[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road Custom, 62.5cm

[ssimarsawhney]

The bike is on hold. Will update with more info if things change. 

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:48:43 AM UTC-7 ssimarsawhney wrote:

> Sure! I just measured it at 23.5", or somewhere around 59.5cm. 
>
> i agree this is an interesting bike. I'm also a long legs, short torso 
> rider so its pretty interesting this bike worked for me. I ride it pretty 
> often - its been my default bike for quick, fast rides and I've even 
> rando-ed on it. The whole time i had it, i thought it was a 60cm! I usually 
> set my saddle height and other touch points by feel. 
>
> Best,
> SImar 
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:05:59 AM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Simar,
>>
>> That's an interesting bike...half a world away from Michigan.
>> The build sheet shows the owner as not that tall but with long legs -- 
>> 72" and 89 PBH.
>>
>> You at 5'9 had to get a little creative with the stem, but the picture in 
>> the ad shows you remarkably upright on such a tall frame.
>>
>> Could you please tell us the top tube length measured center-to-center?
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 10:10:11 PM UTC-4 ssimar@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Also, here is the build sheet. Let me know if you have any questions! 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:08:21 PM UTC-7 ssimarsawhney wrote:
>>>
 For sale is my 2003 62.5cm Rivendell Road Custom. Looking for $2200 
 plus shipping (if not local to SF Bay).

 [image: riv road.jpeg]

 I acquired this last year from the original owner who hadn’t ridden it 
 much. It’s painted by Joe Bell and features some incredible lugs. I’ve 
 changed a few things and ridden it since, but it’s still in excellent 
 condition. 

 More images can be found in the craigslist post:

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-60cm-rivendell-road-custom/7745261610.html

 Bike has a lot of nice parts. Only things you don’t get to keep are the 
 pedals, saddle, cages and basket (rack is included). Some highlights:

 - Ritchey logic crankset, 44/34
 - Mavic Open Pro rims laced to Chris King hubs (32h)
 - Chris King 2-nut headset
 - Rapid rise Shimano Deore derailleur
 - Discord components 0mm stem
 - Nitto RM3 handlebars
 - Nitto seat post
 - Soma 700x38c tires
 - TRP RRL drilled levers

 Best,
 Simar 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Doug - nice looking bike! Sharp and sleek. I love albatross bars. Can we 
see a close up of your grips? Have you posted about them previously? They 
look great.

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:07:34 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> This is a fun thread to follow. Valerie your stable of bikes is so nice! 
> And, I enjoy reading your posts as it's obvious you have so much knowledge 
> to offer. Keep it coming. I just recently bought a Roadini after selling my 
> beloved Clem Smith Jr. I wanted a bicycle more suited for road riding and 
> the Roadini has proven to be just that. I did set it up with Albatross bars 
> for a more upright position. I don't ride in groups so can't say with 
> experience that the Roadini is suited for that endeavor. But, I would say 
> that it is without much reservation.
>
> [image: IMG_0998.JPEG]
> Doug
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:50:30 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky smooth. 
>> Entirely 
>> comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. Which is why I was able 
>> to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best life. 
>>
>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it 
>> and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up, 
>> order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is 
>> pending, then it depends on price and timing.  
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
>>> road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky 
>>> to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
>>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
>>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise 
>>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>>>
>>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
>>> bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused 
>>> about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their 
>>> expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
>>> Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
>>> while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
>>> I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
>>> promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)
>>>
>>> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
>>> commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
>>> Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
>>> your hella colorful collection
>>>
>>> -Brent in chicago
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is SO fun. 

 Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
 answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
 were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope 
 we 
 get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
 Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
 model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
 That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a 
 great 
 choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the 
 used 
 market? So far there have been none to be found…
 L

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Me either!
>
> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>
> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom 
> currently on offer at a very reasonable price…
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing 
> in 
> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
>> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
>> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>>
>> [image: IMG_6222]
>>
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three 
>> shown in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a 
>> 

[RBW] Re: The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Jacob Tobey]

I'll be visiting from Seattle to attend the Sunday event, as well as pick 
up my Atlantis that I bought from a fellow list member. And if there's 
anyone on here who's driving from the OC area to Pasadena for Saturday's 
ride, I'd love to tag along! I imagine it's a long shot, but I'd love to do 
some riding while i'm there and the single scoop would be the perfect 
excuse.

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 6:38:54 PM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:

> Just realized it’s next weekend, but my reservation about its being too 
> long a ride still stands
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 6:58:59 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> It’s too far for me, and I have early Mother’s day plans with my son and 
>> his wife, but have fun
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:27:05 PM UTC-7 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:
>>
>>> Armand, you gotta do it on the platy! now that you've finished building 
>>> it up, what a perfect chance to get some paint chips from the triple scoop
>>>
>>> hope you can share some of the experience on here for us poor souls 
>>> unable to get out there for the weekend
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:50:10 PM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
 @Brian -- Haha, if by double scoop, you mean to swing by Jones' coffee 
 for some Fosselman's ice cream, I'm with you brother!!  (:

 @Neale -- I'll definitely be there on Sunday, and intermittently on 
 Saturday (as time permits). Kinda want to buy a Cub House hoodie, so 
 this'll be the perfect excuse to stop by. Keep me posted if you do the 
 basket ridecurrently trying to schedule childcare so I can attend.  
 /tony-crosses-fingers 
 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 10:10:59 AM UTC-7 Neale S. wrote:

> I did the double scoop last year on my Atlantis! Would love to see all 
> of you there again next weekend. The vibe is usually impeccable. Also 
> there's a special Thursday-night basket ride with the Blue Lug folks, 
> which 
> should be a good time. 
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:09:24 AM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Armand is not getting me to sign up for the triple scoop. Even the 
>> single scoop option sounds brutal enough to me, with 4100 ft elevation 
>> gain 
>> over 27 miles, but Tony, I'll suffer through it with you if you want to 
>> try 
>> the single scoop!
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:07:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:28:41 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This will be a fun weekend put on by the Cub House bicycle/plant 
>>> shop in Pasadena, CA. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I really wish I was going to be there. Take and post photos!
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Dorothy C]

Just realized it’s next weekend, but my reservation about its being too 
long a ride still stands

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 6:58:59 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:

> It’s too far for me, and I have early Mother’s day plans with my son and 
> his wife, but have fun
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:27:05 PM UTC-7 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:
>
>> Armand, you gotta do it on the platy! now that you've finished building 
>> it up, what a perfect chance to get some paint chips from the triple scoop
>>
>> hope you can share some of the experience on here for us poor souls 
>> unable to get out there for the weekend
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:50:10 PM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> @Brian -- Haha, if by double scoop, you mean to swing by Jones' coffee 
>>> for some Fosselman's ice cream, I'm with you brother!!  (:
>>>
>>> @Neale -- I'll definitely be there on Sunday, and intermittently on 
>>> Saturday (as time permits). Kinda want to buy a Cub House hoodie, so 
>>> this'll be the perfect excuse to stop by. Keep me posted if you do the 
>>> basket ridecurrently trying to schedule childcare so I can attend.  
>>> /tony-crosses-fingers 
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 10:10:59 AM UTC-7 Neale S. wrote:
>>>
 I did the double scoop last year on my Atlantis! Would love to see all 
 of you there again next weekend. The vibe is usually impeccable. Also 
 there's a special Thursday-night basket ride with the Blue Lug folks, 
 which 
 should be a good time. 

