Re: Using DVB-T on Raspberry Pi (was: Re: Up-to-date hardware recommendation (this time, USB DVB-T dongle)?)

[Shay Gover]

You can check if it's reception by taking it to work (Where you'll probably
have a usb for power and a monitor).

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:04 PM, Omer Zak  wrote:

> Few weeks ago I asked about recommendations for a USB DVB-T dongle.
> Meanwhile I ordered and received DVB-T+DAB+FM D037C-04.
>
> Now the task is to make it work with Raspberry Pi using Raspbian.
>
> According to the link
>
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/20204/which-application-do-you-recommend-for-watching-tv-dvb
> people recommend: vlc, kaffeine
> the following were mentioned, too: totem, gxine, mplayer
>
> The link
>
> http://www.howtoeverything.net/linux/hardware/making-dvb-usb-sticks-and-other-tv-cards-work-linux
> (Making DVB-USB-Sticks and other TV cards work with Linux)
> recommends to install kaffeine and libxine1-all-plugins
> Raspbian has libxine2-all-plugins instead.
>
> My experience was that the Raspbian installation (most up-to-date Jessie
> one) recognized the device without the need to install anything further.
>
> I got stuck at failing to find any channels when scanning. Not known
> whether it's a problem of bad reception or another problem.
>
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Using DVB-T on Raspberry Pi (was: Re: Up-to-date hardware recommendation (this time, USB DVB-T dongle)?)

[Omer Zak]

Few weeks ago I asked about recommendations for a USB DVB-T dongle.
Meanwhile I ordered and received DVB-T+DAB+FM D037C-04.

Now the task is to make it work with Raspberry Pi using Raspbian.

According to the link
http://askubuntu.com/questions/20204/which-application-do-you-recommend-for-watching-tv-dvb
people recommend: vlc, kaffeine
the following were mentioned, too: totem, gxine, mplayer

The link
http://www.howtoeverything.net/linux/hardware/making-dvb-usb-sticks-and-other-tv-cards-work-linux
(Making DVB-USB-Sticks and other TV cards work with Linux)
recommends to install kaffeine and libxine1-all-plugins
Raspbian has libxine2-all-plugins instead.

My experience was that the Raspbian installation (most up-to-date Jessie
one) recognized the device without the need to install anything further.

I got stuck at failing to find any channels when scanning. Not known
whether it's a problem of bad reception or another problem.

--- Omer


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Re: Up-to-date hardware recommendation (this time, USB DVB-T dongle)?

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On 05/04/2016 10:47 AM, geoffrey mendelson wrote:

> BTW, the R stands for Rafael, a division of IAI, which is  owned by the
> Israeli government.

Are you sure this is the same rafael? http://www.rafaelmicro.com/

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Re: Up-to-date hardware recommendation (this time, USB DVB-T dongle)?

[geoffrey mendelson]

On 5/4/2016 10:00 AM, Yuval Adam wrote:


All the RTL2832-based dongles are well supported on Linux via the
dvb_usb_rtl28xxu driver.
Due to extremely popular demand, pretty much all the dongles on eBay are
R820T/RTL2832-based (former is the tuner chip, latter is the hardware
decoder chip)


BTW, the R stands for Rafael, a division of IAI, which is  owned by the 
Israeli government.



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Re: Up-to-date hardware recommendation (this time, USB DVB-T dongle)?

[Yuval Adam]

On 05/04/2016 09:55 AM, Shlomo Solomon wrote:
> Is there any way to know if these cheap ones support Linux and/or
> Raspberry PI? As far as I could see none of them specifically mention
> Linux and many state which Windows versions are supported - but again
> with no mention of Linux.
> 

All the RTL2832-based dongles are well supported on Linux via the
dvb_usb_rtl28xxu driver.
Due to extremely popular demand, pretty much all the dongles on eBay are
R820T/RTL2832-based (former is the tuner chip, latter is the hardware
decoder chip)

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Re: Up-to-date hardware recommendation (this time, USB DVB-T dongle)?

