Bug#847988: pd-libdir: does not respect current loader path

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

IOhannes m zmölnig:
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 23:45:41 +0100
> =?UTF-8?Q?IOhannes_m_zm=c3=b6lnig_=28Debian/GNU=29?=
>   wrote:
>> On 12/12/2016 10:06 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>>> please fix the loader, so it respects the 'path' argument.
>>
>>
>> afaict, this is fixed in the upstream-clone at
>>https://github.com/pure-data/libdir
>>
>> however, the code there needs review.
> 
> do you intend to fix this for stretch?
> 
> dgasndr
> IOhannes
> 

I looked at it, seems alright, but I can't really say much because I
haven't tracked the changes in Pd in the past couple years.  Feel free
to upload and make a release.

.hc

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Bug#847988: pd-libdir: does not respect current loader path

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

yes, I'll happily review your fix.

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Bug#743738: pd-ggee: fails to build with clang instead of gcc

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: pending

This is already fixed in the upstream svn, so the fix will be included when 
0.27 is released.
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Bug#743737: pd-unauthorized: fails to build with clang instead of gcc

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: pending

This is already fixed in the upstream svn, so the fix will be included in the 
next release.
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Re: Cleaning up the team's packages?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Feb 25, 2014, at 8:55 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:
 I just uploaded a new version of openni, which should fix the open issues
 preventing the openni-sensor-* packages from hitting testing.  Thanks to
 Jochen for the update.
 
 Bug 734768 needs to be closed in a version of
 openni-sensor-pointclouds, but was closed in a version of openni. Thus
 the bts still thinks it is open.

Done (by someone else).

.hc
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Re: Cleaning up the team's packages?

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: #733395: mididings: FTBFS: ld: cannot find
 -lboost_python-mt
 testing-migration: Migration: Not in testing for 24 days
 
 Package: mplayer
 Binary: mplayer-gui, mencoder, mplayer, mplayer-dbg, mplayer-doc
 Uploaders: A Mennucc1 mennu...@debian.org, Reinhard Tartler 
 siret...@tauware.de, Andres Mejia ame...@debian.org
 Version: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1
 RC-bug: RC bug needs fixing: #726838: mplayer depends upon old libavutil
 under unstable
 RC-bug: RC bug needs fixing: #711578: Remove support for svgalib
 RC-bug: RC bug needs fixing: #732159: Should this package be removed?
 RC-bug: RC bug needs fixing: #708140: FTBFS: error: 'class RTSPClient' has
 no member named 'setupMediaSubsession' etc.
 testing-migration: Migration: Not in testing for 186 days
 
 Package: openni-sensor-pointclouds
 Binary: libopenni-sensor-pointclouds-dev, libopenni-sensor-pointclouds0
 Uploaders: Debian Multimedia Maintainers 
 pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org, Hans-Christoph Steiner
 h...@eds.org
 Version: 5.1.0.41.1-1
 RC-bug: RC bug needs fixing: #734768: libopenni-sensor-pointclouds0:
 modifies conffiles (policy 10.7.3): /etc/openni/modules.xml
 testing-migration: Migration: Not in testing for 4 days
 
 Package: toonloop
 Binary: toonloop
 Uploaders: Alexandre Quessy alexan...@quessy.net, Jonas Smedegaard 
 d...@jones.dk
 Version: 2.2.0-1
 RC-bug: RC bug needs fixing: #721368: toonloop: FTBFS with newer boost.
 RC-bug: RC bug needs fixing: #701367: toonloop: ftbfs with GCC-4.8
 testing-migration: Migration: Not in testing for 186 days
 missing-build: Missing build on amd64: state Build-Attempted since
 2013-08-31
 missing-build: Missing build on armel: state Build-Attempted since
 2013-09-01
 missing-build: Missing build on armhf: state Failed since 2013-11-20
 missing-build: Missing build on i386: state Build-Attempted since 2013-08-31
 missing-build: Missing build on mips: state Failed since 2013-10-28
 missing-build: Missing build on mipsel: state Failed since 2013-10-30
 missing-build: Missing build on powerpc: state Build-Attempted since
 2014-01-18
 missing-build: Missing build on s390x: state Failed since 2013-10-27
 missing-build: Missing build on sparc: state Build-Attempted since
 2013-08-31
 
 Package: tsdecrypt
 Binary: tsdecrypt
 Uploaders: Alessio Treglia ales...@debian.org
 Version: 10.0-1
 RC-bug: RC bug needs fixing: #730415: tsdecrypt uses inappropriate build
 flags including -march=native
 testing-migration: Migration: Not in testing for 58 days
 
 Package: vdpau-video
 Binary: vdpau-va-driver
 Uploaders: Andres Mejia ame...@debian.org
 Version: 0.7.3-2
 RC-bug: RC bug needs fixing: #713612: vdpau-video: FTBFS:
 utils_glx.h:163:5: error: unknown type name 'PFNGLMULTITEXCOORD2FPROC'
 testing-migration: Migration: Not in testing for 128 days
 
 
 
 
 
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getting openni-sensor-pointclouds into Debian/testing

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hey Jochen,

FYI, this bug is preventing openni-sensor-pointclouds from being accepted from
unstable into Debian/testing.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734768

Fixing it should just be a matter of moving modules.xml from /etc to /var and
adding it to the postrm script.

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Bug#734110: openni: FTBFS: Unknown platform: ppc

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Thanks for the patch!  This would be a great thing to forward upstream, have
you tried that?  I think they would accept it.  I'm also OK with including it
as part of the Debian package regardless.

.hc

On 01/03/2014 04:44 PM, Roland Stigge wrote:
 Source: openni
 Version: 1.5.4.0-6
 Severity: important
 Tags: patch
 User: debian-powerpc...@breakpoint.cc
 Usertags: powerpcspe
 
 Hi,
 
 on powerpc and powerpcspe, openni FTBFS like this:
 
 ...
 make[1]: Entering directory `/«PKGBUILDDIR»'
 cd Platform/Linux/CreateRedist  ./RedistMaker
 Unknown platform: ppc
 make[1]: *** [override_dh_auto_build] Error 1
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/«PKGBUILDDIR»'
 make: *** [build-arch] Error 2
 ...
 
 The attached patch fixes this.
 
 Roland
 
 
 -- System Information:
 Debian Release: 7.0
   APT prefers unreleased
   APT policy: (500, 'unreleased'), (500, 'unstable')
 Architecture: powerpcspe (ppc)
 
 Kernel: Linux 3.9.0-dirty (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
 Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) (ignored: 
 LC_ALL set to en_GB.UTF-8)
 Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
 
 
 
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Bug#734110: doesn't build with patch

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

When I add the patch as the final patch in the package, it fails to build.  It
looks like the patch is formatted for applying upstream.  If you make your
patch a patch to the packaging, and I'll include it in the package.

dpkg-source: info: patches are not applied, applying them now
dpkg-source: info: applying 0001-do-not-build-mono-samples.patch
dpkg-source: info: applying 0002-Add-SONAME-to-libraries.patch
dpkg-source: info: applying 0003-Change-path-of-config-files-to-etc-openni.patch
dpkg-source: info: applying 0004-Disable-SSE.patch
dpkg-source: info: applying 0005-Silence-asserts.patch
dpkg-source: info: applying 0006-Use-system-wide-libjpeg.patch
dpkg-source: info: applying 0007-Use-system-wide-tinyxml.patch
dpkg-source: info: applying
0008-Fix-preprocessor-macro-to-be-C-11-compatible.patch
dpkg-source: info: applying 0009-Remove-superfluous-printf.patch
dpkg-source: info: applying 0011-do-not-compile-windows-chm-file.patch
dpkg-source: info: applying 0012-port-to-powerpc.patch
dpkg-source: error: LC_ALL=C patch -t -F 0 -N -p1 -u -V never -g0 -E -b -B
.pc/0012-port-to-powerpc.patch/ 
openni/debian/patches/0012-port-to-powerpc.patch gave error exit status 1
patching file Platform/Linux/CreateRedist/Redist_OpenNi.py
Hunk #1 FAILED at 186.
Hunk #2 FAILED at 335.
2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file
Platform/Linux/CreateRedist/Redist_OpenNi.py.rej
patching file Platform/Linux/Build/Common/CommonDefs.mak
patching file Platform/Linux/Build/Common/Platform.Powerpc
patching file Include/Linux-Powerpc/XnPlatformLinux-Powerpc.h
patching file Include/XnOS.h
patching file Include/XnPlatform.h
patching file Source/OpenNI/XnOpenNI.cpp
patching file Samples/NiViewer/NiViewer.cpp
patching file Include/XnUSBDevice.h
Hunk #1 FAILED at 48.
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file Include/XnUSBDevice.h.rej
dpkg-buildpackage: error: dpkg-source -i -I --before-build openni gave error
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Re: becoming a Debian developer...

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 12/19/2013 09:15 AM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:50 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA256

 hi fellow packagers,

 now that i have become DM, i thought it probably time to do the last
 step and become DD as well.
 
 Excellent news!
 
 snip
 for the process of becoming a DD, i'm currently looking for advocates,
 which is where you come into play :-)
 so if you think me becoming a DD is feasible, it would be great if you
 could drop me a note, so i could proceed on that track.
 
 Count me as advocate too.
 

I will advocate too.  I can also help with the DD process, since I recently
went thru it.  Its a pretty long process that involves quite a bit of work.
My advice is to start the process whenever you are ready, but don't stress out
making it happen fast.  Since you're a DM and I think you've been granted
upload access to all of the packages you maintain, you already have most of
the access you'll use.

.hc

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Re: RFS: updated pd-cyclone

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

There is a lintian error on this package:
E: pd-cyclone source: missing-build-dependency dpkg-dev (= 1.16.1~)

Since I don't really maintain CDBS packages and IOhannes is stepping up on the
maintenance, I'm removing myself from Uploaders on this one.

I'll grant you upload on it, please handle the lintian error.

.hc

On 12/09/2013 11:57 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
 i've updated the pd-cyclone package, to fix bug #715772.
 
 while doing so, i also streamlined the packaging a bit, so it now
  - uses more features of cdbs
  - applies debian-specific build-flags (hardening!)
  - has only 1 lintian errors/warning (instead of 162), and this one is
 due to an outdated lintian...
  - has an updated watch-file
  - has me added as uploader
 
 someone please review and upload the package or comment :-)
 
 OR grant me upload permissions via dak.
 
 cheers,
 dfasm
 IOhannes
 
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Re: getting openni2 into Debian

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 11/25/2013 06:52 AM, Hauke Wintjen wrote:
 
 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org hat am 23. November 2013 um 18:43 
 geschrieben:




 On 11/22/2013 05:55 AM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 Hi,

 * Hauke Wintjen hwint...@rimpl-consulting.de [2013-11-21 09:30]:
 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org hat am 20. November 2013 um 20:13 
 geschrieben:
 Also, what tool are you building it with? I couldn't get it to build with
 either dpkg-buildpackage or git-buildpackage.

 I have written in the wiki of my fork:
 git-buildpackage --git-no-sign-tags --git-ignore-new -us -uc
 and it builds packages for me.

 I think I've found the root of this. Hauke added new upstream tags
 (2.3.0.14.3). I would propose to reorganize the repo and only build
 Debian packages based on upstream tags. @Hans-Christoph, did you set up
 a repo on git.debian.org already, or could you do it, so we can clean
 this up?

 Cheers Jochen

 Now that alioth is back up and running, I set it up as 'openni2'
 http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/openni2.git

  
 Great to hear that!
  
 
 Read-only is here:
 https://alioth.debian.org/anonscm/git/pkg-multimedia/openni2.git

 Read/write is here:
 git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/pkg-multimedia/openni2.git
  
 Ok, should i push the repo inside that?

 Things have changed a bit with alioth, its a new server so it might have new
 SSH keys for you. I see the RSA key with the host key fingerprint of:
 d7:0b:26:5c:7a:5d:56:40:a9:e0:5d:f4:e1:70:88:bf
  
 Ok, i will try to login.
  
 Created just an account with hcw70-guest on alioth.

 I highly recommend using the git-buildpackage layout, and I can help with the
 process of converting the current repo to a git-buildpackage style repo.
  
 Ok, could you please provide some info on this? I thought this is already 
 done that way with my repo. Whats missing / wrong?

I set up the openni2 repo in pkg-multimedia git-buildpackage style.  It should
include all of the work in your 2.2.0.33 version of the package.

These are two good overviews of this workflow:
https://wiki.debian.org/PackagingWithGit
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/DevelopPackaging

This covers how to include the upstream git history in the package's git repo:
http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2013-04/001.html

Here's a way to set up with the full git-buildpackage style with the upstream
git repo included:

$ sudo apt-get install git-buildpackage pristine-tar
$ gbp-clone git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/pkg-multimedia/openni2.git
$ cd openni2
$ git remote add upstream https://github.com/OpenNI/OpenNI2
$ git fetch upstream

Now you can build the package using git-buildpackage, and it'll also run all
sorts of extra checks on it, like lintian:

$ git-buildpackage

For including a new release, you can both import the pristine tarball from
github, and tie it to the upstream git history:

$ wget https://github.com/OpenNI/OpenNI2/archive/7bef8f639e4d6.tar.gz
$ cd openni2
$ git tag 2.2.0.33 7bef8f639e4d6
$ git-import-orig --upstream-vcs-tag=2.2.0.33 ../7bef8f639e4d6.tar.gz

I didn't add your 'develop' branch, but you can add that as well to this mix
as well.

In terms of getting it uploaded to Debian, you need to update the
debian/copyright with all copyright info for all files included in the
git/tarball.  checkout the openni package for a good example.

There is also a syntax error in your debian/changelog, use the program 'dch'
to edit it, and it'll automatically handle the syntax for you.

I pushed your package to my OpenNI PPA for anyone to try, let's hope it builds:
https://launchpad.net/~eighthave/+archive/openni/+packages

.hc


 Hauke, were you able to request an account on alioth yet? I forget where that
 stands.
  
 Yes, see above.
 

 .hc

  
  
 Kind regards
  
 Hauke
  
 



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Re: openni_1.5.4.0-6_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into unstable, unstable

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 11/25/2013 01:49 PM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2013-11-25 11:08]:
 Uploaded!  Let's hope ftp-masters likes it :)
 
 Great, thanks :).
 
 Could you remove the patches which shouldn't be there?  I wouldn't know which
 ones to keep and which to remove.
 
 Done.
 
