3972  0
 snd_seq_oss29312  0
 snd_seq_midi_event  7296  1 snd_seq_oss
 snd_seq45808  5
 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
 snd_seq_device  7948  3 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
 snd_pcm_oss39552  0
 snd_mixer_oss  15616  3 snd_pcm_oss
 parport_pc 26020  1
 snd_pcm71172  3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
 snd_timer  21252  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
 pcmcia_core39716  3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic
 snd49668  13
 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
 
 soundcore   7776  3 snd
 snd_page_alloc  9992  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
 pcspkr  3328  0
 
 playes with alsamixer.
 
 results:
 
 when microphone is on, switch: Microphone Capture, I hear from the speakers
 whatever I say into the mic.
 when it's off - nothing.
 
 Tried all combinations of
 Line-in capture, microphone capture, +20 db Boost, and IEC 958.
 Tried both mic1 and mic2 for inputs (surprisingly only mic1 works).
 
 No other sound device (especially not a mic).
 
 Permissions:
 /dev/dsp and /dev/snd/*
 were user.root and user.user, permission 600.
 none worked.
 
 anyone with some guess why this happens? google tells me a lot about two
 sound cards, but I have only one, and alsamixer does not solve the problem.
 
 Thanks!
 

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Re: Help with sound card

2007-04-12 Thread Tzahi Fadida
Just FYI,
It is a known issue that many times skype will not work without Microphone 
capture on.

On Thursday 12 April 2007 01:00:31 Orr Dunkelman wrote:
 Long story short: Laptop, sound card, microphone doesn't work. Windows -
 work.

 Laptop: Compaq Evo N800V (four years old)
 FC6. Standard. Kernel - 2.6.20.4 - manually compiled.

 modules (courtesy of lsmod):

 snd_intel8x0   31644  4
 snd_ac97_codec 89508  1 snd_intel8x0
 ac97_bus2560  1 snd_ac97_codec
 snd_seq_dummy   3972  0
 snd_seq_oss29312  0
 snd_seq_midi_event  7296  1 snd_seq_oss
 snd_seq45808  5
 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq_device  7948 
 3 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
 snd_pcm_oss39552  0
 snd_mixer_oss  15616  3 snd_pcm_oss
 parport_pc 26020  1
 snd_pcm71172  3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
 snd_timer  21252  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
 pcmcia_core39716  3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic
 snd49668  13
 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,
snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore   7776  3 snd
 snd_page_alloc  9992  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
 pcspkr  3328  0

 playes with alsamixer.

 results:

 when microphone is on, switch: Microphone Capture, I hear from the speakers
 whatever I say into the mic.
 when it's off - nothing.

 Tried all combinations of
 Line-in capture, microphone capture, +20 db Boost, and IEC 958.
 Tried both mic1 and mic2 for inputs (surprisingly only mic1 works).

 No other sound device (especially not a mic).

 Permissions:
 /dev/dsp and /dev/snd/*
 were user.root and user.user, permission 600.
 none worked.

 anyone with some guess why this happens? google tells me a lot about two
 sound cards, but I have only one, and alsamixer does not solve the problem.

 Thanks!



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Re: spam

2007-04-12 Thread Nadav Har'El
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Re: avoiding the microsoft tax - laptop linux refund?

2007-04-12 Thread Vassilii Khachaturov
Just following this up for other poor souls researching such a thing in 
Israel.



Or, as an alternative, does anybody have a specific supplier
recommendation for either T43 or a comparable linux-friendly laptop,
somebody in Israel that would be prepared to work with the University
and be willing to sell w/o Windows?

[SNIP]

I know that HP sells systems with SUSE 9.2 pre-installed. Maybe you
should check that option.

[SNIP]
Currently the HP 14 models from the preferred dealer here are all wide
screen (WXGA) which doesn't fit for aesthetical reasons, so we are
checking other options as well - both other dealers and other brands.


My wife actually said she probably prefers a 12 model, but can do with 
a 14. This made the HP tablet PC tc4400 a pretty good option. I read a 
very enthusiastic installation report on it at 
http://www.place4sure.com/tc-4400/tc-4400.html , thanked Theo --- the 
author, --- and got even more interesting comments and warm reports 
about the make in return. But, following a check through the dealers 
with the HP/Israel, they absolutely refused to sell a non-Windows-OEM 
laptop (they said that maybe an order of 100 units at a minimum might 
make it viable). This one is sold with a special handwriting-recognition 
Windows version, which costs over $100! So, if minimizing the MS tax is 
a goal, tc4400 had to be avoided. The recent negative PR of HP wrt Linux 
and warranty is also a factor in our decision not to buy a unit with the 
Windows sticker on, even with the later clarification 
http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/30/199253


There was a small shop that was going to sell us an INF 12 laptop 
(could be it's an OEM of the same hardware that LG sells?), which had 
very good battery life specs in the description (1Kg in the solicited 
configuration, and 8 hours of battery life). They were ready to do it 
w/o any MS tax (i.e., Windows would have been an extra option on the 
price list to check off, and they had there both Vista and XP). However, 
they were not serious enough with respect to the hardware evaluation -- 
they initially promised to deliver the laptop within 2 days, then a 
week, then said we have to pre-sign a form saying if we wreck it we pay 
for it (isn't it obvious anyway?), then procrastinated further 2 days 
and never sent us the form; in the end, the dept. IT guys said sorry for 
having recommended this option in the first place. Another problem with 
the make is that there is no int'l warranty on it, only through the dealer.


So, after all, we have gone back to the dept preferred IBM dealer, and 
are now going to buy either a T43 or a X60s (more likely), paying the MS 
tax as we go. We shall try to decline the license agreement by MS and 
ask for a refund from the IBM / MS directly (at least, as long as it is 
just a matter of mails/letters/faxes.)


The up side of the story is that meanwhile my wife happily uses her 
current 7-year-old 3-Kg ASUS laptop, running Gentoo, and doesn't mind 
waiting, and also the solid-state flash drives available in Israel got 
larger capacity and much better MTBF.


If, meanwhile, somebody on the list got acquainted with a place in 
Israel to buy a non-wide linux-friendly laptop WITHOUT MS TAX, please 
tell us. So far it looks that the MS marketing successfully forced all 
the dealers to pre-brand all their stock laptops as MS OEM units :-(


Or, if there is any of you, who knows a sure legal route to the refund 
in Israel (similar to the UK-specific story 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6144782.stm ), please tell us. I 
do have some hope because Israeli law is a descendant of the UK one 
AFAIU (again, IANAL).


If we do make any progress with it, I'm going to follow up any 
successful or unsuccessful refund attempts.


VKh

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