[OpenFontLibrary] Windows 8+ MSIE 10 required! eep...
Microsoft has some nice demo pages of OT features on the web: _http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Graphics/opentype/_ (http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Graphics/opentype/) Cheers, Dave I get this error message with MSIE on that page: Hi! You are viewing this site in a browser that doesn't support OpenType. If you want the real deal, get a browser that supports OpenType like Internet Explorer 10+ or Firefox 8+. Apparently to get a copy of MSIE 10 which will do this, I need to be using Windows 8 Beta. The page looks great in FireFox.
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OpenFontLibrary Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1
What if the correct location of the glyph is only represented in the loca table and not avalible to compute from other data in the font?
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] WOFF Ultra Condensed
In this proposal, we've tried to strike a balance between complexity and aggressiveness of compression. The biggest gains by far come from better compression of the glyf table (and eliminating the loca table altogether), so basically this proposal squeezes this table to the maximum. Why is it a good idea to remove the glyph location loca table?
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] sample images
What you are proposing is slightly different; associating sample images with individual fonts. How would you prefer this to work? Either we create a separate uploader for images, or OFLB can automatically display any image files inside the zip. Perhaps we could decide on a guideline resolution and format for these? For example, 950px by 950px and .PNG, any color depth. Conforming ones found inside the zip could be put up automatically and displayed in various layouts, non-conforming ones could be displayed in a different way. FF
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] WOFF with SIL OFL
There is now a WOFF entry: - - - 8 - - - Question: 2.2 Can I make and use WOFF (Web Open Font Format) versions of OFL fonts? Answer: Yes, but you need to be careful. A change in font format normally is considered modification, and Reserved Font Names (RFNs) cannot be used. Because of the design of the WOFF format, however, it is possible to create a WOFF version that is not considered modification, and so would not require a name change. You are allowed to create, use and distribute a WOFF version of an OFL font without changing the font name, but only if: the original font data remains unchanged except for WOFF compression, and WOFF-specific metadata is either omitted altogether or present and includes, unaltered, the contents of all equivalent metadata in the original font. If the original font data or metadata is changed, or the WOFF-specific metadata is incomplete, the font must be considered a Modified Version, the OFL restrictions would apply and the name of the font must be changed: any RFNs cannot be used and copyright notices and licensing information must be included and cannot be deleted or modified. You must come up with a unique name - we recommend one corresponding to your domain or your particular web application. Be aware that only the original author(s) can use RFNs. This is to prevent collisions between a derivative tuned to your audience and the original upstream version and so to reduce confusion. Please note that most WOFF conversion tools and online services do not meet the two requirements listed above, and so their output must be considered a Modified Version. So be very careful and check to be sure that the tool or service you're using is compressing unchanged data and completely and accurately reflecting the original font metadata. Question: 2.3 What about other webfont formats such as EOT/EOTLite/CWT/etc.? Answer: In most cases these formats alter the original font data more than WOFF, and do not completely support appropriate metadata, so their use must be considered modification and RFNs may not be used. - - - 8 - - - Thanks to Nicolas Spalinger for all his great work on the SIL OFL :-) Cheers Dave This gives me a website (and project) idea: Someone should make a website which has all the open fonts from the openfontlibrary in woff and eot and svg files (one for each individual glyph). It would be a big batch conversion project, and you would have to follow the requirements outlined for the SIL OFL fonts (but not the public domain fonts) but it would be worth doing. You should follow SIL's requirements even when working with the public domain fonts as to not create confusion or two different ways of doing the same thing. One key thing to do: Make sure the font's license is embedded in the new file in the other format. I assert that any distribution of a SIL OFL font by anyone without that license embedded in the newly converted file would be a violation of the SIL OFL, *IF* that file's format is capable of having a license entry. Likewise, The text of the Creative Commons Public Domain Dedication needs to be embedded in the converted fonts which are dedicated to the Public Domain. DO NOT distribute any without it. Eric Way
[OpenFontLibrary] Languages / Fonts
Does anyone know of for example a list of Languages which have say: over 1 Million current speakers worldwide and no font avalibility?
[OpenFontLibrary] Multilicense your license fonts
How about letting people who upload fonts to openfontlibrary select more than one license for their font? IE: Let them pick GNU GPL The Boost C++ Libraries License FREEBSD License The MIT License SIL OFL The Apache 2.0 License Public Domain all at once for a font?
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What sort of weird glyphs do you mean?
What sort of weird glyphs do you mean? I'm not sure I understand. Thanks, Nate -- ^^^ Mainly those in the text of books, from the 17th and 18th centuries. I've noticed in this book that the c's and t's are one glyph(ct). That kind of thing. (or have people already covered that stuff somewhere?) _http://books.google.com/books?id=R9nPMAAJprintsec=frontcover#v=onepage qf=false_ (http://books.google.com/books?id=R9nPMAAJprintsec=frontcover#v=onepageqf=false) FF
[OpenFontLibrary] collaborative font idea for openfontlibrary list members:
What about a font which incorporates every weird glyph in any expired public domain book (pre-1923). Starting with the more scholarly tomesThe old standards. For Example: Bouvier's Law Dictionary, 1914 Edition. Volume 3. FontFreedom
[OpenFontLibrary] CC0 vs. CC-PD
On 30 June 2010 13:47, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: please use the CC licence that was written for public-domain-like needs _http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/_ (http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/) ^ CC-Zero is fairly new, and is different from CC-PD. There are many new issues introduced by CC0, such as: Unlike the Public Domain Certification, CC0 should not be used to mark works already in the public domain. _http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/_ (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/) We need to have a discussion on the differences between CC-PD and CCZero. Most if not all Public Domain fonts in the openfontlibrary are CC-PD, not CCZero.
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] PostScript open source fonts
So yes I was wondering about PostScript?are any open source fonts being distributed as PostScript? I see mainly TTF. ^^ The is a big set of open source fonts avalible for download in PostScript (Adobe Type 1 Font format) called the Computer Modern Fonts (by Donald Knuth). The Computer Modern Fonts are explicitly Dedicated to the Public Domain by the copyright holder. Recently, some people have made changes to the font set including converting them to otf/ttf and relicensed those changes under various licenses including the SIL OFL and a modified X11 license. When using the SIL OFL and/or x11mod licensed version of the fonts: Any glyph for which no substansive changes have been made remains in the public domain, while glyphs with substansive modifications would be subject to the terms of the SIL OFL and/or x11mod. Eric Way
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OpenFontLibrary Digest, Vol 54, Issue 1
I'm confused. You're pretty clear about what you think of Dave (though I have no idea why you come to that conclusion) - but you're not that clear about the domain: It is currently forwarding to openfontlibrary.org, but that may change. Also. Someone please fire Dave. FontFreedom Is there a planned change from the frame linking to proper forwarding? I see no way how having active .org AND .com domains can be beneficial to the project. Cheers, Robert Mr. Martinez: The reason for openfontlibrary.com being what it (was) is to encourage font developers to stop using the SIL Open Font License for their fonts. Certain people (such as Dave Crossland) believe strongly in the SIL Open Font License. Whatever changes are made to the domain pointing / hosting / etc... They will have to be determined through discourse. Mr. Eric Way FontBasis 1 Market Plaza Spear Tower Suite 3500 San Francisco, CA 94105
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OpenFontLibrary Digest, Vol 53, Issue 20
In a message dated 5/31/2010 12:01:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, openfontlibrary-requ...@lists.freedesktop.org writes: Hi Eric! On 31 May 2010 07:44, fontfree...@aol.com wrote: Tentatively, We have assigned Den Haag, ?Nederland, European Union as the Fontbasis second city. Please set up a mailing list for Fontbasis-specific information. I would like to avoid confusing people new to this list who might think that what you are doing with fontbasis is related to the Open Font Library. Cheers Dave Except, of course...We are going to setup OPENFONTLIBRARY.COM as part of FontBasis. Eric Way Openfontlibrary.COM / FontBasis.Org
[OpenFontLibrary] Designation
Tentatively, We have assigned Den Haag, Nederland, European Union as the Fontbasis second city. Eric Way 1 Market Plaza Suite 3600 San Francisco, CA 94105
[OpenFontLibrary] FontBasis Branch office opening in Fresno
I am designating FRESNO, CA as our 1st branch office. Eric Way
[OpenFontLibrary] FontBASIS.ORG
Coming SOON: An international eclectic mix of Public Domain and CopyCenter License fonts _www.fontbasis.org_ (http://www.fontbasis.org) Website is NOT up yet for those who don't know it's ip address. Snail Mail / Offices for meetings: FontBasis.ORG 1 Market Plaza, Spear Tower 36th Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 FontFreedom
[OpenFontLibrary] Seeking Open Fonts Hires
Seeking Individuals interested in Open Fonts and licenses. for: Work for fontbasis.org This is ONLY avalible to those qualified under certain work rules our entity is required to comply with under U.S. Federal and State law: To qualify to work for us, you must meet these conditions: 1) You may not be a Resident of The United States of America. 2) You may not be a Citizen or National of The United States of America. 3) You may not have ever served in the United States Military or have previously held United States Citizenship. Eric Way / Fontbasis.org Coming SOON: An international eclectic mix of Public Domain and CopyCenter License fonts _www.fontbasis.org_ (http://www.fontbasis.org) Mail resumes to: FontBasis.ORG 1 Market Plaza, Spear Tower 36th Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 FontFreedom
[OpenFontLibrary] Open Font People Resumes...