 Cheers Jochen
 

Ok, I tweaked a couple things and uploaded it to NEW :)

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Re: openni_1.5.4.0-6_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into unstable, unstable

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 11/24/2013 06:38 AM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 Hi Hans-Christoph,
 
 * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2013-11-23 13:28]:
 * the descriptions in debian/control still mention avin2.  Could you add
 something about what makes this 'pointclouds' fork different than the 
 official
 one, and avin2?
 
 Done in 579de11.
 
 * does openni-sensor-pointclouds conflict with the potentially upcoming
 openni-sensor-primesense and openni-sensor-avin2?  I.e. do they share paths 
 to
 the same files?  If so, that will need to be marked in the package once those
 others are added.
 
 Done in d4ba911.

Uploaded!  Let's hope ftp-masters likes it :)


 * as for uploading openni-sensor-primesense, isn't that just a matter of
 removing the patches that are specific to avin2 and pointclouds?  That one
 seemed ready to go for me, except for the issue of new features being added 
 by
 patches in debian/patches.
 
 The package descriptions would need an update as well, otherwise it
 should be fine.
 
 Cheers Jochen

Could you remove the patches which shouldn't be there?  I wouldn't know which
ones to keep and which to remove.

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Re: getting openni2 into Debian

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 11/22/2013 05:55 AM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 Hi,
 
 * Hauke Wintjen hwint...@rimpl-consulting.de [2013-11-21 09:30]:
 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org hat am 20. November 2013 um 20:13 
 geschrieben:
 Also, what tool are you building it with? I couldn't get it to build with
 either dpkg-buildpackage or git-buildpackage.
  
 I have written in the wiki of my fork:
 git-buildpackage --git-no-sign-tags --git-ignore-new -us -uc
 and it builds packages for me.
 
 I think I've found the root of this. Hauke added new upstream tags
 (2.3.0.14.3). I would propose to reorganize the repo and only build
 Debian packages based on upstream tags. @Hans-Christoph, did you set up
 a repo on git.debian.org already, or could you do it, so we can clean
 this up?
 
 Cheers Jochen

Now that alioth is back up and running, I set it up as 'openni2'
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/openni2.git

Read-only is here:
https://alioth.debian.org/anonscm/git/pkg-multimedia/openni2.git

Read/write is here:
git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/pkg-multimedia/openni2.git

Things have changed a bit with alioth, its a new server so it might have new
SSH keys for you.  I see the RSA key with the host key fingerprint of:
d7:0b:26:5c:7a:5d:56:40:a9:e0:5d:f4:e1:70:88:bf

I highly recommend using the git-buildpackage layout, and I can help with the
process of converting the current repo to a git-buildpackage style repo.

Hauke, were you able to request an account on alioth yet? I forget where that
stands.

.hc



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Re: openni_1.5.4.0-6_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into unstable, unstable

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 11/09/2013 12:36 PM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2013-11-04 14:20]:
 tarball to build the package from.  Here's your git repo:

 http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/openni-sensor-pointclouds.git;a=summary
 
 I've just pushed an adapted version there. Can you have a look at it and
 sponsor it, if it's ok?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Jochen
 

Ok, alioth is finally back up, so I'm reviewing this.

* I filed an ITP bug report and uploaded a couple small changes to the package

* the descriptions in debian/control still mention avin2.  Could you add
something about what makes this 'pointclouds' fork different than the official
one, and avin2?

* does openni-sensor-pointclouds conflict with the potentially upcoming
openni-sensor-primesense and openni-sensor-avin2?  I.e. do they share paths to
the same files?  If so, that will need to be marked in the package once those
others are added.

* as for uploading openni-sensor-primesense, isn't that just a matter of
removing the patches that are specific to avin2 and pointclouds?  That one
seemed ready to go for me, except for the issue of new features being added by
patches in debian/patches.

.hc





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Re: getting openni2 into Debian

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 11/21/2013 04:41 AM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 * IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at [2013-11-21 10:37]:
 it's always best to follow upstream as closely as possible (as long as
 they make sane assumptions :-)), esp. in picky areas like SONAMEing.

 if your package has not been in debian yet (which i think is true),
 you should get rid of any hacks like renaming SONAME, as long as this
 is still easily possible.
 
 We are not renaming the SONAME but adding one in the first place ;).
 
 Cheers Jochen

Including a description of the issue in the patch would be quite helpful.  It
looks like the upstream version has a SONAME since it ends in .so.2.  To add a
desciption just add this at the top of the patch file:

Description: renaming file to match our SONAME
 Upstream doesn't set SONAM blah blah blah...

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Re: getting openni2 into Debian

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

The first thing that needs doing is the debian/copyright file.  All of the
various licenses of the code that are included in the openni source release
need to be marked in there, or the Debian ftp-masters will reject the package.
 So things like in the ThirdParty/ folder.  Check out the debian/copyright in
'openni' for an example.

Also, your debian/changelog seems to have a syntax issue:

parsechangelog/debian: warning: openni2/debian/changelog(l6): badly formatted
trailer line
LINE:  -- Hauke Wintjen hwint...@rimpl-consulting.de  Fri, 29 Mar 2013
23:14:11 +010openni2 (2.1.0.4-1ubuntu1~1.gbp2a4158) UNRELEASED; urgency=low

The best way to edit debian/changelog is to use the 'dch' utility.

Also, what tool are you building it with?  I couldn't get it to build with
either dpkg-buildpackage or git-buildpackage.

Why do you change the SONAME from upstream?  That's a pretty unusual thing to 
do.
patches/0001-Add-SONAME-to-libraries.patch


.hc

On 11/20/2013 11:30 AM, Hauke Wintjen wrote:
 Hi Hans-Christoph.
 
 I already have readily debian / ubuntu packages on github, so the
 only thing missing is reviewing it by some more experienced debian
 maintainers and getting it into debian binary packages.
 
 These packages are also compiling / working on Raspbian(!).
 
 See https://github.com/hcw70/OpenNI2
 
 Regards
 
 Hauke
 
 
 Am Mittwoch, den 20.11.2013, 11:26 -0500 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:
 They've built up a new machine and have much of it restored, but its still in
 progress. I guess it was a really bad failure.  Feel free to work out of
 gitorious.org or github.com in the meantime.  Its easy to move git repos.

 .hc

 On 11/20/2013 03:47 AM, Hauke Wintjen wrote:
 Hi Hans-Christoph.

 Still no connection to alioth? Any News on this?

 Kind regards

 Hauke


 Am Dienstag, den 12.11.2013, 14:34 -0500 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:
 Glad to hear it!

 Yeah, there was a multiple disk failure on that server, so they have to
 restore the whole thing from backups.  That's what they're doing now.

 .hc

 On 11/12/2013 06:22 AM, Hauke Wintjen wrote:
 Hi Hans-Christoph.
  
 Now i had found some time for this project again and wanted to register 
 at alioth.
  
 But since yesterday the host is down (not only for me).
  
 Kind regards
  
 Hauke
  

 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org hat am 13. September 2013 um 20:48 
 geschrieben:



 Hey Hauke,

 I'm emailing you as part of the team working on the OpenNI packages for
 Debian. I'm glad to see you're work on openni2!
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=707056

 In case you haven't seen it, the most up-to-date version of the 'openni'
 package is here:
 http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/openni.git;a=summary

 All of the other OpenNI-related packaged are part of the Debian 
 pkg-multimedia
 project, and the git repos are there:
 http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?a=project_listpf=pkg-multimedias=opennibtnS=Search

 It would be great if you could also work out of a git repo hosted by the
 pkg-multimedia team. I can set up the repo, you just need to create an
 account on Alioth, the Debian git host:
 https://alioth.debian.org/account/register.php

 then request to join the pkg-multimedia project here:
 http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-multimedia

 We can then work out the final details and upload openni2 to Debian!

 .hc





 
 



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Re: openni_1.5.4.0-6_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into unstable, unstable

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 11/04/2013 02:32 PM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2013-11-04 14:20]:
 Looks good.  Next step is tagging a release there, so there is an upstream
 tarball to build the package from.
 I've just pushed Stable-5.1.0.41-pointclouds-1, can you import it?
 Otherwise I can do it tomorrow.

Having a dash in the upstream version number will make it tricky since the
package version comes after a dash.  Also, I think its good to have as simple
tag names as possible.  Since PrimeSense has long ones, this repo could use
very short ones like  '5.1.0.41'  Or even '5.1.0.41.1' if you want to throw in
a pointcloud-specific version.

.hc


 Here's your git repo:

 http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/openni-sensor-pointclouds.git;a=summary
 Great, thx.

 Cheers Jochen


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Re: openni_1.5.4.0-6_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into unstable, unstable

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 10/30/2013 02:30 PM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2013-10-30 12:11]:
 Patches in a Debian package are not meant for adding new functionality.  They
 are meant to get the code building/working/installing on Debian, and for
 fixing security bugs.  So the package that includes those patches should be
 named after the source of those patches.  Even better, that package should be
 based off of that source's release.  Those patches are not in the referenced
 git repo (https://github.com/PrimeSense/Sensor) and there is no description 
 in
 each patch to say where its from.  In the spirit of free software, people
 should be able to find all of the original sources of a package.
 Huh, every path in [1] should have a reference where it was taken from.
 I didn't provide a commit id because they are almost all part of one big
 patch.

 Is there a source repo somewhere that includes those patches?  Then lets use
 that and name the package after that.
 It was https://kforge.ros.org/openni/drivers back then, but seems like
 that doesn't exists anymore.

 Are any of them from the avin2 repo?
 As commented in the patches in [1].

I see now, I just grepped for the Description tag.  I should have looked
closer, sorry for the noise.


 I think adding a USB ID to support other devices is an OK thing to do in a 
 patch.
 Great, me too :). Could you comment on which patches you think are not
 ok then?

 Cheers Jochen

 [1] 
 http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/openni-sensor-primesense.git;a=tree;f=debian/patches;hb=HEAD

So it seems that you gathered a collection of patches from
https://github.com/avin2/SensorKinect, https://kforge.ros.org/openni/drivers,
and https://github.com/rbrusu/Sensor.  This is a great thing to do, gathering
all the useful patches in one place.  I just think it should be all in a
single git repo that anyone can use, i.e. on Fedora, Gentoo, whatever.

So how about you make a repo that has all of the general patches in it, then
we package that as 'openni-sensor-YOURNAMEHERE'.  Then the Debian-specific
patches, like for building against the system libjpeg, etc. will be in the
packaging.

Then 'openni-sensor-primesense' will be the primesense code with only the
Debian-specific patches applied, and maybe the ones adding USB ids if that
makes sense.

.hc


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Re: openni_1.5.4.0-6_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into unstable, unstable

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 10/29/2013 10:46 AM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2013-10-29 10:10]:
 My question is more the opposite: when do people use the plain version 
 without
 any of the avin2 patches?  I think we should call the current package
 'openni-sensor-avin2-sensorkinect', then leave it open for anyone to make the
 'openni-sensor-primesense' package that is the plain version direct from
 PrimeSense without the avin2 patches.
 But avin2 is known to be Kinect only. We could name it willow or
 something (as they made the patches), but from my point the patches are
 not so big to rename the package. Just for comparison, Fedora ships the
 patched version as well ;).

 Cheers Jochen
Patches in a Debian package are not meant for adding new functionality.  They
are meant to get the code building/working/installing on Debian, and for
fixing security bugs.  So the package that includes those patches should be
named after the source of those patches.  Even better, that package should be
based off of that source's release.  Those patches are not in the referenced
git repo (https://github.com/PrimeSense/Sensor) and there is no description in
each patch to say where its from.  In the spirit of free software, people
should be able to find all of the original sources of a package.

Is there a source repo somewhere that includes those patches?  Then lets use
that and name the package after that.

Are any of them from the avin2 repo?

I think adding a USB ID to support other devices is an OK thing to do in a 
patch.

.hc




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Re: openni_1.5.4.0-6_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into unstable, unstable

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 10/28/2013 03:24 PM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 (just recent my previous reply, to all, sorry for the spam)

 * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2013-10-28 15:20]:
 Is openni-sensor-primesense useful on its own?  That seems like a lot of
 patches to include in the package.  Are people using the plain
 openni-sensor-primesense stuff at all, or do you really need the avin2 stuff
 to make anything work?
 openni-sensor-primesense with the patches in the Debian git is usable
 with the Kinect as well as the Primesense sensor (Asus Xtion and alike).

My question is more the opposite: when do people use the plain version without
any of the avin2 patches?  I think we should call the current package
'openni-sensor-avin2-sensorkinect', then leave it open for anyone to make the
'openni-sensor-primesense' package that is the plain version direct from
PrimeSense without the avin2 patches.

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Re: openni_1.5.4.0-6_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into unstable, unstable

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

At long last, we finally did it!  openni is officially part of Debian (and soon 
it'll be automatically included in Ubuntu).

The openni2 package should be pretty straightforward then if openni2 is not too 
different than openni.  I don't currently have time to contribute to the 
packaging of openni2 but I can upload it to the Debian NEW Queue once its ready.

Also, is openni-sensor-primesense ready for upload? primesense-nite-nonfree is 
still waiting in the NEW queue, but hopefully it'll be accepted soon since it 
was just waiting on openni to be accepted.

.hc


On Oct 28, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Debian FTP Masters wrote:

 
 
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Re: openni_1.5.4.0-6_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into unstable, unstable

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:

 * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2013-10-28 13:26]:
 At long last, we finally did it!  openni is officially part of Debian (and 
 soon it'll be automatically included in Ubuntu).
 
 Awesome!

primesense-nite-nonfree just got accepted too.


 Also, is openni-sensor-primesense ready for upload? primesense-nite-nonfree 
 is still waiting in the NEW queue, but hopefully it'll be accepted soon 
 since it was just waiting on openni to be accepted.
 
 I've just pushed similar licensing patches as you did for Openni, so
 it's clear to go from me.
 
 Cheers Jochen

OK, I'll give it one more look and upload it when I have some time.  How about 
openni-sensor-avin2-sensorkinect?  Is that still worth having as a separate 
package?

.hc
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Re: OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf in original Microsoft Word format?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hey Ziv,

Just had a thought: if PrimeSense wants to see openni2 in Debian and Ubuntu 
sooner rather than later, it would be possible to do this as a consulting job.  
I am available for such work, and I imagine others are as well.  I'd defer to 
Jochen on it since he's done the most work recently.