[Shlomo Solomon]

Is there any way to know if these cheap ones support Linux and/or
Raspberry PI? As far as I could see none of them specifically mention
Linux and many state which Windows versions are supported - but again
with no mention of Linux.

On Tue, 3 May 2016 18:39:41 +0300
Yuval Adam  wrote:

> You can find very cheap ones on eBay for ~$8-10.
> The most popular ones are based on the R820T(2) tuner, and perform
> very well.
> Also suitable for RTL-SDR [1] applications.
> 
> There are more expensive dongles in the $25 range but aren't neccesary
> unless you care about performance charecteristics.
> 
> [1] - http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
> 
> On 05/03/2016 05:15 PM, Omer Zak wrote:
> > I am considering the purchase of an USB DVB-T dongle which will work
> > with Raspberry Pi (under Raspbian, of course).
> > 
> > What is the currently recommended model and where can one buy it
> > for a good price?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > --- Omer Zak
> > 
> > 
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Re: Up-to-date hardware recommendation (this time, USB DVB-T dongle)?

[Yuval Adam]

On 05/04/2016 01:09 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

> All the boards on that list have frequency ranges that start at 24Mhz
> or higher. I'd like one that goes from 0.5-30Mhz.
> 

You're asking for a lot from a $10 dongle. Even the upper tier SDR
boards (HackRF, BladeRF) don't go down to HF freqs, not even close actually.
For HF you'll need an upconverter, or dedicated hardware.
That said, there are also direct sampling hacks [1] that will enable
rudimentary HF support on an RTlSDR.

[1] -
http://www.rtl-sdr.com/an-interesting-rtl-sdr-direct-sampling-modification/

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Re: Up-to-date hardware recommendation (this time, USB DVB-T dongle)?

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 3 May 2016 18:39:41 +0300
Yuval Adam  wrote:

> You can find very cheap ones on eBay for ~$8-10.
> The most popular ones are based on the R820T(2) tuner, and perform
> very well.
> Also suitable for RTL-SDR [1] applications.
> 
> There are more expensive dongles in the $25 range but aren't neccesary
> unless you care about performance charecteristics.
> 
> [1] - http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr

All the boards on that list have frequency ranges that start at 24Mhz
or higher. I'd like one that goes from 0.5-30Mhz.

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Re: Up-to-date hardware recommendation (this time, USB DVB-T dongle)?

[Yuval Adam]

You can find very cheap ones on eBay for ~$8-10.
The most popular ones are based on the R820T(2) tuner, and perform very
well.
Also suitable for RTL-SDR [1] applications.

There are more expensive dongles in the $25 range but aren't neccesary
unless you care about performance charecteristics.

[1] - http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr

On 05/03/2016 05:15 PM, Omer Zak wrote:
> I am considering the purchase of an USB DVB-T dongle which will work
> with Raspberry Pi (under Raspbian, of course).
> 
> What is the currently recommended model and where can one buy it for a
> good price?
> 
> Thanks,
> --- Omer Zak
> 
> 

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Up-to-date hardware recommendation (this time, USB DVB-T dongle)?

[Omer Zak]

I am considering the purchase of an USB DVB-T dongle which will work
with Raspberry Pi (under Raspbian, of course).

What is the currently recommended model and where can one buy it for a
good price?

Thanks,
--- Omer Zak


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Re: Hardware Recommendation

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On Sat, 2007-07-21 at 08:54 +0300, Ravid Baruch Naali wrote:
 Oded Arbel wrote:
  On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 16:49 +0300, Ravid Baruch Naali wrote:
  Listening to music using skype.
  
 
  Skype ?!?

 Yes I'm using skype, and had some calls to and from
 Korea, If I leave it on the desktop it tends to hang,
 but only the skype application and it doesn't happen
 when iconizing it.

