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Bug#342341: eclipse: too many unneeded dependencies
Le Fri 16/12/2005, Michael Koch disait On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:32:11AM +0100, Erwan David wrote: Le Wed 14/12/2005, Michael Koch disait I would like that you check the facts before writing such words. You are free not to use the Eclipse packaged by Debian but e.g. the Help system which is a vital system for some users will not work. Other thinks don't work either. Upstream Eclipse 3.1.1 don't works with free java runtimes at all because of broken memory management in JDT. It works perfectly without mozilla. It needs a browser but that's why every browser package has a Provides: www-browser, so the dependency should be on www-browser, not mozilla-browser. Not all packages providing www-browser export the needed shared library for the embedded browser in Eclipse, which is the default and preferred way in Eclipse upstream as Billy wrote. And that doies not explain th gnome dependency, which is heavier, and tottaly inadequate and, I repeat DANGEROUS. Eclipse doesn't depend on gnome, just on some libraries gnome provides. Many applications do this. That is neither heavy nor totally inadequate. Our goal is to make Eclipse ready-to-use after a simple 'apt-get install eclipse' No eclipse (the software) depends on *gtk* libs. Even eclipse.org does not cite gnome as a requirements. *YOU* impose gnome. To make this happen we have to depend on some stuff that may not be needed but is needed in the default configuration of Eclipse. When you don't need this features, don't use them. It is definitely NOT DANGEROUS. Data loss would be DANGEROUS. Gnome IS a danger becaéuse its goal is to impose a tatlly inadequate way of using a computer to people who do not want it. Gnome is contrary to the freedom of the user. -- Erwan David ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#342341: eclipse: too many unneeded dependencies
On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 09:19:43AM +0100, Erwan David wrote: Le Fri 16/12/2005, Michael Koch disait On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:32:11AM +0100, Erwan David wrote: Le Wed 14/12/2005, Michael Koch disait I would like that you check the facts before writing such words. You are free not to use the Eclipse packaged by Debian but e.g. the Help system which is a vital system for some users will not work. Other thinks don't work either. Upstream Eclipse 3.1.1 don't works with free java runtimes at all because of broken memory management in JDT. It works perfectly without mozilla. It needs a browser but that's why every browser package has a Provides: www-browser, so the dependency should be on www-browser, not mozilla-browser. Not all packages providing www-browser export the needed shared library for the embedded browser in Eclipse, which is the default and preferred way in Eclipse upstream as Billy wrote. And that doies not explain th gnome dependency, which is heavier, and tottaly inadequate and, I repeat DANGEROUS. Eclipse doesn't depend on gnome, just on some libraries gnome provides. Many applications do this. That is neither heavy nor totally inadequate. Our goal is to make Eclipse ready-to-use after a simple 'apt-get install eclipse' No eclipse (the software) depends on *gtk* libs. Even eclipse.org does not cite gnome as a requirements. *YOU* impose gnome. To make this happen we have to depend on some stuff that may not be needed but is needed in the default configuration of Eclipse. When you don't need this features, don't use them. It is definitely NOT DANGEROUS. Data loss would be DANGEROUS. Gnome IS a danger beca?use its goal is to impose a tatlly inadequate way of using a computer to people who do not want it. Gnome is contrary to the freedom of the user. OK. I've had enough of this, please. Since the technical side of the bug report has been excessively dealt with, I suggest closing it as not a bug, since we have an Eclipse developer's confirmation. As far as the non-technical side of the bug report goes, I'd suggest that Erwin takes that discussion somewhere else. We're building a universal operating system, and abusing the bug tracker for flamewars does not help. Thank you. cheers, dalibor topic -- Erwan David ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#342341: marked as done (eclipse: too many unneeded dependencies)
