Re: Recommendation for a Laptop
On Thursday 05 April 2007, Dotan Cohen wrote: I'm using a Dell Inspiron 6400 lappy with Fedora Core 6. At the time I bought it, one HAD to purchase Windowx XP with it, but now I think that you have a choice of Vista or some Linux distro, I don't know which. I don't think that any lappy today comes without Vista. OK. 10. All hardware works with open source drivers, at least on Linux. FreeBSD would be a big plus. I haven't had a chance to test the bluetooth, and the wifi/video card may need closed source drivers. I don't understand why you are so uptight about using open source drivers when you plan on dualbooting with Windows. Should I remind you that windows is not open source? Windows is not open-source. I hate its usability, power and robustness, but I guess I can still use it under VMware. Opera[1], VMware Workstation, Flash, etc. are also not open source, but they're user-land applications and high-quality to some extent. And they don't interfere with my rest of the work in my otherwise 100% free software Linux distribution. However, proprietary drivers in Linux are Evil with a capital E. See: http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2006/08/why_binaryonly_linux_kernel_mo.html http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/ols_2006_keynote.html http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html (a petition I started). Regards, Shlomi Fish [1] - Just for the record, I dislike using Opera, find it an inferior browser in comparison to Konqueror and Firefox, and just use it to test my web-sites, in order to have yet-another browser to test with. Even if it was superior, I wouldn't have used it because it's not open-source. - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ If it's not in my E-mail it doesn't happen. And if my E-mail is saying one thing, and everything else says something else - E-mail will conquer. -- An Israeli Linuxer = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommendation for a Laptop
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:23:36 +0300 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 05 April 2007, Dotan Cohen wrote: I'm using a Dell Inspiron 6400 lappy with Fedora Core 6. At the time I bought it, one HAD to purchase Windowx XP with it, but now I think that you have a choice of Vista or some Linux distro, I don't know which. I don't think that any lappy today comes without Vista. Some you can still get with XP. Also, you can have a look at MSI sold by ivory, they sell their laptops with no OS (of course you can buy M$ for oem prices, and I think now they advertise the laptop price without the OS) I don't know about linux capability, I can get access to a recent one to see how ubuntu live cd or knopix run on it if there is interest. I think that at least most of them use nvidia though which I seem to recall needs the proprietary driver for 3d but I'm not sure (my current 4 year old lappy has a ati rage mobility so ...) OK. 10. All hardware works with open source drivers, at least on Linux. FreeBSD would be a big plus. I haven't had a chance to test the bluetooth, and the wifi/video card may need closed source drivers. I don't understand why you are so uptight about using open source drivers when you plan on dualbooting with Windows. Should I remind you that windows is not open source? Windows is not open-source. I hate its usability, power and robustness, but I guess I can still use it under VMware. Opera[1], VMware Workstation, Flash, etc. are also not open source, but they're user-land applications and high-quality to some extent. And they don't interfere with my rest of the work in my otherwise 100% free software Linux distribution. However, proprietary drivers in Linux are Evil with a capital E. See: http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2006/08/why_binaryonly_linux_kernel_mo.html http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/ols_2006_keynote.html http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html (a petition I started). Can't comment about these although at least in the field of graphic cards I can understand the manufacturers. Regards, Shlomi Fish [1] - Just for the record, I dislike using Opera, find it an inferior browser in comparison to Konqueror and Firefox, and just use it to test my web-sites, in order to have yet-another browser to test with. Even if it was superior, I wouldn't have used it because it's not open-source. I don't use Konqueror since I don't like kde (both it and gnome have the hobby of trying to take over the world by flooding it with daemons). Opera usually misbehaves and firefox/iceweasel/swiftfox (which is the least worse solution I found since most sites don't work well with w3m and similar) hog the memory like a starved rino (150MB min with the occasional habit of going to over 600MB). Not that I can say that explorer is any better, I'm still waiting for a decent browser to appear. - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ If it's not in my E-mail it doesn't happen. And if my E-mail is saying one thing, and everything else says something else - E-mail will conquer. -- An Israeli Linuxer = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommendation for a Laptop
