Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Wesley]

I’ve got a slow-developing project to create a bike raft out of a $40 
“inflatable camp lounger”. If I can raft 30 feet across an irrigation 
ditch, I can swap gravel country roads for 12 miles of commuting alongside 
interstate 80. I’ll let you know if it works.
-Wes

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:20:11 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Got it; again, sounds very interesting. I see that Alpacka boats retail 
> basically for the price of an entry-level Clem.
>
> I should probably buy an entry level Clem first, though.
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls into 
>> a tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In addition to 
>> the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a photo of the 
>> bike with the raft on it!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat fold 
>>> up small enought to be carried on a rack?
>>>
>>> I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio Grande 
>>> and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation trail to 
>>> various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors have a 
>>> couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry 
>>> points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first 
>>> one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, then 
>>> rode his bike back north to get his car.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Sue, 

 I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a few 
 years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any other 
 raft without a keel- kind of squirreley. 
 With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes 
 other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track much 
 better. 

 Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type 
 straps, and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and stable. 
 If there was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the 
 river, 
 I'd think twice. 

 Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
 [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
 Cheers, John

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:

> John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no bike 
> in the bow. Did you give that a try?
> Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it 
> sink to the bottom of the waterway?
>
> Sue
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>
>> Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its 
>>> maiden voyage down the Salt River. 
>>> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
>>> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to 
>>> shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my 
>>> expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall bike 
>>> and 
>>> body fit just fine. It's a super fun boat!
>>> [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
>>> If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Patrick Moore]

List master willing, I'd love to hear more about Rivendell listers'
motorcycles. I've toyed with the idea of getting one but always decided
that for the price of a decent secondary-road motorbike I could buy a Clem
or buy a new (used) car.

The only "motor-cycle" I ever rode was a 50 cc (? -- I'm guessing; it
wasn't powerful*) Vespa circa 1973, belonging to a girl in my class -- she
commuted to school on it; she on back giggling while I flubbed the
twist-shifts.

* The road to our school was a ~1 mile prepared dirt road ending in a very,
very steep, curving 1/4-mile long hill. I'd always gag myself honking up it
on my bike in the lowest gear after a fast ride to school. I recall the
Vespa with 2 passengers (friend was not exactly svelte) almost stalling as
I frantically tried to find 1st; I did manage to do so and thus avoided
falling over.

On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 6:05 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Just so's y'all know, I rode the motorbikes for decades. I got a refresher
> course and decided to give it another whirl. It will be a used bike, maybe
> a Harley Sportster, this is HOG country up here. The point of the thread is
> to sell a bicycle! 
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:00:14 PM UTC-7 Mark R. wrote:
>
>>
>> Motorcycles are addicting. I’ve been riding street since 1989 to get
>> around town, it was safer to commute at night than
>> my bicycle.  My opinion is to buy a used smaller bike, see how it feels,
>> before you sink money into it
>>
>> I got rid of one bike because it was too slow and loud. The next because
>> it was too tall and I had trouble reaching the
>> ground at lights. Then I found the Perfect fit for me and put 40k miles
>> on that Moto.
>> As it stands , I hardly ever use my car (about 2k miles since 2019) . I
>> put 22k one bike and 2k on another till last year.
>> This year I’m on track to 10k, this bike is new and fresh with all the
>> latest safety features.
>> Mark R
>> SDCA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

 
Also Philip - I have 700x50 tires on my Gallop, so it is not just for 
skinny tires. But all the rest fits with my impression. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

I will take some pictures tomorrow. Maybe seeing them next to each other 
will show how different they are. 
On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:00:41 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> I agree with Philip.
>
> The tube size, frame geometry, length, wheel size - they are very 
> different bikes. I think Riv is offering the Gallop as a fun new direction 
> for road bikes in the way hilly bikes  (Susie and Gus) are a better 
> alternative to over-mechanized mountain bikes. It is a road bike in the 
> sense that it is not to be loaded up for touring. It is not for bumpy fire 
> roads or trails. It is for riding on pavement (mostly). I don't think he's 
> necessarily designing for fast club rides with friends on carbon and/or 
> titanium bikes. 
>
> The Roadeo (and presumably the  Roadini since they are presented as 
> equivalent) has more classic road bike feel in the best possible way. The 
> Roadeo is a much more taut and racy bike than any of the others, excepting 
> only the Legolas, which is going further than you'd need or likely enjoy. 
> It will be much easier to ride with drop bars because that is its sole 
> design intention. 
>
> You should bring your saddle and try my bikes.  
>
> . 
>
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:48:54 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Having ridden a Gallop around the Riv lot on Grant’s beckoning, my 
>> five-minute ride report is thus:
>>
>> If you like riding a Clem or a Susie, for that comfy, stretched-out, 
>> body-planted-in-the-middle-of-the-bike type of vibe, but you always wanted 
>> a really light, road-only, skinny tire, center-mounted brake version, this 
>> would be that.
>>
>> It’s not go-fast. Or at least it didn’t feel that way at all to me. It 
>> felt like a Cadillac. Long, low, smooth. I bet it cruises really nicely on 
>> the open road once it’s up to speed.
>>
>> But it’s not a club ride road bike type of bike.
>>
>> Or I didn’t feel like it was.
>>
>> Or the one I rode wasn’t set up to achieve that sort of feeling.
>>
>> You know, the feeling of standing up and mashing the cranks and tucking 
>> in, and taking the good lines, and going really fast.
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 5:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Valerie, 
>> Interesting! What would make the Roadini more suited to go-fast road 
>> rides than the Gallop? What makes the Roadini more different in a fun way 
>> than the Gallop? I may be misunderstanding what the Gallop is; I had 
>> thought it was the new clubby bike Riv was advocating. 
>>
>> I am so appreciative of your and everyone’s input. I have lots to learn 
>> and it is FUN.
>> L
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 8:24 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> If I wanted a drop bar bike to fit in with my club/fast friends, I would 
>> pick Roadini. The Gallop is a fun alternative in the line-up but I don't 
>> see it as a primary go-fast road bike. I think a Roadini will be more 
>> different in a fun way from the bikes you've had. And your friends' bikes 
>> likely have skinny tires and too-low bars that would make them a bad 
>> comparison. A gravel bike with drop bars might be a good option to try just 
>> for more comfortable geometry and tires. Long shot, but if you could 
>> find a used Soma San Marcos (designed by Riv and made by Soma), that bike 
>> feels super similar to my Roadeo. 
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:52:54 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know it, Jason. I should just ask a woman in my bike group but it 
>>> feels like wearing someone else’s underwear. And actually, it’s not that 
>>> far off. (Side story: Last year I picked up a woman whose flat we could not 
>>> fix. I hoisted her bike onto my rack and immediately wanted to vomit. I had 
>>> grabbed her saddle, some kind of foam thing, and it was SOAKED THROUGH, 
>>> like a sponge.) Also, I don’t have clipless shoes, and every woman on my 
>>> rides has those pedals.
>>>
>>> But ok, I thought about what you said and I REMEMBERED something. 
>>> There’s a place in town I may be able to rent a drop bar bike in my size. 
>>> I’ll report back tomorrow!
>>>
>>> I hadn’t thought about it being an Oct Roadini vs Nov Gallop. Are you 
>>> surmising that if I go with drops I should go Roadini and Gallop for 
>>> swept-back bars?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:41:29 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I totally get not wanting to purchase a non-Rivendell, but it might be 
 well worthwhile to borrow or rent a drop bar bike to try out - of course, 
 it'll be disorienting, but should hopefully give you a sense of "I think 
 I'd get used to this" versus "this is definitely not for me". The reason I 
 say this is because it could be all the difference between choosing 
 October's lugged Roadini versus November's Charlie H Gallop. I know that 
 both bikes can run either, in theory, but in practice they are much more 
 suited to one vs the other. 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

I agree with Philip.

The tube size, frame geometry, length, wheel size - they are very different 
bikes. I think Riv is offering the Gallop as a fun new direction for road 
bikes in the way hilly bikes  (Susie and Gus) are a better alternative 
to over-mechanized mountain bikes. It is a road bike in the sense that it 
is not to be loaded up for touring. It is not for bumpy fire roads or 
trails. It is for riding on pavement (mostly). I don't think he's 
necessarily designing for fast club rides with friends on carbon and/or 
titanium bikes. 

The Roadeo (and presumably the  Roadini since they are presented as 
equivalent) has more classic road bike feel in the best possible way. The 
Roadeo is a much more taut and racy bike than any of the others, excepting 
only the Legolas, which is going further than you'd need or likely enjoy. 
It will be much easier to ride with drop bars because that is its sole 
design intention. 

You should bring your saddle and try my bikes.  

. 


On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:48:54 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Having ridden a Gallop around the Riv lot on Grant’s beckoning, my 
> five-minute ride report is thus:
>
> If you like riding a Clem or a Susie, for that comfy, stretched-out, 
> body-planted-in-the-middle-of-the-bike type of vibe, but you always wanted 
> a really light, road-only, skinny tire, center-mounted brake version, this 
> would be that.
>
> It’s not go-fast. Or at least it didn’t feel that way at all to me. It 
> felt like a Cadillac. Long, low, smooth. I bet it cruises really nicely on 
> the open road once it’s up to speed.
>
> But it’s not a club ride road bike type of bike.
>
> Or I didn’t feel like it was.
>
> Or the one I rode wasn’t set up to achieve that sort of feeling.
>
> You know, the feeling of standing up and mashing the cranks and tucking 
> in, and taking the good lines, and going really fast.
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 5:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Valerie, 
> Interesting! What would make the Roadini more suited to go-fast road rides 
> than the Gallop? What makes the Roadini more different in a fun way than 
> the Gallop? I may be misunderstanding what the Gallop is; I had thought it 
> was the new clubby bike Riv was advocating. 
>
> I am so appreciative of your and everyone’s input. I have lots to learn 
> and it is FUN.
> L
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 8:24 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> If I wanted a drop bar bike to fit in with my club/fast friends, I would 
> pick Roadini. The Gallop is a fun alternative in the line-up but I don't 
> see it as a primary go-fast road bike. I think a Roadini will be more 
> different in a fun way from the bikes you've had. And your friends' bikes 
> likely have skinny tires and too-low bars that would make them a bad 
> comparison. A gravel bike with drop bars might be a good option to try just 
> for more comfortable geometry and tires. Long shot, but if you could find 
> a used Soma San Marcos (designed by Riv and made by Soma), that bike feels 
> super similar to my Roadeo. 
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:52:54 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I know it, Jason. I should just ask a woman in my bike group but it feels 
>> like wearing someone else’s underwear. And actually, it’s not that far off. 
>> (Side story: Last year I picked up a woman whose flat we could not fix. I 
>> hoisted her bike onto my rack and immediately wanted to vomit. I had 
>> grabbed her saddle, some kind of foam thing, and it was SOAKED THROUGH, 
>> like a sponge.) Also, I don’t have clipless shoes, and every woman on my 
>> rides has those pedals.
>>
>> But ok, I thought about what you said and I REMEMBERED something. There’s 
>> a place in town I may be able to rent a drop bar bike in my size. I’ll 
>> report back tomorrow!
>>
>> I hadn’t thought about it being an Oct Roadini vs Nov Gallop. Are you 
>> surmising that if I go with drops I should go Roadini and Gallop for 
>> swept-back bars?
>> Leah
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:41:29 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I totally get not wanting to purchase a non-Rivendell, but it might be 
>>> well worthwhile to borrow or rent a drop bar bike to try out - of course, 
>>> it'll be disorienting, but should hopefully give you a sense of "I think 
>>> I'd get used to this" versus "this is definitely not for me". The reason I 
>>> say this is because it could be all the difference between choosing 
>>> October's lugged Roadini versus November's Charlie H Gallop. I know that 
>>> both bikes can run either, in theory, but in practice they are much more 
>>> suited to one vs the other. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday 9 May 2024 at 06:15:15 UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I just built a lovely Homer that fills that riding gap, but I do plan 
 to watch other people build theirs LEAH!