Address Correction: All resumes should be sent to: Mr. Eric Way 1 Market Plaza Spear Tower Suite 3500 San Francisco, CA 94105 Thanks, FontFreedom
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] New font upload: Chess by Zeimusu
Fac Has anyone been able to use this new font? (Chess by Zeimusu) Fac A 4KB .otf font? Hmm... 14kb, not 4. Its a chess font. So the glyphs are rook, knight, bishop, king, queen, pawn - in white and in black. That is 12 glyphs. Hence, a small font. The 14kb file is a new upload, version 1.1. The old one was 4.39kb Version 1.0. The new 14kb v1.1 upload appears to work. FF
[OpenFontLibrary] Server Side SVG
So, what was the name of that server side svg renderer written in C which you were mentioning today? C and C++ are my favorite tools to develop websites with, btw... PHP certainly has it's place, but apparently mere mortals are able to code in PHP as well. --Eric Way
[OpenFontLibrary] Meeting with Jon Phillips
I wanted the group to know that I had a very positive meeting with Meeting with Jon Phillips yesterday in San Francisco. We discussed openfontlibrary, my new open font website in development, and numerous websites Jon and I are working on which have nothing to do with fonts. (web based vector design software, social networking, tech law, and more) In person, Jon is MUCH more down to earth than I had expected. We dined on canned peaches and a Charlston Chew. Eric Way (FontFreedom)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OpenFontLibrary Digest, Vol 52, Issue 7
In a message dated 4/14/2010 12:00:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, openfontlibrary-requ...@lists.freedesktop.org writes: From: Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com Subject: Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OpenFontLibrary: Proposed Meeting in San Francisco To: Open Font Library openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org Message-ID: o2z2285a9d21004132125t60b2ac4dg1bf01f5384422...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, I will be in SF for TUG.org conference in June, I think, and up north for fontconf.com. For all of May (well, from the 8th) I will be in Brussels for LGM. What do you want to discuss? Pointing openfontlibrary.com to .org? :) Regards, Dave Dave! Ooops! I just did that...Openfontlibrary.com is now pointed to openfontlibrary.org. Dang, maybe it was just an accident...won't really know till...I...make up my mind... Eric Way fontfreedom at aol .com AIM: Fontfreedom
[OpenFontLibrary] BTW...Openfontlibrary.com had it's own dedicated server hosted at 100tb.com
BTW...Openfontlibrary.com had it's own dedicated server hosted at 100tb.com If anyone has any ideas for that now basically empty server, shoot me an email. If you want to know what i'm into, just read my prior emails on openfontlibrary archives. Eric Way FF
[OpenFontLibrary] OpenFontLibrary: Proposed Meeting in San Francisco
I would like to propose an in person meeting to discuss Openfontlibrary in San Francisco, CA in about a month. I have some ideas as to exactly where (Market Street Locations) I would like to have the meeting. So, May 13th, SF? FF
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] PT sans dual-licensed now
License issues need to be priority one for OFLB.
[OpenFontLibrary] OpenID = Let the spam roll in like crazy.
OpenID = Let the spam roll in like crazy. I've used it on my sites b4...I do drupal dev, and that's just it...
[OpenFontLibrary] Commissioned-then-Open Font Model - was: New Ubuntu Fon
I think that many authors of software libraries - programmers - understand how they can make more money with free software than with proprietary software, which is why so much free software library code exists. This is less true of applications programmers, and even less true of type designers. ^ For many software authors, yes, they can make more with open source, but for MOST authors of software libraries, that is simply false. Programmers understand that releasing their software libraries as proprietary will make more money in the long run.
[OpenFontLibrary] epic fail: French Anti-Piracy Organisation Uses Pirated Font
An object lesson in being sure that fonts are used within the terms of their license. The design agency for Hadopi, the French agency overseeing the controversial 'three strikes' law that removes Internet access from households after three illegal download warnings, itself used a copy of an exclusive corporate typeface design made for France Telecom, stolen copies of which have appeared on warez sites. (The other font used was also unlicensed, but is at least *available* for licensing, and a copy was purchased some two months after the logo went into use). http://fontfeed.com/archives/french-anti-piracy-organisation-uses-pirated-f ont-in-ownlogo/ One more pirated font they should cut off the French anti piracy agency's internet access...
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] PT Sans
Personally, I agree on not hosting it with a goofy licen(s|c)e, whether it is plagiarized or not. People always have the option of distributing elsewhere. If Paratype will provide it to us under OFL, I think thats an okay compromise; we have tried to advise them of the problems with their own license, but if they choose not to listen, that's okay, we can do no more. SIL could sue them...
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Openfontlibrary uniforms?
Heh, I'd be then what we here in matushka Rossiya call svadebny general (a kind of traditional military high rank guy at a marriage to make the marriage ceremony look more solid). Generally I don't mind as long as you don't make me wear uniform or a stupid serious face :) Or drink alcohol :) Openfontlibrary uniforms? Excellent idea... How about purple jumpsuits with pink polka dots decorated by neon green rank insignia in the shape of letters. Wearing that could EASILY drive you to drink. haha
[OpenFontLibrary] Downtime / What to do about it??
