Bug#438676: hex-a-hop: Switch to po4a for man page translation
Hallo Jens, On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 10:20:05PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 09:41:59PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 09:11:47PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 07:29:49PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: Mhm, I'm not sure. Try -4 and add somewhere SVN version with the current revision (svn info). Ok, will try to do so tonight. No, sorry, I cannot verify it. Probably because I work on 32bit i386 and you use a 64bit Alpha CPU (what endianess?)? Well, (unfortunately) you are out of date here. I am still 64 bit (where do I get an 128 bit CPU?), but since 2005 no longer on alpha, but on x86_64. Though I now have shell access to an alpha, I might try it there later ... [1] Does the BTS support reporting against unreleased versions? Could this block those version from entering Sid :-)) Yes, I think so. This was meant as a joke! Greetings Helge -- Dr. Helge Kreutzmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipl.-Phys. http://www.helgefjell.de/debian.php 64bit GNU powered gpg signed mail preferred Help keep free software libre: http://www.ffii.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Pkg-games-devel mailing list Pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-games-devel
Bug#438676: hex-a-hop: Switch to po4a for man page translation
tags 438676 +pending thanks On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 03:41:02AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 11:24:04PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: Could it be that it is impossible to handle this with one POT file? Shouln't we file a few wishlist bugs against po4a, gettext, ...? OK, I found a solution. It's not perfect and uses sed but it's also not too complicated and simplifies the translation definitely. Helge, can you test it and update de.po? Thanks. 4. Add the following note where other people can find it, e.g. README.Debian: Note to translators: Do you really think this belongs to README.Debian? It is an internal detail (we also do not install the POT file in binaries -- only in source). If we use only a single PO file we do not need to explain anything, right? No, I will add a comment to the POT file (via hex-a-hop.pot.comments) and merge the comment in all existing PO files. Thanks again, Jens ___ Pkg-games-devel mailing list Pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-games-devel
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Bug#438676: hex-a-hop: Switch to po4a for man page translation
Hello Jens, On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 03:41:02AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: first of all sorry for ignoring your patch so long. On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 11:24:04PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: Well, 5 days is not so long (I've bug report being ignored (even with patch) for over one year!) 1. Add the following line in your debian/rules, where X1, X2, X3, .. are all languages you've received man page translations for: po4a-updatepo -f man -m hex-a-hop.6 -p hex-a-hop.X1.po -p hex-a-hop.X2.po -p hex-a-hop.X3.po This call will synchronise the various .po files with the original (there is no .pot file involved!). I do not like the fact that still another PO/POT file is involved. Wouldn't it be easier for translators to have only one PO/POT file? This way it is also possible to reuse common translations and to check for consistency in the program and manual page. Fine with me, but as I am not a debconf wizard, I am afraid, I can't help you with this non-standard use case. So far, man pages have been dealt differently than debconf or program messages. Could it be that it is impossible to handle this with one POT file? Shouln't we file a few wishlist bugs against po4a, gettext, ...? I don't know, feel free to submit a wishlist bug. 3. For each language you've received translations for, add the following line in your debian/rules: po4a-translate -f man -m hex-a-hop.6 -p hex-a-hop.Xi.po -a hex-a-hop.Xi.add -l hex-a-hop.Xi.6 This should work even if hex-a-hop.Xi.po contains more messages (includes the master PO file), right? Yes, this should work even then. 4. Add the following note where other people can find it, e.g. README.Debian: Note to translators: Do you really think this belongs to README.Debian? It is an internal detail (we also do not install the POT file in binaries -- only in source). If we use only a single PO file we do not need to explain anything, right? Please note I said e.g.. And yes, a single PO file would suffice, though I still suggest adding a note that a man page is involved as well. 6. Once you received hex-a-hop.vi.po, hex-a-hop.de.po, hex-a-hop.de.add and possibly hex-a-hop.vi.add, copy them to debian/. Hey, what about Russian, Bulgarian, Dutch and Spanish :-? No prejudice against any langauge, I just used an example at the time this transition was made (and especially the vi translator requested this change on a public maling list). Greetings Helge -- Dr. Helge Kreutzmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipl.-Phys. http://www.helgefjell.de/debian.php 64bit GNU powered gpg signed mail preferred Help keep free software libre: http://www.ffii.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Pkg-games-devel mailing list Pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-games-devel