I'm aware that people are using Skype and I'm all for it (hey - they're
an ISV that produces Linux software, more power to them!), I even have
my own Skype account though I haven't used it in a while - I've been
replacing a lot of computers lately and I can't be bothered to do a
couple of clicks to install it. I just wasn't aware that people are
using Skype to listen to music :-)

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Re: Hardware Recommendation

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Oded Arbel wrote:

 On Sat, 2007-07-21 at 08:54 +0300, Ravid Baruch Naali wrote:
   
 Oded Arbel wrote:
 
 On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 16:49 +0300, Ravid Baruch Naali wrote:
   
 Listening to music using skype.
 
 
 Skype ?!?
   
   
 Yes I'm using skype, and had some calls to and from
 Korea, If I leave it on the desktop it tends to hang,
 but only the skype application and it doesn't happen
 when iconizing it.
 

 I'm aware that people are using Skype and I'm all for it (hey - they're
 an ISV that produces Linux software, more power to them!), I even have
 my own Skype account though I haven't used it in a while - I've been
 replacing a lot of computers lately and I can't be bothered to do a
 couple of clicks to install it. I just wasn't aware that people are
 using Skype to listen to music :-)

   
I'm not using skype to listen to music there was a missing comma.

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Re: Hardware Recommendation

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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, Amos Shapira wrote:


On 20/07/07, Oded Arbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  * sound support ? What type of chipset is the laptop using - in the

past

  I had some issues with sound under MBs with ICH8, specifically low

sound

  quality and the inability to turn off the speakers when attaching
  headphones.
 
 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition
 Audio Controller

AFAIK new computers come with ICH8. I would love to hear some success
stories from people who have ICH8 on their laptops and do not have sound
problems.


My Dimension 520 desktop comes with an ICH8 and so far I haven't got around
to investigate how to make sound work on Debian Etch. I just connected the
audio cable to the new monitor and tried to play something and it didn't
work.


Are you sure this is not a simple mute issue?


Here is what lspci -vvv gives on this device, the unknown device is a
bit discouraging:

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio
Controller (rev 02)
  Subsystem: Dell Unknown device 01dd


ALSA does support ICH8 audio. But your system is not known (at least in 
latest release, 1.0.14).


Some close systems are known (0x01d6, 0x01d8), and all Dells appear to 
use Sigmatel codec, with reference configuration.


You might add support for your system by merely editing file
sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c
changing 0x01ce to 0x01dd (assuming you use a new enough kernel).
You might also upgrade to ALSA 1.0.14, without replacing kernel.



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Re: Hardware Recommendation

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On 20/07/07, Matan Ziv-Av [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, Amos Shapira wrote:
 My Dimension 520 desktop comes with an ICH8 and so far I haven't got
around
 to investigate how to make sound work on Debian Etch. I just connected
the
 audio cable to the new monitor and tried to play something and it didn't

 work.

Are you sure this is not a simple mute issue?



When I try to run alsamixer I get:

$ sudo alsamixer
alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument

I've upgraded to alsa-base 1.0.14 from Lenny (testing) and at some stage
xfmedia managed to play something but I suspect it was through OSS. Since
then I upgraded a few more alsa-related packages (apt pinning to Etch
means that I have to pro-actively search and upgrade later version coming
from Lenny) and executed alsaconf to try to make it work (I later learned
that alsaconf is deprecated) and xfmedia stopped working too. I rebooted the
system and made sure that card isn't muted and volume isn't zero.

Every time I run alsamixer another line like the following is emitted by the
kernel:
hda_codec: num_steps = 0 for NID=0x17

Googling around for this error so far haven't turned useful info (except
that alsaconf shouldn't be used).


Here is what lspci -vvv gives on this device, the unknown device is a
 bit discouraging:

 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio
 Controller (rev 02)
   Subsystem: Dell Unknown device 01dd

ALSA does support ICH8 audio. But your system is not known (at least in
latest release, 1.0.14).

Some close systems are known (0x01d6, 0x01d8), and all Dells appear to
use Sigmatel codec, with reference configuration.

You might add support for your system by merely editing file
sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c
changing 0x01ce to 0x01dd (assuming you use a new enough kernel).
You might also upgrade to ALSA 1.0.14, without replacing kernel.



That's what I did (using packages from Lenny - 1.0.140-1) and so far no joy.