 On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

>
> Sarah - 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[P W]

Having ridden a Gallop around the Riv lot on Grant’s beckoning, my five-minute ride report is thus:If you like riding a Clem or a Susie, for that comfy, stretched-out, body-planted-in-the-middle-of-the-bike type of vibe, but you always wanted a really light, road-only, skinny tire, center-mounted brake version, this would be that.It’s not go-fast. Or at least it didn’t feel that way at all to me. It felt like a Cadillac. Long, low, smooth. I bet it cruises really nicely on the open road once it’s up to speed.But it’s not a club ride road bike type of bike.Or I didn’t feel like it was.Or the one I rode wasn’t set up to achieve that sort of feeling.You know, the feeling of standing up and mashing the cranks and tucking in, and taking the good lines, and going really fast.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 9, 2024, at 5:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:Valerie, Interesting! What would make the Roadini more suited to go-fast road rides than the Gallop? What makes the Roadini more different in a fun way than the Gallop? I may be misunderstanding what the Gallop is; I had thought it was the new clubby bike Riv was advocating. I am so appreciative of your and everyone’s input. I have lots to learn and it is FUN.LOn May 9, 2024, at 8:24 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:If I wanted a drop bar bike to fit in with my club/fast friends, I would pick Roadini. The Gallop is a fun alternative in the line-up but I don't see it as a primary go-fast road bike. I think a Roadini will be more different in a fun way from the bikes you've had. And your friends' bikes likely have skinny tires and too-low bars that would make them a bad comparison. A gravel bike with drop bars might be a good option to try just for more comfortable geometry and tires. Long shot, but if you could find a used Soma San Marcos (designed by Riv and made by Soma), that bike feels super similar to my Roadeo. On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:52:54 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I know it, Jason. I should just ask a woman in my bike group but it feels like wearing someone else’s underwear. And actually, it’s not that far off. (Side story: Last year I picked up a woman whose flat we could not fix. I hoisted her bike onto my rack and immediately wanted to vomit. I had grabbed her saddle, some kind of foam thing, and it was SOAKED THROUGH, like a sponge.) Also, I don’t have clipless shoes, and every woman on my rides has those pedals.But ok, I thought about what you said and I REMEMBERED something. There’s a place in town I may be able to rent a drop bar bike in my size. I’ll report back tomorrow!I hadn’t thought about it being an Oct Roadini vs Nov Gallop. Are you surmising that if I go with drops I should go Roadini and Gallop for swept-back bars?LeahOn Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:41:29 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:I totally get not wanting to purchase a non-Rivendell, but it might be well worthwhile to borrow or rent a drop bar bike to try out - of course, it'll be disorienting, but should hopefully give you a sense of "I think I'd get used to this" versus "this is definitely not for me". The reason I say this is because it could be all the difference between choosing October's lugged Roadini versus November's Charlie H Gallop. I know that both bikes can run either, in theory, but in practice they are much more suited to one vs the other. On Thursday 9 May 2024 at 06:15:15 UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:I just built a lovely Homer that fills that riding gap, but I do plan to watch other people build theirs LEAH!On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:Sarah - thanks! Are you thinking of getting one?On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:30:15 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:Thank you for this Valerie, your post made my morning!SarahOn Monday, May 6, 2024 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and many others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars when I was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding phase was also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, CO and the club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local routes. But I am introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a few folks with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a trip with HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own pace. I enjoy the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any expectation of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, started by doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and offers trips across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, fully supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if that ever interests you or anyone else reading this. My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.To me, 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Leah Peterson]

Valerie, Interesting! What would make the Roadini more suited to go-fast road rides than the Gallop? What makes the Roadini more different in a fun way than the Gallop? I may be misunderstanding what the Gallop is; I had thought it was the new clubby bike Riv was advocating. I am so appreciative of your and everyone’s input. I have lots to learn and it is FUN.LOn May 9, 2024, at 8:24 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:If I wanted a drop bar bike to fit in with my club/fast friends, I would pick Roadini. The Gallop is a fun alternative in the line-up but I don't see it as a primary go-fast road bike. I think a Roadini will be more different in a fun way from the bikes you've had. And your friends' bikes likely have skinny tires and too-low bars that would make them a bad comparison. A gravel bike with drop bars might be a good option to try just for more comfortable geometry and tires. Long shot, but if you could find a used Soma San Marcos (designed by Riv and made by Soma), that bike feels super similar to my Roadeo. On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:52:54 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I know it, Jason. I should just ask a woman in my bike group but it feels like wearing someone else’s underwear. And actually, it’s not that far off. (Side story: Last year I picked up a woman whose flat we could not fix. I hoisted her bike onto my rack and immediately wanted to vomit. I had grabbed her saddle, some kind of foam thing, and it was SOAKED THROUGH, like a sponge.) Also, I don’t have clipless shoes, and every woman on my rides has those pedals.But ok, I thought about what you said and I REMEMBERED something. There’s a place in town I may be able to rent a drop bar bike in my size. I’ll report back tomorrow!I hadn’t thought about it being an Oct Roadini vs Nov Gallop. Are you surmising that if I go with drops I should go Roadini and Gallop for swept-back bars?LeahOn Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:41:29 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:I totally get not wanting to purchase a non-Rivendell, but it might be well worthwhile to borrow or rent a drop bar bike to try out - of course, it'll be disorienting, but should hopefully give you a sense of "I think I'd get used to this" versus "this is definitely not for me". The reason I say this is because it could be all the difference between choosing October's lugged Roadini versus November's Charlie H Gallop. I know that both bikes can run either, in theory, but in practice they are much more suited to one vs the other. On Thursday 9 May 2024 at 06:15:15 UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:I just built a lovely Homer that fills that riding gap, but I do plan to watch other people build theirs LEAH!On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:Sarah - thanks! Are you thinking of getting one?On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:30:15 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:Thank you for this Valerie, your post made my morning!SarahOn Monday, May 6, 2024 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and many others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars when I was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding phase was also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, CO and the club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local routes. But I am introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a few folks with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a trip with HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own pace. I enjoy the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any expectation of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, started by doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and offers trips across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, fully supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if that ever interests you or anyone else reading this. My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.To me, the Roadeo feels absolutely plush, smooth, and elegant compared to the too small, too stiff, carbon-framed, low-barred, skinny-tired road bike I was persuaded to get when I moved to Boulder to fit in on rides with various clubs. That bike is long gone. The shorter wheel-base, stiffer tubing, and skinner tires of the Roadeo makes it much more taut and spare feeling than the Gallop. For me, the Roadeo is the ultimate, classic road bike for challenging myself on paved rides -- whether going fast or climbing on my own or riding with faster friends.   The long-length, fat-swoop tubing, and fatter-tire capability of the Gallop seems more like a lightweight, road-oriented Susie, to me. Less concern about potholes and road texture than on the Roadeo and more playful, all-day comfort. Since I haven't actually tried it on the rides I do with the 

[RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

If I wanted a drop bar bike to fit in with my club/fast friends, I would 
pick Roadini. The Gallop is a fun alternative in the line-up but I don't 
see it as a primary go-fast road bike. I think a Roadini will be more 
different in a fun way from the bikes you've had. And your friends' bikes 
likely have skinny tires and too-low bars that would make them a bad 
comparison. A gravel bike with drop bars might be a good option to try just 
for more comfortable geometry and tires. Long shot, but if you could find a 
used Soma San Marcos (designed by Riv and made by Soma), that bike feels 
super similar to my Roadeo. 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:52:54 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I know it, Jason. I should just ask a woman in my bike group but it feels 
> like wearing someone else’s underwear. And actually, it’s not that far off. 
> (Side story: Last year I picked up a woman whose flat we could not fix. I 
> hoisted her bike onto my rack and immediately wanted to vomit. I had 
> grabbed her saddle, some kind of foam thing, and it was SOAKED THROUGH, 
> like a sponge.) Also, I don’t have clipless shoes, and every woman on my 
> rides has those pedals.
>
> But ok, I thought about what you said and I REMEMBERED something. There’s 
> a place in town I may be able to rent a drop bar bike in my size. I’ll 
> report back tomorrow!
>
> I hadn’t thought about it being an Oct Roadini vs Nov Gallop. Are you 
> surmising that if I go with drops I should go Roadini and Gallop for 
> swept-back bars?
> Leah
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:41:29 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I totally get not wanting to purchase a non-Rivendell, but it might be 
>> well worthwhile to borrow or rent a drop bar bike to try out - of course, 
>> it'll be disorienting, but should hopefully give you a sense of "I think 
>> I'd get used to this" versus "this is definitely not for me". The reason I 
>> say this is because it could be all the difference between choosing 
>> October's lugged Roadini versus November's Charlie H Gallop. I know that 
>> both bikes can run either, in theory, but in practice they are much more 
>> suited to one vs the other. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday 9 May 2024 at 06:15:15 UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I just built a lovely Homer that fills that riding gap, but I do plan to 
>>> watch other people build theirs LEAH!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>

 Sarah - thanks! Are you thinking of getting one?
 On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:30:15 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thank you for this Valerie, your post made my morning!
>
> Sarah
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and 
>> many others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. 
>>
>> I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars 
>> when I was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding 
>> phase was also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, 
>> CO 
>> and the club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local 
>> routes. 
>> But I am introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a 
>> few folks with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a 
>> trip with HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own 
>> pace. 
>> I enjoy the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any 
>> expectation of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, 
>> started by doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and 
>> offers trips across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, 
>> fully supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if 
>> that ever interests you or anyone else reading this. 
>>
>> My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: 
>> Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.
>>
>> To me, the Roadeo feels absolutely plush, smooth, and elegant 
>> compared to the too small, too stiff, carbon-framed, low-barred, 
>> skinny-tired road bike I was persuaded to get when I moved to Boulder to 
>> fit in on rides with various clubs. That bike is long gone. The shorter 
>> wheel-base, stiffer tubing, and skinner tires of the Roadeo makes it 
>> much 
>> more taut and spare feeling than the Gallop. For me, the Roadeo is the 
>> ultimate, classic road bike for challenging myself on paved rides -- 
>> whether going fast or climbing on my own or riding with faster friends.  
>>  
>>
>> The long-length, fat-swoop tubing, and fatter-tire capability of the 
>> Gallop seems more like a lightweight, road-oriented Susie, to me. Less 
>> concern about potholes and road texture than on the Roadeo and more 
>> 

[RBW] FS/FT: Nitto Stems, Honjo, B17 Ti, Rons Bikes, Rene Herse, Paul, Tubus, & More

[Armand Kizirian]

Platypus is done done and last bits for sale! Ride report and build thread 
coming soon :) 

Pics Here. 

 
Prices include shipping. Slight discounts for multiple parts. DM me 
privately. 

   - Nitto Tallux 25.5 - 90mm - New - $75
   - Nitto Tig Faceplater 110mm 25.4 - NLA 225mm quill - New - $100
   - Nitto Stem Spreading Tool #4 - Used once - $35
   - Rene Herse Switchback Hill - 650 x 48mm extralight, black pair - New 
   in bag - $175
   - Honjo Turtle 63 Polished Fenders 700c - New - $125
   - Rons Bikes Fanny - Black X50 - Lightly used, waist strap is cut off, 
   bar/saddle bag use only - $110 
   - Brooks B17 Titanium - Black - Not the original owner, in good shape, 
   looks to be in the earlier stages of being broken in (selling cause I have 
   2 ;) - $150
   - Rivendell Complete 26.8mm Seatpost (new take-off from Platypus) - $45
   - Nitto EC-02 Gold Bar End Plugs ( 15.5-17.5mm inner diameter ) - New - 
   $20
   - Paul Gino Polished Light Mount - New - $30 ($53 new for polished 
   version)
   - Tubus Vega Evo Rear Rack (not pictured) - Black - New - $100
   - Tubus Airy Titanium Rear Rack - New - $350 (Expensive because I want 
   to keep it) 
   
With purchase of any items above: 

   - Dia Compe canti cable hangar - I think never used - $10
   - Newbaums tape - x2 teal x1 gray - $10
   - Shimano BB-UN300 118mm bottom bracket - new take-off - $10 
   - ESI Chunky Grips - Green - New - $18
   - Giro merino wool t-shirt jersey - Size medium w/ holes - $15
   - Pletscher Edge Kickstand - $20

Potential Trades: 

   - Nitto 90-190 Faceplater Stems - 25.4-31.8 - 110-135mm 
   - Nitto Wavie Bar 
   - Rons Bikes or Similar Bar/Saddle Bags in lightweight fabric
   - Oracle Ridge Endurance Tires 
   
Thank you very much and happy riding! 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Just so's y'all know, I rode the motorbikes for decades. I got a refresher 
course and decided to give it another whirl. It will be a used bike, maybe 
a Harley Sportster, this is HOG country up here. The point of the thread is 
to sell a bicycle! 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:00:14 PM UTC-7 Mark R. wrote:

>
> Motorcycles are addicting. I’ve been riding street since 1989 to get 
> around town, it was safer to commute at night than
> my bicycle.  My opinion is to buy a used smaller bike, see how it feels, 
> before you sink money into it
>
> I got rid of one bike because it was too slow and loud. The next because 
> it was too tall and I had trouble reaching the
> ground at lights. Then I found the Perfect fit for me and put 40k miles on 
> that Moto.
> As it stands , I hardly ever use my car (about 2k miles since 2019) . I 
> put 22k one bike and 2k on another till last year.
> This year I’m on track to 10k, this bike is new and fresh with all the 
> latest safety features. 
> Mark R
> SDCA 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I know it, Jason. I should just ask a woman in my bike group but it feels 
like wearing someone else’s underwear. And actually, it’s not that far off. 
(Side story: Last year I picked up a woman whose flat we could not fix. I 
hoisted her bike onto my rack and immediately wanted to vomit. I had 
grabbed her saddle, some kind of foam thing, and it was SOAKED THROUGH, 
like a sponge.) Also, I don’t have clipless shoes, and every woman on my 
rides has those pedals.