On 10/04/07, Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't use Konqueror since I don't like kde (both it and gnome have the hobby of trying to take over the world by flooding it with daemons). Opera usually misbehaves and firefox/iceweasel/swiftfox (which is the least worse solution I found since most sites don't work well with w3m and similar) hog the memory like a starved rino (150MB min with the occasional habit of going to over 600MB). Not that I can say that explorer is any better, I'm still waiting for a decent browser to appear. Lynx maybe? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/adsl.html http://essentialinux.com/linux-software.php = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recommendation for a Laptop
Hi all! I'm looking to buy a laptop. It should be able to run any of WinXP Professional, Win2003 Professional (both with some optional drivers, all included), Mandriva 2007.1 (out of the box) and Debian Testing (possibly with some tweaking). Since I'll be running Windows on VMware or booting from MSWin, I don't mind paying the MS tax. I don't want Vista pre-installed, though (!) - only WinXP or Win2003. What I need: 1. FOSS 3-D drivers. 2. FOSS Ethernet drivers. 3. Working screen. 4. Working external projector/screen connector. 5. Big hard disk - at least 80 GB. 6. At least 2 GB of RAM. 7. I don't mind buying a separate USB wifi connector with FOSS drivers (but possibly non-FOSS firmware). 8. A well-known company. (Lenovo, Dell, HP, etc.) 9. Good experience with it. 10. All hardware works with open source drivers, at least on Linux. FreeBSD would be a big plus. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ If it's not in my E-mail it doesn't happen. And if my E-mail is saying one thing, and everything else says something else - E-mail will conquer. -- An Israeli Linuxer = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommendation for a Laptop
I'm using a Dell Inspiron 6400 lappy with Fedora Core 6. At the time I bought it, one HAD to purchase Windowx XP with it, but now I think that you have a choice of Vista or some Linux distro, I don't know which. I don't think that any lappy today comes without Vista. What I need: 1. FOSS 3-D drivers. I've never tried 3D, but for everyday use the Radeon x1400 card in this Dell works just fine. 2. FOSS Ethernet drivers. Wireless and wired internet work fine. Did take some tweaking, though, and I cannot promised that I used only open source drivers (but I think so). 3. Working screen. At it's native 1400x1050 resolution. 4. Working external projector/screen connector. Check. 5. Big hard disk - at least 80 GB. That's what I've got, at 7200 RPM. Could have gone even bigger. 6. At least 2 GB of RAM. Check. 7. I don't mind buying a separate USB wifi connector with FOSS drivers (but possibly non-FOSS firmware). Built in. 8. A well-known company. (Lenovo, Dell, HP, etc.) It is a Dell. 9. Good experience with it. I'm happy so far. The thing scratches just by looking at it, and the rubber feet fell off in less than a month. Other than that, I'm rather happy. 10. All hardware works with open source drivers, at least on Linux. FreeBSD would be a big plus. I haven't had a chance to test the bluetooth, and the wifi/video card may need closed source drivers. I don't understand why you are so uptight about using open source drivers when you plan on dualbooting with Windows. Should I remind you that windows is not open source? Regards, Shlomi Fish Was it you who said don't worry? :) Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/288/k-ci_and_jojo.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/activex.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommendation for a Laptop
El jue, 05-04-2007 a las 22:30 +0300, Dotan Cohen escribió: I'm using a Dell Inspiron 6400 lappy with Fedora Core 6. At the time I bought it, one HAD to purchase Windowx XP with it, but now I think that you have a choice of Vista or some Linux distro, I don't know which. I don't think that any lappy today comes without Vista. I had a short conversation with Alex Pinchev of Red Hat last week and he told me that Dell choose Ubuntu as the distro to be preinstalled from factory at some their laptops. I don´t know if these laptops will also provided with some Windows version or proprietary drivers, but they would work well with any other major distro without tricky solutions for drivers. Julian -- Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