So the bottom line is encouraging since xfmedia managed to play something -
so the card works and the loudspeakers are connected correctly. I just have
to find the right combination now.

Any other thought on this?

Thanks very much for your help.

--Amos

Re: Hardware Recommendation

[Ravid Baruch Naali]

Oded Arbel wrote:

 On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 16:49 +0300, Ravid Baruch Naali wrote:
   
 What about (in decreasing order of importance)
 * wireless networking ?
   
   
 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN
 Mini-PCI Card
 Using it anywhere around the house.
 

 Did it work for you out of the box ? I use a broadcom based PCMCIA
 wireless card and I had to manually extract the firmware from the
 windows driver package in order to get it to work.
   
You right I forgot I had to replace some stuff, but the following link
made it very easy, with only one addition I needed to remove my older
bcm43xx manually:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297092
   
 * sound support ? What type of chipset is the laptop using - in the past
 I had some issues with sound under MBs with ICH8, specifically low sound
 quality and the inability to turn off the speakers when attaching
 headphones.
   
   
 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition
 Audio Controller
 

 AFAIK new computers come with ICH8. I would love to hear some success
 stories from people who have ICH8 on their laptops and do not have sound
 problems.
   
Not an expert  on this devices, but it works.
   
 Listening to music using skype.
 

 Skype ?!?
   
Yes I'm using skype, and had some calls to and from
Korea, If I leave it on the desktop it tends to hang,
but only the skype application and it doesn't happen
when iconizing it.
Computer never got Jammed.
   
 * Multimedia keys ? the Inspiron 6400 comes with quite a few of those
 (http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3089review=Dell
 +Inspiron+6400)
   
   
 Have them all never tried using them on Ubuntu
 

 Try to start the gnome shortcut manager, choose to edit some shortcut
 you don't care about and hit a multimedia key. If it is supported, you
 should see something in the shortcut column (possibly something like
 0xea). If it doesn't work then you should see nothing changed. You'd
 need to click on the shortcut again, to enter edit mode, after each time
 it detects a key.

 I'd also be interested if you can check how the KDE shortcut manager
 likes your multimedia keys.
   
I've only tested the KDE shortcut manager and X recognize all the
multimedia keys
   
 * SD card reader ?
   
   
 Generic system peripheral [0805]: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822
 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter
 

 Did you try it ? I'm not interested in the specific model - just if it
 works.
   
I just used it to read my Cannon SD card, it got mounted like a
flash, and photos are being copied as I write this lines.
   
 * S-Video output ?
   
   
 It's integrated in the display controller, also had no experience yet
 

 That's less important - just a nice to have.
   


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Re: Hardware Recommendation

[Ravid Baruch Naali]

The following is my configuration which did not  required any changes:
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo T2350 1.86GHz
Memory I upgraded to 2G (full capacity)
Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express
Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
Other then that I don't think it makes a difference.

Installation went smooth like a knife in dutch butter.
I'm running emulated qemu machines developing and playing around with a
lot of pleasure.
(even eclipse runs in a fair quality)


ASAF HALILI wrote:

 Hi,
 Ravid thanks for the info.
 I have a question, all of the hardware in the dell laptot works fine
 on linux out of the box or you did some recompile of the kernel, some
 configurations etc?
 thanks, asaf.

 On 7/18/07, Ravid Baruch Naali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,

 Just recently, switched from ThinkPad R50e to Dell Inspiron 6400, for
 reason other then technicals.
 I enjoyed using my former one but even more the new one.
 The thing about the Inspiron 6400 is that it comes in many hardware
 configurations.
 Starting from CPU, hard disk, memory, graphical board etc... it even has
 the no OS option!!!
 I've installed Ubuntu Feisty Fawn (AKA kubuntu), and added any other
 feature I desired which went
 smoothly as can possibly be.
 My Laptop came with Vista which I was able to reduce it's partition
 size with no problems.
 Dell provide 3 years world wide warranty which fortunately I have no
 experience with.
 If there's a specific application or a test you wish that I'll conduct
 for you pleas let me know
 and I'd be more then happy to provide the information.