I happen to be feeling a bit frustrated with the openfontlibrary.org downtime. I'm considering frame forwarding openfontlibrary.net to http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org, but I don't really want to pull the DNS off OSUOSL if OSUOSL is going to do something about making http://www.openfontlibrary.net work as a backup as would have hoped it would have during openfontlibrary.org downtime. I HAVE NOW put up a new status message containing a link to http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org on http://www.openfontlibrary.com so that people fumbling around by domain looking for openfontlibrary can at least find the beta site while the main site is down. FontFreedom **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115)
[OpenFontLibrary] domains / dns
I have to say i'm unimpressed with what happens with what osuosl / admins are doing with the openfontlibrary.net and openfontlibrary.info domains, which are both just redirecting to openfontlibrary.org, which is bangoed at the moment. Those two domains point to osuosl and could be used as backup for times like this. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115)
[OpenFontLibrary] Need: Publicity Partner for openfonlibrary.com, the anti-copyleft anti sil ofl
We now have a technical / programming person working hard on the pro commerce, Anti Copyleft, Anti-SIL OFL openfontlibrary.com, we need publicity people who can talk to the press about it, that kind of thing. We also need people who can do font conversions, one thing I would like to release soon is an OFL or TTF version of the Public Domain Hershey fonts. Ciao, FontFreedom **Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove0001)
[OpenFontLibrary] X11/MIT Licensed fonts
Make sure any fonts are in MIT/X11 license, not Mit License or X11 License, as there are fonts which are for example X11 license but not MIT/X11, or MIT License but not X11 License. **Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove0001)
[OpenFontLibrary] Tuffy bold as eot
That's the hot hotness. But doesn't that only work for linking to those fonts? Would it work to generate EOTs for download as well? That should be pretty easy. Here's Tuffy Bold as an eot: _http://www.openfontlibrary.com/eote/_ (http://www.openfontlibrary.com/eote/) (only works in MSIE...) **Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood0005)
[OpenFontLibrary] Typeface Copyright
No, the copyright treaties the United States has entered into specify that something copyrighted in a foreign country is not subject to copyright in the U.S. *unless* it would have been subject to copyright if it were made in the U.S. Typefaces are not subject to copyright in the U.S., no matter where they were made. FF Unless there is an actual case involving a typeface you can cite, isn't what you say just an opinion? Should it ever come to that, are you ready to shell out real money for real lawyer to prove this point? - Chris Yes, there is a major case about this: Eltra v. Ringer. This case confirms typefaces are not subject to copyright: _http://altlaw.org/v1/cases/535269_ (http://altlaw.org/v1/cases/535269) ELTRA CORPORATION, Appellant, v. Barbara A. RINGER, Appellee, International Typographic Compositon Association and Advertising Typographers Association of America, Inc., Amici Curiae. United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit June 14, 1978 579 F.2d 294; 198 U.S.P.Q. 321 E. Fulton Brylawski, Washington, D. C. (J. Michael Cleary, Robert H. Johnson, Senior Patent Atty., Eltra Corp., Toledo, Ohio, Henry W. Leeds, Mason, Fenwick Lawrence, Washington, D. C., W. Gibson Harris, Annie Marie Whittemore, McGuire, Woods Battle, Richmond, Va., on brief), for appellant. Jon A. Baumgarten, Gen. Counsel, Library of Congress, New York City (Dorothy M. Schrader, Senior Atty., Library of Congress, James H. Simmonds, Arlington, Va., on brief), for appellee. Hazel, Beckhorn Hanes, Fairfax, Va. (Cowen, Liebowitz Latman, New York City, on brief), for amici curiae International Typographic Composition Ass'n and Advertising Typographers Association of America, Inc. Before WINTER, RUSSELL and WIDENER, Circuit Judges. DONALD RUSSELL, Circuit Judge: 1 This appeal involves the application of the Copyright Act.1 The appellant is a manufacturer of typesetting equipment. It filed for registration with the Copyright Office a design of an alphabet and other typographical symbols placed on devices used in connection with its equipment. Such symbols are generally known as typeface designs.2 The design of the appellant had been prepared by a well-known typeface designer, to whom the appellant paid $11,000 for the design. It sought registration of this typeface as a work of art under the terms of what was then § 5(g) of the Copyright Act.3 The Chief of the Examining Division of the Copyright Office refused to register the design, finding that it contained no elements, either alone or in combination, which can be separately identified as a 'work of art.' Such refusal represented the final action of the Copyright Office on the proposed registration. Following this rejection, the appellant instituted in the District Court its mandamus action to compel the appellee, the Register of Copyrights, to register its proposed copyright as a work of art under § 5(g).4 Both parties made motions for summary judgment. The District Court denied the appellant's motion but granted the appellee's motion for summary judgment and dismissed the action. This appeal followed. 2 We affirm. 3 The appellant's right to registration necessarily turns on whether its design submitted for registration qualified as a work of art as that term was used in § 5(g). Congress offered no definition of work of art in the statute nor is there in the legislative history any clear declaration of Congressional intent in the use of the term. It did replace an earlier phrase, work of fine arts, used in the predecessor provision of the Act. Obviously, though, the change in phraseology was deliberately intended as a broader specification than 'works of fine arts' in the (earlier) statute.5 Primarily, it seems to have been adopted in order to eliminate any (v)erbal distinctions between purely aesthetic articles and useful works of art6 in the application of the term under the Act. And, in Mazer v. Stein (1954) 347 U.S. 201, 74 S.Ct. 460, 98 L.Ed. 630, the Court gave effect to this obvious intention of the Congress in its new phrasing. -There is plenty more to read, click on the link above if you wish to read the rest **Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood0005)
[OpenFontLibrary] Copyrights / Typefaces
On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 18:34 -0400, Joshua A.C. Newman wrote: Well, I need something both low-contrast and modern for this project. I might even start with DIN or Futura. Not sure yet. In any event, I'm pretty sure I don't have the subtlety of eye to deal with Bodoni. Watch out that although typefaces designed by US citizens in the US are not protected by copyright, other countries, and in particular Germany, do have copyright for typeface designs... (and the US does have copyright treaties these days, so if a design is copyright in Germany or Fance or the UK (say), that copyright is to be respected in the US... although it might be hard to enforce because of past cases) No, the copyright treaties the United States has entered into specify that something copyrighted in a foreign country is not subject to copyright in the U.S. *unless* it would have been subject to copyright if it were made in the U.S. Typefaces are not subject to copyright in the U.S., no matter where they were made. FF **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377052x1201454391/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62)
[OpenFontLibrary] MS font preinstall
I'm not impressed but then I'm about the only person on this list who never believed in @font-face world-saving powers in the first place. What would you have instead? :-) Browser people: 1. promoting a good complement of libre fonts so more are installed by default Unless you got MS to preinstall them, most users wouldn't have them though? Perhaps there's some way to work that into one of the antitrust cases always pending against Microsoft. Of course, i've read Microsoft has an internal directive to never allow ANYTHING with a GPL or GPL-like license into it's products, ever. FF **Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0004)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Graublau Sans
Fac Google Chrome = It uses a Sans font, and the font/shadow thing Fac works. But does it use the graublau font? Nah, just a default sans font. (Arial) Chrome's defaults are Arial for sans, Times New Roman for Serif Courier New for fixed width. I'm running Google Chrome v2.0.172.31, the current released version. Obviously, some people prefer to run beta versions of browsers, perhaps the Chrome beta has other font features as some of the other beta browsers do. Google Chrome beta: _http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/chrome/beta/_ (http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/chrome/beta/) **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823265x1201398681/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62)
[OpenFontLibrary] More about @font-face
Ie has supported it for 10 years, and a gpl eot converter is in the works. I expect ff and opera to ship within 6 months. @font face does not work with IE...What do you mean supported it? Is there a 3rd party downloadable plugin somewhere so it will work? @font face does not work with MSIE 6 or MSIE 7 or MSIE 8. Maybe it will be in MSIE 9? I have tested it in Arora (Qt 4.5) and Midori (WebKitGtk 1.1.8)... I've never heard of these browsers...They do not appear on the lists of popular browsers. Great that they work though. I suspect it is also supported in Konqueror (KHTML) Last year, that browser had 0.01% of the market. Now, it has lost ground...less than 0.01%. _http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0qptimeframe=Mqpsp=124_ (http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0qptimeframe=Mqpsp=124) Since it does work with Safari the Mac is popular in the design community, maybe some Mac web designers creating Apple oriented sites will start using it. A problem is: Even when a released browser does start supporting a new feature, many people use older browser versions. For the current May/June 2009, the top three browsers are: _http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2_ (http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2) #1 MSIE 7 (40%) #2 Firefox 3.0 (20%) #3 MSIE 6 (16%) MSIE 6 is something many web designers are still told sites MUST work perfectly with. FF **Stay connected and tighten your budget with a great mobile device for under $50. Take a Peek! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100122638x1221845911x1201401556/aol?redir=http://www.getpeek.com/aol)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] @font face: when
In a message dated 6/5/2009 1:37:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, openfontlibrary-requ...@lists.freedesktop.org writes: From: Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com Subject: Re: [OpenFontLibrary] CDN for cufon font JS? To: Open Font Library openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org Message-ID: 2285a9d20906042351s7ba7e507y56fa7ed63f73f...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, I think we will support @font-face only as 99% of browsers will support it by the end of the year :) Regards, Dave 99% by the end of the year seems a tad optimistic, as @font face is only compatible with the Apple Safari web browser for now... I've made sure I have the newest Firefox today -- still no @font-face support. Any idea when Firefox / MSIE / Google Chrome / Opera / etc will start supporting @font-face? *(BETA VERSIONS DON'T COUNT)* FF **Mortgage rates drop to record lows. $200,000 for $1,029/mo Fixed. LendingTree® (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222653866x1201461148/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.lendingtree.com%2Fborrower%2Falliance%2Ffrom.as p%3Fwhereto%3Dpromopagev3%26promo%3D00279%26loan%5Ftype%3D2%26source%3D28895 60%26esourceid%3D2889560%26800num%3D1%2D800%2D289%2D3915%26AdType%3D2)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] commercial foundries the licensing boils down to pay me