.hc

On Oct 2, 2013, at 3:10 AM, Ziv Hendel wrote:

 Excellent!
 Thank you for all your work,
 Zivo.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [mailto:h...@eds.org] 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 4:21 AM
 To: Ziv Hendel
 Cc: Jochen Sprickerhof; Nobuhiro Iwamatsu; Debian Multimedia Maintainers
 Subject: Re: OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf in original Microsoft Word format?
 
 
 This is perfect, no problems.  I just added the .docx to the openni packaging 
 for openni 1.x, then for openni2, we can get it from the next release.
 
 .hc
 
 On 10/01/2013 09:54 AM, Ziv Hendel wrote:
 Yes it's exactly the same license. All of OpenNI is Apache v2.
 
 I've already checked it into our internal git, but I don't think we have any 
 plans to sync it with the public openni1 git anytime soon since we only work 
 on openni2.
 
 If we do update it again, it will get checked it... Is this a problem? 
 (If it is I'm sure we can figure something out)
 
 Zivo.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [mailto:h...@eds.org]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 4:45 PM
 To: Ziv Hendel
 Cc: Jochen Sprickerhof; Nobuhiro Iwamatsu; Debian Multimedia 
 Maintainers
 Subject: Re: OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf in original Microsoft Word format?
 
 
 Excellent!  The Debian gatekeepers will be happy.  Two quick questions:
 
 - is the license on this file the same as the PDF and the rest of the source 
 code in the OpenNI package?
 
 - can this docx file be checked into the OpenNI git alongside the PDF?
 
 .hc
 
 On Oct 1, 2013, at 3:18 AM, Ziv Hendel wrote:
 
 Hi Hans!
 
 I was finally able to find the original doc file :)
 
 Here it is...
 
 Is there anything else that's missing?
 
 Zivo.   
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [mailto:h...@eds.org]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:57 AM
 To: Ziv Hendel
 Subject: Re: OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf in original Microsoft Word format?
 
 
 Thanks!  The openni2 package is already in the works :)
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=707056
 
 .hc
 
 On 09/17/2013 05:00 PM, Ziv Hendel wrote:
 I'll try to find out who has this file :-)
 
 Are you also going to make a package for OpenNI 2?
 OpenNI1 is already pretty outdated...
 
 Zivo.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [mailto:h...@eds.org]
 Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:21 PM
 To: Ziv Hendel; z...@openni.org; Einat Kinamon; Debbie Gold Hadar
 Cc: Jochen Sprickerhof; Nobuhiro Iwamatsu; 
 pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org
 Subject: OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf in original Microsoft Word format?
 
 
 Hey,
 
 I have a small request: would it be possible to include the original 
 Microsoft Word document that 
 OpenNI/Documentation/OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf is generated from?  It 
 would be useful for people used to that format rather than PDFs, and 
 also the original format is a better source for converting to other 
 formats
 
 Lastly, the last blocker issue preventing openni from being officially 
 accepted into Debian and Ubuntu is the missing source file to 
 OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf.
 
 The authors of the original are listed as Einat Kinamon and Debbie Gold 
 Hadar.
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
 .hc
 
 OpenNI_UserGuide.docx
 


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Re: OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf in original Microsoft Word format?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Excellent!  The Debian gatekeepers will be happy.  Two quick questions:

- is the license on this file the same as the PDF and the rest of the source 
code in the OpenNI package?

- can this docx file be checked into the OpenNI git alongside the PDF?

.hc

On Oct 1, 2013, at 3:18 AM, Ziv Hendel wrote:

 Hi Hans!
 
 I was finally able to find the original doc file :)
 
 Here it is...
 
 Is there anything else that's missing?
 
 Zivo. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [mailto:h...@eds.org] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:57 AM
 To: Ziv Hendel
 Subject: Re: OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf in original Microsoft Word format?
 
 
 Thanks!  The openni2 package is already in the works :)
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=707056
 
 .hc
 
 On 09/17/2013 05:00 PM, Ziv Hendel wrote:
 I'll try to find out who has this file :-)
 
 Are you also going to make a package for OpenNI 2?
 OpenNI1 is already pretty outdated...
 
 Zivo.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [mailto:h...@eds.org] 
 Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:21 PM
 To: Ziv Hendel; z...@openni.org; Einat Kinamon; Debbie Gold Hadar
 Cc: Jochen Sprickerhof; Nobuhiro Iwamatsu; 
 pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org
 Subject: OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf in original Microsoft Word format?
 
 
 Hey,
 
 I have a small request: would it be possible to include the original 
 Microsoft Word document that OpenNI/Documentation/OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf is 
 generated from?  It would be useful for people used to that format rather 
 than PDFs, and also the original format is a better source for converting to 
 other formats
 
 Lastly, the last blocker issue preventing openni from being officially 
 accepted into Debian and Ubuntu is the missing source file to 
 OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf.
 
 The authors of the original are listed as Einat Kinamon and Debbie Gold 
 Hadar.
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
 .hc
 
 
 OpenNI_UserGuide.docx


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Re: OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf in original Microsoft Word format?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

This is perfect, no problems.  I just added the .docx to the openni packaging
for openni 1.x, then for openni2, we can get it from the next release.

.hc

On 10/01/2013 09:54 AM, Ziv Hendel wrote:
 Yes it's exactly the same license. All of OpenNI is Apache v2.

 I've already checked it into our internal git, but I don't think we have any 
 plans to sync it with the public openni1 git anytime soon since we only work 
 on openni2.

 If we do update it again, it will get checked it... Is this a problem? 
 (If it is I'm sure we can figure something out)

 Zivo.

 -Original Message-
 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [mailto:h...@eds.org] 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 4:45 PM
 To: Ziv Hendel
 Cc: Jochen Sprickerhof; Nobuhiro Iwamatsu; Debian Multimedia Maintainers
 Subject: Re: OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf in original Microsoft Word format?


 Excellent!  The Debian gatekeepers will be happy.  Two quick questions:

 - is the license on this file the same as the PDF and the rest of the source 
 code in the OpenNI package?

 - can this docx file be checked into the OpenNI git alongside the PDF?

 .hc

 On Oct 1, 2013, at 3:18 AM, Ziv Hendel wrote:

 Hi Hans!

 I was finally able to find the original doc file :)

 Here it is...

 Is there anything else that's missing?

 Zivo.

 -Original Message-
 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [mailto:h...@eds.org] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:57 AM
 To: Ziv Hendel
 Subject: Re: OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf in original Microsoft Word format?


 Thanks!  The openni2 package is already in the works :)
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=707056

 .hc

 On 09/17/2013 05:00 PM, Ziv Hendel wrote:
 I'll try to find out who has this file :-)

 Are you also going to make a package for OpenNI 2?
 OpenNI1 is already pretty outdated...

 Zivo.

 -Original Message-
 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [mailto:h...@eds.org] 
 Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:21 PM
 To: Ziv Hendel; z...@openni.org; Einat Kinamon; Debbie Gold Hadar
 Cc: Jochen Sprickerhof; Nobuhiro Iwamatsu; 
 pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org
 Subject: OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf in original Microsoft Word format?


 Hey,

 I have a small request: would it be possible to include the original 
 Microsoft Word document that OpenNI/Documentation/OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf is 
 generated from?  It would be useful for people used to that format rather 
 than PDFs, and also the original format is a better source for converting 
 to other formats

 Lastly, the last blocker issue preventing openni from being officially 
 accepted into Debian and Ubuntu is the missing source file to 
 OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf.

 The authors of the original are listed as Einat Kinamon and Debbie Gold 
 Hadar.

 Thanks in advance!

 .hc

 OpenNI_UserGuide.docx


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Re: updating OpenNI Debian packages

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 06/18/2013 09:56 PM, Thomas Moulard wrote:
 On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org wrote:
 On 05/20/2013 03:18 PM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 I just updated primesense-nite-nonfree to the latest version and updated the
 packaging.  I'm out of time on this sprint.  It would be great if people
 could test it and then also contribute any relevant things from the [1]
 above repo to it.  Its part of pkg-multimedia, so y'all should have commit
 access to it.

 http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/primesense-nite-nonfree.git
 Dear Hans-Christoph,
 it just occurred to me than primesense-nite-nonfree is depending on
 libopenni-dev [1]

 Depends: debconf | debconf-2.0, dpkg-dev, devscripts, wget, unzip,
 gnupg, libopenni-dev, openni-utils

 Should someone upload openni too? Is the package ready for inclusion?

 [1] http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/primesense-nite-nonfree_0.1.html

 Best,

I'm about to upload another attempt, after correcting some things.  Hopefully
it finally gets thru...

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getting openni2 into Debian

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hey Hauke,

I'm emailing you as part of the team working on the OpenNI packages for
Debian.  I'm glad to see you're work on openni2!
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=707056

In case you haven't seen it, the most up-to-date version of the 'openni'
package is here:
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/openni.git;a=summary

All of the other OpenNI-related packaged are part of the Debian pkg-multimedia
project, and the git repos are there:
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?a=project_listpf=pkg-multimedias=opennibtnS=Search

It would be great if you could also work out of a git repo hosted by the
pkg-multimedia team.  I can set up the repo, you just need to create an
account on Alioth, the Debian git host:
https://alioth.debian.org/account/register.php

then request to join the pkg-multimedia project here:
http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-multimedia

We can then work out the final details and upload openni2 to Debian!

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Re: openni_1.5.4.0-7_amd64.changes REJECTED

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 07/27/2013 09:00 AM, Luca Falavigna wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 * files under External are licensed under different terms than those listed in
   copyright file.
 * libopenni0 recommends libopenni-sensor-primesense0, which is not available
   in the archive

These are all fixed.


 * Documentation/OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf has no accompanying source code:
  $ pdfinfo OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf 
  Title:  Contents
  Author: Einat Kinamon;Debbie Gold Hadar
  Creator:Microsoft® Office Word 2007
  Producer:   Microsoft® Office Word 2007

Is the source required to be there in order for it to be included?  A PDF is a
binary format generated from other files, but it is also a file format that
can be read and edited by many free programs.

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OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf in original Microsoft Word format?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hey,

I have a small request: would it be possible to include the original Microsoft
Word document that OpenNI/Documentation/OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf is generated
from?  It would be useful for people used to that format rather than PDFs, and
also the original format is a better source for converting to other formats

Lastly, the last blocker issue preventing openni from being officially
accepted into Debian and Ubuntu is the missing source file to
OpenNI_UserGuide.pdf.

The authors of the original are listed as Einat Kinamon and Debbie Gold Hadar.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: updating OpenNI Debian packages

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 06/18/2013 09:56 PM, Thomas Moulard wrote:
 On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org wrote:
 On 05/20/2013 03:18 PM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 I just updated primesense-nite-nonfree to the latest version and updated the
 packaging.  I'm out of time on this sprint.  It would be great if people
 could test it and then also contribute any relevant things from the [1]
 above repo to it.  Its part of pkg-multimedia, so y'all should have commit
 access to it.

 http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/primesense-nite-nonfree.git
 Dear Hans-Christoph,
 it just occurred to me than primesense-nite-nonfree is depending on
 libopenni-dev [1]

 Depends: debconf | debconf-2.0, dpkg-dev, devscripts, wget, unzip,
 gnupg, libopenni-dev, openni-utils

 Should someone upload openni too? Is the package ready for inclusion?

 [1] http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/primesense-nite-nonfree_0.1.html

 Best,
The dependencies were uploaded and rejected.  Jochen has fixed the issues, and
I just need to find the time to upload the new versions.

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Re: updating OpenNI Debian packages

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 05/21/2013 09:13 AM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2013-05-20 16:06]:
 How about openni-sensor-avin2-sensorkinect?  Is that still relevant?
 
 No, it's all integrated into openni-sensor-primesense, so it's working
 with the original Primesense and the Kinect.
 
 Have any of these patches been submitted upstream?  Things like
 0013-Add-SONAME-to-libraries.patch should really be included upstream.
 
 I've send a mail to Ziv Hendel who seems to be responsible for the
 software. Not sure if he will include it, as the last release is a year
 old and there is OpenNI2 on the way. Btw. Hauke Wintjen is working on
 Debian packages of that one [1].

I briefly talked with them in the past, and outlined the SONAME stuff that
they needed to include.  I guess it never happened.  It'd save the packagers a
lot of work if this stuff can be included upstream, so its worth revisiting in
openni2


 I've just seen that I did it wrong with the openni-sensor-primesense.
 5.1.2.1-2 is still broken, so could you probably move it back to
 5.1.0.41? I'm really sorry for the trouble.

I've run out of time in this sprint, but don't fret.  We'll wait and see if
this goes thru, and take it from there.

.hc

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Re: updating OpenNI Debian packages

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 05/20/2013 03:18 PM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2013-05-20 14:44]:
 Ok, I uploaded openni-sensor-primesense and osceleton to Debian just now. 
 Awesome, thanks!

 What about primesense-nite-nonfree?  Is there an updated version of that? Is
 that still needed?
 I don't use it, so I haven't looked into packaging it. Still it would be
 great to have as it's used in ROS, for example. The sources to that
 version is at [1], but I guess the version in the Debian git is superior
 already. Would be great if someone could finish it.

 Cheers Jochen

 [1] http://kforge.ros.org/openni/drivers
I just updated primesense-nite-nonfree to the latest version and updated the
packaging.  I'm out of time on this sprint.  It would be great if people could
test it and then also contribute any relevant things from the [1] above repo
to it.  Its part of pkg-multimedia, so y'all should have commit access to it.

http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/primesense-nite-nonfree.git

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Re: updating OpenNI Debian packages

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 05/20/2013 12:51 PM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2013-05-20 12:49]:
 I just built openni-sensor-primesense and I got this lintian warning:

 W: libopenni-sensor-primesense1: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libXnCore1
 libXnDDK1 libXnDeviceFile1 libXnDeviceSensorV2-1 libXnFormats1

 I want to add a lintian override for this, so I want to document the
 rationale.  Are those libraries basically just serving like plugins to 
 openni?
 Right, they are registered in libopenni-sensor-primesense0.postinst and
 get loaded through dlopen.

Ok, I uploaded openni-sensor-primesense and osceleton to Debian just now. 
What about primesense-nite-nonfree?  Is there an updated version of that? Is
that still needed?

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Re: updating OpenNI Debian packages

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 05/20/2013 03:18 PM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
 * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2013-05-20 14:44]:
 Ok, I uploaded openni-sensor-primesense and osceleton to Debian just now. 
 Awesome, thanks!