Your message dated Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:17:21 +0100 with message-id [EMAIL PROTECTED] and subject line Bug#342341: eclipse: too many unneeded dependencies has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the Bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith. (NB: If you are a system administrator and have no idea what I am talking about this indicates a serious mail system misconfiguration somewhere. Please contact me immediately.) Debian bug tracking system administrator (administrator, Debian Bugs database) -- Received: (at submit) by bugs.debian.org; 7 Dec 2005 09:54:05 + From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 07 01:54:05 2005 Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mail.trusted-logic.com ([62.240.237.76] ident=postfix) by spohr.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ejvzx-0004zt-60 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:54:05 -0800 Received: from localhost (crozetdeux [127.0.0.1]) by mail.trusted-logic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4B12A0129; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:54:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.trusted-logic.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (crozetdeux [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12149-04; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:54:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from maio.trusted-logic.fr (maio.trusted-logic.fr [192.168.1.133]) by mail.trusted-logic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB90D2A010E; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:54:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (maio.trusted-logic.fr [127.0.0.1]) by maio.trusted-logic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8797653C05A; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:54:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from maio.trusted-logic.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (maio [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20371-06; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:54:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from brehat.trusted-logic.fr (brehat.trusted-logic.fr [192.168.4.130]) by maio.trusted-logic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759C553C03D; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:54:02 +0100 (CET) Received: by brehat.trusted-logic.fr (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 49038C79C3; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:54:02 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Erwan David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian Bug Tracking System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: eclipse: too many unneeded dependencies Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: reportbug 3.18 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:54:02 +0100 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at trusted-logic.fr X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at trusted-logic.fr Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on spohr.debian.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HAS_PACKAGE autolearn=no version=2.60-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Package: eclipse Severity: normal sudo apt-get -u install eclipse Password: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: dbus-1 dbus-glib-1 eclipse-jdt eclipse-jdt-common eclipse-pde eclipse-pde-common eclipse-platform eclipse-platform-common eclipse-rcp eclipse-rcp-common eclipse-source gconf2 gconf2-common gnome-keyring gnome-mime-data junit libbcel-java libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common libcommons-beanutils-java libcommons-collections-java libcommons-collections3-java libcommons-dbcp-java libcommons-digester-java libcommons-el-java libcommons-fileupload-java libcommons-launcher-java libcommons-logging-java libcommons-modeler-java libcommons-pool-java libfam0c102 libgconf2-4 libgnome-keyring0 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common libhal-storage0 libhal0 libjsch-java liblog4j1.2-java liblucene-java liblucene-java-doc libmx4j-java liborbit2 libregexp-java libscrollkeeper0 libservlet2.4-java libsmbclient libswt3.1-gtk-java libswt3.1-gtk-jni libtomcat5-java mozilla-browser scrollkeeper shared-mime-info zenity Which means 195 MB on disk... eclipse does not need gnome, so there is a dependency problem on this side. Same thing with mozilla-browser. In any case this makes the package uninstallable here (no gnome). -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable APT prefers testing APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Kernel: Linux 2.6.14-1-k7 Locale: LANG=C, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (charmap=ISO-8859-15) --- Received: (at 342341-done) by bugs.debian.org; 16 Dec 2005 10:14:27 + From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 16 02:14:27
Processed: tagging 343177
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Bug#342789: eclipse: Eclipse crashes at startup