For commercial foundries the licensing boils down to pay me and thus licensing compliance is de facto checked at the credit card stage. They're not a good model for fonts with non-monetary licensing clauses. Actually, it's often worse than just pay me. Even once you've paid, would that commercial license allow you to create a derivative font for your own specialized needs or desires, even if only used internally? Probably not. FF **Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.d oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd)
[OpenFontLibrary] CRAZY PIERRE'S BARGAIN BASEMENT FREE FONT MADNESS
I like it. I think we have a lot to gain by CRAZY PIERRE'S BARGAIN BASEMENT FREE FONT MADNESS kinda parody, pulling in traffic in search of freeware fonts and converting them to yearn for libre fonts instead :) Photos of your handlebar moustaches and national flag trousers welcome :D This project moves in a new and unexpected direction everytime I check my email. LOL! FF **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377040x1201454360/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Copyrights of Typefaces
From: Dave Crossland: The problem is, I don't want to be a pariah in the type community anymore than I have to be. Regards, Dave Beyond pariah status, as you are in the U.K., involvment in such a project could subject you to civil or criminal liabilities. On 14 May 2009, 12:28 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 02:06:58PM -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Dave... If it is legal (I'm not saying it is, I'm not even a USA citizen), then what is the problem? Remember that, in USA at least, copyright is privilege not a natural right. Actually, in the United States, copyright, and other intellectual property laws are taken very, very seriously. But not in the case of typefaces. From my previous post: Material not subject to copyright.: mere variations of typographic ornamentation, lettering or coloring; - Typeface as typeface. Does the text of that law Material not subject to copyright, mere variations of typographic ornamentation, lettering or coloring, Typeface as typeface. seem insulting to anyone who as the purpose of their life and career designs fonts/typefaces? Considering the amount of work which can go into a font/typeface, the wording of that law must feel a bit insulting. FF **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823239x1201398650/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=May Excfooter51509NO62)
[OpenFontLibrary] Specific US law disallowing copyright for typefaces
_http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/display.html?terms=typefaceurl=/u scode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_0102000-notes.html_ (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/display.html?terms=typefaceurl=/uscode/html/uscode 17/usc_sec_17_0102000-notes.html) The Committee has considered, but chosen to defer, the possibility of protecting the design of typefaces. A “typeface” can be defined as a set of letters, numbers, or other symbolic characters, whose forms are related by repeating design elements consistently applied in a notational system and are intended to be embodied in articles whose intrinsic utilitarian function is for use in composing text or other cognizable combinations of characters. The Committee does not regard the design of typeface, as thus defined, to be a copyrightable “pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work” within the meaning of this bill and the application of the dividing line in section 101. ^^ The US Government has considered making typefaces copyrightable. (and decided not to.) As is currently implemented in the Material not subject to copyright section: Title 37: Patents, Trademarks, and Copyrights PART 202—PREREGISTRATION AND REGISTRATION OF CLAIMS TO COPYRIGHT Browse Next § 202.1 Material not subject to copyright. The following are examples of works not subject to copyright and applications for registration of such works cannot be entertained: (a) Words and short phrases such as names, titles, and slogans; familiar symbols or designs; mere variations of typographic ornamentation, lettering or coloring; mere listing of ingredients or contents; (b) Ideas, plans, methods, systems, or devices, as distinguished from the particular manner in which they are expressed or described in a writing; (c) Blank forms, such as time cards, graph paper, account books, diaries, bank checks, scorecards, address books, report forms, order forms and the like, which are designed for recording information and do not in themselves convey information; (d) Works consisting entirely of information that is common property containing no original authorship, such as, for example: Standard calendars, height and weight charts, tape measures and rulers, schedules of sporting events, and lists or tables taken from public documents or other common sources. (e) Typeface as typeface. **Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627952x1201 458914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819460%3B36680227%3Bi)
[OpenFontLibrary] Terminology
He and I have been discussing this for at least 2 years, and it seems we are unlikely to resolve this difference. We both agree that libre solves both our problems, and although it introduces problems of its own - it is not a native English word, and so the meaning must be explained to most people - we are happy to focus on that term as a compromise. Another alternative is to refer to our fonts as FLOSS fonts instead of libre fonts. Perhaps the closest english word is liberty? Font Liberty. lib·er·ty (lĭb'ər-tē) n. pl. lib·er·ties 1. 1. The condition of being free from restriction or control. 2. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing. 3. The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor. See Synonyms at _freedom_ (aoldb://mail/browse/freedom) . 4. A breach or overstepping of propriety or social convention. Often used in the plural. 5. A statement, attitude, or action not warranted by conditions or actualities: a historical novel that takes liberties with chronology. 6. An unwarranted risk; a chance: took foolish liberties on the ski slopes. 2. Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control. 3. A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights. 4. 1. A breach or overstepping of propriety or social convention. Often used in the plural. 2. A statement, attitude, or action not warranted by conditions or actualities: a historical novel that takes liberties with chronology. 3. An unwarranted risk; a chance: took foolish liberties on the ski slopes. 5. A period, usually short, during which a sailor is authorized to go ashore. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Houghton Mifflin Company, 2004._http://dictionary1.classic.reference.com/browse/Liberty_ (http://dictionary1.classic.reference.com/browse/Liberty) (accessed: May 13, 2009). **Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221972443x1201442012/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819441%3B36680237%3Bi)
[OpenFontLibrary] Copyrights of Typefaces
Indeed, for legitimate revivals of old printed typefaces that are in public domain Remember, ALL printed typefaces are in the Public Domain, irregardless of the copyright status of the fonts they were created from. (In the United States. Other countries laws differ considerably.) So therefore how can you say ALL printed typefaces are in the Public Domain? Clearly they are not. The UK has a 25 year copyright term. What other countries have such copyrights? I specifically say In the United States. Other countries laws differ considerably. Someone or some group in the United States could create a web site with a rasterized typeface library showing each glyph (at a very large size) of every typeface in existance, including those created from commercial fonts. Perhaps it would be a good project idea? FF **Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221972443x1201442012/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819441%3B36680237%3Bi)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Site terminology: Free/Open/Libre
Le Mer 13 mai 2009 00:19, Dave Crossland a ?crit : Another alternative is to refer to our fonts as FLOSS fonts instead of libre fonts. I'd rather not use FLOSS. It's a software-oriented acronym and whether fonts are software or not is another can of worms best avoided. _http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/antipiracy/fonts.html_ (http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/antipiracy/fonts.html) Adobe certainly thinks they are: What about fonts? Fonts are software, too. In fact, each font is a short software program. Fonts are protected under intellectual property law and are subject to the same legal usage restrictions as other software. It is illegal to do the following: Share or copy fonts beyond what the license agreement allows Include a font copy with source files for output **Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221972443x1201442012/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819441%3B36680237%3Bi)
[OpenFontLibrary] Fonts/Typefaces distinction
One of the terms was the Fonts/Typefaces distinction. Nicolas felt that the current v2 site uses the term typefaces too much (I hope you can explain here why) and I feel that since people who make new fonts/typefaces talk about themselves as typeface designers and talk about typefaces, we should speak their language as much as possible; and that the distinction between the two is quite a fine detail and its okay to refer to each as the other when not talking precisely. I suppose I must disagree due to the vast difference between a typeface and a font in terms of the U.S. law. Typefaces are public domain functional objects, while fonts are copyrighted software. FF **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322936x1201367173/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd =Mayfooter51209NO115)
[OpenFontLibrary] typefaces / fonts / licenses
Indeed, for legitimate revivals of old printed typefaces that are in public domain Remember, ALL printed typefaces are in the Public Domain, irregardless of the copyright status of the fonts they were created from. (In the United States. Other countries laws differ considerably.) FF **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd =May5509AvgfooterNO115)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Sample images
Well I was speaking about cultural production in a broader sense, not necessarily related to free culture. Because IMHO free culture is like an avant-garde niece to more conventional cultural production; in the sense of experimenting with new models etc. To me the interesting point is when a crossover can start, when conventional companies start to also partly use the development and licensing models of free culture; And when free culture initiatives start getting the same amount of public attention as conventional institutions. I also think that would be the situation where the end-user would really start benifitting? Sounds like some fantastic reasons to support reducing and removing copyleft software/fonts from the open software and font movement. :) FF **Great deals on Dell’s most popular laptops – Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631252x1201390195/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213968550%3B35701427%3Bh)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] browser / resolution compatibility for new site
I've submitted it to http://browsershots.org/http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/ and will look in a day or so when the shots are ready :) What a neat site: Previews websites in many different browsers, I've bookmarked browsershots.org. Ok, here's the one I'd be most concerned with making work: MSIE 7.0 on windows XP at 1024x768: (most common browser, os, resolution) http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/fc/fc8ee6137367c1bc57731bfc5fdf1b93.p ng FF **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001)
[OpenFontLibrary] font face firefox friendly?