Bug#438676: hex-a-hop: Switch to po4a for man page translation
Hello, On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 06:11:40PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 03:41:02AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 11:24:04PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: Could it be that it is impossible to handle this with one POT file? Shouln't we file a few wishlist bugs against po4a, gettext, ...? OK, I found a solution. It's not perfect and uses sed but it's also not too complicated and simplifies the translation definitely. Helge, can you test it and update de.po? Thanks. My observations (please tell me if you want bug reports): 1.Because of the problem mentioned earlier (\- invalid?) the German man page was not build, but I only noticed it because I was looking for it. Maybe include a check, that all languages who build once are present in each new version and fail otherwise? 2. The German man page addendum is missing. Please include it. If needed, I can resend it, of course. 3. The mouse cursor is missing inside hex-a-hop. This renders the navigation awkward. I double checked, in 0.0.20070315-3 this was not the case, so this is clearly a regression. 4. When launching the game from an xterm, I get the new messages: Warning: don't know window with for message: Warning: don't know window with for message: Spiel fortfahren 1 (89% komplett) Maybe this is related to 3. 5. Trying to scroll on the map kills the game (segfault) and the following message is printed: Writing binary file save1.dat (/home/helge/.hex-a-hop/save1.dat) *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x0061ec00 *** Abgebrochen As this has happended *never* before to me, this is a huge regression, so I revert now to -3 for playing again. Of course, releasing with 3. and 5. will cause (at least important in the latter case) bug reports. Greetings Helge -- Dr. Helge Kreutzmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipl.-Phys. http://www.helgefjell.de/debian.php 64bit GNU powered gpg signed mail preferred Help keep free software libre: http://www.ffii.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Pkg-games-devel mailing list Pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-games-devel
Bug#438676: hex-a-hop: Switch to po4a for man page translation
Hello Jens, On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 07:49:57PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 07:00:58PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: the po file and saw that you removed all \-. I left one in (for purpose, though I am not 100% sure if it is right) and now msgfmt --statistics -o /dev/null complains: No, not I changed \- to - but po4a. But this is OK as the generated manpage will contain \-. So all is OK. Looking at your description for \- from below (thanks!) this behaviour of po4a is broken, or at least suboptimal. I understand, that hex-a-hop should contain minus signs (for pasting into a shell, as explaind), but after the name in the NAME section, this should definitly be a hyphen. Should we replace the - by \(hy as suggested by the documentation? If so, this should happend rather soonish, as some non-latin languages might need to translate this as well. Yep, I fixed this once. I also compared the old and new manpage. They are identical (except comments). Yes, I also compared all strings, and the only difference I saw where line breaks (which are of course only in source). If you need more information or extra help for the other issues I reported please tell me, though looking at my time table, I am probably rather tight this weekend. Greetings Helge -- Dr. Helge Kreutzmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipl.-Phys. http://www.helgefjell.de/debian.php 64bit GNU powered gpg signed mail preferred Help keep free software libre: http://www.ffii.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Pkg-games-devel mailing list Pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-games-devel
Bug#438676: hex-a-hop: Switch to po4a for man page translation
On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 07:29:49PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: My observations (please tell me if you want bug reports): 1.Because of the problem mentioned earlier (\- invalid?) the German man page was not build, but I only noticed it because I was looking for it. Maybe include a check, that all languages who build once are present in each new version and fail otherwise? Done. I also changed again - vs. \-. 2. The German man page addendum is missing. Please include it. If needed, I can resend it, of course. I added it already. 3. The mouse cursor is missing inside hex-a-hop. This renders the navigation awkward. I double checked, in 0.0.20070315-3 this was not the case, so this is clearly a regression. The Bulgarian translator noticed this too but it was never changed!? Please report and CC: him. 4. When launching the game from an xterm, I get the new messages: Warning: don't know window with for message: Warning: don't know window with for message: Spiel fortfahren 1 (89% komplett) Maybe this is related to 3. Yep. It should vanish once the code is fully ported to specify always the possible dialog width (such as it does now for the help). If this message occurs it means that the code assumes that the text can use the full screen width. This is purely cosmetic. 5. Trying to scroll on the map kills the game (segfault) and the following message is printed: Writing binary file save1.dat (/home/helge/.hex-a-hop/save1.dat) *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x0061ec00 *** Abgebrochen As this has happended *never* before to me, this is a huge regression, so I revert now to -3 for playing again. Oh no Please report it and try to reproduce it. I never noticed it. Of course, releasing with 3. and 5. will cause (at least important in the latter case) bug reports. Jens ___ Pkg-games-devel mailing list Pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-games-devel