hello, i have the exact same problem on my debian/unstable box. i have these packages (downloaded from packages.debian.org). $ dpkg -l | grep eclipse ii eclipse-platform 3.1.1-6 Eclipse platform without plug-ins to develop ii eclipse-platform-common 3.1.1-6 Eclipse platform without plug-ins to develop ii eclipse-rcp 3.1.1-6 Eclipse rich client platform ii eclipse-rcp-common 3.1.1-6 Eclipse rich client platform (common files) ii eclipse-rcp-gcj 3.1.1-6 Eclipse rich client platform (GCJ version) anything i can do to help? i am unfortunately completetly ignorant in all things eclipse and java :) mats ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#342789: eclipse: Eclipse crashes at startup
Michael Koch wrote: On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 01:40:30PM +0100, Mats Cronqvist wrote: hello, i have the exact same problem on my debian/unstable box. i have these packages (downloaded from packages.debian.org). $ dpkg -l | grep eclipse ii eclipse-platform 3.1.1-6 Eclipse platform without plug-ins to develop ii eclipse-platform-common 3.1.1-6 Eclipse platform without plug-ins to develop ii eclipse-rcp 3.1.1-6 Eclipse rich client platform ii eclipse-rcp-common 3.1.1-6 Eclipse rich client platform (common files) ii eclipse-rcp-gcj 3.1.1-6 Eclipse rich client platform (GCJ version) anything i can do to help? i am unfortunately completetly ignorant in all things eclipse and java :) For Eclipse you are at least missing some packages. Please do 'apt-get install eclipse' to get everything needed installed. well that worked like a charm. spologies for wasting your time. mats ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#342341: eclipse: too many unneeded dependencies
On 16-Dec-05, at 3:19 AM, Erwan David wrote: No eclipse (the software) depends on *gtk* libs. Even eclipse.org does not cite gnome as a requirements. *YOU* impose gnome. Erwan, what part about my description of our use of GNOME is confusing? We use GNOME-VFS to implement the Program API. It's used to: - determine what your system web browser is - determine what application should launch if you open the system editor in eclipse - actually run these programs Without GNOME-VFS, the preferences dialog that lists web browsers won't list anything, nor will the listing of external applications for file associations, nor will the open with system editor work, and any applications that depend on the SWT Program API will not work properly. Do you want me to change the Eclipse Platform 3.2 plan on eclipse.org to more clearly state that we depend on gnome-vfs I can do this if it would help! -Billy ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#342341: eclipse: too many unneeded dependencies
Le Fri 16/12/2005, Billy Biggs disait On 16-Dec-05, at 3:19 AM, Erwan David wrote: No eclipse (the software) depends on *gtk* libs. Even eclipse.org does not cite gnome as a requirements. *YOU* impose gnome. Erwan, what part about my description of our use of GNOME is confusing? We use GNOME-VFS to implement the Program API. It's used to: - determine what your system web browser is - determine what application should launch if you open the system editor in eclipse - actually run these programs Without GNOME-VFS, the preferences dialog that lists web browsers won't list anything, nor will the listing of external applications for file associations, nor will the open with system editor work, and any applications that depend on the SWT Program API will not work properly. Do you want me to change the Eclipse Platform 3.2 plan on eclipse.org to more clearly state that we depend on gnome-vfs I can do this if it would help! Yasd that would make easier for me to explain that eclipse is a windows only thing If you choose to make yoursellf dependant on people who claim that microsoft waéy is the only way to use a computer,be logical and make windows only software. -- Erwan David ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#342341: eclipse: too many unneeded dependencies
Hi, I don't want to add to the confusion, so I just reply to you. Feel to forward if you think my email is constructive enough to be considered ;-) On 16-Dec-05, at 3:19 AM, Erwan David wrote: We use GNOME-VFS to implement the Program API. It's used to: - determine what your system web browser is - determine what application should launch if you open the system editor in eclipse - actually run these programs Shouldn't the Debian way to determine web browser and system editor to use the default binaries 'sensible-browser' and 'sensible-editor'? I don't know if these binaries are policy or just a help, but perhaps, in deed, it would allow to remove some dependencies (which, I think, is always good, independent of all belief wars). Just my 2 cents, Eric -- Eric de France, d'Allemagne et de Navarre ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
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Bug#342789: eclipse: Eclipse crashes at startup