I was looking at the url mentioned for for previews: _http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/files/admin/6_ (http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/files/admin/6) Mr. Traeger's preview works nicely, but I was wondering: Does the @font face preview on this page work with Firefox? I'm using the newest: Firefox/3.0.5, on win xp sp3, I only see a monospace font there. I've gone through all the Firefox settings, I have the allow pages to choose their own fonts box checked, i'm not sure what else I would need to do to get that working. I've downloaded and looked at the font, and I have been able to make it work with Safari. FF **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Public Domain Fonts due to lack of copyright notice
Let's put our energy into getting font designers to support the project, and not into trying to find a half-dozen fonts that were badly released 10 or 20 years ago and might or might not be protected by copyright. The goal is to create a community of people designing and releasing type, not to try and find legal loopholes to annoy the very people we want to attract. All I was doing was asking if anyone knew of any fonts which are Public Domain due to not having a copyright added at the time. I know of no such fonts, but since it is one of the primary ways things enter(ed) the public domain, and there are probably some such fonts out there, the best thing to do would probably be to add something to the wiki somewhere noting the possible/probable existance of fonts which are in Public Domain due being released in the United States before March 1, 1989 without a copyright notice. Using such fonts would probably be unethical, but since they are in the body of open fonts, they do deserve mention. FF **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026)
[OpenFontLibrary] Font embedding exceptions
Also if someone has current contacts for past contributors, it would be nice to get the font exception added to the license. -- Nicolas Mailhot I really want to know if font / embedding exceptions are really needed. A font is very distinct from the document it's embedded into, it would seem to me an embedding exception isn't really neccecary. In GPL 3.0, _http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.txt_ (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.txt) This sentence would seem to make adding a font embedding exception unnecessary: The output from running a covered work is covered by this License only if the output, given its content, constitutes a covered work. When a font designer elects not to use an open source license specifically designed for fonts (such as the OFL) , using the canonical version of an open source license seems like a good idea. FF **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025)
[OpenFontLibrary] Here's a font similar to ecofont:
Here's a font similar to ecofont: Budmo Jiggler _http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/larabie/budmo/jiggler/_ (http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/larabie/budmo/jiggler/) It has holes in it too. Budmo Jiggler is a freeware font, it's license does not allow much openness You may not modify, adapt, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, or create derivative works based on the licensed font itself without Foundry’s prior written consent. I've noticed quite a bit of press for EcoFont lately. **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OpenFontLibrary Digest, Vol 36, Issue 6
In a message dated 12/18/2008 12:00:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, openfontlibrary-requ...@lists.freedesktop.org writes: From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org Subject: Re: [OpenFontLibrary] License your fonts under MIT / X11!! To: Open Font Library openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org Message-ID: 7fa25200812180136o36061904l773906de489ce...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:39 AM, fontfree...@aol.com wrote: I do think I want to push for fonts licensed under the MIT / X11 license, on one of these new sites people are building, we need some pages urging people to release new fonts under that particular license. I think this could be a core/reccomended open source license for fonts. I don't understand why, either ideologically or practically. Some projects should be public domain, Open Clipart is a good example. But fonts are expressible as self-contained software and so there is no reason not to use copyleft to protect people's ability to use them. MIT/X11 is a minor licence. I wouldn't recommend it over revised BSD and I certainly wouldn't recommend it over a copyleft licence. - Rob. ^ Oh, I know...Instead of the revised BSD license, we should instead encourage the Free BSD license, which more modern software uses. (and, it's not to be confused with the FreeBSD Documentation License) Also freebsd's license is sometimes just called The FreeBSD Copyright. MIT/X11 isn't that minor. It's used in quite a number of important software projects. Unlike the BSD license, there is ONE version. It's simple, straightforward...Seems like it would be good for fonts...Although...the one drawback is that it does require attribution, which is one big reason people use the public domain, (no attribution of the original author(s) required.) _http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php_ (http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php) Does anyone know of any open source licenses which don't require attribution? Attribution makes it kind bad for when someone wants to for example sell a font commercially which is derived from someone else's font... FF **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025)
[OpenFontLibrary] License your fonts under MIT / X11!!
I do think I want to push for fonts licensed under the MIT / X11 license, on one of these new sites people are building, we need some pages urging people to release new fonts under that particular license. I think this could be a core/reccomended open source license for fonts. FF **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] openfontlibrary.fontly.org/patrons
2008/11/30 Fontfreedom _http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/patrons_ (http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/patrons) At the top, under Remixes, the word typefaces is written on top of the words branch and merge. (Not super easy to read...) Can you post a screenshot? here: _http://www.openfontlibrary.com/patron_page.png_ (http://www.openfontlibrary.com/patron_page.png) From: Dave Crossland Thanks - what browser and OS and screen resolution is this? MSIE 7.05730.11, Windows XP SP3, 1280x1024 32bit color FF From: Dave Crossland There are lots of problems with MSIE. Use Firefox. Making the new site work with MSIE is a must-do. MSIE is an important and popular browser, esp. if you hope the site will look professional to a wide audience. I use a number of browsers, including Firefox, Opera, MSIE and Safari when developing and testing web pages. According to: Macworld -- Nov 24, 2008, MSIE has a 81.36 percent market share. We can't just tell everyone to Use Firefox, and expect them to comply. (Though some sites do try.) _http://www.macworld.com/article/137084/2008/11/safari.html_ (http://www.macworld.com/article/137084/2008/11/safari.html) Excerpt: ... Since February 2008, Safari increased its browser market share by 0.24 percent worldwide. That gives Safari a 2.42 percent worldwide market, putting it in third place overall in the browser wars. Apple follows Microsoft’s Internet Explorer with 81.36 percent market share and Mozilla/Firefox with 14.67 percent market share. Behind Apple in fourth place is Opera (0.55 percent), Google Chrome (0.55 percent) and Netscape (0.32 percent). ... **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OpenFontLibrary Digest, Vol 35, Issue 45
In a message dated 11/24/2008 12:00:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi! The new site is finally coming together. The wiki is now mostly themed. The Patrons page is now finalised: http://openfontlibrary.fontly.org/patrons Comments, please! :-) Cheers, Dave Ok... At the top, under Remixes, the word typefaces is written on top of the words branch and merge. (Not super easy to read...) **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001)
[OpenFontLibrary] Stats for openfontlibrary.org
The stats for openfontlibrary.org seem not to work in MSIE 7: https://awstats.osuosl.org/list/openfontlibrary.org Click on this month, I get: https://awstats.osuosl.org/reports/openfontlibrary.org/2008/11/awstats.openfon tlibrary.org.xml Which just shows the non-rendered html code. Maybe the server is sending the wrong headers or something? Works fine with Firefox Safari. Anyone else have that problem with the stats when attempting to view the stats with MSIE 7? For reference, I'm running MSIE 7 for Windows XP. The stats are interesting, but also compare the Compete.com rank for openfontlibrary.org: #448,339, the Alexa Rank is: #643,978 Quantcast says not enough info. Openfontlibrary isn't exactly a hugely popular site, according to those 3rd party stats. Googlebot sure uses a lot of bandwidth/traffic: Googlebot 196004 Hits 753.73 MB Traffic 19 Nov 2008 - 17:11 Almost a gig of traffic just from google's bot? Seems like a lot. Last month, google bot did: 1.95 GB of the traffic. Google bot did 2.54 GB of traffic in october... **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001)
[OpenFontLibrary] Licenses
DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE Version 2, December 2004 Copyright (C) 2004 Your Name Your, Address, Some, Place, Nice. Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim or modified copies of this license document, and changing it is allowed as long as the name is changed. DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION 0. You just DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO. --- 8 I think that could *appeal* to a young 'designer' part of our potential community/audience. But could put off older, gentler, parts, so maybe not best. To be taken seriously, we can't allow a license with swearing in it. I hate sounding like some conservative (which i'm not), but it's just a bad idea. **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0001)
[OpenFontLibrary] Should we (via moderation) accept all Free Software license
I'm planning on encouraging people to release their fonts with the MIT/X11 license for openfontlibrary.com Or dedicated to the public domain if they prefer. Only those two. **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0001)
[OpenFontLibrary] Adobe Font licenses