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:09:24 AM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Armand is not getting me to sign up for the triple scoop. Even the 
> single scoop option sounds brutal enough to me, with 4100 ft elevation 
> gain 
> over 27 miles, but Tony, I'll suffer through it with you if you want to 
> try 
> the single scoop!
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:07:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:28:41 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> This will be a fun weekend put on by the Cub House bicycle/plant shop 
>> in Pasadena, CA. 
>>
>>
>> I really wish I was going to be there. Take and post photos!
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>
>

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[RBW] East Bay Dirty Route Recs

[Patch T]

Hi Folks,

Looking for some ride & route recommendations in the East Bay; rides that 
mix paved and unpaved roads that smartly link & loop together nice 
sections, great scenery, challenging bits and chill bits. 

Preferences that are in no way fixed requirements:

- any length, but ideally in the 35-65 mi range (but open to longer!)

- starting/ending: ideally somewhere near a BART station. 

- doable with 650b x 48mm knobbies (ie not a mountain bike) 

- bonus points for food/beverage related pit stop/s


Thanks so much!
Patch in Oakland

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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

Hey Takashi,  Yes, indeed, it's a lovely way to travel. Very serene for the 
most part. I would have enjoyed this boat when I road along the Nyodo River 
on Shikoku.

Cheers, John

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:36:00 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Hey Robert, I remember seeing this once upon a time. Perhaps it's where 
> the seed of my idea to get my bike in a boat came from. Very cool, indeed!
>
> Hey Patrick, It's hard to say. The Alpackaraft may be a little more 
> particular about where the bike is placed, but time from arrival to launch 
> is probably similar. I do imagine that Wes is correct- the Alpackaraft 
> weighs only 5lbs, and that's pretty tough to beat.
>
> In the end, I agree with Patrick: any bike/boat combo is just plain fun!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:15:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Tom Lutz seems to have accommodated himself and his Brompton to the mass 
>> of his Fliptail. I'd guess that with the wheels (or is it a minimalist 
>> trailer?) and flat terrain that even a weighty boat is less of a problem 
>> than, say, the inflatable 2-person kayaks that my next door neighbors have 
>> (fun fact: he was a brazer for Serrotta back when Serrotta did lugged steel 
>> bikes) which take a while to deflate, dry, and roll up.
>>
>> John: what do you think: is your boat easier to manipulate between bike 
>> packing and floating and back again than this Fliptail with tailer?
>>
>> I've no dog in this fight*; I think any bike-cum-boat travel incident 
>> looks like great fun and ought to be illustrated on this list with a great 
>> number of photos.
>>
>>
>> [*Ill disciplined imagination: recall the Economist cover with drawing of 
>> Ozarks or Appalachian front porch during Clinton I vs Lewinsky, with 
>> slogan: "He's a hard dog to keep on the porch." Nothing beats Southern 
>> syntax.]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:07 PM Wesley  wrote:
>>
>>> That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/
>>>
>>> I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six years 
>>> ago to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It turned 
>>> out very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable kayaks. 
>>>
>>> The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really a 
>>> great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard 
 about; thanks for sharing.

 I'd love to know more about his boat and what it's made from and its 
 features.

 On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

> This guy did a bike/boat commute from Jersey into NYC. Pretty unique 
> setup!
>
> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>
> A bike commute you wont believe - Tom Lutz 
> 
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> 
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[RBW] Re: 5 Boro Bike Tour (was NYC Riv Ride?)

[velomann]

That Was Fun!
Just now getting around to responding - I was in NYC for a week and just 
flew back into PDX late Thursday night. My only electronics while there was 
my phone, so I'm just now able to reply to this thread.

As I think I said before, I've only been to NYC once before, on a whirlwind 
8th grade east coast trip in 1973. I think the Twin Towers were still under 
construction then. So everything was essentially new to me, and I tried to 
make the best use of my time and my bike while I was there. I wore myself 
out, in the best possible way.

As Michael Morrissey indicated, the weather for the 5 Boros Ride day 
was...unsettled. Fortunately, we started dry, so waiting with the thousands 
of other riders for my wave to start (wave 3 of 7, released at 8:40) didn't 
involve hanging out in the rain. I was wearing a light Shakedry jacket and 
shorts, and while I packed rain pants and booties, I never put them on and 
didn't get wet. I was on the course about 5 hours and I think it rained 
lightly about 1/2 that time. That said, it was cool enough that I didn't 
linger at the finish line or socialize as much as I would have if the 
weather had been drier and warmer (as it was the rest of my stay.)