But ok, I thought about what you said and I REMEMBERED something. There’s a 
place in town I may be able to rent a drop bar bike in my size. I’ll report 
back tomorrow!

I hadn’t thought about it being an Oct Roadini vs Nov Gallop. Are you 
surmising that if I go with drops I should go Roadini and Gallop for 
swept-back bars?
Leah

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:41:29 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I totally get not wanting to purchase a non-Rivendell, but it might be 
> well worthwhile to borrow or rent a drop bar bike to try out - of course, 
> it'll be disorienting, but should hopefully give you a sense of "I think 
> I'd get used to this" versus "this is definitely not for me". The reason I 
> say this is because it could be all the difference between choosing 
> October's lugged Roadini versus November's Charlie H Gallop. I know that 
> both bikes can run either, in theory, but in practice they are much more 
> suited to one vs the other. 
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday 9 May 2024 at 06:15:15 UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just built a lovely Homer that fills that riding gap, but I do plan to 
>> watch other people build theirs LEAH!
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sarah - thanks! Are you thinking of getting one?
>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:30:15 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for this Valerie, your post made my morning!

 Sarah

 On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and 
> many others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. 
>
> I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars when 
> I was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding phase 
> was also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, CO and 
> the club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local routes. But 
> I 
> am introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a few 
> folks with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a trip 
> with HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own pace. I 
> enjoy the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any 
> expectation of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, 
> started by doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and 
> offers trips across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, 
> fully supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if 
> that ever interests you or anyone else reading this. 
>
> My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: 
> Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.
>
> To me, the Roadeo feels absolutely plush, smooth, and elegant compared 
> to the too small, too stiff, carbon-framed, low-barred, skinny-tired road 
> bike I was persuaded to get when I moved to Boulder to fit in on rides 
> with 
> various clubs. That bike is long gone. The shorter wheel-base, stiffer 
> tubing, and skinner tires of the Roadeo makes it much more taut and spare 
> feeling than the Gallop. For me, the Roadeo is the ultimate, classic road 
> bike for challenging myself on paved rides -- whether going fast or 
> climbing on my own or riding with faster friends.   
>
> The long-length, fat-swoop tubing, and fatter-tire capability of the 
> Gallop seems more like a lightweight, road-oriented Susie, to me. Less 
> concern about potholes and road texture than on the Roadeo and more 
> playful, all-day comfort. Since I haven't actually tried it on the rides 
> I 
> do with the Roadeo, I can't say for sure how it compares. Its performance 
> could surprise me. In any event, I think the Gallop will be really fun 
> and 
> a great intro to drop bars coming from the the upright models you've been 
> riding. I am eager to read your ride reports. 
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:51:38 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Valerie, well you’re an undiscovered treasure. I haven’t had the 
>> privilege to know you but just reading this reveals that you are a 
>> RivSister with a wealth of bike information and we NEED you here. Wow! 
>> It 
>> was oddly like reading a Bill Lindsey post with all the talk of 
>> incorporating a new 

Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

Yes, but Clems don't float! ;)

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:20:11 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Got it; again, sounds very interesting. I see that Alpacka boats retail 
> basically for the price of an entry-level Clem.
>
> I should probably buy an entry level Clem first, though.
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls into 
>> a tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In addition to 
>> the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a photo of the 
>> bike with the raft on it!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat fold 
>>> up small enought to be carried on a rack?
>>>
>>> I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio Grande 
>>> and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation trail to 
>>> various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors have a 
>>> couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry 
>>> points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first 
>>> one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, then 
>>> rode his bike back north to get his car.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Sue, 

 I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a few 
 years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any other 
 raft without a keel- kind of squirreley. 
 With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes 
 other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track much 
 better. 

 Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type 
 straps, and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and stable. 
 If there was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the 
 river, 
 I'd think twice. 

 Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
 [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
 Cheers, John

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:

> John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no bike 
> in the bow. Did you give that a try?
> Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it 
> sink to the bottom of the waterway?
>
> Sue
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>
>> Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its 
>>> maiden voyage down the Salt River. 
>>> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
>>> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to 
>>> shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my 
>>> expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall bike 
>>> and 
>>> body fit just fine. It's a super fun boat!
>>> [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
>>> If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
>>> Cheers, John
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet Toyo? with "pointy" lugs

[Danny]

What a beauty! Congrats to the buyer. I would have been very tempted had I
seen this an hour ago.

To whoever bought this, if you don't fancy that crankset, I'd be interested
in buying it. (I know, I know, it's a long shot.)

Danny
Madison, WI

On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 5:47 PM MisterMo  wrote:

> SOLD SOLD SOLD
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:54:10 PM UTC-4 MisterMo wrote:
>
>> *$1400 and willing to ship if buyer pays.*
>> I believe this is a size 64cm, but it could be a size 62cm. Here again
>> the serial number may tell those who know how to interpret it. The geometry
>> table is posted here: Cyclofiend: RBW: Frame Geometry Archive Info
>> .
>>
>>  [image: IMG_3512.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Patrick Moore]

Got it; again, sounds very interesting. I see that Alpacka boats retail
basically for the price of an entry-level Clem.

I should probably buy an entry level Clem first, though.

On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls into a
> tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In addition to
> the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a photo of the
> bike with the raft on it!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat fold
>> up small enought to be carried on a rack?
>>
>> I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio Grande
>> and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation trail to
>> various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors have a
>> couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry
>> points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first
>> one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, then
>> rode his bike back north to get his car.
>>
>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Sue,
>>>
>>> I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a few
>>> years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any other
>>> raft without a keel- kind of squirreley.
>>> With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes
>>> other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track much
>>> better.
>>>
>>> Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type straps,
>>> and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and stable. If there
>>> was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the river, I'd
>>> think twice.
>>>
>>> Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
>>> [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:
>>>
 John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no bike
 in the bow. Did you give that a try?
 Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it
 sink to the bottom of the waterway?

 Sue

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:

> Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.
>
> Curtis
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its
>> maiden voyage down the Salt River.
>> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
>> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to
>> shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my
>> expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall bike 
>> and
>> body fit just fine. It's a super fun boat!
>> [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
>> If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!
>>
>> [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Rambouillet Randonneuring Road Bicycle "pointy lugs" Toyo? Waterford?

[Jerry Lynn]

Whelp - its gone for now

On Thu, 9 May 2024 at 15:38, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Lots of pictures of the same Ram offered in an adjacent post! For less
> money. Weird?
> -Kai
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:28:27 PM UTC-4 Jerry Lynn wrote:
>
>> No mine, and no affiliation...
>> $1,6999
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/305557298256?itmmeta=01HXFQAW6P602XRR9J2PG63GAH=item4724a25c50:g:mhsAAOSwQPJmPTYG
>> [image: 00ram.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet Toyo? with "pointy" lugs

[MisterMo]

SOLD SOLD SOLD

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:54:10 PM UTC-4 MisterMo wrote:

> *$1400 and willing to ship if buyer pays.*
> I believe this is a size 64cm, but it could be a size 62cm. Here again the 
> serial number may tell those who know how to interpret it. The geometry 
> table is posted here: Cyclofiend: RBW: Frame Geometry Archive Info 
> .
>
>  [image: IMG_3512.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet Toyo? with "pointy" lugs

[MisterMo]

SOLD!  I had all that information in the original post but it kept telling 
me my message was too long until I cut it to the amount you saw.  I 
probably had a dozen pictures too!  Alas, it sold in about 10 minutes.  
I'll soon be listing a 63cm A Homer Hilsen and will attempt to provide more 
info again and hope it allows me a lengthier message than this one did.  

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:32:09 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:

>
> I think I speak for most when I demand more photos of your radical 
> Rambouillet. Build details 樂? 
> Thanks for sharing
> -Kai
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:54:10 PM UTC-4 MisterMo wrote:
>
>> *$1400 and willing to ship if buyer pays.*
>> I believe this is a size 64cm, but it could be a size 62cm. Here again 
>> the serial number may tell those who know how to interpret it. The geometry 
>> table is posted here: Cyclofiend: RBW: Frame Geometry Archive Info 
>> .
>>
>>  [image: IMG_3512.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Jason Fuller]

I totally get not wanting to purchase a non-Rivendell, but it might be well 
worthwhile to borrow or rent a drop bar bike to try out - of course, it'll 
be disorienting, but should hopefully give you a sense of "I think I'd get 
used to this" versus "this is definitely not for me". The reason I say this 
is because it could be all the difference between choosing October's lugged 
Roadini versus November's Charlie H Gallop. I know that both bikes can run 
either, in theory, but in practice they are much more suited to one vs the 
other. 




On Thursday 9 May 2024 at 06:15:15 UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just built a lovely Homer that fills that riding gap, but I do plan to 
> watch other people build theirs LEAH!
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>>
>> Sarah - thanks! Are you thinking of getting one?
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:30:15 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for this Valerie, your post made my morning!
>>>
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and many 
 others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. 

 I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars when 
 I was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding phase 
 was also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, CO and 
 the club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local routes. But 
 I 
 am introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a few 
 folks with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a trip 
 with HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own pace. I 
 enjoy the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any 
 expectation of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, 
 started by doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and 
 offers trips across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, 
 fully supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if 
 that ever interests you or anyone else reading this. 

 My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: 
 Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.

 To me, the Roadeo feels absolutely plush, smooth, and elegant compared 
 to the too small, too stiff, carbon-framed, low-barred, skinny-tired road 
 bike I was persuaded to get when I moved to Boulder to fit in on rides 
 with 
 various clubs. That bike is long gone. The shorter wheel-base, stiffer 
 tubing, and skinner tires of the Roadeo makes it much more taut and spare 
 feeling than the Gallop. For me, the Roadeo is the ultimate, classic road 
 bike for challenging myself on paved rides -- whether going fast or 
 climbing on my own or riding with faster friends.   

 The long-length, fat-swoop tubing, and fatter-tire capability of the 
 Gallop seems more like a lightweight, road-oriented Susie, to me. Less 
 concern about potholes and road texture than on the Roadeo and more 
 playful, all-day comfort. Since I haven't actually tried it on the rides I 
 do with the Roadeo, I can't say for sure how it compares. Its performance 
 could surprise me. In any event, I think the Gallop will be really fun and 
 a great intro to drop bars coming from the the upright models you've been 
 riding. I am eager to read your ride reports. 

 On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:51:38 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Valerie, well you’re an undiscovered treasure. I haven’t had the 
> privilege to know you but just reading this reveals that you are a 
> RivSister with a wealth of bike information and we NEED you here. Wow! It 
> was oddly like reading a Bill Lindsey post with all the talk of 
> incorporating a new bike into your collection and using it for certain 
> subsets of rides. If you two don’t know each other I think you should get 
> acquainted! 
>
> Thanks for taking the time and offering your opinion about this bike. 
> I really think it could be a good first road bike for me, and a good one 
> to 
> experiment with drops. I’m so late getting into serious riding (I found 
> Riv 
> at 31 and was raising little kids but now am 3 years from empty-nesting) 
> and I feel so behind. Everyone else seems like they had their drop bar 
> phase and club riding phase in their 20s and maybe 30s. I never rode a 
> group ride until I was 41. It’s a lot, so I’m very appreciative when 
> other 
> people (especially women) will share what they know. It really, truly 
> helps.
>
> One question: Why do you think the Roadini is more like your Roadeo 
> than your Gallop? What makes the Roadini and the Gallop 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Rambouillet Randonneuring Road Bicycle "pointy lugs" Toyo? Waterford?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Lots of pictures of the same Ram offered in an adjacent post! For less 
money. Weird?
-Kai

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:28:27 PM UTC-4 Jerry Lynn wrote:

> No mine, and no affiliation...
> $1,6999
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/305557298256?itmmeta=01HXFQAW6P602XRR9J2PG63GAH=item4724a25c50:g:mhsAAOSwQPJmPTYG
> [image: 00ram.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet Toyo? with "pointy" lugs

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I think I speak for most when I demand more photos of your radical 
Rambouillet. Build details 樂? 
Thanks for sharing
-Kai
On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:54:10 PM UTC-4 MisterMo wrote:

> *$1400 and willing to ship if buyer pays.*
> I believe this is a size 64cm, but it could be a size 62cm. Here again the 
> serial number may tell those who know how to interpret it. The geometry 
> table is posted here: Cyclofiend: RBW: Frame Geometry Archive Info 
> .
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>  [image: IMG_3512.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls into a 
tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In addition to 
the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a photo of the 
bike with the raft on it!