 What about primesense-nite-nonfree?  Is there an updated version of that? Is
 that still needed?
 I don't use it, so I haven't looked into packaging it. Still it would be
 great to have as it's used in ROS, for example. The sources to that
 version is at [1], but I guess the version in the Debian git is superior
 already. Would be great if someone could finish it.

 Cheers Jochen

 [1] http://kforge.ros.org/openni/drivers

How about openni-sensor-avin2-sensorkinect?  Is that still relevant?

Have any of these patches been submitted upstream?  Things like
0013-Add-SONAME-to-libraries.patch should really be included upstream.

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Re: git-packaging workflows

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 04/06/2013 03:32 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Recently, Russ' blog post was echoed on http://planet.debian.org:
 
 http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2013-04/001.html
 
 In that post, he describes how to combine both the import tarball
 and the have upstream history available in the upstream packaging
 branch. AFAIUI, the heavy work is implemented in git-buildpackage's
 --upstream-vcs-tag tag option.
 
 While that option is news to me, I wonder if maybe anyone else already
 experiments with this? Does the team feel that making it mandatory for
 our package would be beneficial and appropriate?
 

It sounds very promising, but I think its too soon to mandate it.  I think
people should all try it and then report back on experience with it.  If no
one hits major hurdles, then mandate it.

I'm going to try my first package in this style:
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/python-qrcode.git

.hc

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Re: updating OpenNI Debian packages

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jul 2, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:

 * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2012-06-29 11:58]:
 Hey, 
 
 Hi Hans-Christoph,
 
 This is great news!  I'm also CCing the others who have contributed to the 
 current packages.  I have little time to work on the OpenNI stuff these 
 days, but I can support you working on it as much as possible.  And I'm a 
 Debian Developer, so I can sponsor and upload it once its ready.
 
 Great, I've been mailing with Stephen already to get this one into
 Debian finally. According to [1] there are still some things to sort
 out:
 - Did anyone mail upstream regarding the soname already?

I did email with them on the openni-dev list and they said they'd look into it, 
but I haven't checked back.  Here's my emails:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/openni-dev/GPwUZEueIPA/SoUCATOmVbQJ

http://openni-discussions.979934.n3.nabble.com/OpenNI-dev-packages-for-Mac-OS-X-Fink-and-Debian-Ubuntu-Mint-td3673546.html

 - I really like your way for fink to package both sensor drivers with
  proper names. At the moment we have avin2 imported as
  primesense-kinect-sensor should we change that?

Sounds good to me.


 [1] 
 http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-maintainers/2011-June/019178.html
 
 As for getting access to the git, I think the best route for now is if you 
 clone those repos and then post your work to sourceforge, github, or 
 whatever public git host.  Then I can review the stuff there and include it 
 into the official repo.
 
 Could you import the new upstream versions into the Debian git, so
 Stephen and me only have to provide small patches?
 
 Cheers Jochen

Yes, will do.

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Re: updating OpenNI Debian packages

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 07/02/2012 10:43 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 On Jul 2, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:

 * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2012-06-29 11:58]:
 Hey, 
 Hi Hans-Christoph,

 This is great news!  I'm also CCing the others who have contributed to the 
 current packages.  I have little time to work on the OpenNI stuff these 
 days, but I can support you working on it as much as possible.  And I'm a 
 Debian Developer, so I can sponsor and upload it once its ready.
 Great, I've been mailing with Stephen already to get this one into
 Debian finally. According to [1] there are still some things to sort
 out:
 - Did anyone mail upstream regarding the soname already?
 I did email with them on the openni-dev list and they said they'd look into 
 it, but I haven't checked back.  Here's my emails:

 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/openni-dev/GPwUZEueIPA/SoUCATOmVbQJ

 http://openni-discussions.979934.n3.nabble.com/OpenNI-dev-packages-for-Mac-OS-X-Fink-and-Debian-Ubuntu-Mint-td3673546.html

 - I really like your way for fink to package both sensor drivers with
  proper names. At the moment we have avin2 imported as
  primesense-kinect-sensor should we change that?
 Sounds good to me.


 [1] 
 http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-maintainers/2011-June/019178.html

 As for getting access to the git, I think the best route for now is if you 
 clone those repos and then post your work to sourceforge, github, or 
 whatever public git host.  Then I can review the stuff there and include it 
 into the official repo.
 Could you import the new upstream versions into the Debian git, so
 Stephen and me only have to provide small patches?

 Cheers Jochen
 Yes, will do.

Ok, I renamed the avin2 package and added the official sensor package:

http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/openni-sensor-avin2-sensorkinect.git
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/openni-sensor-primesense.git

I updated the 'pristine-tar' and 'upstream' branches on openni:
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/openni.git

I left primesense-nite-nonfree as is because as far as I know it doesn't
have an 'upstream' branch since it downloads the binary tarball.

Should be ready for people to hack on, let me know if I missed something.

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new DD on the team

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hey all,

I'm now officially a DD with upload privileges!  I just tried them out,
uploading two simple packages that I had sitting around ready to go. 
Thanks all for your help getting me there.

I have a little bit of time to do some uploads if there is anything
urgent that needs to make it into Wheezy before the freeze.

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Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful - redux

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On May 3, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 02:26:27PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
 I've drafted a message that I'd like to send to Christian publicly
 Cc:-ing this list. It is attached to this mail for review by the
 pkg-multimedia team. (Yes, I know this is a public list and Christian
 will likely read it before the review, but I don't particularly mind: it
 will just anticipate a public discussion we'd like to have anyhow.)
 
 I'd appreciate your feedback on it.
 
 I've now patched my first draft trying to take into account your
 feedback without changing the substance of the message I think we should
 send through. The new draft is attached.
 
 You're feedback is, again, very welcome.
 If you have no further changes to suggest or objections, I can send it
 this week-end.
 
 Either way, please let me know,
 Cheers.
 -- 
 Stefano Zacchiroli zack@{upsilon.cc,pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} . o .
 Maître de conférences   ..   http://upsilon.cc/zack   ..   . . o
 Debian Project Leader...   @zack on identi.ca   ...o o o
 « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club »
 
 From: Stefano Zacchiroli lea...@debian.org
 Date: May 3, 2012 9:22:49 AM EDT
 To: Christian Marillat maril...@debian.org, maril...@free.fr
 Cc: pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org
 Bcc: lea...@debian.org
 Subject: on package duplication between Debian and debian-multimedia
 
 
 Dear Christian,
  as you probably are aware of, there are recurring discussions on the
 package duplication between the official Debian archive and the
 debian-multimedia.org (d-m.o from now on) that you maintain.
 
 AFAIK, the Debian team in charge of maintaining multimedia packages
 (that I'm Cc:-ing) is not happy about the duplication and has approached
 you about that [1], providing some evidence of the troubles that it
 causes to them and to Debian users that also happen to use d-m.o. OTOH
 I'm sure you are maintaining d-m.o to provide a useful service to Debian
 users, when some of the packages you distribute are not available in
 Debian proper.
 
 [1] 
 http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-maintainers/2012-March/025498.html
 
 Personally, I think that principle is fine, but I'm worried about the
 duplication part. Not only due to the troubles that it might cause to
 users, but also for the apparent waste of maintenance energies. Energies
 that could be put into better use if you and the pkg-multimedia team
 could find a way to collaborate, and to do so contributing to the
 *official* Debian packaging of the concerned software.
 
 I have no specific opinion on the technical claims that d-m.o causes
 trouble to official Debian packages. That might be true or not. Ditto
 for your allegations of conflict of interest in the maintenance of
 ffmpeg or libav in Debian. But I observe that *in* Debian we do have
 mechanisms to solve that kind of issues, if and when they arise. As long
 as you keep on doing your work outside Debian instead of raising your
 concerns within Debian, we'll have to keep on assuming that what is
 being done in Debian is fine and is entitled to the official status that
 come with the name Debian.
 
 Thinking about it, I think we should choose one of the two possible way
 forward:
 
 1) You and the pkg-multimedia team reach an agreement on
   which-packages-belong-where. One way to settle would be that for
   every package that exist in the official Debian archive, the same
   package should not exist in d-m.o, unless it has a version that does
   not interfere with the official packages in standard Debian
   installations. Another way would be to rename packages and sonames.
 
   I understand that such agreements would give a sort of advantage to
   the pkg-multimedia people over d-m.o, but that seems to be warranted
   by the fact that they are doing the official packaging, while you're
   not.  If, as I hope, you could start doing your packaging work
   (wherever possible) within Debian as well, things would be different
   and we could consider solving potential technical conflicts in the
   usual Debian way.
 
 2) You stop using debian as part of the domain name of your
   repository, which is confusing for users (e.g. [2,3]). That would
   allow each part to keep on doing what they want in terms of
   packaging, but at least would remove any of the existings doubts
   about the official status of d-m.o.
 
   [2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=660924#20
   [3] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=668308#47
 
   I can imagine that would be a painful step for you to take, given the
   well established domain name. But it seems fair to ask you to do so
   if we couldn't manage to find an agreement between you and the
   official Debian packaging initiative of software you're maintaining
   in an unofficial repository.
 
 We could also consider various in-between solutions, such as adding
 

Re: Helping with Maintenance of Packages in Debian

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Apr 28, 2012, at 3:25 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote:

 On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:08 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:
 
 On Apr 26, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
 
 On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at 
 wrote:
  ffmpeg provides many things that
 libav does not.  For example, I have written an audio redaction plugin for
 ffmpeg.  Such a plugin is not possible in libav.
 
 Please elaborate. What makes this impossible. Maybe you can point to
 your plugin?
 
 From what I can tell, they improved the audio plugin API in ffmpeg 0.9 quite 
 a bit. When I was programming my plugin, I looked at both libav and ffmpeg.  
 It wasn't until I looked at ffmpeg 0.9 that it seemed feasible.  I attached 
 my plugin source code:
 
 Oh, you're talking about libavfilter. Well, so far there is not a
 single application in debian that uses it, so it clearly wasn't a
 priority for me. It is true that lavfi has more functionality in
 ffmpeg, espc. since stefano has implemented his audio filtering work
 only after the split. On the libav side, I'd suggest talking to anton
 about this. He is very open and helpful, so why don't you try to catch
 him on irc, show him the plugin source code and see if he can port it
 to libav's libavfilter?

There is indeed at least one application that does use libavfilter, and that is 
the ffmpeg command line tool.  I think that's how most people use the functions 
in libavfilter.

There are going to be differences between ffmpeg and there are going to solid 
reasons to use one or the other.  So it seems futile to me to ask the devs to 
make them the same thing when the devs just split up over that very issue.

I should add, since this came up in the discussion related to 
debian-multimedia.org, that this discussion about ffmpeg and libav should not 
be taken to mean that I am arguing against the proposals related to 
debian-multimedia.org.  I have also been burned by debian-multimedia.org 
package conflicts, and at the same time I think that the debian-multimedia.org 
packages are a valuable resource.  I think it is a good idea to make 
debian-multimedia.org more distinct from Debian itself, and also, it is a good 
idea to try to get as much of the debian-multimedia.org packages into Debian as 
possible.  So I support the DPL's statement on that specific topic.

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Re: Helping with Maintenance of Packages in Debian

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Apr 26, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Reinhard Tartler wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:
  ffmpeg provides many things that
 libav does not.  For example, I have written an audio redaction plugin for
 ffmpeg.  Such a plugin is not possible in libav.
 
 Please elaborate. What makes this impossible. Maybe you can point to
 your plugin?

From what I can tell, they improved the audio plugin API in ffmpeg 0.9 quite a 
bit. When I was programming my plugin, I looked at both libav and ffmpeg.  It 
wasn't until I looked at ffmpeg 0.9 that it seemed feasible.  I attached my 
plugin source code:



af_aredact.c
Description: Binary data


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Re: Helping with Maintenance of Packages in Debian

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Apr 27, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Fabian Greffrath wrote:

 Am 26.04.2012 18:18, schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:
 When I read statements like Uploading ffmpeg would be a bad idea, it
 seems to me that the Debian-multimedia team has taken sides on the
 ffmpeg-libav fork dispute. That is not a position that a Debian team
 should take. Both ffmpeg and libav remain valuable free software that
 people want to use. And if someone is willing to do the work, Debian
 and Debian Multimedia should welcome both ffmpeg and libav.
 
 I disagree and second Andres' statement that uploading ffmpeg into Debian 
 *now* in its current state is a bad idea. This is not because ffmpeg is bad 
 per se - it isn't - it's just that we decided to go the libav route. This 
 switch is not irrevocable, but so far no general problems have occured with 
 libav and I think it fits better to Debian's release model. There is simply 
 no pressing reason to switch back.

We do not disagree at all on this point.  I'm not saying that we should just 
upload ffmpeg as is, obviously it would be stupid to upload ffmpeg if it broke 
things. But we should welcome anyone who wants to do the work to make it 
possible to install libav and ffmpeg at the same time, or any other reasonable 
solution.  

And since this is a very political issue, we do need to speak carefully and 
clearly.  That's why I object to the statement Uploading ffmpeg would be a bad 
idea.  It is very broad, and wrong from some legitimate Debian-specific points 
of view.

 Furthermore, currently libav and ffmpeg share the same library name space 
 without being binary compatible - they are just not drop-in replacements for 
 each other. This is also the reason for most of the bug reports we receive 
 from users, who mixed up Debian packages built against libav with ffmpeg 
 libraries from d-m.o.

From what I know, this really seems to me a question for libav itself.  IMHO, 
it is a version of the code with a new name, so that seems that the burden 
falls on libav to do it.  And for the record, I have zero interest in getting 
involved in the politics, and I don't even want to know what happened to cause 
the libav fork.  I am just offering a Debian user's perspective on two pieces 
of valuable software that have some technical conflicts.

 If we would re-introduce ffmpeg into Debian now, alongside libav, we'd have 
 two choices. Either we get ffmpeg and libav binary-compatible and sustain 
 this compatibility for all subsequent releases. Or we can live with the 
 incompatibility, but then we sould have to rename the libraries of one of the 
 projects and have to build each and every depending package twice, once 
 against libav and once against ffmpeg - with appropriate package dependency 
 declarations and migration plans.
 
 Do you think any of these alternatives is worth the effort? I don't!

I'm specifically interested in the ffmpeg command line util, I don't really 
need all the libraries.  That wouldn't be hard to package.  As for libraries, 
how about putting the ffmpeg versions into /usr/include/ffmpeg and 
/usr/lib/ffmpeg?  Then if someone wants to build against them, they can add 
-I/usr/include/ffmpeg and -L/usr/lib/ffmpeg.  For most projects that use the 
libav* libraries, there probably wouldn't be any difference between using the 
ffmpeg or libav versions, so it would be silly to make all packages for both.