 Hope I can help
 Ravid


 Oded Arbel wrote:

  Hi All.
 
  I'm in the market for a new laptop, and I hope that people on the list
  can share their experience with current laptops, specifically in
 regards
  to Linux compatibility and reliability.
 
  I'm interested in spending less money, but still get a brand with good
  (preferably world-wide) support - otherwise I'd go with a good
 Thinkpad
  which I know from experience is a great product, so currently I'm
  looking at these brands:
  HP Pavillon
  Compaq Presario
  Dell (whatever - can't make heads or tails of their brand names)
 
  Also a couple related questions:
  - Did anyone have any success in getting a brand laptop in Israel
  without paying the MS-Windows tax ?
  - Did anyone manage to get a Dell with Ubuntu installed ? From talking
  to some Israeli sales reps that distribute Dell laptops I got mostly
  huh?!?s.
 
  Thanks in advance
 
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Re: Hardware Recommendation

[Oded Arbel]

On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 10:14 +0300, Ravid Baruch Naali wrote:
 The following is my configuration which did not  required any changes:
 CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo T2350 1.86GHz
 Memory I upgraded to 2G (full capacity)
 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express
 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
 Other then that I don't think it makes a difference.

What about (in decreasing order of importance)
* wireless networking ?
* sound support ? What type of chipset is the laptop using - in the past
I had some issues with sound under MBs with ICH8, specifically low sound
quality and the inability to turn off the speakers when attaching
headphones.
* Multimedia keys ? the Inspiron 6400 comes with quite a few of those
(http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3089review=Dell
+Inspiron+6400)
* SD card reader ?
* S-Video output ?

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Re: Hardware Recommendation

[Ravid Baruch Naali]

Oded Arbel wrote:

 On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 10:14 +0300, Ravid Baruch Naali wrote:
   
 The following is my configuration which did not  required any changes:
 CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo T2350 1.86GHz
 Memory I upgraded to 2G (full capacity)
 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express
 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
 Other then that I don't think it makes a difference.
 

 What about (in decreasing order of importance)
 * wireless networking ?
   
Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN
Mini-PCI Card
Using it anywhere around the house.
 * sound support ? What type of chipset is the laptop using - in the past
 I had some issues with sound under MBs with ICH8, specifically low sound
 quality and the inability to turn off the speakers when attaching
 headphones.
   
Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition
Audio Controller
Listening to music using skype.
 * Multimedia keys ? the Inspiron 6400 comes with quite a few of those
 (http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3089review=Dell
 +Inspiron+6400)
   
Have them all never tried using them on Ubuntu
 * SD card reader ?
   
Generic system peripheral [0805]: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822
SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter
 * S-Video output ?
   
It's integrated in the display controller, also had no experience yet


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Re: Hardware Recommendation

[Oded Arbel]

On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 16:49 +0300, Ravid Baruch Naali wrote:
  What about (in decreasing order of importance)
  * wireless networking ?

 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN
 Mini-PCI Card
 Using it anywhere around the house.

Did it work for you out of the box ? I use a broadcom based PCMCIA
wireless card and I had to manually extract the firmware from the
windows driver package in order to get it to work.

  * sound support ? What type of chipset is the laptop using - in the past
  I had some issues with sound under MBs with ICH8, specifically low sound
  quality and the inability to turn off the speakers when attaching
  headphones.

 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition
 Audio Controller

AFAIK new computers come with ICH8. I would love to hear some success
stories from people who have ICH8 on their laptops and do not have sound
problems.

 Listening to music using skype.

Skype ?!?

  * Multimedia keys ? the Inspiron 6400 comes with quite a few of those
  (http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3089review=Dell
  +Inspiron+6400)

 Have them all never tried using them on Ubuntu

Try to start the gnome shortcut manager, choose to edit some shortcut
you don't care about and hit a multimedia key. If it is supported, you
should see something in the shortcut column (possibly something like
0xea). If it doesn't work then you should see nothing changed. You'd
need to click on the shortcut again, to enter edit mode, after each time
it detects a key.