Cheers, John

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat fold 
> up small enought to be carried on a rack?
>
> I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio Grande 
> and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation trail to 
> various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors have a 
> couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry 
> points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first 
> one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, then 
> rode his bike back north to get his car.
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Hey Sue, 
>>
>> I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a few 
>> years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any other raft 
>> without a keel- kind of squirreley. 
>> With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes 
>> other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track much 
>> better. 
>>
>> Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type straps, 
>> and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and stable. If there 
>> was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the river, I'd 
>> think twice. 
>>
>> Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
>> [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:
>>
>>> John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no bike in 
>>> the bow. Did you give that a try?
>>> Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it sink 
>>> to the bottom of the waterway?
>>>
>>> Sue
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>>>
 Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.

 Curtis

 On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its 
> maiden voyage down the Salt River. 
> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to 
> shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my 
> expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall bike 
> and 
> body fit just fine. It's a super fun boat!
> [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
> If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!
>
> [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
> Cheers, John
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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Mark R.]

Motorcycles are addicting. I’ve been riding street since 1989 to get around 
town, it was safer to commute at night than
my bicycle.  My opinion is to buy a used smaller bike, see how it feels, 
before you sink money into it

I got rid of one bike because it was too slow and loud. The next because it 
was too tall and I had trouble reaching the
ground at lights. Then I found the Perfect fit for me and put 40k miles on 
that Moto.
As it stands , I hardly ever use my car (about 2k miles since 2019) . I put 
22k one bike and 2k on another till last year.
This year I’m on track to 10k, this bike is new and fresh with all the 
latest safety features. 
Mark R
SDCA 


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Re: [RBW] El Rio Grande

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Here in the dead flat Sacramento Valley, we call wind a “simulated hill."

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> On May 9, 2024, at 2:43 PM, Bernard Duhon  wrote:
> 
> I feel your pain. The wind here has been steady 20 miles an hour off the Gulf 
> Coast gusting to 30 bills character to ride against the wind like that.
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS 
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  
> on behalf of Patrick Moore 
> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 4:38:56 PM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch 
> Subject: [RBW] El Rio Grande
>  
> Quick out and back today between work chores. Rode south against SE gusting 
> to 30s, gusts suddenly slowing me in the hooks and 65" underdrive second -- 2 
> Ortlieb Sports Packers in rear did not help.
> 
> Rio Grande in flood -- spring melts in mountains are early this year -- and 
> this is the view from the middle of the river on Montano Blvd NW. Big towhead 
> to left/east; channel to the east of towhead is almost as wide as the west 
> channel shown.
> 
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Re: [RBW] El Rio Grande

[Bernard Duhon]

I feel your pain. The wind here has been steady 20 miles an hour off the Gulf 
Coast gusting to 30 bills character to ride against the wind like that.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Patrick Moore 
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 4:38:56 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch 
Subject: [RBW] El Rio Grande

Quick out and back today between work chores. Rode south against SE gusting to 
30s, gusts suddenly slowing me in the hooks and 65" underdrive second -- 2 
Ortlieb Sports Packers in rear did not help.

Rio Grande in flood -- spring melts in mountains are early this year -- and 
this is the view from the middle of the river on Montano Blvd NW. Big towhead 
to left/east; channel to the east of towhead is almost as wide as the west 
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Re: [RBW] Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Jay]

More great points, thanks!

Some responses:
- I would convert my Salsa Fargo to drop bar.  It has Apex 1x drivetrain, 
and there is an inexpensive MTB shifter that works well, plus this bike is 
designed with drops and flat/swept in mind
- I'm liking the look of the Albatross bar, not too extreme (walk before 
you can run!)
- I agree Bill that diet is important, and while mine is generally quite 
good, on a bad eating evening/day, the next day or later day ride does 
suffer (that includes if I had a beer, which doesn't work for me close to a 
ride, let alone on one...though it did last year on a 3-day tour, so who 
knows!)
- I also agree re: mental health, however, sometimes a ride greatly helps 
my mental health, so it's often worth the trade off (if I'm a bit sore, but 
that's not often case after a stressful time in my life)
- I like a lot of things about drop bars, but I feel like trying something 
different, and with the Fargo being like a drop bar mountain bike, I 
thought it would be a good candidate for convert

I went for a ride at lunch today.  Just 75 minutes.  I focused on keeping 
my pelvis upright/straight, and having my upper back/etc tip over a bit, 
vs. tilting from the pelvis (bike fitter I spoke to recently called this 
being like asparagus coming out of the microwave, trunk is solid, top folds 
over a bit, make sense?).  I was on the Roadini and the hoods are above the 
bars, and the shallow drop to the drops is comfortable and I felt good as I 
moved hand positions, not tilting too much forward.  Was a bind windy on 
the way back and did feel that space between my shoulder blades tightening 
a bit, but no worse than a 2/10 on the pain scale.

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> Quick thought regarding drop bars in response to LuckTurnip:
>
> Almost all of my bikes have drop bars. I have one bike with Soma’s 
> “Oxford” bars (a milder version of theAlbatross?) and a Brompton with a 
> straight handlebar to which I added forward-facing grip extensions.
>
> On my bikes with drop bars, I ride probably 99% of the time on the tops, 
> usually with my hands wrapped around the brake hoods. I find that 
> comfortable and it gives me easy access to the brake levers. 
>
> I spend the other 1% of my time in the drops because I’m not concerned 
> about aerodynamics. There are plenty of things slowing me down, and 
> assuming an aero posture isn’t going to do anything about most of those.
>
> This is of course personal preference, but I like the way drop bars look. 
> I have several classic bikes (Alex Singer, Cinelli, Masi) that were set up 
> with drop bars and which, I think, would look kinda dumb with upright bars. 
> Kind of like a Rambouillet with a polo seat and sissy bar (although some 
> might really like that look).
>
> Ride what you want and pick the bike/seat/handlebars that make you feel 
> comfortable. But don’t assume that drop bars are going to force you into am 
> uncomfortable, crouched posture. 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 11:00 AM, lucky...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Fellow older person here. I have avoided owning a “fast bike” for years 
> due to drops killin’ me, but I recently acquired this sporty XO-1 and the 
> Albatross bar is perfect for it! I might not actually be fast but I *feel* 
> fast now (compared to my racked and fat-tired Atlantis) so that’s really 
> what matters. Albatross is the GOAT. 
>
> 
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 09:50, Wesley  wrote:
>
> Hi Jay,
> I'll second what's been said here and by Rivendell: the Albatross is the 
> swept-back bar that is least radical / closest to a drop bar.
>
> I first put an Albatross bar on a bike of mine in 2007 and have kept them 
> on at least one bike ever since. Unlike the other swept-back bars that Riv 
> sells, they have a great hand position that is slightly forward of the stem 
> clamp (demonstrated here): 
> 
>
>
> It's comfy for long hours on the bike. Like you, I find flat bars 
> uncomfortable (they pain my wrists). With Albatross bars, my wrist position 
> feels neutral and natural, a lot like on the lever tops on drop bars. The 
> Albatross bar is on my everyday bike, with the drop bar road bike being 
> used only when I want a lighter bike.
> -Wes 
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>
>> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
>> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
>> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
>> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
>> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
>> be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
>> get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
>> better?
>>
>> I'm going to ramble a bit here, my 

[RBW] Re: Snake-in-a-bike

[iamkeith]

Beautiful animal.and beautiful bike.

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:36:41 AM UTC-6 allan@gmail.com wrote:

> Here's a tale from the “Well, I never thought I’d see that” department… 
>
> This afternoon I was out on the Yvez Gomez, exercising the dog, when we 
> encountered a smooth green snake (Opheodrys vernalis), sunning itself in 
> the middle of the road. I stopped next to the snake to maneuver it to the 
> side but it decided to climb up my back wheel spokes and inspect the 
> interior of the cassette instead. After several failed attempts to nudge it 
> along, it exited the cassette, went forward along the chainstay, and 
> completely entered the fender, going up. 
>
> To extract it from the inside of the fender I slowly rolled the bike 
> backwards until the snake popped out the rear and onto the ground. At this 
> point it had gotten the message well and slithered off into the stone wall. 
>
> For the curious, full photo documentation here:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBpqQB
> 
>
> Allan in Marlboro, Vt
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Quick thought regarding drop bars in response to LuckTurnip:

Almost all of my bikes have drop bars. I have one bike with Soma’s “Oxford” 
bars (a milder version of theAlbatross?) and a Brompton with a straight 
handlebar to which I added forward-facing grip extensions.

On my bikes with drop bars, I ride probably 99% of the time on the tops, 
usually with my hands wrapped around the brake hoods. I find that comfortable 
and it gives me easy access to the brake levers. 

I spend the other 1% of my time in the drops because I’m not concerned about 
aerodynamics. There are plenty of things slowing me down, and assuming an aero 
posture isn’t going to do anything about most of those.

This is of course personal preference, but I like the way drop bars look. I 
have several classic bikes (Alex Singer, Cinelli, Masi) that were set up with 
drop bars and which, I think, would look kinda dumb with upright bars. Kind of 
like a Rambouillet with a polo seat and sissy bar (although some might really 
like that look).

Ride what you want and pick the bike/seat/handlebars that make you feel 
comfortable. But don’t assume that drop bars are going to force you into am 
uncomfortable, crouched posture. 

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On May 9, 2024, at 11:00 AM, luckytur...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Fellow older person here. I have avoided owning a “fast bike” for years due 
> to drops killin’ me, but I recently acquired this sporty XO-1 and the 
> Albatross bar is perfect for it! I might not actually be fast but I *feel* 
> fast now (compared to my racked and fat-tired Atlantis) so that’s really what 
> matters. Albatross is the GOAT. 
> 
> 
>> On May 9, 2024, at 09:50, Wesley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jay,
>> I'll second what's been said here and by Rivendell: the Albatross is the 
>> swept-back bar that is least radical / closest to a drop bar.
>> 
>> I first put an Albatross bar on a bike of mine in 2007 and have kept them on 
>> at least one bike ever since. Unlike the other swept-back bars that Riv 
>> sells, they have a great hand position that is slightly forward of the stem 
>> clamp (demonstrated here): 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It's comfy for long hours on the bike. Like you, I find flat bars 
>> uncomfortable (they pain my wrists). With Albatross bars, my wrist position 
>> feels neutral and natural, a lot like on the lever tops on drop bars. The 
>> Albatross bar is on my everyday bike, with the drop bar road bike being used 
>> only when I want a lighter bike.
>> -Wes 
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>>> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
>>> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
>>> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
>>> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
>>> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
>>> be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
>>> get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
>>> better?
>>> 
>>> I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't thought 
>>> long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly.  Hopefully you 
>>> get where I'm coming from.
>>> 
>>> Quick background
>>> - been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
>>> - started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; 
>>> tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't 
>>> like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; 
>>> have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 
>>> 'gravel' bikes/riding
>>> - I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and this 
>>> leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position on 
>>> the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength 
>>> training; have had numerous bike fits
>>> - I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom 
>>> made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
>>> - I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in 
>>> particular when roads are not busy, or on trails, gravel roads, etc.
>>> 
>>> On a good day (75% of the time), I can ride any of these bikes and during 
>>> the ride I feel pretty good (little to no pain), maybe a bit of pain after 
>>> (could be neck/shoulders, but anywhere else really), and after stretching I 
>>> feel great in a 1/2 to full day.  I ride 4-5x a week, workout 1-2 times 
>>> spring-fall and more in the winter.  
>>> 
>>> But at least once a week, and maybe twice, I'll be riding, sometimes tired 
>>> as it's after work, and within an hour I'm running low on energy and 
>>> probably start to develop a bad posture on the bike, over-using my arms 
>>> which causes problems in my neck and shoulders, 

[RBW] Re: FS: Spring Cleaning! Parts, caps, etc.

[Bryan Dalik]

Everything except the IRD BB is *SOLD. *Thanks y'all!

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 3:29:51 PM UTC-4 Bryan Dalik wrote:

> Caps are *SOLD.*
>
> T shirt pending.
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:38:09 PM UTC-4 Bryan Dalik wrote:
>
>> Doing some spring cleaning and listing the following up for sale:
>>
>> Ron's Bikes Tulips cycling cap *20$ shipped* - this was a one off for 
>> the 2021 Nutmeg Nor'easter. 
>>
>> Ultradynamico grey cycling cap - *20$ shipped *
>>
>> **buy both caps for 35$ shipped*
>>
>> IRD QB-55 Square taper BB - 68x118mm - *30$ shipped *- this is brand 
>> new, just needed a 122 for the build I was working on. My loss, your gain.
>>
>> Rivendell Peace Wheel t-shirt, blue, medium - *15$ shipped *- Good 
>> condition, no flaws or stains.
>>
>> Suntour Superbe 28.6 Front deraileur, clamp on - *20$ shipped *- great 
>> looking FD, in good condition, works great.
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> Link to photos - 
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12hLk-ryIn8ifE0XpKAwDkyLBu4tzCF8X?usp=drive_link
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[James M]

I really like to use Oury grips with bar end shifters.  First I slice off 
the flange at the end, then I orient the grooves that run the length of the 
grips so one lines up with the shifter cable.  Then I use twine around the 
perpendicular grooves t lock the shifter cable into place.  Sorry - no 
photos, but hopefully it makes sense if you look at a photo of Oury grips.  
It works great!