And of course, I'm not telling anyone that they should do the work here.  I am 
saying we should welcome anyone who wants to do it.  Oops, I guess I already 
said that ;)

.hc



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Re: openni debian package updates?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Ok, I've just had to dive deep into this stuff again, but sadly this time on 
Mac OS X.  The good news is that almost all of this experience will be easy to 
apply to the Debian packages.  Indeed, I was packaging for Fink which uses a 
lot of Debian tools and even .deb packages.  Here are the sources:

http://fink.cvs.sourceforge.net/fink/dists/10.4/stable/main/finkinfo/libs/openni.info?view=markup
http://fink.cvs.sourceforge.net/fink/dists/10.4/stable/main/finkinfo/libs/openni-sensor-primesense.info?view=markup
http://fink.cvs.sourceforge.net/fink/dists/10.4/stable/main/finkinfo/libs/openni-sensor-avin2-sensorkinect.info?view=markup
http://fink.cvs.sourceforge.net/fink/dists/10.4/stable/main/finkinfo/libs/primesense-nite.info?view=markup

One thing I did to is change the 'sensor' package names, I propose using these 
names:

openni-sensor-primesense.info (for OpenNI PrimeSense Sensor driver)
openni-sensor-avin2-sensorkinect (for avin2's SensorKinect fork)

If anyone can take on applying this stuff to the Debian packaging, I'll help 
out where I can.  If not, I'll try to get to it when I can.

.hc


On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Dan wrote:

 hi hans,
 
 I have had the latest unstable NITE middleware and openni working with avin2 
 sensor on kinect by hacking your packges but have not yet had a chance to 
 investigate howto automate the download process with the new website layout.
 
 They have also changed some of the paths and bits in the build process. Linux 
 vs linux-x86 paths etc. Not sure if anything i have is very useful atm.
 
 Maybe ill find a spare moment to investigate getting the midleware without a 
 browser at some point over the weekend and get it working.
 
 - Original message -
 
 I was just looking into the OpenNI/PrimeSense updates.   There are new
 source releases, and they've changed the URL and the binary layout of
 the NITE middleware.   Has anyone got this stuff working or made any
 recent updates on this?   It would be great if we could get the packages
 working again with the newest releases.
 
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Re: advocate for becoming DD

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Woo hoo!  Back on the road to becoming a DD, thanks Felipe!

.hc

On Jan 15, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

 I have just advocated you.
 
 
 Cheers
 
 On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 16:54, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:
 
 A month later and resounding silence, either everyone thinks I'm unworthy of 
 becoming a DD or ...?  Even a negative response would be better than silence 
 :)  I also asked on Debian-NYC, the crew that I worked with to put on 
 Debconf-NYC, and got the same silence, so I'm not really sure what to do 
 next.
 
 .hc
 
 On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 
 
 Hey all,
 
 Now that I've been a DM for at over 6 months, I'm thinking I'm ready to 
 take the final step and become a full DD.  Then not only will I no longer 
 need to bother y'all with my upload requests, but then I can also handle 
 the upload requests of others!  Here are the 34 packages I am one of the 
 maintainers on, plus the 9 that are in the works:
 
 http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=hans%40eds.org
 
 My name is registered in the system if you are ready to advocate:
 https://nm.debian.org/nmadvocate.php?email=hans%40eds.org
 
 .hc
 
 
 
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 deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity.   
  -John Gilmore
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, 
 which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to 
 himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession 
 of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- 
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Re: advocate for becoming DD

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

A month later and resounding silence, either everyone thinks I'm unworthy of 
becoming a DD or ...?  Even a negative response would be better than silence :) 
 I also asked on Debian-NYC, the crew that I worked with to put on Debconf-NYC, 
and got the same silence, so I'm not really sure what to do next.

.hc

On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

 
 Hey all,
 
 Now that I've been a DM for at over 6 months, I'm thinking I'm ready to take 
 the final step and become a full DD.  Then not only will I no longer need to 
 bother y'all with my upload requests, but then I can also handle the upload 
 requests of others!  Here are the 34 packages I am one of the maintainers on, 
 plus the 9 that are in the works:
 
 http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=hans%40eds.org
 
 My name is registered in the system if you are ready to advocate:
 https://nm.debian.org/nmadvocate.php?email=hans%40eds.org
 
 .hc
 
 
 
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 deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity. 
-John Gilmore
 
 





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property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an 
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Bug#649891: how does it work in 64-bit?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Thanks for the bug report and patch, I'm also upstream on this, so I can get it 
in there.  One question: I noticed that epsilon is 1e-9 as a float.  We're in 
the process of porting all Pd libraries to support a 64-bit t_float and 
t_sample.  The 'vbap' library is not there yet, but we hope to get it there.  
Does the value of epsilon need to be different when t_float is 64-bit double 
precision?  Is it possible to make eplison work for both t_float/t_sample as 
single and double precision?





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Re: Bug#654984: libav: Please use a less confusing package name

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jan 10, 2012, at 7:19 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote:

 Reinhard Tartler siretart at gmail.com writes:
 
 I'm not really convinced by 'avtools' and 'avutils', as both seem
 pretty generic to me. 'libav' was chosen to follow the name change of
 the project 'ffmpeg'-'libav'.
 
 To clarify:
 There was no name change, the FFmpeg project is active with no name change at
 http://ffmpeg.org
 libav is just one of several FFmpeg forks, all forks share several security
 issues and many known bugs and regressions not present in FFmpeg, see the 
 FFmpeg
 bug tracker for details
 
 Carl Eugen

How about we keep this fight out of Debian?  It seems clear that the place for 
libav bug reports would be the libav bug tracker.  It also seems clear libav is 
an ffmpeg fork, and ffmpeg is also alive as a project.  Its certainly not the 
first time such a thing has happened in the world of free software.

I think there should also be room for someone to package ffmpeg for Debian if 
they wanted to since it provides different things than libav.  I see no reason 
for Debian policy to dictate that ffmpeg not be allowed in Debian, please 
illuminate me if you believe otherwise.  I do fear that useful software (ffmpeg 
in this case) will be prevented from inclusion in Debian.

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Re: upload request: pd-mapping

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I should add, this was all bundled up for uploading, and I even dput'ed it, but 
it was rejected since DM-Upload-Allowed isn't set already.  I had tagged the 
release in git, but have deleted the tag for whomever might upload it.  Or I 
can tag it once its uploaded.

.hc

On Dec 30, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

 
 I am trying to get pd-hid into Debian/testing and also Ubuntu by getting
 it in before the Ubuntu Debian Import deadline.  This update of
 pd-mapping (0.2-2) is the last step, but I don't yet had upload
 priviledges for it.  Its all ready for upload, hopefully someone can
 upload it in the next day or two so it makes it into testing in time.
 
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upload request: pd-mapping

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I am trying to get pd-hid into Debian/testing and also Ubuntu by getting
it in before the Ubuntu Debian Import deadline.  This update of
pd-mapping (0.2-2) is the last step, but I don't yet had upload
priviledges for it.  Its all ready for upload, hopefully someone can
upload it in the next day or two so it makes it into testing in time.

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openni debian package updates?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I was just looking into the OpenNI/PrimeSense updates.  There are new source 
releases, and they've changed the URL and the binary layout of the NITE 
middleware.  Has anyone got this stuff working or made any recent updates on 
this?  It would be great if we could get the packages working again with the 
newest releases.

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advocate for becoming DD

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hey all,

Now that I've been a DM for at over 6 months, I'm thinking I'm ready to take 
the final step and become a full DD.  Then not only will I no longer need to 
bother y'all with my upload requests, but then I can also handle the upload 
requests of others!  Here are the 34 packages I am one of the maintainers on, 
plus the 9 that are in the works:

http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=hans%40eds.org

My name is registered in the system if you are ready to advocate:
https://nm.debian.org/nmadvocate.php?email=hans%40eds.org

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Re: request sponsor for / upload of pd-pdstring

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Nov 29, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

 On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 04:53, Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If time allows,
 
 Finally some time... :/
 
 could you also have a look at pd-pdstring? It's been
 waiting for some time and I have ironed out all issues that were
 discussed on this list.
 
 As discussed in another thread, the autotools stuff need not be
 documented in the copyright file, and is just unnecessary noise.
 
 
 BTW, I still find it weird that we need to issue weird commands in pd
 to load distro-provided externals. Can someone please explain to me
 the rationale for such a requirement?

Most programming languages do this:

Java: 
import java.io.File

Python:
import sys

C:
#include string.h

and so many more.

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Re: OpenNI packages in eighthave repo

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Daniel,

Looks like Eleanor found the answer.  So the thing to do is change the  
download URL in the script in that package.


.hc

On Oct 20, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Eleanor Blackmore wrote:

Looks like the real problem is that the download site has been  
changed, so

wget is retrieving a html doc.

I still had the 1.3.1.5 Nite Binary knocking about and hacked the  
update-
primesense-nite-nonfree script to use it instead, then it built  
a .deb which i

can install :)

On Wednesday 19 October 2011 12:17:03 you wrote:

That .deb is generated by the installing of openni-module-primesense-
nite-nonfree, it downloads the non-free binaries and makes a deb out
of it.  I'm on a 32-bit system, it works for me.  But I think the
author of that package is on 64-bit.

I cc'ed the pkg-multimedia team to see if anyone can help on 64-bit.
Can you post the whole log of your apt-get install session somewhere?

.hc

On Oct 19, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Daniel Squires wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to use the packages from your eighthave repo on Ubuntu
oneiric, I found the wiki at @

http://wiki.debian.org/PrimeSenseNite#Installation

But the .deb it refers to ( /var/cache/primesense-nite-nonfree/ 
openni-

module-primesense-nite-nonfree_1.3.1.5-1_i386.deb) does not exist on
my
system. It is an amd64 install and wonder if this is why?

The only file that does exist there is /var/cache/primesense-nite-
nonfree/primesense-nite.tar.gz which actually just seems to be an  
html

doc of the openni homepage!

indeed dpkg -L openni-module-primesense-nite-nonfree makes no
mention of
the .deb file.

Any help much appreciated.

Thanks

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Re: OpenNI packages in eighthave repo

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

If you can post a fix to this, I'll include it in the git repo and  
post some updated packages on launchpad.


.hc

On Oct 20, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Daniel Squires wrote:

Oops, Eleanor is my wife,I replied using her old email profile,  
sorry about

that.

I got it installing ok, now trying to work out why client apps wont  
work, just
gives me an error something like initfromxml failed and something  
to do with

usb. I don't have exact error to hand right now.

Thanks

Dan
On Thursday 20 October 2011 12:01:51 you wrote:

Daniel,

Looks like Eleanor found the answer.  So the thing to do is change  
the

download URL in the script in that package.

.hc

On Oct 20, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Eleanor Blackmore wrote:

Looks like the real problem is that the download site has been
changed, so
wget is retrieving a html doc.

I still had the 1.3.1.5 Nite Binary knocking about and hacked the
update-
primesense-nite-nonfree script to use it instead, then it built
a .deb which i
can install :)

On Wednesday 19 October 2011 12:17:03 you wrote:
That .deb is generated by the installing of openni-module- 
primesense-
nite-nonfree, it downloads the non-free binaries and makes a deb  
out

of it.  I'm on a 32-bit system, it works for me.  But I think the
author of that package is on 64-bit.

I cc'ed the pkg-multimedia team to see if anyone can help on 64- 
bit.
Can you post the whole log of your apt-get install session  
somewhere?


.hc

On Oct 19, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Daniel Squires wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to use the packages from your eighthave repo on Ubuntu
oneiric, I found the wiki at @

http://wiki.debian.org/PrimeSenseNite#Installation

But the .deb it refers to ( /var/cache/primesense-nite-nonfree/
openni-
module-primesense-nite-nonfree_1.3.1.5-1_i386.deb) does not  
exist on

my
system. It is an amd64 install and wonder if this is why?

The only file that does exist there is /var/cache/primesense-nite-
nonfree/primesense-nite.tar.gz which actually just seems to be an
html
doc of the openni homepage!

indeed dpkg -L openni-module-primesense-nite-nonfree makes no
mention of
the .deb file.

Any help much appreciated.

Thanks

Dan


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Re: OpenNI packages in eighthave repo

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

That .deb is generated by the installing of openni-module-primesense- 
nite-nonfree, it downloads the non-free binaries and makes a deb out  
of it.  I'm on a 32-bit system, it works for me.  But I think the  
author of that package is on 64-bit.


I cc'ed the pkg-multimedia team to see if anyone can help on 64-bit.   
Can you post the whole log of your apt-get install session somewhere?


.hc

On Oct 19, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Daniel Squires wrote:


Hi,

I am trying to use the packages from your eighthave repo on Ubuntu
oneiric, I found the wiki at @

http://wiki.debian.org/PrimeSenseNite#Installation

But the .deb it refers to ( /var/cache/primesense-nite-nonfree/openni-
module-primesense-nite-nonfree_1.3.1.5-1_i386.deb) does not exist on  
my

system. It is an amd64 install and wonder if this is why?

The only file that does exist there is /var/cache/primesense-nite-
nonfree/primesense-nite.tar.gz which actually just seems to be an html
doc of the openni homepage!

indeed dpkg -L openni-module-primesense-nite-nonfree makes no  
mention of

the .deb file.

Any help much appreciated.

Thanks

Dan
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Re: pd-hid caught in unstable, but why?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 10, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at  
wrote:


I was just checking in on my packages, it seems that pd-hid is  
caught in

unstable for 75 days, but I can't figure out what the issue is.  The
error message is Adding pd-hid makes 1 non-depending packages
uninstallable on kfreebsd-amd64: pd-hid 

http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pd- 
hid;expand=1


But what is that 1 non-depending package?  Is it 'puredata (0.43)'?
Other packages with that same Build-Depends are already in testing.


This looks fishy. You might want to ask on debian-release.



Yeah, it does.  pd-hid should only depend on Linux's input.h, libc,  
and puredata.  All of those are in kFreeBSD.  Thanks, I'll ask there.