I'd also be interested if you can check how the KDE shortcut manager
likes your multimedia keys.

  * SD card reader ?

 Generic system peripheral [0805]: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822
 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter

Did you try it ? I'm not interested in the specific model - just if it
works.

  * S-Video output ?

 It's integrated in the display controller, also had no experience yet

That's less important - just a nice to have.
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Oded


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Re: Hardware Recommendation

[Amos Shapira]

On 20/07/07, Oded Arbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  * sound support ? What type of chipset is the laptop using - in the

past

  I had some issues with sound under MBs with ICH8, specifically low

sound

  quality and the inability to turn off the speakers when attaching
  headphones.
 
 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition
 Audio Controller

AFAIK new computers come with ICH8. I would love to hear some success
stories from people who have ICH8 on their laptops and do not have sound
problems.


My Dimension 520 desktop comes with an ICH8 and so far I haven't got around
to investigate how to make sound work on Debian Etch. I just connected the
audio cable to the new monitor and tried to play something and it didn't
work.

Here is what lspci -vvv gives on this device, the unknown device is a
bit discouraging:

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio
Controller (rev 02)
   Subsystem: Dell Unknown device 01dd
   Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
   Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast TAbort-
TAbort- MAbort- SERR- PERR-
   Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes
   Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 169
   Region 0: Memory at dffdc000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
   Capabilities: access denied

Here is lsmod | grep snd:

snd_hda_intel  23708  1
snd_hda_codec 184192  1 snd_hda_intel
snd_pcm_oss48672  0
snd_mixer_oss  21888  2 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm89096  3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer  29192  1 snd_pcm
snd65256  6
snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
soundcore  15392  2 snd
snd_page_alloc 14864  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm

ALSA's web site doesn't list ICH8 either: http://tinyurl.com/8hskq, which is
VERY discouraging. On the other hand the alsa-users mailing list archive
contains a message which claims that ALSA does support this chip:
http://tinyurl.com/2hegbu Maybe I'll end up moving the Sound Blaster Live!
from my old machine (which for some reason Windows XP refuses to work with).

My usual first step in such situations is to try to boot latest Ubuntu live
CD - if it recognizes the config then I copy it from there (that's how I got
my X11 optimized a bit on my previous computer).


 Listening to music using skype.

Skype ?!?


Yes,  sounds weird to me too. Skype was the only program which could
deep-freeze my linux. I have to keep quiting and re-starting it after every
call (whether it succeeded or failed) to avoid freezes.

--Amos

Re: Hardware Recommendation

[ASAF HALILI]

Hi,
Ravid thanks for the info.
I have a question, all of the hardware in the dell laptot works fine
on linux out of the box or you did some recompile of the kernel, some
configurations etc?
thanks, asaf.

On 7/18/07, Ravid Baruch Naali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi all,

Just recently, switched from ThinkPad R50e to Dell Inspiron 6400, for
reason other then technicals.
I enjoyed using my former one but even more the new one.
The thing about the Inspiron 6400 is that it comes in many hardware
configurations.
Starting from CPU, hard disk, memory, graphical board etc... it even has
the no OS option!!!
I've installed Ubuntu Feisty Fawn (AKA kubuntu), and added any other
feature I desired which went
smoothly as can possibly be.
My Laptop came with Vista which I was able to reduce it's partition
size with no problems.
Dell provide 3 years world wide warranty which fortunately I have no
experience with.
If there's a specific application or a test you wish that I'll conduct
for you pleas let me know
and I'd be more then happy to provide the information.

Hope I can help
Ravid


Oded Arbel wrote:

 Hi All.

 I'm in the market for a new laptop, and I hope that people on the list
 can share their experience with current laptops, specifically in regards
 to Linux compatibility and reliability.

 I'm interested in spending less money, but still get a brand with good
 (preferably world-wide) support - otherwise I'd go with a good Thinkpad
 which I know from experience is a great product, so currently I'm
 looking at these brands:
 HP Pavillon
 Compaq Presario
 Dell (whatever - can't make heads or tails of their brand names)

 Also a couple related questions:
 - Did anyone have any success in getting a brand laptop in Israel
 without paying the MS-Windows tax ?
 - Did anyone manage to get a Dell with Ubuntu installed ? From talking
 to some Israeli sales reps that distribute Dell laptops I got mostly
 huh?!?s.