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 9:03:10 AM UTC-4 Steve wrote:

> Doug, I have used the following approach to run bar end shifter cabling 
> beneath ESI grips: 
> - Remove the shifters from the bars and fully withdraw the cable from the 
> housing.
> - Re-insert the cable into the housing leaving the shifter out of the 
> equation at this point.
> - Secure the housing with the cable in place to the bars by taping it just 
> forward of the area which will be covered by the grip. Let the cable extend 
> an inch or so  beyond the end of the bar.
> - Lubricate the interior of the grip and  the bar along with the cable 
> with a suitable product. I recommend alcohol gel hand sanitizer. (once the 
> alcohol evaporates the grip will be secure)
> - Slide the grip over the bar and cable housing - douse the bar with 
> additional sanitizer if necessary. Work quickly.
> - With the grip in place adjust  the position of the housing then withdraw 
> the cable.
> - Install the mount for the shifter and then thread the cable through the 
> shifter lever, the mount and back into the housing. 
> - Pull or push the cable forward to bring the lever into position on its 
> mount and secure it in place. 
> - There you have it!
>
> Steve
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:37:14 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I also 
>> installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for grips 
>> but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used padding 
>> or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've also 
>> considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. Any 
>> examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
>> Doug
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie green color discrepancy

[Aaron Wilson]

Thanks Tio Ryan. 

Of note, my green Susie just shipped. Exciting. 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:24:54 PM UTC-6 tio ryan wrote:

> I have a sergio green platypus and the color is much more like the riv 
> pics than the blue lug image — the tan sidewalls on the wtb tires looks off 
> as well. 
>
> rest assured, sergio green is a lovely color in person (imo) 
>
> -tio in bk 
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:58:17 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Maybe it is just a white balance issue. They just look so starkly 
>> different. 
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 11:50:26 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think that 'against a drab white wall' shot is going to be 
>>> indicative of how Sergio Green will look outside while riding. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 10:31:58 AM UTC-7 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Saw Blue Lug's most recent Instagram story with what looks like some 
 pictures of the new Susies in both colors. The green looks substantially 
 different than the image on Riv's website. Makes me wish I'd ordered an 
 orange...




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[RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Bill Lindsay]

The symptoms the OP complains about are low energy and bad posture because 
of low energy.  

The three suggestions I'll toss into the hopper are: 1. there may be issues 
with your diet, 2. maybe 5x a week is too much.  Maybe limit it to 3x a 
week strictly and see what that does.  Finally 3. Maybe you go too hard. 
 Consider using an HRM and keep it strictly in a mellow zone and see if you 
learn something about that relationship with your energy level and comfort 
level.  

Me personally, if I'm "not feeling it" I blame it on diet 40% of the time, 
my own mental health 40% of the time, and a need for a spinal adjustment 
20% of the time.  Since those three causes are orthogonal, it can be all 
three at once, and those are really bad days.  On a day where my back is 
jacked, and I've been eating crappy, and I'm in a pit of depression, there 
is no handlebar that will snap me out of that triple-whammy.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:

> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
> be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
> get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
> better?
>
> I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't 
> thought long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly. 
>  Hopefully you get where I'm coming from.
>
> *Quick background*
> - been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
> - started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; 
> tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't 
> like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; 
> have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 
> 'gravel' bikes/riding
> - I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and 
> this leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position 
> on the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength 
> training; have had numerous bike fits
> - I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom 
> made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
> - I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in 
> particular when roads are not busy, or on trails, gravel roads, etc.
>
> On a good day (75% of the time), I can ride any of these bikes and during 
> the ride I feel pretty good (little to no pain), maybe a bit of pain after 
> (could be neck/shoulders, but anywhere else really), and after stretching I 
> feel great in a 1/2 to full day.  I ride 4-5x a week, workout 1-2 times 
> spring-fall and more in the winter.  
>
> But at least once a week, and maybe twice, I'll be riding, sometimes tired 
> as it's after work, and within an hour I'm running low on energy and 
> probably start to develop a bad posture on the bike, over-using my arms 
> which causes problems in my neck and shoulders, leading to upper body 
> aches/pains (while riding, and after).  Takes a lot of stretching and 
> awareness to reset.  *This is what I'm trying to resolve (move from 75% 
> to 99%)*
>
> My guess is that even with a bike like the Roadini or Salsa, with bars 
> about level with the saddle, and even with a professional fitting on each, 
> when I want to ride but I'm lacking energy, it goes poorly.  But is that 
> because these bikes are "kind of" aggressive (when compared to say a spine 
> angle closer to 70% and swept back bars)?  Or is it simply a combination of 
> age, history of some 'issues', low on energy and thus bad posture kicks in, 
> and would any bike be a joy to ride, or should I just go for a walk on 
> those days!?
>
> I would love to hear from those who ride both drop bars and also swept 
> back (or similar) in a way more relaxed geometry, or those who transitioned 
> to mainly this style, because it almost fully resolved your issues, if 
> they're anyway similar to mine.  *On a day when you're not feeling it, 
> but you have to commute or just love to ride, do you leave the drop bar 
> bike in the garage and hop on your more relaxed bike, and thus avoid most 
> of the issues you would have had on the other (slightly more aggressive) 
> bike?*
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie green color discrepancy

[tio ryan]

I have a sergio green platypus and the color is much more like the riv pics 
than the blue lug image — the tan sidewalls on the wtb tires looks off as 
well. 

rest assured, sergio green is a lovely color in person (imo) 

-tio in bk 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:58:17 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> Maybe it is just a white balance issue. They just look so starkly 
> different. 
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 11:50:26 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I don't think that 'against a drab white wall' shot is going to be 
>> indicative of how Sergio Green will look outside while riding. 
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 10:31:58 AM UTC-7 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Saw Blue Lug's most recent Instagram story with what looks like some 
>>> pictures of the new Susies in both colors. The green looks substantially 
>>> different than the image on Riv's website. Makes me wish I'd ordered an 
>>> orange...
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Matthew Rebmann]

***Reposting with a correction***
A few things to keep in mind:

-Riding in an upright position will recruit different muscles in your legs 
and butt, you may feel it to be a bit harder to ride fast in this position. 
You will also catch more wind which can slow you down a bit. 
-You should keep in mind the steering axis. If your stem is too short, you 
can create overly "whippy" steering. Making sure your stem is long enough 
will resolve that issue. 
-You'll also likely want a wider saddle.

I have a "drop bar" Surly Midnight Special. It's a great bike but I'm not 
currently in love with the position even though my handlebars are mounted 
higher than my seat. I find that my "golfers elbow" is aggravated by the 
hand position and  I rarely use the drops. I'm also not a racer, I don't 
enjoy super aggressive position in which is why I have my bars mounted 
higher than my saddle. I acquired a Long Haul Trucker that is a small for 
me if I built it with drop bars (albatross bars,) but it's absolutely 
perfect as a swept back build. I'm in a fully upright position on it and I 
use it as my sometimes work-commuter, bop around town bike. I feel I have 
the best viewing angle for checking my surroundings on this bike. I 
recently completed a build of a Velo Orange Polyvalent with their Wave 
bars. I'd say it's right in the middle of a fully upright and neutral drop 
bar position (not dissimilar to my angle on the Midnight Special.) It's 
currently my absolute favorite ride. 

If you have a bike you don't mind spending money to convert, I highly 
recommend it. As Igor from Velo Orange says "change your bars, change your 
life." He highly advocates for switching things up. If you have the dough 
to spend on a new bike built this way, I think the Platypus or the Clem-L 
are calling your name somewhere in the distance...

Midnight Special photo is a little outdated. I no longer have racks on it, 
just a saddle bag support. Considering putting flat bars on it.


Long haul
Polyvalent

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 2:00:33 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> Fellow older person here. I have avoided owning a “fast bike” for years 
> due to drops killin’ me, but I recently acquired this sporty XO-1 and the 
> Albatross bar is perfect for it! I might not actually be fast but I *feel* 
> fast now (compared to my racked and fat-tired Atlantis) so that’s really 
> what matters. Albatross is the GOAT. 
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 09:50, Wesley  wrote:
>
> Hi Jay,
>
> I'll second what's been said here and by Rivendell: the Albatross is the 
> swept-back bar that is least radical / closest to a drop bar.
>
> I first put an Albatross bar on a bike of mine in 2007 and have kept them 
> on at least one bike ever since. Unlike the other swept-back bars that Riv 
> sells, they have a great hand position that is slightly forward of the stem 
> clamp (demonstrated here): 
>
> 
>
>
> It's comfy for long hours on the bike. Like you, I find flat bars 
> uncomfortable (they pain my wrists). With Albatross bars, my wrist position 
> feels neutral and natural, a lot like on the lever tops on drop bars. The 
> Albatross bar is on my everyday bike, with the drop bar road bike being 
> used only when I want a lighter bike.
> -Wes 
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>
>> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
>> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
>> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
>> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
>> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
>> be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
>> get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
>> better?
>>
>> I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't 
>> thought long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly. 
>>  Hopefully you get where I'm coming from.
>>
>> *Quick background*
>> - been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
>> - started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; 
>> tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't 
>> like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; 
>> have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 
>> 'gravel' bikes/riding
>> - I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and 
>> this leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position 
>> on the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength 
>> training; have had numerous bike fits
>> - I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom 
>> made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
>> - I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in 
>> particular when roads are not busy, or on 

[RBW] Re: Susie green color discrepancy

[Aaron Wilson]

Maybe it is just a white balance issue. They just look so starkly 
different. 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 11:50:26 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't think that 'against a drab white wall' shot is going to be 
> indicative of how Sergio Green will look outside while riding. 
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 10:31:58 AM UTC-7 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Saw Blue Lug's most recent Instagram story with what looks like some 
>> pictures of the new Susies in both colors. The green looks substantially 
>> different than the image on Riv's website. Makes me wish I'd ordered an 
>> orange...
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[rltilley]

Sorry to see the custom up for sale! My circa 2000 custom is a wall hanger right now since my needs then don’t match my current needs.I picked up a motorcycle, my first, three years ago and I’m still trying to find time to practice. Lots of work plus caring for my wife’s mother takes up all of my time these days.So my motorcycle gets parked by my Riv custom in the garage waiting for me to use them. As of now all of my riding is utilitarian so anything recreational gets pushed off.I grabbed a KTM 890 Adventure R at the beginning of the pandemic since I felt getting anything later would be a major pain. I wanted something that would be decent on road as well as off with the plan to be able to do camping trips off the beaten path.Robert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn May 8, 2024, at 5:23 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:Motorcycle: I don't know. I think it's going to take a while to sell my Riv at a price I can live with so I'm not real focused on the next step yet. On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:55:23 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:What motorcycle are you going to buy?On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good bike for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for herOn Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:$5k + shipping On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take new pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.htmlJoe Bernard joeremi62 gmail com



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[RBW] Re: Susie green color discrepancy

[Joe Bernard]

I don't think that 'against a drab white wall' shot is going to be 
indicative of how Sergio Green will look outside while riding. 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 10:31:58 AM UTC-7 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> Saw Blue Lug's most recent Instagram story with what looks like some 
> pictures of the new Susies in both colors. The green looks substantially 
> different than the image on Riv's website. Makes me wish I'd ordered an 
> orange...
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Susie green color discrepancy

[Robert Calton]

The periwinkle Sams look a little different on build than the initial color 
sample we saw in the weekly email too. That said, I love the darker green 
on the Susie, but that orange is spicy. 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:31:58 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> Saw Blue Lug's most recent Instagram story with what looks like some 
> pictures of the new Susies in both colors. The green looks substantially 
> different than the image on Riv's website. Makes me wish I'd ordered an 
> orange...
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Matthew Rebmann]

A few things to keep in mind:

-Riding in an upright position will recruit different muscles in your legs 
and butt, you may feel it to be a bit harder to ride fast in this position. 
You will also catch more wind which can slow you down a bit. 
-You should keep in mind the steering axis. If your stem is too short, you 
can create overly "whippy" steering. Making sure your stem is long enough 
will resolve that issue. 
-You'll also likely want a wider saddle.

I have a "drop bar" Surly Midnight Special. It's a great bike but I'm not 
currently in love with the position even though my handlebars are mounted 
higher than my seat. I find that my "golfers elbow" is aggravated by the 
hand position and  I rarely use the drops. I'm also not a racer, I don't 
enjoy super aggressive position in which is why I have my bars mounted 
higher than my saddle. I acquired a Long Haul Trucker that is a small for 
me if I built it with drop bars (albatross bars,) but it's absolutely 
perfect as a swept back build. I'm in a fully upright position on it and I 
use it as my sometimes work-commuter, bop around town bike. I feel I have 
the best viewing angle for checking my surroundings on this bike. I 
recently completed a build of a Velo Orange Polyvalent with their Wave 
bars. I'd say it's right in the middle of a fully upright and neutral drop 
bar position (not dissimilar to my angle on the Midnight Special.) It's 
currently my absolute favorite ride. 