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Re: pd-hid caught in unstable, but why?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

FYI, here's the answer from debian-release:

On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 22:01 +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
 On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 16:43 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
  I was just checking in on my packages, it seems that pd-hid is caught in
  unstable for 75 days, but I can't figure out what the issue is.  The
  error message is Adding pd-hid makes 1 non-depending packages
  uninstallable on kfreebsd-amd64: pd-hid 
  
  http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pd-hid;expand=1
  
  But what is that 1 non-depending package?  Is it 'puredata (0.43)'?
 
 No, it's pd-hid, as the message you quoted indicates.
 
  Other packages with that same Build-Depends are already in testing.   
  Also, buildd  seems to show it as installed on kFreeBSD:
 
 That only indicates it builds, not that it's installable.
 
 edos-debcheck is one method of demonstrating the issue:
 
 $ edos-debcheck -explain -checkonly pd-hid  Packages_kfreebsd-amd64 
 Completing conflicts...* 100.0%
 Conflicts and dependencies...  * 100.0%
 Solving* 100.0%
 pd-hid (= 0.7-1): FAILED
   pd-hid (= 0.7-1) depends on one of:
   - pd-mapping (= 0.2-1)
 
 $ edos-debcheck -explain -checkonly pd-mapping  Packages_kfreebsd-amd64 
 Completing conflicts...* 100.0%
 Conflicts and dependencies...  * 100.0%
 Solving* 100.0%
 pd-mapping (= 0.2-1): FAILED
   pd-mapping (= 0.2-1) depends on missing:
   - pd-cyclone
 
 $ dak ls pd-cyclone
 pd-cyclone | 0.1~alpha55-3 |   testing | source, amd64, armel, i386, 
 ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
 pd-cyclone | 0.1~alpha55-3 |  unstable | source, amd64, armel, i386, 
 ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
 
 Regards,
 
 Adam
 
 



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Re: pd-hid caught in unstable, but why?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:15 AM, Simon Wise wrote:


On 08/10/11 12:54, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


On Oct 7, 2011, at 11:48 PM, Simon Wise wrote:


On 07/10/11 23:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


I was just checking in on my packages, it seems that pd-hid is  
caught in

unstable for 75 days, but I can't figure out what the issue is. The
error message is Adding pd-hid makes 1 non-depending packages
uninstallable on kfreebsd-amd64: pd-hid 

http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pd-hid;expand=1

But what is that 1 non-depending package? Is it 'puredata  
(0.43)'?

Other packages with that same Build-Depends are already in testing.


The package is listed as pd-hid itself ... apparently it is not  
installable on

kfreebsd-amd64, that is what is keeping it out of testing


That's odd, because buildd seems to show it as installed on kFreeBSD:

https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=pd-hid


It says that moving pd-hid to testing prevents pd-hid from  
installing on testing in kfreebsd-amd64 [and maybe more  
architectures, only the first found is listed].


Since it IS installed on sid, is there something missing from  
testing, but present in sid, that pd-hid needs before it can be  
installed? something that is not listed as a dependency, but should  
be?


Simon


pd-hid was written in 2004-2005 and uses the Linux input.h.  It's had  
bug fixes since then, but no major changes.  I can't imagine what pd- 
hid would need that wouldn't be in oldstable, or sarge even.  Any  
ideas on how I can find details on what the issue is?


.hc



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pd-hid caught in unstable, but why?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I was just checking in on my packages, it seems that pd-hid is caught in
unstable for 75 days, but I can't figure out what the issue is.  The
error message is Adding pd-hid makes 1 non-depending packages
uninstallable on kfreebsd-amd64: pd-hid 

http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pd-hid;expand=1

But what is that 1 non-depending package?  Is it 'puredata (0.43)'?
Other packages with that same Build-Depends are already in testing.

.hc


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Re: where is Pd's -stdlib? (was Re: request sponsor/upload for pd-pdstring)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 4, 2011, at 5:19 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:


On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 13:06 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

On Oct 3, 2011, at 3:54 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:


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@pd-dev: in the course of making packages for debian, we discovered
another slight problem with the -stdpath and -stdlib flags for
declare (and probably this also expands to the -nostdpath startup
flag). following is an excerpt of the discussion in the debian
packaging
team:


On 2011-10-01 14:11, Roman Haefeli wrote:


On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 17:02 +0200, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:


i'm not entirely sure though (given the nastiness of [declare])
if you think that it is a bug in puredata-core, please file a
bugreport.


Yeah, that is indeed the case. Before filing a bug report, I'd like
to
clear up the meanings of the different paths.

/usr/lib/pd/extra
Am I right in assuming that this path is supposed to be searched by
all flavors of Pd (all packages that provide the virtual package
pd)?
This also the path where usually external libraries are installed  
to

because from there they can be loaded from any flavor of pd?

/usr/lib/puredata/extra
is only searched by puredata / pd from the puredata package?
This is where libraries are installed that only are suitable for
the pd provided by the puredata package?

/usr/lib/pd-extended/extra
is only searched by pdextended / pd from the pd-extended package?
Libs that are only useful with pdextended go there?

If that is the case, then there is definitely a bug in the  
puredata-

core
package as it is ignoring /usr/lib/pd/extra.


it might as well be a bug in puredata upstream (that's why i want to
discuss it; probably a more appropriate place for discussion is the
pd-dev mailinglist which i include in the recipients)

imho, the issue boils down to the question what are  
stdpaths? (and i

assume that stdlibs are std because they live in stdpaths).

for the sake of simplicity, i will only talk about the linux  
version

of Pd (and with Pd i mean Pd-vanilla)

before Pd-0.43 (vanilla!), there was only a single stdpath, which
was
the path were the Pd binaries lived in. this usually was
/usr/local/lib/pd/ or /usr/lib/pd/

since 0.43, a few more paths have been added, namely:
/usr/local/lib/pd-externals and ~/pd-externals
on Debian and derivatives, yet another path is added: since Pd is
installed into /usr/lib/puredata/ (in order to allow pd-extended  
live
side by side with puredata), the path /usr/lib/pd is also added  
as a

common system-managed search path.

now all these paths are handled separately from the user defined
search-paths; e.g. they do not show up in the path dialog, and they
can
be disabled with the -nostdpaths flag.

otoh, [declare] has not adapted to these changes.
if you add -stdpath extra/foo, it will only search in
/usr/local/lib/pd/extra/foo (given that pd is installed in
/usr/local/lib/pd), but it will not search in
/usr/local/lib/pd-externals/extra/foo nor in ~/pd-externals/extra/ 
foo.

(the same applies for the additional Debian-specific search path
/usr/lib/pd/extra/foo).
hence i do think that the problem is general problem with Pd-vanilla
(and not specific to Debian; it only shows here)


My guess is that [declare] should be adapted to consider as stdpath
the same stuff that -nostdpaths does.


I agree. I think that the various standard paths shouldn't be treated
differently. As a patch creator I don't care whether I installed the  
foo

library in ~/pd-externals or /usr/local/lib/pd/extra, in either case I
want to load a library the same way.

I believe it makes sense to distinguish only two different scopes  
here:


* system environment
   _all_ standard paths belong to it and the '-stdpath' and '-stdlib'
   flags of [declare] should expand all those paths, respectively try
   to load libraries from those paths.

* patch / local environment
   paths relative to the patch's location. The '-lib' and '-path'
   flags of [declare] cover those.

I can't come up with another meaningful scope. But if there is any,
probably new flags for [declare] would be necessary.


This also means, that currently all Pd libraries in unstable that
install to /usr/lib/pd/extra (most of them do) are currently
broken, as
there is no proper way to actually load them in pd (you still can
specify the absolute path to the library, which renders your patch
unportable to other OS').


you could also simply start Pd with -lib foo and it will just  
work.

so i wouldn't consider all broken.
obviously, we lack the possibility to express a library dependency
within the patch, which is a shame (but which is also due to the
current
broken implementation of [declare] in general).


anyhow, what i'm mainly asking is, whether std prefixed declare
options and the std prefixed cmdline flags are supposed to work on
the
same standard. if so, does this mean to be exclusive (e.g. only  
have

the Pd install path) or inclusive (additionally have
/usr/local/lib/pd

Re: request sponsor/upload for pd-pdstring

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I find that Launchpad is a good place to test new packages.  I think  
you have a launchpad account already, so it should be easy.  I always  
upload my packages to my launchpad before submitting them for upload  
to Debian.  So far, I haven't remembered how to use cowbuilder or  
pbuilder... an uploading to launchpad has stuck.


.hc

On Oct 1, 2011, at 8:11 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:


Hi again

There was some confusion on my part, since I seem to have tested it  
only

in Debian stable where everything works as expected. The puredata
package in Debian unstable is quite different from previous versions  
and

also is its behavior.

On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 17:02 +0200, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

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On 09/30/2011 04:19 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:

On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 13:24 +0200, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

debian/control:
any reason why you are so picky about the debhelper version?


I'm using short-form dh with dh overrides. Lintian tells me that  
those

features are only available since 7.0.50. I read the thread about


thanks for the explanation.




debian/README.Debian
quite a long line :-)
more important, i cannot load pdstring following your advice in
README.Debian: [declare -stdlib extra/pdstring] will do nothing (on
reload), only [declare -lib pdstring] helps


How did you test? The '-lib' flag searches relative to your patch,
whereas '-stdlib' searches relative to pd. You only can correctly  
test

it by effectively installing the package and run pd (/usr/bin/pd).


my test is to open the attached abstraction with
$ puredata -noprefs pdstring-test.pd
which gives me:
snip
any2string
error: ... couldn't create
/snip

puredata (the 0.43.0-4) finds neither the library nor the  
abstraction of

the name any2string.

the former can be a bug in your documentation (i have to admit that  
i'm

not so familiar with [declare]), as it would look for a library
extra/pdstring where the pdstring.pd_linux file really is
extra/pdstring/pdstring.pd_linux, so it should probably read -stdlib
extra/pdstring/pdstring.


'-stdlib extra/pdstring/pdstring' is supposed to work as well but  
should

not be necessary at all. Pd normally checks also folders with the lib
name for libs. When specifying mylib, both extra/mylib.pd_linux and
extra/mylib/mylib.pd_linux are searched.


However, it turned out, that the advice was not complete, since the
library also contains abstractions, which are not found with only
'-stdlib extra/pdstring'. The full and correct declaration is:

[declare -stdlib extra/pdstring -stdpath extra/pdstring]

Yeah, that's a lot for loading only a library, but unfortunately  
that is

how it currently works in Pd.


after closer inspection it seems like this _might_ be a bug in the
puredata package, which seems only to consider /usr/lib/ 
puredata/ as

a stdpath, and it won't search extra/pdstring in /usr/lib/pd.

i'm not entirely sure though (given the nastiness of [declare])
if you think that it is a bug in puredata-core, please file a  
bugreport.


Yeah, that is indeed the case. Before filing a bug report, I'd like to
clear up the meanings of the different paths.

/usr/lib/pd/extra
 Am I right in assuming that this path is supposed to be searched by
 all flavors of Pd (all packages that provide the virtual package pd)?
 This also the path where usually external libraries are installed to
 because from there they can be loaded from any flavor of pd?

/usr/lib/puredata/extra
 is only searched by puredata / pd from the puredata package?
 This is where libraries are installed that only are suitable for
 the pd provided by the puredata package?

/usr/lib/pd-extended/extra
 is only searched by pdextended / pd from the pd-extended package?
 Libs that are only useful with pdextended go there?

If that is the case, then there is definitely a bug in the puredata- 
core

package as it is ignoring /usr/lib/pd/extra.

This also means, that currently all Pd libraries in unstable that
install to /usr/lib/pd/extra (most of them do) are currently broken,  
as

there is no proper way to actually load them in pd (you still can
specify the absolute path to the library, which renders your patch
unportable to other OS').

Roman






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Bug#638239: pd-mjlib: FTBFS on hurd kfreebsd

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

This is fixed upstream already in most of these, and will be soon in  
the rest.  Its less than half of the pd-* packages that are effected,  
according to buildd.  The list of affected packages is:


pd-bsaylor pd-cxc pd-cyclone pd-ekext pd-ext13 pd-ggee pd-hcs pd- 
markex pd-maxlib pd-mjlib pd-moonlib pd-pddp pd-sigpack pd-smlib pd- 
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Re: please upload pd-osc

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

One important upstream detail is that the lib is called 'osc', the  
folder in SVN is called 'osc', the package is called 'pd-osc',  
therefore the OSC-meta.pd needs to be osc-meta.pd to match the library  
and package name.  That change is already in the upstream SVN.


Also, it'd be good to get a release signed-off by Martin Peach, the  
upstream author, and to make the release tarball that you posted also  
match the other names, i.e. osc-0.1.tar.gz rather than OSC-0.1.tar.gz.


.hc

On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:21 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:


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dear fellow pkgers,

after debconf i finally found the time to package one of my  
longstanding

ITPs (before it finally expires!): pd-osc

pd-osc is a puredata library adding Open Sound Control (OSC)
capabilities (at the application layer (OSI-7)) to Pd.
It allows one to construct and parse OSC messages within Pd.  It
includes support for ordinary OSC-messages, typetags, timetags and
bundles. These objects are transport-agnostic, so you can use them to
transmit OSC over UDP, TCP/IP, serial port, or in fact whatever you
want.  However, you will have to install additional libraries that  
will

handle the transport layer (like pd-iemnet or pd-comport). [1]

the package can be found at:
git+ssh://git.debian.org/pkg-multimedia/pd-osc
http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/pd-osc.git

it appears to be lintian clean (there is a single Pedantic warning,
about a missing upstream changelog).
it builds cleanly in my pbuilder environment.

this package uses CDBS (ping jonas!)

i would be glad if somebody could review the package and throw some
comments at me.
if there is somebody willing to upload the package, that would be even
nicer :-)


@jonas: i shamelessly copied a README.source written by you, which i
found in the scenic package. it has no built-in copyright notice,  
so i

assumed it is GPL-3+; could you please confirm that?



fmgasdr
IOhannes



[1] that's what it says in debian/control
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Re: lame_3.98.4+repack2-1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into unstable

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Romain Beauxis wrote:


2011/7/29 Debian FTP Masters ftpmas...@ftp-master.debian.org:

Accepted:
lame-doc_3.98.4+repack2-1_all.deb
 to main/l/lame/lame-doc_3.98.4+repack2-1_all.deb

(...)

Guys,

I am impressed, really impressed...

Thanks you all!

Romain



Yay!  Good work!  I'm going to package a pd lib that depends on LAME  
now :)


.hc




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Re: pd-pmpd bugfix: request for upload

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:38 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:16, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
h...@at.or.at wrote:


There is one more package with the same fatal error: m_pd.h: No  
such file

or directory (missing B-D on puredata-dev) bug that needs uploading:
pd-pmpd.  The changes are all in git and its ready to go.