What about Helvetica? It seems irrelevant to me since URW Nimbus Sans is a free software implementation of that typeface. Hiss...GPL bad. The URW fonts are GPL right? The Adobe Helvetica License appears to give more freedom than the GPL. In some ways! Also...The Helvetica License is a bit ambiguous (which is BAD). Here is the page with the two ADOBE open font lic info... _http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.htm l_ (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.html) There are some other licenses on here y'all might find interesting as well. It also includes licence information from many other fonts used in QT: _Adobe Helvetica_ (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.html#adobe-helvetica) _Adobe Utopia_ (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.html#adobe-utopia) _Babelfish_ (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.html#babelfish) _Bigelow Holmes Luxi_ (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.html#bigelow-holmes-luxi) _Bitstream Charter and Courier_ (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.html#bitstream-charter-and-courier) _Bitstream Vera_ (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.html#bitstream-vera) _Cursor_ (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.html#cursor) _DejaVu Fonts_ (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.html#dejavu-fonts) _Fixed Fonts_ (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.html#fixed-fonts) _IBM Courier_ (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.html#ibm-courier) _Micro_ (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.html#m icro)_Unifont_ (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.html#unifont) _Wenquanyi_ (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.html#wenquanyi) (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.4/html/com/trolltech/qt/licenses-fonts.html) Trolltech (now a part of Nokia) makes: Qt [ pronounced cute] is a cross-platform application framework. Using Qt, you can develop applications and user interfaces once, and deploy them across many desktop and embedded operating systems without rewriting the source code. QT is controversial, as it has only been sometimes maybe sorta GPL compliant, windows versions not, forks created by the open source community, etc...It's mainly for c++, but also java now... **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OpenFontLibrary Digest, Vol 35, Issue 29
I think requiring the font exception would be ideal - ie, removing the 2nd category above. FWIW, I don't agree. I liked your earlier conception much better: if it's under a free software license, it can be in OFLB. For one thing, it makes for a much simpler decision process than we accept free licenses a, b, c, but not d, e, and f. What basis is there to exclude some? It is possible a font designer would *choose* to license under GPL without font exception. Not that I know of any actual examples, it's always just been ignorance, but it's conceivable. the largest collection I know of are the URW fonts that are distributed as part of Ghostscript, which predate the font exception. A form of the GPL font exception appears in the PFB's of most of the URW font packages I have seen, although whether it was legally added, I don't know. Aladdin and URW don't answer on these topics, in my experience :(. Adding a font embedding exception to any license does make it (the license) non-canonical to start with. 2ndly...is it really needed? An open source license by itself should be enough to embed fonts in documents. Each license needs to be evaluated to see if it really needs a font embedding exception. 3rd...IF for whatever reason someone wanted this, it would be possible to use an open source license for a font, but NOT allow embedding. (That would have to be in a hypothetical derivative / add on license in the font's metadata settings.) It's actually probably more likely an open source font author made some mistake in including a no embedding option in the font metadata, at least in the case of an open source font with a no embedding option engaged. Ghostscript also includes the Hershey Fonts, a set of public domain fonts... I've wondered if there are modern versions of the Hershey Fonts avalible, ie .ttf .otf. The Hershey fonts are a standout among public domain fonts insofar as they are not dedicated to the public domain, instead they were created by the U.S. Federal Government. (whose works are public domain) A common distribution of the Hershey fonts includes this statement: USE RESTRICTION: This distribution of the Hershey Fonts may be used by anyone for any purpose, commercial or otherwise, providing that: 1. The following acknowledgements must be distributed with the font data: - The Hershey Fonts were originally created by Dr. A. V. Hershey while working at the U. S. National Bureau of Standards. - The format of the Font data in this distribution was originally created by James Hurt Cognition, Inc. 900 Technology Park Drive Billerica, MA 01821 (mit-eddie!ci-dandelion!hurt) 2. The font data in this distribution may be converted into any other format *EXCEPT* the format distributed by the U.S. NTIS (which organization holds the rights to the distribution and use of the font data in that particular format). Not that anybody would really *want* to use their format... each point is described in eight bytes as xxx yyy:, where xxx and yyy are the coordinate values as ASCII numbers. ^^ I wonder if NTIS's format provides more accuracy than James Hurt's format. I also wonder about the accuracy of _2. The font data..._ Seems very dubious. If all he did was convert NTIS's data, nobody would have to follow these usage restrictions at all, #1 or #2. **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)
Le lundi 10 novembre 2008 ? 16:33 +, Dave Crossland a ?crit : 2008/11/10 James Weiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are there no font formats that can carry easily accessible meta data like ID3 does for mp3s etc? TrueType and OpenType do this easily enough; the problem is getting users to put the metadata there. And keep it up to date / accurate Even when there is info in font metadata we often can not trust it because it has been wrong so many times before. Countless fonts say they're at version 1.0 even when we see them revised many times. Countless fonts make incomplete of plain false licensing statements in their metadata (Google Droid is just the last high-visibility example). I'll take a detached license file and a versionned archive any day in the stead of their metadata equivallents. One can be trusted the other ? not. The fact is, as a font librarian, one needs to examine all these things, from external webpages related to the font to licensing statements in the metadata and inside the zip file to what the author enters into OFLB when doing an upload. Also, having the font sense an experienced graphic designer will often have may help, and/or using: _http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/_ (http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/) Ever wanted to find a font just like the one used by certain publications, corporations, or ad campaigns? Well now you can, using our WhatTheFont font recognition system. Upload a scanned image of the font and instantly find the closest matches in our database. If WhatTheFont can’t figure it out, you can submit your image to the _WhatTheFont Forum_ (http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/forum/) where cloak-draped font enthusiasts around the world will help you out! _http://www.identifont.com/_ (http://www.identifont.com/) Welcome to Identifont, the largest independent directory of typefaces on the Internet, with information about fonts from 532 publishers and 143 vendors. _http://www.fontscape.com/_ (http://www.fontscape.com/) Same company as identifont - more geared towards picking a font for some use. Using these tools takes time and patience. As font librarians we do need to do it, we need to remove any commercially (or otherwise incompatible) licensed fonts from OFLB. I personally have found commercial fonts on OFLB in the past emailed rejon to have them removed. But there may be more! Remember it's not about having the most fonts, *it's about the license* OFLB is NOT a copy of DAFONT.COM, which has thousands of free fonts with many pirated ones, freeware fonts -- which are not free for changes, and all sorts of other license questionable stuff, we need to vet every font on oflb. I have sent dafont.com emails trying to get them to separate GNU GPL and Public Domain into different categories, to no avail. They list: (Public domain / GNU GPL) as one of their main font categories. I've audited many of the fonts listed in this category (trying to find things which could be added to OFLB) and found mostly commercial fonts relabeled as this, freeware fonts other questionably licensed fonts in there. It was actually pretty disappointing to go through so many fonts and find nearly nothing with clear / useful licenses I thought could be added to my new project, oflb.com. DaFont.com official policy: Are all fonts free of charge? The fonts presented on this website are their authors' property, and are either freeware, shareware, demo versions or public domain. The licence mentioned above the download button is just an indication. Please look at the readme-files in the zips or check the indicated author's website for details, and contact him/her if in doubt. If no author/licence is indicated that's because we don't have information, that doesn't mean it's free. With an official policy like that, it's no wonder their archive is full of who knows what licensed fonts. I've also found some fonts with more than one open source license. I do find this troubling, as the terms are different, and it creates confusion for the people interested in remixing. I think a good example of confusing licenses is: user zeimusu's fonts. The .TTF versions are public domain, but the .OTF versions of the same fonts are SIL OFL. I would like to see an other image added to the license category for when people upload files under licenses which may be acceptable/free but not one of the main licenses. FF **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001)
[OpenFontLibrary] Adobe Font licenses
I know a while ago Adobe Utopia was discussed as something which could be modified and used as an open font...What about Helvetica? Adobe Helvetica Copyright 1984-1989, 1994 Adobe Systems Incorporated. Copyright 1988, 1994 Digital Equipment Corporation. Adobe is a trademark of Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in certain jurisdictions. Permission to use these trademarks is hereby granted only in association with the images described in this file. Permission to use, copy, modify, distribute and sell this software and its documentation for any purpose and without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above copyright notices appear in all copies and that both those copyright notices and this permission notice appear in supporting documentation, and that the names of Adobe Systems and Digital Equipment Corporation not be used in advertising or publicity pertaining to distribution of the software without specific, written prior permission. Adobe Systems and Digital Equipment Corporation make no representations about the suitability of this software for any purpose. It is provided as is without express or implied warranty. ^ Seems pretty open / reusable, but the without fee may mean it can't be used in commercial fonts? Or does it just mean Adobe / DEC won't charge you a fee? **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Font Myths
In a message dated 11/8/2008 2:18:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2008/11/7 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You guys really should see the Font Myths website: What is the URL? The url is: _http://www.ssifonts.com/Myths.htm_ (http://www.ssifonts.com/Myths.htm) Also, it's been vetted by Intellectual Property Attorneys - I found the url in a copyright law book. (The Public Domain, NOLO press May 2006 Printing) You will have to use the wayback machine or similar to view the webpage. **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001)
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Font Myths