Bug#438676: hex-a-hop: Switch to po4a for man page translation
On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 08:58:04PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 07:49:57PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 07:00:58PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: the po file and saw that you removed all \-. I left one in (for purpose, though I am not 100% sure if it is right) and now msgfmt --statistics -o /dev/null complains: No, not I changed \- to - but po4a. But this is OK as the generated manpage will contain \-. So all is OK. Looking at your description for \- from below (thanks!) this behaviour of po4a is broken, or at least suboptimal. I understand, that Right. Can you please file a bug? Thanks. hex-a-hop should contain minus signs (for pasting into a shell, as explaind), but after the name in the NAME section, this should definitly be a hyphen. Should we replace the - by \(hy as suggested by the documentation? If so, this should happend rather soonish, as some non-latin languages might need to translate this as well. Did so already. My lintian does not report anything, probably the Etch version is too old. Nevertheless I hope the old warnings (which my sponsor sent me) vanished now. though looking at my time table, I am probably rather tight this weekend. I too. I tried today to coat my appartment but failed and will do it tomorrow :-) Jens ___ Pkg-games-devel mailing list Pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-games-devel
Bug#438676: hex-a-hop: Switch to po4a for man page translation
Hello Jens, On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 09:11:47PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 07:29:49PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: My observations (please tell me if you want bug reports): 3. The mouse cursor is missing inside hex-a-hop. This renders the navigation awkward. I double checked, in 0.0.20070315-3 this was not the case, so this is clearly a regression. The Bulgarian translator noticed this too but it was never changed!? Please report and CC: him. Against which version? -4 is unreleased, and -3 works. [1] 4. When launching the game from an xterm, I get the new messages: Warning: don't know window with for message: Warning: don't know window with for message: Spiel fortfahren 1 (89% komplett) Maybe this is related to 3. Yep. It should vanish once the code is fully ported to specify always the possible dialog width (such as it does now for the help). If this message occurs it means that the code assumes that the text can use the full screen width. This is purely cosmetic. Ok. Normally I use the menu, so I won't see all those messages. 5. Trying to scroll on the map kills the game (segfault) and the following message is printed: Writing binary file save1.dat (/home/helge/.hex-a-hop/save1.dat) *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x0061ec00 *** Abgebrochen As this has happended *never* before to me, this is a huge regression, so I revert now to -3 for playing again. Oh no Please report it and try to reproduce it. I never noticed it. Again, against which version? And of course I can reproduce it. Just continue a game, and move the mouse to the right once the card shows up. And there your hex-a-hop went. (Downgrading to -3 again). Greetings Helge [1] Does the BTS support reporting against unreleased versions? Could this block those version from entering Sid :-)) -- Dr. Helge Kreutzmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipl.-Phys. http://www.helgefjell.de/debian.php 64bit GNU powered gpg signed mail preferred Help keep free software libre: http://www.ffii.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Pkg-games-devel mailing list Pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-games-devel
Bug#438676: hex-a-hop: Switch to po4a for man page translation
On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 09:41:59PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 09:11:47PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 07:29:49PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: My observations (please tell me if you want bug reports): 3. The mouse cursor is missing inside hex-a-hop. This renders the navigation awkward. I double checked, in 0.0.20070315-3 this was not the case, so this is clearly a regression. The Bulgarian translator noticed this too but it was never changed!? Please report and CC: him. Against which version? -4 is unreleased, and -3 works. [1] Mhm, I'm not sure. Try -4 and add somewhere SVN version with the current revision (svn info). 5. Trying to scroll on the map kills the game (segfault) and the following message is printed: Writing binary file save1.dat (/home/helge/.hex-a-hop/save1.dat) *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x0061ec00 *** Abgebrochen As this has happended *never* before to me, this is a huge regression, so I revert now to -3 for playing again. Oh no Please report it and try to reproduce it. I never noticed it. Again, against which version? And of course I can reproduce it. Just continue a game, and move the mouse to the right once the card shows up. And there your hex-a-hop went. (Downgrading to -3 again). No, sorry, I cannot verify it. Probably because I work on 32bit i386 and you use a 64bit Alpha CPU (what endianess?)? [1] Does the BTS support reporting against unreleased versions? Could this block those version from entering Sid :-)) Yes, I think so. Jens ___ Pkg-games-devel mailing list Pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-games-devel