Uploaded.

Hans, please fix the dependencies on pd and explicitly state the
preferred provider (on this and the other pd-* packages).



In the near future, I plan on packaging pdextended, which will also  
provide pd.  If I put the Depends: as 'puredata | pd', and pdextended  
is already installed, won't apt try to install puredata also?  That's  
what I want to avoid.  People should be able to choose puredata or  
pdextended, then all of the pd-* packages that Depend: on pd should be  
happy with either.


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Re: request for sponsorship for pd-hid

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jul 20, 2011, at 11:07 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 23:50, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
h...@at.or.at wrote:


On Jun 14, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:



On Jun 13, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 14:43, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at 


wrote:


On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 22:15, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at 


wrote:


On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 19:30 +, Felipe Sateler wrote:


On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 02:45, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at 


wrote:


On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:41 -0300, Felipe Sateler
fsate...@debian.org
wrote:


On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 21:55, Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org 


wrote:


On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 19:08, Felipe Sateler
fsate...@debian.org
wrote:


On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 03:37, Hans-Christoph Steiner
h...@at.or.at wrote:


On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:37 -0800, Hans-Christoph Steiner
h...@at.or.at wrote:


On Dec 24, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Felipe Sateler wrote:


On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 21:13, Hans-Christoph Steiner
h...@at.or.at wrote:


Just ITPed, packaged and uploaded pd-hid to  
git.debian.org.

 It
is an
object for Pure Data that allows you to use USB HID  
devices

in
Pd.
The
build system is similar in structure to pd-plugin and
pd-freeverb,
plus
it includes the kFreeBSD and Hurd updates, so it  
should build

on
all
platforms.  It depends on pd-mapping and recommends  
pd-pddp,

which
are
both in NEW.

http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/pd-hid.git;a=summary


There is some code that is not yours, please add Jan
Truetzschler
Falkenstein to the debian/copyright file (ftpmaster  
may reject

the
package for this missing information).



Thanks for spotting that, I pushed the fix.


Ping.  Anyone willing to sponsor this one?


Sorry, I lost track of this. I will try to get to this  
(and your

other
packages) during the weekend.


I clearly didn't do this when promised, and this week I  
couldn't
either. I've been extremely busy. I'm sorry about that. If  
someone
else can look into these packages, please upload them,  
since I'm

not
likely to get any debian time anytime soon.

I will, if nobody else gets to these packages, still  
review them

as
time permits.


It seems that this package never got uploaded.   It needs its
git-dch
done and the changelog finalized and then uploaded.  I can  
finalize

the
changelog if that makes it easier.  It seems some people  
want to do

it
themselves when uploading.


I believe this package needs to be fixed for puredata = 0.43


As far as I can tell it has already.  For me, it builds on
Debian/testing using puredata-dev and no puredata, and squeeze  
using

puredata 0.42.6.


Indeed, it seems to work.

I have a licensing question though. The package is distributed as
GPLv3+. However, Supercollider (where some code was borrowed) is
GPLv2+. I think debian/copyright should document that fact.  
Code from

2004 cannot possibly be under GPLv3+ unless relicensed.


The GPLv2+ license has that built into it.  In the context of this
project,
the code from SuperCollider is so intermingled, there is no easily
recognizable chunk that could be labeled GPLv2+.  Since the  
project is
GPLv3+, I think it would be misleading to try to say that a file  
is
available under GPLv2+.  If people want the GPLv2+ file, they  
should go

to
the original SuperCollider source.

Here's the text from the GPL:

Each version is given a distinguishing version number.  If the  
Program
specifies that a certain numbered version of the GNU General  
Public

License
or any later version applies to it, you have the option of  
following

the
terms and conditions either of that numbered version or of any  
later

version
published by the Free Software Foundation. 



Indeed, I'm not questioning that. My point is that the objective of
debian/copyright is documenting, not relicensing, even if it is
permissible.


From what I've seen, debian/copyright is not finer grained than  
files.
 The GPLv2+ code is mixed into two different files that are mostly  
GPLv3+.

 So if looking on a per-file basis, all of the files are GPLv3+.

.hc



Hey Felipe,

Any chance of getting this one uploaded in the next week?  I'd love  
to make

the Ubuntu/oneiric import deadline.

.hc


Sorry I'm late. Uploaded.



All that matters is that it got done, thanks :)

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primesense-nite-nonfree should install resulting package?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

With the primesense-nite-nonfree, it downloads the binary and  
generates the openni-module-primesense-nite-nonfree_1.3.1.5-1_i386.deb  
package but it doesn't install it afterwards.  It seems to me that it  
should install it automatically, since that's the only purpose of  
installing primesense-nite-nonfree.


How does that sound?

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Re: OpenNi in Debian

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jun 19, 2011, at 4:00 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote:


On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 09:05:46 (CEST), Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:

According to the git-buildpackage documentation [1] the upstream- 
branch

can either be imported or a branch you can pull from. So generating
tarballs from a git and then importing them into git again seems to  
be
superfluous and makes the upstream branch hard to track. But if it  
works

for you, I'm fine with it.


That's the price of the overhead of team work. As a team, we want to  
use
the same workflow on all packages. Since not all upstreams maintain  
the

sources in git, we need to come down to the lowest common denominator,
which boils down to importing tarballs.



The other side of it is that the upstream git repos are a mess.  The  
PrimeSense repo is not used for development, and has a quite unusual  
structure.  It looks like to me they are just importing releases and  
not doing any development out of that git, plus they are using the two  
branches as separate repos, one called 'master' which is the stable  
releases, and the other called 'unstable'.  As code is pushed to the  
stable releases, it is not merged from the 'unstable' branch into  
master.


Then it looks like the avin2 fork is a new reconstruction of the git  
repo to be more git-like, but then that doesn't follow the original  
git.  But I think if I was avin2, I'd do the same.


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Re: openni package for Debian

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jun 1, 2011, at 6:57 AM, Cosimo Alfarano wrote:


On 31/05/11 03:49, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ah, cool, so we have an uploader :)  I'm just a DM.  I'm not sure  
about

Cosimo.


I'm a DD.

BTW, update to the pkgs status:

I tried yesterday the three repos, they worked.
I just pushed a couple of patches to fix small (but necessary) things.

I just realized that we need to fix the .ini file for Kinect, I had to
change InputFormat=1 which was commented, to make it work.

Also, udev rules, does anybody know if we need OWNER=root or it  
can be

xxx as set by upstream?

Next steps:

- Enable Mono in openni so that it can be re-enabled in NITE.
 - the Makefile for NITE  OpenNI relies on the presence of the mono
   exec to compile mono, which means that in a chroot env it compiles
   without problems, but when build outside in an env which has mono
   installed it will fail.

   The reason of the failure is that the upstream install.sh script do
   not detach the build from the (post) installation process.
   As per my mono understanding (noob) we need to compile GAC in
   postinst, while create the DLL at build time. Until we split this
   behaviour (should be easy) we cannot build mono package and both
   openni and NITE are inherently broken.


It would be nice to have the Mono stuff working, but I don't think it  
should be a blocker on getting the package uploaded.  So far, most of  
the useful stuff I've seen done with openni has not involved Mono/.NET/ 
C#.



- Re-enable quilt, so that we can patch the Samples to be able to find
 their XML in a different location than ../../../../Data, and
 package it as openni-samples, the same for nite and kinect IIRC.

- Fix all the lintian complaints and the .ini :)


I fixed the man page complaints, tho the man pages I just made could  
definitely improved a lot.


.hc


- Fix the SONAME and .so versioning issue, it depends on the email I
 still have to send to upstream about their build system :)
 So far this is not a real problem, until we'll have more than one
 version we need to be able to link at the same time.

After that we might be able to consider an upload to unstable, IMHO.

cheers,
C.

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Re: OpenNi in Debian

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jun 19, 2011, at 3:05 AM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:


* Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2011-06-19 00:07]:


On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 03:07 +0200, Jochen Sprickerhof
joc...@sprickerhof.de wrote:

* Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2011-06-07 18:47]:


On Jun 7, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:


* Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2011-06-06 13:05]:


I have not been in contact with avin.  Is Bayer images support
something that is in the original from PrimeSense, or something  
that

you want added?  If the idea is to maintain new features in the
package, I think that should probably be done in a separate git  
repo
to keep the development and the packaging separately.  If you  
want
to maintain a fork of the primesense/sensor repo, we could base  
the

package off of that for now.


it's something we have added. Should we put it on github and  
merge it

with the avin2 branch?



That works for me.


Here it is: https://github.com/ros-pkg-git/Sensor/tree/master.  
It's not
based on the avin2 branch (as they are not really based to the  
official
OpenNI once), let me know if you that's ok for you. By the way,  
why is

the Debian git not connected to the github one? I mean this one:
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/primesense-kinect-sensor.git


These packages are packaged using standard Debian git-buildpackage
style.  That means that the upstream code is imported from release
tarballs, and the git master branch is all about the debian  
packaging.

That's why this repo is not a fork of the upstream repo.


According to the git-buildpackage documentation [1] the upstream- 
branch

can either be imported or a branch you can pull from. So generating
tarballs from a git and then importing them into git again seems to be
superfluous and makes the upstream branch hard to track. But if it  
works

for you, I'm fine with it.

So if we decide to make primesense-kinect-sensor based off of your  
git

fork, then a release tarball would need to be imported using
git-import-orig. I'm thinking perhaps its a better idea if you make a
separate package of your fork.  I used the avin2 fork rather than the
offical repo for this package because it seems that the official  
sources

don't fully work.  It should be really easy to create a ros package
since the code is so close.  It could be something like
primesense-kinect-sensor-ros or whatever.


This has nothing to do with ROS (apart from that it's living in their
repository. I'm one of the authors of PCL [2] where we use the  
features

of my version. As there is a ITP [3] for it, it would be nice if the
package would include it, so the OpenNI part of PCL would work as  
well,

once it's packages.
Regarding the base for the package I'm fine with the avin2 fork, as  
long

as we can put the Bayer patches from my branch inside debian/patches,
but for me it would almost make more sense to base it of the OpenNI
branch (as this is the official version) and put the avin2 patches in
debian/patches as well.


[1] /usr/share/doc/git-buildpackage/manual-html/ 
gbp.intro.html#GBP.REPOSITORY

[2] http://pointclouds.org
[3] http://bugs.debian.org/624178


Sounds to me like you are much deeper in this code than I am, so I  
would defer to you on that topic :)  I'm mostly am thinking of the  
long term policy for this package, and what makes sense for the code  
that's out there.  So I don't have strong opinions on how it shaped  
for the most part.  My guess is that the package should try to stick  
to the primesense code as much as possible, as long as they are  
accepting patches so that their codebase is usable for Debian.  So  
yes, all changes as patches in debian/patches makes sense to me.


I've mostly achieved my goal, which was making it really easy to use  
skeleton tracking with other media software, but I'm happy to stay  
involved as much as I am useful.  I'm about to have a baby, so I'll  
probably be not around for a while, so don't worry about waiting on me  
to get stuff done.



Speaking of it, did you see the Fedora patches
over there [4]?
[4] https://github.com/OpenNI/OpenNI/pull/10]



That looks very useful, I hope they accept it.

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handling udev for primesense-kinect-sensor

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I was just looking at the udev stuff in primesense-kinect-sensor.  It
seems to me that we should probably ignore their 55-primesense-usb.rules
file and do it the proper Debian way.  Nobuhiro, I see you are a
maintainer on bluez, which installs udev rules.  Do you think you could
set up the proper Debian style udev handling in
primesense-kinect-sensor?  I've never packaged udev stuff before.  But
basically, there .rules file is simple, uses deprecated contructs, and
has the user set as 'xxx', and the perms set as 666.  So there isn't
much there to build on, it seems it should just be replaced.

I guess the proper way to do this is to have a standard group that is
used to give permissions to read/write to the sensor device, then use
that.

You can find the upstream file in the source here:
Platform/Linux-x86/Install/55-primesense-usb.rules

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Re: OpenNi in Debian

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 03:07 +0200, Jochen Sprickerhof
joc...@sprickerhof.de wrote:
 * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2011-06-07 18:47]:
  
  On Jun 7, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
  
  * Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org [2011-06-06 13:05]:
  
  I have not been in contact with avin.  Is Bayer images support
  something that is in the original from PrimeSense, or something that
  you want added?  If the idea is to maintain new features in the
  package, I think that should probably be done in a separate git repo
  to keep the development and the packaging separately.  If you want
  to maintain a fork of the primesense/sensor repo, we could base the
  package off of that for now.
  
  it's something we have added. Should we put it on github and merge it
  with the avin2 branch?
  
  
  That works for me.
 
 Here it is: https://github.com/ros-pkg-git/Sensor/tree/master. It's not
 based on the avin2 branch (as they are not really based to the official
 OpenNI once), let me know if you that's ok for you. By the way, why is
 the Debian git not connected to the github one? I mean this one:
 http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/primesense-kinect-sensor.git

These packages are packaged using standard Debian git-buildpackage
style.  That means that the upstream code is imported from release
tarballs, and the git master branch is all about the debian packaging. 
That's why this repo is not a fork of the upstream repo.

So if we decide to make primesense-kinect-sensor based off of your git
fork, then a release tarball would need to be imported using
git-import-orig. I'm thinking perhaps its a better idea if you make a
separate package of your fork.  I used the avin2 fork rather than the
offical repo for this package because it seems that the official sources
don't fully work.  It should be really easy to create a ros package
since the code is so close.  It could be something like
primesense-kinect-sensor-ros or whatever. 

.hc

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Re: request for sponsorship for pd-hid

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jun 13, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 14:43, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
h...@at.or.at wrote:


On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 22:15, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
h...@at.or.at

wrote:


On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 19:30 +, Felipe Sateler wrote:


On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 02:45, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at 


wrote:


On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:41 -0300, Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org 


wrote:


On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 21:55, Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org 


wrote:


On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 19:08, Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org 


wrote:


On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 03:37, Hans-Christoph Steiner
h...@at.or.at wrote:


On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:37 -0800, Hans-Christoph Steiner
h...@at.or.at wrote:


On Dec 24, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Felipe Sateler wrote:


On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 21:13, Hans-Christoph Steiner
h...@at.or.at wrote:


Just ITPed, packaged and uploaded pd-hid to  
git.debian.org.  It

is an
object for Pure Data that allows you to use USB HID  
devices in

Pd.
The
build system is similar in structure to pd-plugin and
pd-freeverb,
plus
it includes the kFreeBSD and Hurd updates, so it should  
build on

all
platforms.  It depends on pd-mapping and recommends pd- 
pddp,

which
are
both in NEW.

http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/pd-hid.git;a=summary


There is some code that is not yours, please add Jan  
Truetzschler
Falkenstein to the debian/copyright file (ftpmaster may  
reject

the
package for this missing information).