 Thanks in advance

 --
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Re: Hardware Recommendation

[Shahar Dag]

Hi

You should also consider the quality of the service you can get in Israel.
from rommers HP aren't so good
from personal experience IBM tends to be petty (for example if you have a 
tiny crack in the case, they may refuse to fix a problem in the computer 
unless you will also replace the case)


have fun
Shahar
- Original Message - 
From: Oded Arbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: Hardware Recommendation



Hi All.

I'm in the market for a new laptop, and I hope that people on the list
can share their experience with current laptops, specifically in regards
to Linux compatibility and reliability.

I'm interested in spending less money, but still get a brand with good
(preferably world-wide) support - otherwise I'd go with a good Thinkpad
which I know from experience is a great product, so currently I'm
looking at these brands:
HP Pavillon
Compaq Presario
Dell (whatever - can't make heads or tails of their brand names)

Also a couple related questions:
- Did anyone have any success in getting a brand laptop in Israel
without paying the MS-Windows tax ?
- Did anyone manage to get a Dell with Ubuntu installed ? From talking
to some Israeli sales reps that distribute Dell laptops I got mostly
huh?!?s.

Thanks in advance

--
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Re: Hardware Recommendation

[Mike Tewner]

I'd also be wary of computers stores in Israel -

A customer was screaming at the store people - it seems they switched out
his Micron memory for Generic brand. The store just said it's the same
thing - you won't notice the difference




On 7/17/07, Shahar Dag [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi

You should also consider the quality of the service you can get in Israel.
from rommers HP aren't so good
from personal experience IBM tends to be petty (for example if you have a
tiny crack in the case, they may refuse to fix a problem in the computer
unless you will also replace the case)

have fun
Shahar
- Original Message -
From: Oded Arbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: Hardware Recommendation


 Hi All.

 I'm in the market for a new laptop, and I hope that people on the list
 can share their experience with current laptops, specifically in regards
 to Linux compatibility and reliability.

 I'm interested in spending less money, but still get a brand with good
 (preferably world-wide) support - otherwise I'd go with a good Thinkpad
 which I know from experience is a great product, so currently I'm
 looking at these brands:
 HP Pavillon
 Compaq Presario
 Dell (whatever - can't make heads or tails of their brand names)

 Also a couple related questions:
 - Did anyone have any success in getting a brand laptop in Israel
 without paying the MS-Windows tax ?
 - Did anyone manage to get a Dell with Ubuntu installed ? From talking
 to some Israeli sales reps that distribute Dell laptops I got mostly
 huh?!?s.

 Thanks in advance

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Re: Hardware Recommendation

[Mike Tewner]

Be sure to check out
http://consumerist.com/consumer/insiders/22-confessions-of-a-former-dell-sales-manager-268831.phpif
you're in the market for a dell.

-mike

On 7/15/07, Oded Arbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 18:11 +0200, ASAF HALILI wrote:
 about the ibm thinkpad, all of the series known as great laptops,
 comfortable to use and very massive computers.
 if you have the budget, go for it, about the linux support i'm not
 sure.

I've used several Thinkpad models and all support Linux very well,
including support for the special keys, bluetooth, wireless and
possibly even the fingerprint reader (haven't tried it and it isn't
bundled yet with major distros). Didn't have any problem at all in
installation and day to day usage, though the Intel GMA versions might
be a bit problematic if you don't use the most recent X.org version with
the new (and experimental) intel mode setting driver. Also I wasn't
very successful with using 3D acceleration with the ATI versions - even
with ATI's binary driver.


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Hardware Recommendation

[Oded Arbel]

Hi All.

I'm in the market for a new laptop, and I hope that people on the list
can share their experience with current laptops, specifically in regards
to Linux compatibility and reliability.