Quoting Michael Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 10:42:05AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have already tried to remove my ~/.eclipse but it did not help. $ls -l /usr/share/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.osgi_3.1.1.jar /usr/lib/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.osgi_3.1.1.jar lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 57 2005-12-16 00:37 /usr/lib/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.osgi_3.1.1.jar - ../../../share/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.osgi_3.1.1.jar -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 748300 2005-12-01 10:21 /usr/share/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.osgi_3.1.1.jar This looks okay. I have no java from sun anymore on my box. I have try to purge all my eclipse installation (apt-get remove --purge eclipse*) and to reinstall but it did not help. After this eclipse reinistall, I have tried eclipse -debug. Here is the first lines of log file : !SESSION 2005-12-16 10:34:11.999 --- eclipse.buildId=M20050929-0840 java.fullversion=GNU libgcj 4.0.3 20051204 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-5j2) BootLoader constants: OS=linux, ARCH=x86, WS=gtk, NL=en_US Command-line arguments: -os linux -ws gtk -arch x86 -debug !ENTRY org.eclipse.osgi 2005-12-16 10:34:15.37 !MESSAGE Bundle [EMAIL PROTECTED]/org.eclipse.jface_3.1.1.jar [10] was not resolved. !SUBENTRY 1 org.eclipse.osgi 2005-12-16 10:34:15.37 !MESSAGE Missing required bundle org.eclipse.swt_0.0.0. !ENTRY org.eclipse.osgi 2005-12-16 10:34:15.39 !MESSAGE Bundle [EMAIL PROTECTED]/org.eclipse.ui_3.1.1.jar [11] was not resolved. !SUBENTRY 1 org.eclipse.osgi 2005-12-16 10:34:15.40 !MESSAGE Missing required bundle org.eclipse.swt_0.0.0. !SUBENTRY 1 org.eclipse.osgi 2005-12-16 10:34:15.40 !MESSAGE Missing required bundle org.eclipse.jface_0.0.0. !SUBENTRY 1 org.eclipse.osgi 2005-12-16 10:34:15.40 !MESSAGE Missing required bundle org.eclipse.ui.workbench_0.0.0. What is the best way to remove *all* the eclipse and java related files from my box (packages but also .eclipse and so on). I would like to do as clean as possbile install of eclipse (I would like to be sure there is no crappy file in my eclipse install). The versions '0.0.0' look really suspicious. They are either cached in ~/.eclipse or ~/workspace/.metadata. As you have already tried to remove the ~/.eclipse dir I guess its the later. Can you please try to rename your ~/workspace dir for testing purposes? (And rename ~/.eclipse at the same time too to have a clean start). If this bug is related to a crappy file which is not under control of eclipse packages, I do apologize for the noise. That is okay. Others might have the same problems when using eclipse. I still have a bad feeling that this bug is related to an XML handling bug in libgcj6. Cheers, Michael -- Escape the Java Trap with GNU Classpath! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html Join the community at http://planet.classpath.org/ Hi, Sorry but I have once again remove and purged *all* the eclipse related packages (all eclipse + gcj and gij) than rm -rf ~/workspace and rm -rf ~/.eclipse and then reinstall eclipse and it works. I'm have no clue where the problem was because I have not change anything else. I'm not sure if it was noise or not... Xavier. ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
Bug#343667: eclipse: Help-Help Contents launches external browser
Package: eclipse Version: 3.1.1-6 Severity: normal Hi, if I'm not mistaken the help system should work such that opening the help opens a view with an embedded gecko-browser. However choosing Help-Help Contents launches a full firefox here. Opening the Help View manually works however. If the behaviour is indeed correct and I'm just stupid to think that Help-Help Contents launches the Help-View instead of an external browser, please immediately close this bug report. Hmm, looking through the preferences I do see that I cannot choose to use the internal web browser, maybe that's related? Andreas -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable APT prefers unstable APT policy: (990, 'unstable'), (500, 'experimental'), (500, 'testing'), (500, 'stable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.6.14.3-cherry+radeon Locale: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Versions of packages eclipse depends on: ii eclipse-jdt 3.1.1-6Java Development Tools plug-ins fo ii eclipse-pde 3.1.1-6Plug-in Development Environment to ii eclipse-source3.1.1-6Eclipse source code plug-ins eclipse recommends no packages. -- no debconf information ___ pkg-java-maintainers mailing list pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-java-maintainers