Thanks for spotting that, I pushed the fix.


Ping.  Anyone willing to sponsor this one?


Sorry, I lost track of this. I will try to get to this (and  
your

other
packages) during the weekend.


I clearly didn't do this when promised, and this week I  
couldn't
either. I've been extremely busy. I'm sorry about that. If  
someone
else can look into these packages, please upload them, since  
I'm not

likely to get any debian time anytime soon.

I will, if nobody else gets to these packages, still review  
them as

time permits.


It seems that this package never got uploaded.   It needs its  
git-dch
done and the changelog finalized and then uploaded.  I can  
finalize the
changelog if that makes it easier.  It seems some people want  
to do it

themselves when uploading.


I believe this package needs to be fixed for puredata = 0.43


As far as I can tell it has already.  For me, it builds on
Debian/testing using puredata-dev and no puredata, and squeeze  
using

puredata 0.42.6.


Indeed, it seems to work.

I have a licensing question though. The package is distributed as
GPLv3+. However, Supercollider (where some code was borrowed) is
GPLv2+. I think debian/copyright should document that fact. Code  
from

2004 cannot possibly be under GPLv3+ unless relicensed.


The GPLv2+ license has that built into it.  In the context of this  
project,

the code from SuperCollider is so intermingled, there is no easily
recognizable chunk that could be labeled GPLv2+.  Since the project  
is

GPLv3+, I think it would be misleading to try to say that a file is
available under GPLv2+.  If people want the GPLv2+ file, they  
should go to

the original SuperCollider source.

Here's the text from the GPL:

Each version is given a distinguishing version number.  If the  
Program
specifies that a certain numbered version of the GNU General Public  
License
or any later version applies to it, you have the option of  
following the
terms and conditions either of that numbered version or of any  
later version

published by the Free Software Foundation. 



Indeed, I'm not questioning that. My point is that the objective of
debian/copyright is documenting, not relicensing, even if it is
permissible.


From what I've seen, debian/copyright is not finer grained than  
files.  The GPLv2+ code is mixed into two different files that are  
mostly GPLv3+.  So if looking on a per-file basis, all of the files  
are GPLv3+.


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Re: please upload: puredata-import

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jun 13, 2011, at 8:24 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 15:06, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
h...@at.or.at wrote:


On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 22:05, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
h...@at.or.at

wrote:


On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 19:18 +, Felipe Sateler wrote:


I'm confused. You make a change for puredata = 0.43. Does this  
break
puredata 0.43? The Depends field suggests that (puredata-core  
is non
existent until 0.43). If so, the build-depends on puredata   
0.43 is

wrong.


puredata  0.43 provides everything, headers, app, gui, doc,  
etc.  With
0.43, the headers are in puredata-dev and puredata is a meta  
package

that installs everything.  I wanted to avoid having the package
Build-Depend on the whole suite of packages, that's why I added the
0.43.  Plus in the future, puredata might no longer also install
puredata-dev.


Also, doesn't 0.43 bring in the required headers? I think the
add_required_headers patch can be removed.


Yes, the puredata-dev 0.43 package does provide those headers,  
but I
wanted to leave in the patch for now to aid backporting and let  
the dust
settle on the big changes that happened with the puredata package  
being

split into puredata-gui, puredata-dev, puredata-core, etc.


The package won't work unmodified anyways, since it Depends on
puredata-core, which doesn't exist until 0.43. So strictly speaking
the aid for backporting is incomplete (also, it installs into a
different dir, so that would need to be changed too).

I suggest just dropping the  0.43 option, since it misleads into
thinking it could actually work unchanged with 0.42.


Please update the changelog. I have reviewed this and will upload
tomorrow afternoon (GMT-4, so probably past midnight in europe).



Ok, makes sense, I removed the  0.43 and pushed.


Offering puredata as an option is wrong too (it still allows 0.42)



Yes, good point.  I also now realized that a backport would also mean  
changing the installed folder, since the puredata 0.43 package suite  
installs into /usr/lib/puredata now, while puredata 0.42 installed  
into /usr/lib/pd


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Re: please upload: puredata-import

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 13:30 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 On Jun 13, 2011, at 8:24 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
 
  On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 15:06, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
  h...@at.or.at wrote:
 
  On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
 
  On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 22:05, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
  h...@at.or.at
  wrote:
 
  On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 19:18 +, Felipe Sateler wrote:
 
  I'm confused. You make a change for puredata = 0.43. Does this  
  break
  puredata 0.43? The Depends field suggests that (puredata-core  
  is non
  existent until 0.43). If so, the build-depends on puredata   
  0.43 is
  wrong.
 
  puredata  0.43 provides everything, headers, app, gui, doc,  
  etc.  With
  0.43, the headers are in puredata-dev and puredata is a meta  
  package
  that installs everything.  I wanted to avoid having the package
  Build-Depend on the whole suite of packages, that's why I added the
  0.43.  Plus in the future, puredata might no longer also install
  puredata-dev.
 
  Also, doesn't 0.43 bring in the required headers? I think the
  add_required_headers patch can be removed.
 
  Yes, the puredata-dev 0.43 package does provide those headers,  
  but I
  wanted to leave in the patch for now to aid backporting and let  
  the dust
  settle on the big changes that happened with the puredata package  
  being
  split into puredata-gui, puredata-dev, puredata-core, etc.
 
  The package won't work unmodified anyways, since it Depends on
  puredata-core, which doesn't exist until 0.43. So strictly speaking
  the aid for backporting is incomplete (also, it installs into a
  different dir, so that would need to be changed too).
 
  I suggest just dropping the  0.43 option, since it misleads into
  thinking it could actually work unchanged with 0.42.
 
 
  Please update the changelog. I have reviewed this and will upload
  tomorrow afternoon (GMT-4, so probably past midnight in europe).
 
 
  Ok, makes sense, I removed the  0.43 and pushed.
 
  Offering puredata as an option is wrong too (it still allows 0.42)
 
 
 Yes, good point.  I also now realized that a backport would also mean  
 changing the installed folder, since the puredata 0.43 package suite  
 installs into /usr/lib/puredata now, while puredata 0.42 installed  
 into /usr/lib/pd

I should add: I pushed the changes.

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please upload pd-bassemu, pd-beatpipe, pd-boids, pd-cyclone, pd-earplug, pd-ext13, d-ggee, pd-hcs, pd-libdir, pd-motex, pd-pddp, pd-vbap

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Here are my lowest priority uploads, but I hope to get them uploaded  
in time to be included in Ubuntu/oneiric.  An easier fix to all these  
RC bugs would be to get someone to upload the 'puredata' package from  
collab-maint/puredata.git.  IOhannes and I have been asking the  
maintainers to upload for weeks, but they are unresponsive.  So  
perhaps an NMU would be appropriate.


pd-bassemu
pd-beatpipe
pd-boids
pd-cyclone
pd-earplug
pd-ext13
pd-ggee
pd-hcs
pd-libdir
pd-motex
pd-pddp
pd-vbap

I can post individual emails for each, if anyone wants me to.  I just  
figured this is a long list all on the same topic, all with the same  
fix (adding 'puredata-dev | puredata' as the Build-Depends).


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Re: request for sponsorship for pd-hid

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 19:30 +, Felipe Sateler wrote:
 On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 02:45, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:
 
  On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:41 -0300, Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org
  wrote:
  On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 21:55, Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org
  wrote:
   On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 19:08, Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org 
   wrote:
   On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 03:37, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at 
   wrote:
  
   On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:37 -0800, Hans-Christoph Steiner
   h...@at.or.at wrote:
  
   On Dec 24, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
  
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 21:13, Hans-Christoph Steiner
h...@at.or.at wrote:
   
Just ITPed, packaged and uploaded pd-hid to git.debian.org.  It is 
an
object for Pure Data that allows you to use USB HID devices in Pd.
The
build system is similar in structure to pd-plugin and pd-freeverb,
plus
it includes the kFreeBSD and Hurd updates, so it should build on 
all
platforms.  It depends on pd-mapping and recommends pd-pddp, which
are
both in NEW.
   
http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/pd-hid.git;a=summary
   
There is some code that is not yours, please add Jan Truetzschler
Falkenstein to the debian/copyright file (ftpmaster may reject the
package for this missing information).
  
  
   Thanks for spotting that, I pushed the fix.
  
   Ping.  Anyone willing to sponsor this one?
  
   Sorry, I lost track of this. I will try to get to this (and your other
   packages) during the weekend.
  
   I clearly didn't do this when promised, and this week I couldn't
   either. I've been extremely busy. I'm sorry about that. If someone
   else can look into these packages, please upload them, since I'm not
   likely to get any debian time anytime soon.
  
   I will, if nobody else gets to these packages, still review them as
   time permits.
 
  It seems that this package never got uploaded.   It needs its git-dch
  done and the changelog finalized and then uploaded.  I can finalize the
  changelog if that makes it easier.  It seems some people want to do it
  themselves when uploading.
 
 I believe this package needs to be fixed for puredata = 0.43

As far as I can tell it has already.  For me, it builds on
Debian/testing using puredata-dev and no puredata, and squeeze using
puredata 0.42.6.

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Re: please upload pd-cxc, pd-ekext, pd-bsaylor, pd-markex, pd-maxlib, pd-mjlib, pd-sigpack, pd-smlib, pd-windowing, and pd-pdogg

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Just to reiterate, the plan is to drop those patches now that
puredata-dev provides all the needed headers.  But first, I just want to
fix the current bug that prevents these packages from building at all,
and let the dust settle on the very new reorg of 'puredata' into
'puredata-dev', 'puredata-core', 'puredata-gui', etc.

Thanks for following up on this, good luck with the update :)

.hc

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 19:40 +, Felipe Sateler wrote:
 All these packages seem to build-depend on puredata-dev | puredata (
 0.43). While for some this is harmless, I believe there is no reason
 to keep the patch that adds the required headers. I would suggest just
 dropping support for older puredatas.
 
 
 Sorry for taking so long, I've been extra busy. Alas, I can't upload
 right now, my internet is a bit slow and updating my system and
 chroots is taking a while. Please someone take a look and upload some
 of these packages, the changes relatively few (the diffs against the
 previous version in debian are very short).
 
 I'll try to check again when my systems have finished updating
 (aptitude is telling me I should wait 2-4 hours, depending on the
 current internet speed).
 
 On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 17:30, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:
 
  And a gentle ping on these packages... but for me puredata-import is a
  higher prioity for uploading.
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
  .hc
 
  On May 25, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 
 
  After the 'hold', these have all been reviewed and are just awaiting
  upload.  They all include bug fixes so they build on kFreeBSD and Hurd.
  There is an extra bonus in that I'm now a DM, so I'm setting DM-Upload:
  yes, then they won't need sponsored uploads any more :)
 
  IOhannes sent an email per package originally, I'm now just pinging
  again on these packages so they get uploaded.
 
  pd-cxc, pd-ekext, pd-bsaylor, pd-markex, pd-maxlib, pd-mjlib,
  pd-sigpack, pd-smlib, pd-windowing, and pd-pdogg
 
  .hc
 
 
  
 
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please upload pd-moonlib

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

pd-moonlib was uploaded before, but was rejected by the ftpmasters
because the LGPL-covered files were not documented distinct from the
over-arching GPL of the project.  That's fixed, as well as other recent
issues that have come up, and pd-moonlib is ready for upload!

http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/pd-moonlib.git

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Bug#629700: pd-bassemu: FTBFS: bassemu~.c:5:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Source: pd-bassemu
Version: 0.3-2
Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
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Bug#629701: pd-beatpipe: FTBFS: beatpipe.c:26:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Source: pd-beatpipe
Version: 0.1-2
Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
NMU or from pkg-multimedia.

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Bug#629702: pd-boids: FTBFS: boids2d.c:20:22: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
NMU or from pkg-multimedia.

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Bug#629703: pd-bsaylor: FTBFS: aenv~.c:18:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
NMU or from pkg-multimedia.

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Bug#629704: pd-cxc: FTBFS: ENV.c:5:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
NMU or from pkg-multimedia.

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Bug#629705: pd-cyclone: FTBFS: hammer/accum.c:8:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
NMU or from pkg-multimedia.

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Bug#629706: pd-earplug: FTBFS: earplug~.c:9:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
NMU or from pkg-multimedia.

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Bug#629707: pd-ekext: FTBFS: cup.c:1:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
NMU or from pkg-multimedia.

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Bug#629707: pd-ekext: FTBFS: cup.c:1:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
NMU or from pkg-multimedia.

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Bug#629708: pd-ext13: FTBFS: catch13~.c:7:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
NMU or from pkg-multimedia.

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Bug#629709: pd-freeverb: FTBFS: freeverb~.c:34:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
NMU or from pkg-multimedia.

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Bug#629710: pd-ggee: FTBFS: control/constant.c:4:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
NMU or from pkg-multimedia.

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Bug#629711: pd-hcs: FTBFS: canvas_name.c:3:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
NMU or from pkg-multimedia.

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Bug#629715: pd-markex: FTBFS: abs~.c:7:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
NMU or from pkg-multimedia.

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Bug#629716: pd-maxlib: FTBFS: allow.c:25:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
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Bug#629717: pd-mjlib: FTBFS: about.c:6:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
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Bug#629718: pd-motex: FTBFS: getenv.c:33:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (lacks B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
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Bug#629796: pd-pddp: FTBFS: pddplink.c:11:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (missing B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
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Bug#629797: pd-pdogg: FTBFS: oggamp~.c:33:18: fatal error: m_pd.h: No such file or directory (missing B-D on puredata-dev)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Tags: wheezy sid pending help

I am the packager and lead maintainer on this package.  I have fixed
this bug and pushed the fixes to the git.debian.org repo listed in the
Vcs-* lines.  The package is ready for upload, but I am a DM without
upload permissions on this package.

I have been looking for a sponsor on pkg-multimedia for a couple weeks
now, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could upload this package, either
NMU or from pkg-multimedia.

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