If you have a bike you don't mind spending money to convert, I highly 
recommend it. As Igor from Velo Orange says "change your bars, change your 
life." He highly advocates for switching things up. If you have the dough 
to spend on a new bike built this way, I think the Platypus or the Clem-L 
are calling your name somewhere in the distance...

Midnight Special photo is a little outdated. I no longer have racks on it, 
just a saddle bag support. Considering putting flat bars on it.

Long haul
Polyvalent

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:04:10 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> If you don't have a cruiser-y / townie type bike for more laid back or 
> utilitarian rides, and you have the space and ability to have another bike 
> then I'd definitely recommend an additional bike for this. Though if you 
> have a couple of aggressive drop bar bikes it's certainly possible to 
> convert one for this use.
>
> Albatross and Billie bars are versatile because they can be setup to offer 
> a range of back angle positions depending on where you place your hands. 
>  I've found that using a stem 30-40mm longer than my drop bar stem puts the 
> grips of the Albatross bar in a more upright position than the tops of the 
> drop bar, and moving my hands up to the bends feels like riding on the 
> hoods. You can get even lower by moving into the hooks of the Albatross bar 
> and bending your elbows. 
>
> Tosco bars (which I have on my Platypus) can do similar things but are 
> just a bit less roadish.
>
> On most sweptback bars my primary cruising position is usually between the 
> grips and the bends with the heel of the my hand resting on the grips, the 
> palm of my hand over the brake lever clamp (a low profile clamp is good 
> here), and a couple of fingers resting on/forward of the brake lever body.
>
> You asked if sweptback bars might be good for riding 1-2 hours. They 
> certainly are, but with the range of positions they offer they are also 
> good for rides even longer than that!
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 9:58:54 AM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the responses!  Keep’em coming
>>
>> Tim had some good questions, I’ve tried to answer these below:
>>
>> “…off the bike?”
>> - I have a desk job but I use a sit / stand desk.  Years ago when I got 
>> this, it was a revelation, and really helped a much worse than now, neck; 
>> however, I notice my legs get tired when I’m standing, and again, if I go 
>> for a ride after work, and I’ve been sitting/standing 50-50, my tired legs, 
>> I believe contribute to feeling sluggish on the bike, and perhaps a poor 
>> posture as I have limited power
>> - I walk a lot, stretch, and practice good posture off the bike
>>
>>
>> I thought I would add that I visit my chiropractor for an adjustment 
>> every three weeks. The days shortly after, I am more comfortable on the 
>> bike.  For example, two days after my last adjustment I did a road ride 
>> with my friend, 85km with wind and even snow, I felt great. A few days ago 
>> I did a 60km ride with my friend on a perfect day with very little wind, 
>> and was really sore.  I have a chiro appointment tonight.  As I get close 
>> to the end of that three weeks, I can feel more pain and thus attribute 
>> what’s happening to the spine in the three weeks in between adjustments. 
>>  This is the closest I have to a good diagnosis!
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 7:50 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> There is a lot to unpack here but I think I get the basic gist of what 
>> you 

[RBW] FS: Salsa Casseroll Canti front rack

[Todd G]

Hi all,

I purchased this Salsa Casseroll canti front rack here about 2 weeks ago, 
but have since decided to run a different front rack.

Link to photos  - $80 shipped, 
or $65 picked up in Sacramento, CA

Please feel free to reach out with any questions. 


Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Drew Fitchette]

Good luck with the sale Joe! 

If something isn't serving you, let it go. Glad you love your Clem L so 
much, and looking forward to hearing what Motorcycle you get.

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:13:05 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> First:  I'm surprised to see this, and hope you don't regret it.
>
> Second:  It appears to me that buying motorcycles has become a chore and a 
> waiting game itself.  Almost like the industry never recovered from the 
> Pandemic supply chain disruptions.  So I'd suggest figuring out what you 
> want and getting on a wait list with a dealer, ASAP.
>
> The Honda CT125, for instance, might take a year to get, with very little 
> chance of finding a used one.  (I sold a couple of vintage CT110s a couple 
> of years ago because I was tired of the maintenance and, at 6'2", they were 
> just too small for my son and I.  Great bikes for everything but highways, 
> and as close to a Riv-like equivalent as you can get.  I'm still in some 
> chat groups though, and have been watching others recieve new ones. )  
> Similarly, Ducatis are almost all pre-sold before the season's imports even 
> arrive in the states.(I kid myself that I want a Desert Sled now.)
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:41:31 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Brian, 
>>
>> Those bikes were designed around the same time as my frame (Platypus, 
>> too) so similarities wouldn't surprise me. A main difference would be less 
>> drop in the toptube, I wasn't going for a true mixte. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:17 AM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:
>>
>>> To me, this bike looks very, very similar to the last production run of 
>>> the Roscoe Bubbe, but with fancier lugs and a slightly longer wheelbase. 
>>> What if you were to find one of those in your size, sell both the custom 
>>> and the Clem, then you’d perhaps have a Riv that combines the elements of 
>>> both? 
>>>
>>> Brian 
>>> Lex KY 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[iamkeith]

First:  I'm surprised to see this, and hope you don't regret it.

Second:  It appears to me that buying motorcycles has become a chore and a 
waiting game itself.  Almost like the industry never recovered from the 
Pandemic supply chain disruptions.  So I'd suggest figuring out what you 
want and getting on a wait list with a dealer, ASAP.

The Honda CT125, for instance, might take a year to get, with very little 
chance of finding a used one.  (I sold a couple of vintage CT110s a couple 
of years ago because I was tired of the maintenance and, at 6'2", they were 
just too small for my son and I.  Great bikes for everything but highways, 
and as close to a Riv-like equivalent as you can get.  I'm still in some 
chat groups though, and have been watching others recieve new ones. )  
Similarly, Ducatis are almost all pre-sold before the season's imports even 
arrive in the states.(I kid myself that I want a Desert Sled now.)

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:41:31 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Brian, 
>
> Those bikes were designed around the same time as my frame (Platypus, too) 
> so similarities wouldn't surprise me. A main difference would be less drop 
> in the toptube, I wasn't going for a true mixte. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:17 AM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> To me, this bike looks very, very similar to the last production run of 
>> the Roscoe Bubbe, but with fancier lugs and a slightly longer wheelbase. 
>> What if you were to find one of those in your size, sell both the custom 
>> and the Clem, then you’d perhaps have a Riv that combines the elements of 
>> both? 
>>
>> Brian 
>> Lex KY 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[DavidP]

If you don't have a cruiser-y / townie type bike for more laid back or 
utilitarian rides, and you have the space and ability to have another bike 
then I'd definitely recommend an additional bike for this. Though if you 
have a couple of aggressive drop bar bikes it's certainly possible to 
convert one for this use.

Albatross and Billie bars are versatile because they can be setup to offer 
a range of back angle positions depending on where you place your hands. 
 I've found that using a stem 30-40mm longer than my drop bar stem puts the 
grips of the Albatross bar in a more upright position than the tops of the 
drop bar, and moving my hands up to the bends feels like riding on the 
hoods. You can get even lower by moving into the hooks of the Albatross bar 
and bending your elbows. 

Tosco bars (which I have on my Platypus) can do similar things but are just 
a bit less roadish.

On most sweptback bars my primary cruising position is usually between the 
grips and the bends with the heel of the my hand resting on the grips, the 
palm of my hand over the brake lever clamp (a low profile clamp is good 
here), and a couple of fingers resting on/forward of the brake lever body.

You asked if sweptback bars might be good for riding 1-2 hours. They 
certainly are, but with the range of positions they offer they are also 
good for rides even longer than that!

-Dave





On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 9:58:54 AM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> Thanks for the responses!  Keep’em coming
>
> Tim had some good questions, I’ve tried to answer these below:
>
> “…off the bike?”
> - I have a desk job but I use a sit / stand desk.  Years ago when I got 
> this, it was a revelation, and really helped a much worse than now, neck; 
> however, I notice my legs get tired when I’m standing, and again, if I go 
> for a ride after work, and I’ve been sitting/standing 50-50, my tired legs, 
> I believe contribute to feeling sluggish on the bike, and perhaps a poor 
> posture as I have limited power
> - I walk a lot, stretch, and practice good posture off the bike
>
>
> I thought I would add that I visit my chiropractor for an adjustment every 
> three weeks. The days shortly after, I am more comfortable on the bike. 
>  For example, two days after my last adjustment I did a road ride with my 
> friend, 85km with wind and even snow, I felt great. A few days ago I did a 
> 60km ride with my friend on a perfect day with very little wind, and was 
> really sore.  I have a chiro appointment tonight.  As I get close to the 
> end of that three weeks, I can feel more pain and thus attribute what’s 
> happening to the spine in the three weeks in between adjustments.  This is 
> the closest I have to a good diagnosis!
>
> Jason
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 7:50 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
> 
>
> There is a lot to unpack here but I think I get the basic gist of what you 
> are asking. For reference I ride a drop bar AHH, a drop bar Sam and a 
> Billie bar'd Platy. I'm an older rider and I too suffer some aches and 
> pains while riding. Nothing debilitating but it is noticeable. Sometimes 
> more than others. Like you I experience some aches in my C spine between 
> the shoulder blades. This is from holding my head in a position to see the 
> road in front of me. I am also seated at a computer most of the day while 
> working which can be harmful to your posture if you aren't vigilant. 
>
>  I am not so certain your pain is related to not maintaining a good 
> posture on the bike while riding. I'm not a medical professional and I 
> don't think you would come here for medical advice. At least I hope not 
> LOL! 
>
> I would want to know what you are doing off the bike. You didn't say what 
> you did for work but if are spending your days sitting at a desk and then 
> you hop on your bike to go ride. Your body is in a hunched position all day 
> long and then you are in the same position while you pedal. If that were 
> the case I could see how some aches and pains could crop up. 
>
> Riding an upright style bike on days where you aren't feeling it may help 
> but I'd be more inclined to shorten your ride or not ride at all. Also pay 
> attention to your posture off the bike. Having awareness of your posture 
> during your day to day life will be more beneficial then only making those 
> adjustments while riding. 
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:56:14 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Jay,
>>
>> I have been a roadie for 53 years. I retired my road bike sixteen years 
>> ago. I was growing old. I became tired of riding in the drops. I wanted to 
>> ride upright. My posture in my neck and shoulders were hunched over. 
>>
>> Over the many years, it became a struggle with me trying to find a 
>> bicycle that I could fall in love with again. I went through about four 
>> different bicycles. 
>>
>> In the fall of 2022, I purchased my first Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
>> bicycle. It was a 59cm. Over the course of a little over a year, I 
>> concluded that 

Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Sue J]

John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no bike in 
the bow. Did you give that a try?
Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it sink to 
the bottom of the waterway?

Sue

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:

> Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.
>
> Curtis
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its maiden 
>> voyage down the Salt River. 
>> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
>> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to shove 
>> off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my expectations 
>> for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall bike and body fit just 
>> fine. It's a super fun boat!
>> [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
>> If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!
>>
>> [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Brian, 

Those bikes were designed around the same time as my frame (Platypus, too) 
so similarities wouldn't surprise me. A main difference would be less drop 
in the toptube, I wasn't going for a true mixte. 

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:17 AM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:

> To me, this bike looks very, very similar to the last production run of 
> the Roscoe Bubbe, but with fancier lugs and a slightly longer wheelbase. 
> What if you were to find one of those in your size, sell both the custom 
> and the Clem, then you’d perhaps have a Riv that combines the elements of 
> both?
>
> Brian
> Lex KY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Brian Turner]

To me, this bike looks very, very similar to the last production run of the 
Roscoe Bubbe, but with fancier lugs and a slightly longer wheelbase. What if 
you were to find one of those in your size, sell both the custom and the Clem, 
then you’d perhaps have a Riv that combines the elements of both?

