Re: [Rd] Possible NA Propagation Failure in RISC-V64 CPU?

2023-02-24 Thread Tomas Kalibera



On 2/24/23 00:39, Jane He wrote:

Hi all,

I am currently compiling R to RISC-V64 CPU and I think I have discovered a
NA propagation failure.

How R implements NA (not available) and NaN (not-a-number) is explained in
detail here:
https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-devel/2014-February/068380.html.

In short, according to my understanding of R's convention, any calculation
involving NA but no NaN should result in NA (called NA propagation), and
any calculation involving NaN but no NA should result in NaN. Calculations
involving both NA and NaN can result in either value.

While many R functions handle this logic in their source codes, basic
arithmetic operations such as +-/* throw it to the hardware to handle.
However, the RISC-V64 CPU does not behave as expected, at least the CPU I
am using (Starfive JH7100-7110).

Here are the relevant bit patterns. From my understanding, as IEEE only
regulates the bit patterns of NaN, R picks one of the bit patterns (ending
with 07a2) and declares it as NA.

# print_hex is a function to print the bit pattern in hex

print_hex(0.1)

3fba # same for RISC-V

print_hex(NaN)

7ff8 # same for RISC-V

print_hex(NA)

7ff007a2 # same for RISC-V

print_hex(NA+1)

7ff807a2 # 7ff8 in RISC-V

print_hex(NA*1)

7ff807a2 # 7ff8 in RISC-V

print_hex(NaN*1)

7ff8 # same for RISC-V


Therefore, in RISC-V64, all basic arithmetic operations involving NA give
NaN.


NA+1

[1] NaN

This failure in NA propagation may cause many R packages like mice to not
work properly, and results in the `make check` test in the `stats` package
to fail. Example from the make check test:

xn <- 1:4
yn <- c(1,NA,3:4)
xout <- (1:9)/2
data.frame(approx(xn,yn, xout, na.rm=FALSE, rule = 2)) # failure, some
values should be NA but it turns out NaN

I am reaching out to the R community looking for help in solving this
problem. Does anyone around here have any hints or ideas on how to solve
this issue?

Currently, my hacky implementation is to stop the NA operand before it goes
to the hardware and directly return NA as the output. However, this
solution may penalize performance significantly, so I am looking for any
alternative idea.

Thank you for your time and consideration!


Please see this bug report for a related discussion: 
https://bugs.r-project.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18416


This is a known problem and has been discussed a number of times before 
RISC-V. Still, RISC-V is a bit unique architecture in that it 
deliberately does not propagate NaN payloads at all and it cannot be 
enabled. R's distinction of NA vs NaN however depends on that propagation.


The propagation of NAs through computations in R is not reliable even on 
other current platforms (due to what the hardware does, but also what 
the compilers and libraries do, see e.g. ?NaN) and technically it is not 
guaranteed and R packages are advised not to depend on it, but various 
package checks and existing software adjusted to how the propagation 
happens to work on widely used platforms, now probably mostly x86_64. 
64-bit ARM is even a bit more friendly to R than that (when the CPU is 
switched to such mode, which R does). If RISC-V supported such mode, R 
would enable it as well, but it deliberately does not support it.


Good defensive portable code would not depend on the propagation to 
happen in hardware/compilers but add checks in software, if propagation 
was needed. I doubt that the performance overhead would be too high if 
done well, particularly for vectorized computations, but it will be 
noticeable and in some cases may be high. This would have to include 
special handling of data including NAs when they are passed to external 
numerical libraries, which would be a lot of work to implement and 
maintain, it seems unrealistic. At the same time there is no strong 
incentive to do so: people who want the propagation seem to be 
reasonably happy with how it happens to work on major platforms.


For the current R to work well on RISC-V, really, the platform would 
have to support the propagation, at least optionally, perhaps like 
64-bit ARM. Unless major platforms in the future stop supporting the 
propagation, I am skeptical anything major could change on the R side.


Best
Tomas




Best regards,
Jane He

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Re: [Rd] Possible NA Propagation Failure in RISC-V64 CPU?

2023-02-24 Thread Ivan Krylov
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 15:39:08 -0800
Jane He  wrote:

> In short, according to my understanding of R's convention, any
> calculation involving NA but no NaN should result in NA (called NA
> propagation), and any calculation involving NaN but no NA should
> result in NaN. Calculations involving both NA and NaN can result in
> either value.

The ?NA help page already contains a warning that "future CPUs and/or
compilers" may prevent NA from resulting in computations with NA. A
similar problem has been encountered on Apple processors, but a
workaround was found there:
https://blog.r-project.org/2020/11/02/will-r-work-on-apple-silicon/#nanan-payload-propagation

> This failure in NA propagation may cause many R packages like mice to
> not work properly, and results in the `make check` test in the
> `stats` package to fail.

Perhaps the way forward is to update the tests.

Regarding R packages, since is.na() is already documented to return
TRUE for all NaNs, not only the NA value, it should be possible to make
them work even if they currently fail.

-- 
Best regards,
Ivan

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