I'm interested in spending less money, but still get a brand with good
(preferably world-wide) support - otherwise I'd go with a good Thinkpad
which I know from experience is a great product, so currently I'm
looking at these brands:
HP Pavillon
Compaq Presario
Dell (whatever - can't make heads or tails of their brand names)

Also a couple related questions:
- Did anyone have any success in getting a brand laptop in Israel
without paying the MS-Windows tax ?
- Did anyone manage to get a Dell with Ubuntu installed ? From talking
to some Israeli sales reps that distribute Dell laptops I got mostly
huh?!?s.

Thanks in advance

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Re: Hardware Recommendation

[ASAF HALILI]

Hi,
I also looking for new laptop,
I checked few laptops about the linux support and i asked at whatsup about
the dell inpiron 6400,
the laptop i will probably buy, here is the thread:
http://www.whatsup.co.il/index.php?name=PNphpBB2file=viewtopicp=251575
this dell is at reasonable price and with good performance,
I read a reviews about it and I like it, It's great to my needs.
about the ibm thinkpad, all of the series known as great laptops,
comfortable to use and very massive computers.
if you have the budget, go for it, about the linux support i'm not sure.
asaf.
On 7/15/07, Oded Arbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi All.

I'm in the market for a new laptop, and I hope that people on the list
can share their experience with current laptops, specifically in regards
to Linux compatibility and reliability.

I'm interested in spending less money, but still get a brand with good
(preferably world-wide) support - otherwise I'd go with a good Thinkpad
which I know from experience is a great product, so currently I'm
looking at these brands:
HP Pavillon
Compaq Presario
Dell (whatever - can't make heads or tails of their brand names)

Also a couple related questions:
- Did anyone have any success in getting a brand laptop in Israel
without paying the MS-Windows tax ?
- Did anyone manage to get a Dell with Ubuntu installed ? From talking
to some Israeli sales reps that distribute Dell laptops I got mostly
huh?!?s.

Thanks in advance

--
Oded


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Re: Hardware Recommendation

[Geoffrey S. Mendelson]

On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 06:11:55PM +0200, ASAF HALILI wrote:
 I also looking for new laptop,
 I checked few laptops about the linux support and i asked at whatsup about
 the dell inpiron 6400,
 the laptop i will probably buy, here is the thread:
 http://www.whatsup.co.il/index.php?name=PNphpBB2file=viewtopicp=251575
 this dell is at reasonable price and with good performance,

Just make sure that you understand the warranty. It may only be valid
in Israel, or if you buy it in the U.S. it may only be valid in
the U.S.

You also have to be careful that the computer you buy is the computer
you want. DELL does not make their laptops, they farm it out to several
manufacturers in the Pacific rim. Each manufacturer has to fulfill
certain requirments with their products and all versions of the same
model take the same battery, power adaptor etc, but they may have
different internal parts, chip sets, etc.

Computers are imported in batches. If a batch runs out, the next 
batch may be a different submodel as the manufacturer moved on
to different chips, or they came from a different manufacturer.

I don't know how things work here, when I lived in the U.S. things
were rated by a magazine called Consumer Reports (similar to Which?
for the Brits on this list). By the time consumer reports got around
to testing consumer electronics including computers, they were
already discontinued by the manufacturer. 

Things that were rated best buy were often really impossible buy.

Geoff.

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Re: Hardware Recommendation

[Oded Arbel]

On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 18:11 +0200, ASAF HALILI wrote:
 about the ibm thinkpad, all of the series known as great laptops,
 comfortable to use and very massive computers. 
 if you have the budget, go for it, about the linux support i'm not
 sure.

I've used several Thinkpad models and all support Linux very well,
including support for the special keys, bluetooth, wireless and
possibly even the fingerprint reader (haven't tried it and it isn't
bundled yet with major distros). Didn't have any problem at all in
installation and day to day usage, though the Intel GMA versions might
be a bit problematic if you don't use the most recent X.org version with
the new (and experimental) intel mode setting driver. Also I wasn't
very successful with using 3D acceleration with the ATI versions - even
with ATI's binary driver.


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