Brian
Lex KY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Jason Noonievut]

Thanks for the responses!  Keep’em comingTim had some good questions, I’ve tried to answer these below:“…off the bike?”- I have a desk job but I use a sit / stand desk.  Years ago when I got this, it was a revelation, and really helped a much worse than now, neck; however, I notice my legs get tired when I’m standing, and again, if I go for a ride after work, and I’ve been sitting/standing 50-50, my tired legs, I believe contribute to feeling sluggish on the bike, and perhaps a poor posture as I have limited power- I walk a lot, stretch, and practice good posture off the bikeI thought I would add that I visit my chiropractor for an adjustment every three weeks. The days shortly after, I am more comfortable on the bike.  For example, two days after my last adjustment I did a road ride with my friend, 85km with wind and even snow, I felt great. A few days ago I did a 60km ride with my friend on a perfect day with very little wind, and was really sore.  I have a chiro appointment tonight.  As I get close to the end of that three weeks, I can feel more pain and thus attribute what’s happening to the spine in the three weeks in between adjustments.  This is the closest I have to a good diagnosis!JasonOn May 9, 2024, at 7:50 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:There is a lot to unpack here but I think I get the basic gist of what you are asking. For reference I ride a drop bar AHH, a drop bar Sam and a Billie bar'd Platy. I'm an older rider and I too suffer some aches and pains while riding. Nothing debilitating but it is noticeable. Sometimes more than others. Like you I experience some aches in my C spine between the shoulder blades. This is from holding my head in a position to see the road in front of me. I am also seated at a computer most of the day while working which can be harmful to your posture if you aren't vigilant.  I am not so certain your pain is related to not maintaining a good posture on the bike while riding. I'm not a medical professional and I don't think you would come here for medical advice. At least I hope not LOL! I would want to know what you are doing off the bike. You didn't say what you did for work but if are spending your days sitting at a desk and then you hop on your bike to go ride. Your body is in a hunched position all day long and then you are in the same position while you pedal. If that were the case I could see how some aches and pains could crop up. Riding an upright style bike on days where you aren't feeling it may help but I'd be more inclined to shorten your ride or not ride at all. Also pay attention to your posture off the bike. Having awareness of your posture during your day to day life will be more beneficial then only making those adjustments while riding. On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:56:14 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:@Jay,I have been a roadie for 53 years. I retired my road bike sixteen years ago. I was growing old. I became tired of riding in the drops. I wanted to ride upright. My posture in my neck and shoulders were hunched over. Over the many years, it became a struggle with me trying to find a bicycle that I could fall in love with again. I went through about four different bicycles. In the fall of 2022, I purchased my first Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle. It was a 59cm. Over the course of a little over a year, I concluded that the 59cm size was not working for me. It was too large. I sold it. I found and bought a 52cm Clem as a "Demo" at RBW headquarters last November.  Since then, I have adapted very well in riding the 52cm Clem. It fits me a lot better than the 59cm. I am very happy with it. I have the Nitto Bosco 58cm handlebars. These bars I really love for an upright riding position. I have zero weight bearing down on them. All my weight is on the seat and back tire. When I come home from my rides, I feel my posture is a lot straighter, than before. I ride mostly pavement on the nearby trails near where I live. Occasionally, I will go off road, when the feeling for adventure strikes me.The only problem I have is a personal issue in discomfort with the 
loss of subcutaneous fat on my bum riding my saddle at 69 years old. I am nearing a resolution with optimism. Kim Hetzel. As one grows older, the handlebars get higher and the gears get lower.On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:15:45 PM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:What Doug said, almost exactly x2.Long time Roadie here but transitioned to MTB about 15 years ago - now 69. Never had serious issues with properly fit road bike. But after a lot of MTB riding it never felt right again. However, I started having pretty serious hand/wrist issues with straight MTB bars. Bought my Clem to have something comfortable to ride when not mountain biking. Instantly comfortable for all rides/surfaces and for up to six+ hours. So I got a Gus to have a swept back MTB. Both are superbly comfortable. Now I am back riding road/gravel when I do not want to drive to the trail. But when I do drive to the trail it’s more fun than 

[RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Sarah Carlson]

I just built a lovely Homer that fills that riding gap, but I do plan to 
watch other people build theirs LEAH!

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

>
> Sarah - thanks! Are you thinking of getting one?
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:30:15 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you for this Valerie, your post made my morning!
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and many 
>>> others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. 
>>>
>>> I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars when I 
>>> was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding phase was 
>>> also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, CO and the 
>>> club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local routes. But I am 
>>> introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a few folks 
>>> with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a trip with 
>>> HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own pace. I enjoy 
>>> the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any expectation 
>>> of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, started by 
>>> doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and offers trips 
>>> across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, fully 
>>> supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if that ever 
>>> interests you or anyone else reading this. 
>>>
>>> My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: 
>>> Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.
>>>
>>> To me, the Roadeo feels absolutely plush, smooth, and elegant compared 
>>> to the too small, too stiff, carbon-framed, low-barred, skinny-tired road 
>>> bike I was persuaded to get when I moved to Boulder to fit in on rides with 
>>> various clubs. That bike is long gone. The shorter wheel-base, stiffer 
>>> tubing, and skinner tires of the Roadeo makes it much more taut and spare 
>>> feeling than the Gallop. For me, the Roadeo is the ultimate, classic road 
>>> bike for challenging myself on paved rides -- whether going fast or 
>>> climbing on my own or riding with faster friends.   
>>>
>>> The long-length, fat-swoop tubing, and fatter-tire capability of the 
>>> Gallop seems more like a lightweight, road-oriented Susie, to me. Less 
>>> concern about potholes and road texture than on the Roadeo and more 
>>> playful, all-day comfort. Since I haven't actually tried it on the rides I 
>>> do with the Roadeo, I can't say for sure how it compares. Its performance 
>>> could surprise me. In any event, I think the Gallop will be really fun and 
>>> a great intro to drop bars coming from the the upright models you've been 
>>> riding. I am eager to read your ride reports. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:51:38 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Valerie, well you’re an undiscovered treasure. I haven’t had the 
 privilege to know you but just reading this reveals that you are a 
 RivSister with a wealth of bike information and we NEED you here. Wow! It 
 was oddly like reading a Bill Lindsey post with all the talk of 
 incorporating a new bike into your collection and using it for certain 
 subsets of rides. If you two don’t know each other I think you should get 
 acquainted! 

 Thanks for taking the time and offering your opinion about this bike. I 
 really think it could be a good first road bike for me, and a good one to 
 experiment with drops. I’m so late getting into serious riding (I found 
 Riv 
 at 31 and was raising little kids but now am 3 years from empty-nesting) 
 and I feel so behind. Everyone else seems like they had their drop bar 
 phase and club riding phase in their 20s and maybe 30s. I never rode a 
 group ride until I was 41. It’s a lot, so I’m very appreciative when other 
 people (especially women) will share what they know. It really, truly 
 helps.

 One question: Why do you think the Roadini is more like your Roadeo 
 than your Gallop? What makes the Roadini and the Gallop different, do you 
 think?

 Thanks again for this thread!
 Leah

 On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:13:15 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Following up on Leah's questions in a new thread (and in a new order).
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this 
> bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club 
> ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you 
> bought 
> your Charlie? 
>
>
> *What was the reason you bought your Charlie?  *
> In general, I like to buy used/demo bikes to try them 

[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Valerie Yates]

Hi Joe! I am as surprised as everyone  and also impressed how you are 
constantly assessing what works for you and where you want to be. I would 
love to see more pics, including the current drivetrain, the handlebar stem 
area, and the seatpost with height measurement without a bag on it. I love 
the idea of a fatter tired road-oriented drop tube bike. Is the tubing like 
Roadini or more like Sam (more stout)? Is the length like Roadini or is it 
one of the longer models? From the pic, it looks possibly similar in shape 
to the new Gallop but the tubing and length look more traditional (apart 
from, the snazzy drop tube and high-viz handlebars). What does it feel like 
to ride compared to your other Rivs? At my lower weight than yours, I 
wonder if this would be a good gravel/climbing bike (slot currently filled 
by a 53 Atlantis, old style). 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:02:44 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> If the Clem satisfies your needs I understand why you'd sell the custom. 
> Life throws curve balls at times and forces us to make hard decisions. So, 
> no second guessing here from me. Just be careful riding a motorcycle! I 
> love two wheels but not at 60+ mph. :)
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:56:53 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>
>> If you sell it, you'll kick yourself later, I'm sure. And we'll have to 
>> listen to it ;)
>>
>> When you ride it, it's a custom.
>> To anyone else, it's a well-made used bicycle.
>>
>> Save up for the motor bike, and watch for deals. 
>> Unlike a motorcycle, your bicycle doesn't cost anything just sitting 
>> there.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:40:28 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Bill, 
>>>
>>> I'm not convinced the custom will sell at a price I can live with so 
>>> there's every possibility it shall remain with me. Selling the Clem would 
>>> be a possibility but there's not much money in it, I'm not sure it would be 
>>> worth the trouble. Also I just really like the Clem, I love the color and 
>>> its utilitarian non-precious vibe. The truth is if I had known in 2018 what 
>>> my riding preferences and mileage would be at 62-years-old I would heve 
>>> just kept the Clem.L I had then and been happy. Who knew?? 路
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:07:53 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 What are the chances you'll leave it out there, change your mind and 
 sell the Clem instead?  That's the outcome I'm rooting for.  A Rivendell 
 custom is Grant creating a one-of-a-kind bike just for you.  A Clem is 
 fungible.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA



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[RBW] Re: Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[Steve]

Doug, I have used the following approach to run bar end shifter cabling 
beneath ESI grips: 
- Remove the shifters from the bars and fully withdraw the cable from the 
housing.
- Re-insert the cable into the housing leaving the shifter out of the 
equation at this point.
- Secure the housing with the cable in place to the bars by taping it just 
forward of the area which will be covered by the grip. Let the cable extend 
an inch or so  beyond the end of the bar.
- Lubricate the interior of the grip and  the bar along with the cable with 
a suitable product. I recommend alcohol gel hand sanitizer. (once the 
alcohol evaporates the grip will be secure)
- Slide the grip over the bar and cable housing - douse the bar with 
additional sanitizer if necessary. Work quickly.
- With the grip in place adjust  the position of the housing then withdraw 
the cable.
- Install the mount for the shifter and then thread the cable through the 
shifter lever, the mount and back into the housing. 
- Pull or push the cable forward to bring the lever into position on its 
mount and secure it in place. 
- There you have it!

Steve
On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:37:14 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I also 
> installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for grips 
> but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used padding 
> or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've also 
> considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. Any 
> examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
> Doug
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Eric M.'s new video: Shop tour, favorite workshops, tool organization and my next bicycle build

[JohnS]

Thank you Eric for the feedback, that is a Swift. I have another one on my 
'82 Sequoia. They are my favorite saddle for my drop bar bikes replacing 
the Selle Anatomica X. The pics were taken with my Velo Orange Camp Snap 
camera (grainy quality is a feature, I suppose).

JohnS
On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:06:49 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> JohnS: Thanks for the pics, nice looking Bolt there, love all the brown. 
> How's the Swift? Or is that a Swallow? I need a brown saddle for my 
> Hillborne and like the fit of the black Brooks Pro I have. Love the shop 
> and the grainy photos! That's the stuff. Thanks for sharing. 
>
> George: Well that's a beautiful level you have there, are you sure you 
> want to go through the trouble of sending it my way? Have you checked it 
> for accuracy? Sometimes those old spirit levels can have problems with the 
> vials and bubbles. I have a full set of Stabila levels so I am equipped 
> though that old Stanley sure is handsome... 
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 1:50:22 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Eric - since you have a fascination with old tools that kind of have 
>> class or character, would you be interested in this very old *wooden* 
>> carpenter's 
>> level?  I believe that it belonged to my great uncle who was a physician, 
>> not a tradesman, but someone who used to like working with wood and doing a 
>> lot of things by himself as an amateur handyman.  On the metal parts it 
>> says "Stanley rule and level."  There are no inch markings anyplace, but 
>> the dimensions are suspiciously identical to what a carpenter would use for 
>> measuring typical construction widths and lengths: it's 2 ft. long x 3.125" 
>> wide x 1.325" thick.  It can be yours for the asking if you're interested.  
>> I'm trying to get rid of as much of my stash of stuff as possible as I head 
>> into the mid-70's.
>>
>> [image: DSCN1050.JPG]
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 8:47:48 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> JohnS: I clicked the link and got a 404. Would love to see the Bolt, 
>>> those are really sweet bikes. 
>>>
>>> Steve: Thanks, bud! Rob Gassie removed the bottom bracket, he's the 
>>> frame builder who stripped and painted the bike for me. He said he put the 
>>> frame in his alignment table (really big fixture, lots of clamps, allowed 
>>> for maximum torque) and was able to bust it loose. I don't know the origins 
>>> of my Sam but there were many details about the build that leave me 
>>> thinking it was not originally assembled very carefully. 
>>>
>>> Roberta: Thank you for watching! Garden's looking even better now, just 
>>> a few weeks later. Though I noticed yesterday a groundhog ate one of my 
>>> coleus plants. 
>>>
>>> George: Thank you thank you. The glasses are a P3 shape but I didn't 
>>> think the lenses were particularly thick? I think of pop bottle glasses as 
>>> having the effect of looking through the bottom of an old glass Coca-Cola 
>>> bottle... I still wear glasses, wearing them right now. My hair's naturally 
>>> pretty dark but I haven't had a haircut since Nov 2022 and I spend a lot of 
>>> time in the sun so it's lighter from exposure.  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-4 george schick wrote:
>>>
 Eric - an excellent filming of your workshop and exterior plantings.  
 What a nice place to live and do your work.  I was reminded, though, of a 
 similar but not quite as professional episode as this one from several 
 years ago where you were doing a rebuild of a mixte that your "partner's" 
 parents gave her - some Japanese manufacturer, I think.  I recognized that 
 the scenes of your shop are the same as your current video, but it's a 
 "different Eric Marth!"  Pop bottle glasses, dark hair, etc.  What 
 happened?