Erm, SSI *LOST* a lawsuit again Adobe about font copyright. I'd be very suspicous about those guys. Ah yes, SSI the outfit of the infamous Rev. Paul King - weren't they the ones who cloned over 1,000 fonts designed by others and claimed them as their own? When caught it seems they tried to blame it on the creators of the font editing software they were using. I'm wondering, does Fontfreedom intend to follow their lead on his new site? Ok! Their information is suspect. I had never heard of this case against them they may have made some of this stuff up to try to defend themselves or deflect lawsuits. It appears they opened the (copyrighted) fonts made by others in font editing software, making slight changes and selling them. This is clearly wrong and illegal. I'm annoyed that the law book I found it in would refer to such a discreditable source! (Esp. Since this lawsuit happened 10 years ago!) Sil has some interesting information about the lawsuit: _http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsiitem_id=UNESCO_Font_ Lic_ (http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsiitem_id=UNESCO_Font_Lic) **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001)
[OpenFontLibrary] Font, design copyrights
Why? Most developed countries including the US offer copyright protection to foreign works under under the Berne Convention since 1989 and the Universal Copyright Convention (UCC) since 1955. The works of an author who is a national or resident of a country that is a member of these treaties, works first published in a member country or published within 30 days of first publication in a Berne Union country may claim protection under the treaties. So if something is copyright in a country where it was first published the US should recognize that too if that country is also a member of the Berne Convention. I don't see any reason typefaces first released in the UK or Europe would enjoy any copyright protection in the U.S. All typefaces (not fonts) are automatically and immediately public domain in the U.S. From what I've read, the only major country which allows copyright laws to apply to typefaces is the U.K. **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001) ___ OpenFontLibrary mailing list OpenFontLibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
[OpenFontLibrary] Font Myths
I don't see any reason typefaces first released in the UK or Europe would enjoy any copyright protection in the U.S. All typefaces (not fonts) are automatically and immediately public domain in the U.S. Because it seems that under international copyright conventions countries have agreed to respect each others copyright. So if something is created in the UK and copyright there it should also be copyright in the US ~ whether or not a creation of the same sort created in the US would be copyright there. At least this is how the working of the conventions was explained to me. You guys really should see the Font Myths website: MYTH # 3 - If Copyright Does Not Provide Font Protection, Treaties Do So. In a font, the name, any programming code not describing the font design (and possibly non-alphanumeric designs that are not common and don't carry information) are all that can be copyrighted. This leaves the door open in the USA to have anyone pay for the output of each character from a typesetter and redigitize it or extract the design from a font program (and rename it), easily duplicating the design. Most foundries have very similar fonts derived from work largely designed by others. QUESTION As signatories to the Berne Convention, isn't the USA obliged to provide full artistic copyright protection to typefaces originating in countries with design protection? And weren't there recent accords that strengthened the treaty? ANSWER NOPE! Other countries' copyright laws do not and never did supercede US laws regarding US acts and sales. Copyright is highly individualistic from country to country (and is even administered differently by each court in the cantons of Switzerland and provinces of Italy, for instance) unlike the international monolithic consensus these other guys would have you believe. Because of the strongly held, idiosyncratic beliefs of most nations, there was a core set of articles that most countries would subscribe to and there were large numbers of articles that some countries felt were important, where others were adamantly opposed. The only way to do the deal was to get a group of nations to sign on to the core copyright treaty and as many of the other articles as they would assent to. An appropriate analogy might be that of a cafeteria, where each country's legislative body picked their own choice of vegetables to go with the basic meal. The US registered several reservations of articles. These were articles that they refused to sign on to as part of the treaty. This placed all other countries on notice that these rejected articles would not be enforced in the US. For the US, the rejection of these areas became law as well as the acceptance of other terms. As part of the signing of the treaty, each nation agreed to respect the national sovreignty of other countries in these areas. The only way to add articles to a treaty would be by treaty and full approval of the senate. Any time a treaty is signed with another country, it must be ratified by the Senate. Their debate, passage and any reservations they include in the treaty even supercede any other Federal or State laws in effect. So, there can be no modification of this higher level of treaty law without a modification of the terms of the treaty. No accord signed by the executive branch of the government has any standing to compete with law - especially treaty law! The executive branch of the government has no right to go against the direct wishes of Congress, regarding a law, duly passed by both houses and signed by the President. This is why the Copyright Office's final regulations so closely mirror the intent of Congress. Regardless of what accords have been signed by whomever, the Copyright office has coordinated all current law in a publication that they call Circular 1 - Copyright Basics as published by the US Copyright Office (I believe,free to all upon request.) Page 7 says There is no such thing as an 'international copyright' that will automatically protect an author's writings throughout the entire world. By joining the Berne Convention on March 1, 1989, the United States gained protection for it's authors in all member nations of the Berne Union with which the United States formerly had no copyright relations or had bilateral treaty arrangements. Members of the Berne Union agree to a certain minimum level of copyright protection and agree to treat nationals of other member countries like their own nationals for purposes of copyright. A work first published in the United States or another Berne Union country (or first published in a non-Berne Union country, follower by publication within 30 days in a Berne Union country) is eligible for protection in all Berne member countries. There are no
[Openfontlibrary] Fonts are software, so use a software license.
I also wonder whether free software licenses (designed for software) are appropriate for fonts where a font is first published in a country where the design is protected? ^ If you hope to have international recognition of your copyright, the font MUST be considered software, so a license referring to the font as software is actually very important. See: _http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/antipiracy/fonts.html_ (http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/antipiracy/fonts.html) From the above webpage: Fonts are software, too. In fact, each font is a short software program. Fonts are protected under intellectual property law and are subject to the same legal usage restrictions as other software. It is illegal to do the following: Share or copy fonts beyond what the license agreement allows Include a font copy with source files for output We'd like to make it easy for you to understand how to manage your typeface software. We hope that the following information clarifies the right way to use fonts and provides other useful information. Adobe typeface software licenses Type formats Font download Working with service bureaus Embedding typefaces Adobe typeface software licenses Adobe licenses typeface software by computer, in the same way that most application software is licensed. When you purchase a typeface license from Adobe, you are entitled to use the typeface on one computer for viewing, editing, and printing. Working with service bureaus Service bureaus are under the same licensing agreements as individuals and must own a license for viewing, editing, and printing any Adobe typeface. **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001) ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] design service
2008/11/6 Christopher Fynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I also wonder whether free software licenses (designed for software) are appropriate for fonts where a font is first published in a country where the design is protected? That is an excellent point! I think the language in the GPL and Apache licenses about software idea patents are useful to think about here But I haven't seen anyone in the free software community comment on this, though. If something is GPL v3 or Apache 2.0+ license, the authors give away their patent rights to the community for free. Same with the Clear BSD License. You might want to call these licenses PatentLeft licenses. **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001) ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
[Openfontlibrary] Fonts: Patents, Trademarks
Also, developing a high-quality typeface can be a lot of work; Microsoft spent over a million US dollars on Arial, I've heard. It's my understanding very few fonts are patented. I suppose if you spend $1 Million on developing a font, you can afford the average $10,000 (but can be much higher than that) filing fees to get a patent in the U.S. + the cost of your patent lawyer. A trademark is much cheaper. Here's the current pricelist for both patents and trademarks. (Note that you will generally have to pay many of these various fees for a patent, esp. if there are any disputes.) _http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/qs/ope/fee2008october02.htm#patapp_ (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/qs/ope/fee2008october02.htm#patapp) **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001) ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