Bug#438676: hex-a-hop: Switch to po4a for man page translation
On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 10:20:05PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 09:41:59PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 09:11:47PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 07:29:49PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: My observations (please tell me if you want bug reports): 3. The mouse cursor is missing inside hex-a-hop. This renders the navigation awkward. I double checked, in 0.0.20070315-3 this was not the case, so this is clearly a regression. The Bulgarian translator noticed this too but it was never changed!? Please report and CC: him. Against which version? -4 is unreleased, and -3 works. [1] Mhm, I'm not sure. Try -4 and add somewhere SVN version with the current revision (svn info). No need to report this. I found it: The old font I removed had a special character containing a mouse cursor image at 0x7F. A proper font does not display anything for this character as is is a special escape sequence (DEL). I activated the normal mouse cursor instead ... [1] Does the BTS support reporting against unreleased versions? Could this block those version from entering Sid :-)) Yes, I think so. Let me clarify: I think BTS supports reporting against unreleased versions (and allows to fix this later using found, notfound). I'm not sure whether a release critical bug on the not yet released version -4 would block it later but I would assume so. If the bug will be fixed in -4 it can be closed and should not block anything. Jens ___ Pkg-games-devel mailing list Pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-games-devel
Bug#438676: hex-a-hop: Switch to po4a for man page translation
Package: hex-a-hop Version: 0.0.20070315-3 Severity: wishlist Tags: l10n patch As promised. Actually, its quite simple. 1. Add the following line in your debian/rules, where X1, X2, X3, .. are all languages you've received man page translations for: po4a-updatepo -f man -m hex-a-hop.6 -p hex-a-hop.X1.po -p hex-a-hop.X2.po -p hex-a-hop.X3.po This call will synchronise the various .po files with the original (there is no .pot file involved!). 2. Remove existing translations (currently only German). Do *not* send me any file, simply inform me (best before upload) about the switch, and I provide you a hex-a-hop.de.po (see also below). 3. For each language you've received translations for, add the following line in your debian/rules: po4a-translate -f man -m hex-a-hop.6 -p hex-a-hop.Xi.po -a hex-a-hop.Xi.add -l hex-a-hop.Xi.6 where Xi is the two letter language code. This call will build the actual localized man pages. Using some make file trickery, you might get this call down to two lines, one for languages with, one for languages without an addendum. The addendum is a locale dependent paragraph, typically stating the translator and his copyright. 4. Add the following note where other people can find it, e.g. README.Debian: Note to translators: There are three parts to translate for hex-a-hop. Please obtain the current source (apt-get source hex-a-hop) and change into hex-a-hop/debian. a) The programm messages. Run: make -f i18n/Makefile hex-a-hop.pot and copy hex-a-hop.pot to your language, e.g. vi.po. Translate it as usual. b) The man page. Run: po4a-updatepo -f man -m hex-a-hop.6 -p hex-a-hop.X1.po where you replace X1 with your language code, e.g. vi. Translate it as usual. If you want to add an extra paragraph, e.g. describing your copyright for the translation or other language dependent information, create a file named hex-a-hop.X1.add. The first line of this file must read: PO4A-HEADER:mode=after;position=AUTHOR;beginboundary=\.SH Please *only* replace the word AUTHOR by the translation of this word to your language. For more details read po4a(7). c) The desktop file: Simply tell us the translation for Puzzle game based on hexagonal tiles Afterwards send us X1.po, hex-a-hop.X1.po and the translation of the string from c) using reportbug(1). Of course, we also accept partial translations, e.g. a) OR b) OR c). We will include your translation in the next release of hex-a-hop. 5. Send hex-a-hop.vi.po to Clytie (of course without any vi string, just generated as stated in 4 b)) and inform me that you switch to po4a. 6. Once you received hex-a-hop.vi.po, hex-a-hop.de.po, hex-a-hop.de.add and possibly hex-a-hop.vi.add, copy them to debian/. 7. Add po4a to your build-depends in debian/control 8. Add the appropriate changelog entry(s) 9. Rebuild the package A. Upload the package B. Enjoy! -- Dr. Helge Kreutzmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dipl.-Phys. http://www.helgefjell.de/debian.php 64bit GNU powered gpg signed mail preferred Help keep free software libre: http://www.ffii.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Pkg-games-devel mailing list Pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-games-devel
