Re: New Common Lisp wiki page

[Christoph Egger]

Hi!

Getting into this quite old mail thread, sorry for that

On Tuesday 29 August 2017 18:22:52 CET Sébastien Villemot wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 03:51:08PM +0200, pvane...@debian.org wrote:
> > > I took some time to fully rewrite the Common Lisp page on the Debian
> > > wiki:
> > > 
> > > https://wiki.debian.org/CommonLisp 
> > 
> > I like it!

+1 

> > - packaging up of CL libraries has been abandoned (at least for me).
> > Newbies - should be steered to quicklisp, even if the library is packaged
> > IMHO.
> Ok. Out of curiosity, is this decision motivated by technical factors or by
> lack of (packager’s) time?

In my opinion there is not much of a hard technical reason against having apt 
packages. However that would need people to actually keep up with "the world" 
and quite likely some quicklisp2deb helper all of which hasn't materialized in 
the last 5 Years or so

  Christoph

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Re: New Common Lisp wiki page

[Sébastien Villemot]

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 03:51:08PM +0200, pvane...@debian.org wrote:
> > I took some time to fully rewrite the Common Lisp page on the Debian wiki:
> > 
> > https://wiki.debian.org/CommonLisp 
> 
> I like it!
> 
> Two comments however:
> - I would steer newbies to clisp instead of ECL on platforms which don’t 
> support SBCL…

The problem is that the clisp package is currently in very bad shape (5 RC
bugs, FTBFS on many archs). In particular it was neither part of stretch nor of
jessie. So it may not be very helpful to redirect our users to a package not
present in our last two stable releases… Maybe could we recommend "clisp or 
ECL"?

> - packaging up of CL libraries has been abandoned (at least for me). Newbies
> - should be steered to quicklisp, even if the library is packaged IMHO.

Ok. Out of curiosity, is this decision motivated by technical factors or by
lack of (packager’s) time?

Would you think putting the "quicklisp" section before the "apt" section is a
sufficient fix? Or should we be more explicit and add a warning about the
discontinuation of libraries packaging?

> As I said: I do like it, a welcome resource.

Thanks for your comments and positive feedback.

By the way, I applied on Alioth for joining the team (now waiting for your
acceptation). As a first task, I may be interested in salvaging clisp, if you
welcome help on that side.

Cheers,

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Re: New Common Lisp wiki page

[pvaneynd]

Hello Sébastien,

> I took some time to fully rewrite the Common Lisp page on the Debian wiki:
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/CommonLisp 

I like it!

Two comments however:
- I would steer newbies to clisp instead of ECL on platforms which don’t 
support SBCL…
- packaging up of CL libraries has been abandoned (at least for me). Newbies 
should be steered to quicklisp, even if the library is packaged IMHO.

As I said: I do like it, a welcome resource.

Best regards, Peter


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New Common Lisp wiki page

[Sébastien Villemot]

Hi,

I took some time to fully rewrite the Common Lisp page on the Debian wiki:

 https://wiki.debian.org/CommonLisp

This page is meant as an entry point for Debian users who are new to CL and
want to start hacking with the language. It contains information that must be
obvious to you, but which takes some time to figure out for a complete newbie
(since the sources of information are disseminated at different places and
sometimes outdated).

Note that I am still relatively new to CL, so I may have made mistakes. Please
review the contents and give feedback (or even directly edit the page) as
appropriate.

I may add some more material in the future as I discover more of the CL
ecosystem, but the idea is nevertheless to abstract from too many details,
since it is a quick start.

You may also have noticed that I opened a couple of bug reports in the process
of writing this page. If CL enters more into my daily workflow, I may join the
team, and even fix those bugs myself if you don’t react quick enough :) We’ll
see!

Thanks for your work,

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