In a message dated 11/3/2008 12:33:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, FontFreedom, ... but I really want to have a non-copyleft openfontlibrary. Why? If we are not using copyleft licenses, what are you proposing to use in place? Copy - Center licenses, Such as: The CC-BY License _http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/_ (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/) The MIT/X11 License Zope Public License (ZPL) The whole reason for copyright law is to provide legal protections to authors of creative works, is it not? We now have enthusiastic communities of authors who recognize the value of giving back to the community, of sharing and remixing creative works. Licenses like SIL's OFL license for fonts have been designed specifically to help these authors protect their works so that they can do what they really want to do with them -- share them with the community! NO! SIL OFL does not allow them to share their fonts in a way which allows others to make modifications to a font, then re-release the font under the license of their own choosing. The right to share a work with others is just as much a legal right as the right to not share a work. The license makes this clear. And, BTW, the original author of a work is, at least under U.S. law as I understand it, free to release his or her work under as many or as few different licenses as s/he wants. So, for example, I could release an original font creation under OFL for the community to use, and still sell it under a commercial license for customers who may want some form of paid support or other service in return for payment. So licenses like the OFL provide clarity in terms of what authors want to allow or disallow. Clarity, yes. A good idea, no. Public Domain on the other hand seems to me very fuzzy and unclear. What legal rights are reserved or not reserved? It's not clear to me. What are the author's wishes? Heck, who even *is* the author of a Public Domain font? Maybe if we knew who the author or authors really are, we would find out that they don't want their fonts under Public Domain once they recognize the advantages and legal protections that copyright law is supposed to provide. I therefore personally think that Public Domain should be discouraged. I certainly would not put anything I created under Public Domain. I would much rather put it under a license that makes it very clear that I want to share my work with the community. CC-PD : Creative Commons - PD is a specific and unified way to dedicate works to the public domain. It's what's been used with many fonts currently in the openfontlibrary. Some people have said their (software, font, clipart, whatever) is public domain, then attached conditions which are totally incompatible with dedicating something to the public domain. Most public domain works do include documentation of who the author(s) are. We should write extensively explaining to people what it means to dedicate a font, or anything to the public domain. - Ed Trager **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
In a message dated 11/4/2008 4:07:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However I don't want to see any version of that font being sold for profit or falling under a commercial or proprietary license - or someone making minor modifications and copyrighting them. That would just be allowing someone else to cynically take financial advantage of all my hard work without doing much of anything themselves or it could mean that I couldn't make some improvement in my own font because someone might claim the improvement was already copyright. I'm would be foolish to donate land for a public park without ensuring that and noone could come along, erect a small fence and claim it as their own personal or commercial property. Releasing a font under GPL or OFL license simply ensures the font can freely be used or modified by anyone and that no one can claim proprietary or commercial rights. If somebody does want a similar font to sell under a commercial license I'm perfectly willing to develop one for them for a fair price. My vision is more along the lines of: Someone takes a basic, high quality font with a copycenter license or public domain dedication. They use that as a base, making it into the banana font and Sarah's Swirly Sans Serif, then sells those as commercial fonts. If you look at the programming post, you will see how the best programmers know how to use snippets of other people's work to create their own. I also imagine someone may grab glyphs, etc. from several different open fonts, combine them into one, with their own style... The CC-BY License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ This license requires attribution - and for any *reuse* or distribution, requires that the original license terms must be made clear to others. Does this mean if someone uses a font under this license to print a book (which could be considered a kind of reuse) that the original license terms must be printed or indicated in the book? Does there have to be an attribution? Rejon, you work for CC, can you explain this to us? CC Licenses are somewhat long, have some quirks, and mainly people get confused between CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, CC-BY-SA-ND, etc...I've seen too many webpages content which simply say you may reuse this (whatever it is I created) under a Creative Commons license, but then failing to say which one, which leaves people in the dark as to what the author is saying they can and cannot do with the content. The MIT/X11 License As a font developer why should I particularly want to let anyone sublicense, and/or sell copies of a font they got freely from me? I'm happy to share or but I don't particularly want anyone sub licensing or distributing copies for profit. This is probably the best example of what licenses for a good open reusable font library ought to be. Simple, understandable, you decide it's ok with you, or you decide it's not. Zope Public License (ZPL) As a font developer why would I ever want to use a license which states This software consists of contributions made by Zope Corporation - I don't even know who they are and the Zope Corporation didn't contribute to any font software I made. I never saw that in the Zope License ... Maybe you read a version I did not. Here is the Zope Public License (ZPL) 2.1: Zope Public License (ZPL) Version 2.1 A copyright notice accompanies this license document that identifies the copyright holders. This license has been certified as open source. It has also been designated as GPL compatible by the Free Software Foundation (FSF). Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met: Redistributions in source code must retain the accompanying copyright notice, this list of conditions, and the following disclaimer. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the accompanying copyright notice, this list of conditions, and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. Names of the copyright holders must not be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without prior written permission from the copyright holders. The right to distribute this software or to use it for any purpose does not give you the right to use Servicemarks (sm) or Trademarks (tm) of the copyright holders. Use of them is covered by separate agreement with the copyright holders. If any files are modified, you must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change. Disclaimer THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL
Re: [Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
In a message dated 11/2/2008 10:26:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 01:17 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The single priority I have for openfontlibrary is: Creating a new openfontlibrary without any copyleft fonts. (and banning any new ones from appearing) Initially, Openfontlibrary was created as a place for fonts dedicated to the Public Domain. Things dedicated to the public domain are not copyleft. On the other hand, anyone can take a public domain resource (in the USA) and re-release it under the GPL, even if they are not the creator. That's where the first GNU tar program came from, for example -- by taking pdtar, without consulting the author. Here in Canada there's no such thing as public domain. Maybe it would be better if OFL made it clear which licence was in use for a given font, and let people search and filter by licence? Liam Canada does indeed have a public domain. In fact, there are even Canadian public domain websites... _http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071022-european-copyright-law-used-to- threaten-canadian-public-domain-site.html_ (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071022-european-copyright-law-used-to-threaten-canadian-public-domain-sit e.html) and let people search and filter by licence? That's a fine feature request...However, I still want there to be an open font site without any copyleft fonts, and which encourages people considering releasing their fonts to use alternatives to copyleft. **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
[Openfontlibrary] Non-Copyleft Openfontlibrary
The single priority I have for openfontlibrary is: Creating a new openfontlibrary without any copyleft fonts. (and banning any new ones from appearing) Initially, Openfontlibrary was created as a place for fonts dedicated to the Public Domain. Things dedicated to the public domain are not copyleft. Copycenter licenses such as the BSD license, the MIT license, etc would also not be copyleft. I'm mostly afraid openfontlibrary is moving in the direction of becoming the (however small) sourceforge of fonts. (Sourceforge is a popular open source software website featuring mostly copyleft software.) If anyone would suggest the best way to make this happen, I'm all ears... Remember, I own the openfontlibrary.com and .net domains, the non-copyleft version of openfontlibrary could go there. I started talking privately with (rejon) about this idea last year, but that never really went anywhere. I understand the majority (but not all) of the people involved with this project are pro-copyleft, but I really want to have a non-copyleft openfontlibrary. FF **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
Re: [Openfontlibrary] openfontlibrary.com now pointing to openfontlibrary.org
Good you got them...why do you have them in inframe? The best would be for you to update the DNS on them to be the same ame Server:NS1.AUTH.OSUOSL.ORG Name Server:NS2.AUTH.OSUOSL.ORG Then, we can file a ticket to OSUOSL.org to make them work properly. Can you do that on those two domains. In the future, when we have some type of conservatorship, etc, can we all agree to move those domains and openfontlibrary.org over to that org? Cheers! Jon why in frame for the .com? It just works that way!...(assuming the .org site is working) I've had the .net one pointing to the osuosl domain servers for about a year now... Still, only the wiki works with that domain, all other urls on the site are hard coded to .org. (so it won't help much if for example a situation occurs like last year when someone hijacked the DNS on the .ORG) conservatorship? What do you mean by that? I searched for it, found it's something Britney Spears dad has managed to use to control his daughter's $$$ and life despite the fact that she's an adult. (I certainly hope that never happens to me!) **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
[Openfontlibrary] openfontlibrary.com now pointing to openfontlibrary.org
Some domain speculators have been sending me emails, trying to sell me openfontlibrary.com, so... I've just bought the .com version of the openfontlibrary domain name, pointing it to openfontlibrary.org. (I own the .net, that's why they've been offering it to me.) FF **Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame0001) ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
[Openfontlibrary] wiki edits...
I've signed up for a wiki account before, it's said I have an account, but it's never worked, I've never been able to edit the openfontlibrary wiki. (Maybe I should ask those spammers how they manage to get their junk on there.) FF **Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame0001) ___ Openfontlibrary mailing list Openfontlibrary@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/openfontlibrary