 On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 10:00:47 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks everyone for watchin'! 
>
> Marty: The Match Game was before my time but I certainly came up with 
> Bob Barker. The $20 corded mic I bought just didn't seem right clipped to 
> my shirt so I went for the long mic. 
>
> Patrick: I appreciate the kind notes. Sorry about the SW gardening 
> woes, I know nothing of gardening in that clime. I've had my own troubles 
> here! I was in a different house about 10 years ago and the garden was a 
> lot of work but it was abundant and without many difficulties. The soil 
> and 
> sun are different in this spot and growing has taken a lot of trial and 
> error. I'm finally getting the hang of things. A groundhog just showed up 
> on the scene, I saw them (unsure if it's a male or female) heartily 
> eating 
> some lettuce while sitting in the raised bed earlier this week! It's 
> fenced 
> off but they found a way in. I have to admit it was kind of cute, holding 
> a 
> huge piece of lettuce, but it still left me cursing. I'm glad you like 
> the 
> tools!

[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Doug H.]

If the Clem satisfies your needs I understand why you'd sell the custom. 
Life throws curve balls at times and forces us to make hard decisions. So, 
no second guessing here from me. Just be careful riding a motorcycle! I 
love two wheels but not at 60+ mph. :)
Doug

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:56:53 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:

> If you sell it, you'll kick yourself later, I'm sure. And we'll have to 
> listen to it ;)
>
> When you ride it, it's a custom.
> To anyone else, it's a well-made used bicycle.
>
> Save up for the motor bike, and watch for deals. 
> Unlike a motorcycle, your bicycle doesn't cost anything just sitting there.
>
> cheers -mathias
>
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:40:28 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Bill, 
>>
>> I'm not convinced the custom will sell at a price I can live with so 
>> there's every possibility it shall remain with me. Selling the Clem would 
>> be a possibility but there's not much money in it, I'm not sure it would be 
>> worth the trouble. Also I just really like the Clem, I love the color and 
>> its utilitarian non-precious vibe. The truth is if I had known in 2018 what 
>> my riding preferences and mileage would be at 62-years-old I would heve 
>> just kept the Clem.L I had then and been happy. Who knew?? 路
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:07:53 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> What are the chances you'll leave it out there, change your mind and 
>>> sell the Clem instead?  That's the outcome I'm rooting for.  A Rivendell 
>>> custom is Grant creating a one-of-a-kind bike just for you.  A Clem is 
>>> fungible.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Tim Bantham]

There is a lot to unpack here but I think I get the basic gist of what you 
are asking. For reference I ride a drop bar AHH, a drop bar Sam and a 
Billie bar'd Platy. I'm an older rider and I too suffer some aches and 
pains while riding. Nothing debilitating but it is noticeable. Sometimes 
more than others. Like you I experience some aches in my C spine between 
the shoulder blades. This is from holding my head in a position to see the 
road in front of me. I am also seated at a computer most of the day while 
working which can be harmful to your posture if you aren't vigilant. 

 I am not so certain your pain is related to not maintaining a good posture 
on the bike while riding. I'm not a medical professional and I don't think 
you would come here for medical advice. At least I hope not LOL! 

I would want to know what you are doing off the bike. You didn't say what 
you did for work but if are spending your days sitting at a desk and then 
you hop on your bike to go ride. Your body is in a hunched position all day 
long and then you are in the same position while you pedal. If that were 
the case I could see how some aches and pains could crop up. 

Riding an upright style bike on days where you aren't feeling it may help 
but I'd be more inclined to shorten your ride or not ride at all. Also pay 
attention to your posture off the bike. Having awareness of your posture 
during your day to day life will be more beneficial then only making those 
adjustments while riding. 
On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:56:14 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Jay,
>
> I have been a roadie for 53 years. I retired my road bike sixteen years 
> ago. I was growing old. I became tired of riding in the drops. I wanted to 
> ride upright. My posture in my neck and shoulders were hunched over. 
>
> Over the many years, it became a struggle with me trying to find a bicycle 
> that I could fall in love with again. I went through about four different 
> bicycles. 
>
> In the fall of 2022, I purchased my first Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
> bicycle. It was a 59cm. Over the course of a little over a year, I 
> concluded that the 59cm size was not working for me. It was too large. I 
> sold it. I found and bought a 52cm Clem as a "Demo" at RBW headquarters 
> last November.  
>
> Since then, I have adapted very well in riding the 52cm Clem. It fits me a 
> lot better than the 59cm. I am very happy with it. I have the Nitto Bosco 
> 58cm handlebars. These bars I really love for an upright riding position. I 
> have zero weight bearing down on them. All my weight is on the seat and 
> back tire. When I come home from my rides, I feel my posture is a lot 
> straighter, than before. 
>
> I ride mostly pavement on the nearby trails near where I live. 
> Occasionally, I will go off road, when the feeling for adventure strikes me.
>
> The only problem I have is a personal issue in discomfort with the loss of 
> subcutaneous fat on my bum riding my saddle at 69 years old. I am nearing a 
> resolution with optimism. 
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> As one grows older, the handlebars get higher and the gears get lower.
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:15:45 PM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> What Doug said, almost exactly x2.
>> Long time Roadie here but transitioned to MTB about 15 years ago - now 
>> 69. Never had serious issues with properly fit road bike. But after a lot 
>> of MTB riding it never felt right again. However, I started having pretty 
>> serious hand/wrist issues with straight MTB bars. Bought my Clem to have 
>> something comfortable to ride when not mountain biking. Instantly 
>> comfortable for all rides/surfaces and for up to six+ hours. So I got a Gus 
>> to have a swept back MTB. Both are superbly comfortable. Now I am back 
>> riding road/gravel when I do not want to drive to the trail. But when I do 
>> drive to the trail it’s more fun than ever.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 8, 2024, at 9:45 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> When I bought my Clem Smith Jr it was a revelation in riding. I had 
>> ridden mostly drop bars for many years and like you I would have shoulder 
>> and neck pain after long rides. The Clem with Tosco bars and an upright 
>> riding position solved my aches and pains immediately. I also discovered I 
>> could ride for 3 hours without pain and my mileage wasn't much less than 
>> with a "road bike". I recently bought a Roadini with drop bars. The bars 
>> were up nice and high so I don't think I would have experienced neck or 
>> shoulder pain. But, I decided to swap the drop bars for Albatross bars. 
>> Swept back bars are my preferred and only bars now.  This is what works for 
>> me but I don't recommend it to people necessarily. I just share my 
>> experience and preferences if asked. Another thing about an upright posture 
>> is being able to take in the scenery better as I ride. Like I said, it was 
>> a revelation for me and has transformed my riding experience.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, 

[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Mathias Steiner]

If you sell it, you'll kick yourself later, I'm sure. And we'll have to 
listen to it ;)

When you ride it, it's a custom.
To anyone else, it's a well-made used bicycle.

Save up for the motor bike, and watch for deals. 
Unlike a motorcycle, your bicycle doesn't cost anything just sitting there.

cheers -mathias


On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:40:28 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Bill, 
>
> I'm not convinced the custom will sell at a price I can live with so 
> there's every possibility it shall remain with me. Selling the Clem would 
> be a possibility but there's not much money in it, I'm not sure it would be 
> worth the trouble. Also I just really like the Clem, I love the color and 
> its utilitarian non-precious vibe. The truth is if I had known in 2018 what 
> my riding preferences and mileage would be at 62-years-old I would heve 
> just kept the Clem.L I had then and been happy. Who knew?? 路
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:07:53 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> What are the chances you'll leave it out there, change your mind and sell 
>> the Clem instead?  That's the outcome I'm rooting for.  A Rivendell custom 
>> is Grant creating a one-of-a-kind bike just for you.  A Clem is fungible.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen Photo Thread

[Tim Bantham]

I was on a ride with Paul at the Nutmeg Nor'Easter. I asked him how he 
liked his AHH. He emphatically replied, "this is the best bike in the 
world"!! Three years later I have an AHH of my own. Paul was right. 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:04:11 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Paul has neglected to share the beautiful patina that his bronze headbadge 
> has acquired. Trust me, it's really good! 
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 2:00:12 PM UTC-4 Paul Richardson wrote:
>
>> here's mine--a 67cm waterford i've had since 2011, and had repainted in 
>> wisconsin last year (just in time!).  it's the best bike in the world.  
>>
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[Andrew Joseph]

Hey Brian,One vote for the more classic green with brown accents…Now, if the Romanceur is gone, and you decide to sell the Roadini…I would do Periwinkle.  If the Roadini and the rest of your stable stays, I think you will love the green and it would complement the others well.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 9, 2024, at 12:18 AM, Brian Watts  wrote:Howdy! I'm very excited to snag a Sam next Wednesday; I'll move over my Crust Romanceur bits: albatross, Paul Canti, White Ind. cranks etc. I'm so torn on the colors!! Fun bright periwinkle with more subdued accents or classic green with brown accents. INPUT??On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:14:34 AM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com wrote:Howdy gang,After an unsuccessful attempt at finding a 58 Mustard Homer…I take delivery of this size 57, new to me, Sam today! I am pumped, and it should be an excellent canvas as a HiHo Silver specimen.I wanted to take a moment in light of recent scammy trends and briefly introduce myself. Happy to answer any follow up questions as well.  I returned to bikes following a nominal investment in the bike infrastructure by Oklahoma City leadership.  But the investment did at least provide a system of trails and paved pathways that allows for a good amount of riding off of the roadway.  Unfortunately, I have had close friends struck and killed by vehicles on bikes and motorcycles.  The environment has to be nearly perfect for me to feel even remotely comfortable touring on roads exclusively.  The level of trust road cyclists have in the drivers passing by has always fascinated me.  Driving is one of the most dangerous activities we can engage in.  Anyhow enough of that.  I began with Surly bikes, then quickly to Crust bikes, and finally…thanks to Blue Lug photography inspiration, a 58 Homer.  The Homer is currently my favorite Riv.  I have owned an orange Ram that was slightly too tall and an Atlantis 2 that could have worked but required some significant frame repair.  Sold both bikes to Jarrod Bunk, an incredible person and former owner of Hope Cyclery. James knocked out the Homer build and Rich built a White/dynamo Quill wheelset. The bike fit like a tailored suit.  My build was loosely modeled after the interpretation of James Homer prior to his latest Staff bike mods.  Why did I sell it?  Possibly the very cool buyer, maybe an attempt to cull bikes that couldn’t perform as well in NWA dirt touring (what was I thinking?), impulse, maybe some guilt in owning more bikes than my Wife (my best bud).  I do regret selling it.  But always forward. I traded a Crust Bombora for the Sam that I realized very quickly I was attempting to make more comfortable and upright like my Homer. I acknowledged this and happily traded.  Hence the remaining ENVE wheels and White crankset I posted on the group recently. Let’s see, I have more than a few kiddos, three of the kids now ride also which is such a joy and I also train BJJ, weight lift/run.  Some questions…The cockpit worked well for me, with an 80mm lugged stem and 90 reach Crust Shaka bar.  I have received some helpful feedback already regarding this Sam.  I would like to have a similar cockpit, if not the same with a Noodle or Shaka bar. Do I need a shorter stem?I have a new 85mm 90-190 stem.  I wouldn’t mind running the Shaka again.  Or snag a 70/80 stem to try the Noodle?Either way, I hope to buy a longer lugged stem from Jim and pick up an Albatross down the road.  I certainly hope to try that one day. Anyone have any feedback on the H SON PLUS wheelset?  No experience beyond Velocity and Crust wheels.  Also my first experience with Campy. Will also be switching the saddle, seatpost, pedals, adding Moon Units, cages, and cable cherries.Photos of my previous Homer, and the Sam as it will arrive (hopefully)…Hope everyone is having a great week so far. Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 29, 2024, at 12:30 AM, Tom  wrote:<2_sams.JPG>Been a long while since I've posted here...I'm getting back to biking more these days, and enjoying reading about these wonderful bikes, esp. those of the newcomers to the Riv family.    The Sam is my favorite Riv.  The ol' 58 with albatross bars in the last pic used to be mine until my wife decided she needed it.  So I got another 58, set it up with a noodle bar and really enjoyed it.  For various reasons I sold my 58 and dabbled with a several other Riv models for a while.  They were fun, too!  But I missed that Sam.  Late in 2019 Riv had a great deal on a batch of older Sams, so a 62 dbl top tube f/f/hs found its way into my garage, and I built it up.  Still have it and recently began to enjoy it greatly as a relaxed run-a-bout.But I still miss that 58 with noodle bar.  If anyone has one (or a 57 Roadini) please let me know.  Thanks!Tom On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 1:35:39 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:After seeing various Sam owners pictures here and there on various threads I thought I would start a thread dedicated to the versatile Sam's.Perhaps such a