I've done big group rides before here in Portland (Bridge pedal, Sunday 
Parkways), but this was a whole other level. Waiting to start on Church 
street, all I could see for blocks ahead and blocks behind me was other 
riders. And that was just my wave, one-seventh of the total participation. 
But once we got rolling north, and especially once we got into and through 
Central Park, it was remarkably smooth and delay-free. Honestly, from 
stories I'd heard, I was expecting more of a cluster, and maybe riders 
behind me experienced more delays, but I was pretty much able to ride the 
whole course at whatever pace I wanted. I passed A LOT of riders (many 
walking) on every climb (usually bridges) and A LOT of riders on every 
descent (usually  bridges.) 

Highlights (just a sampling) Curb-to-curb bike takeover of 6th Avenue 
through midtown, Central Park, the street corner gospel and jazz and R 
musicians serenading us through Harlem, the cobblestones of Williamsburg, 
miles of smooth rolling on the BQE, the excitement of the other riders 
climbing and descending the Verrazzano Narrows Bridge; for many of them 
they were on the final stretch of the longest ride they had ever done, the 
surprisingly scenic final 3 miles from the finish to the Staten Island 
Ferry, and of course the ferry ride back to Manhattan with all the 
thousands of bikes and riders, passing by the Statue of Liberty.

This was also the maiden travel voyage for my Ritchey Outback Breakaway, 
and it proved the perfect bike for this ride, and the week. I was able to 
check it through as regular luggage, and the 650b x 47 tires were perfect 
for the sometimes rough pavement & cobblestones I encountered during the 
week.
I'd definitely do the ride again. I'd love to experience it in better 
weather - I regret kind of rushing through the course and not lingering at 
the finish, but the weather was deteriorating and I didn't want to stand 
around in the rain waiting for the ferry (I got right on). But I'd gladly 
ride it in similar conditions.

I rode around Manhattan and Brooklyn a lot the two days before the ride, 
trying to get my bearings and a feel for the...unique quality of biking in 
NYC. I found it absolutely intoxicating. But I can also see how it would be 
really intimidating to riders not comfortable with the special chaos 
involved in navigating the dance of cars, trucks, busses, pedestrians, and 
bikes. I was absolutely fascinated by the bike delivery culture that is 
ubiquitous in the city now. I saw delivery riders with a backpack for 
orders, as well as 3 or 4 bags draped on the bars. So Many Meals just 
flying around the city. And it seems like every restaurant I went into had 
a counter absolutely stacked with orders waiting to be picked up. I know 
not everyone is a fan, but that economy must be generating a lot of money, 
without cars. And the delivery drivers are definitely doing their part 
training everyone else in the city how to share the space with bikes.

On Tuesday (great sunny weather) I rode across the Brooklyn bridge, through 
Brooklyn to Prospect Park, and South on the Ocean Perkway bike path (which 
I heard is the first designated bike path in the U.S.) to Coney Island. Had 
a hotdog at Nathan's and dipped my feet in the Atlantic, then back through 
Prospect Park, across the Manhattan Bridge, and back to Midtown. A good, 
long, satisfying ride.

A few more experiences:
St Patrick's Cathedral
MoMA - I spent hours just going through the 5th floor galleries
Walking the paths around the perimeter of Central Park
I got lost every time I rode south of Canal Street. It would take more than 
the week I was there to gain the spatial memory necessary to get from Point 
A to Point B in South Manhattan. 
I got a ticket for 

Re: [RBW] Snake-in-a-bike

[John Rinker]

I agree with Curtis. What a very fine thing you did! That looks like a 
variety of gopher snake. Quite beautiful, and I'm told they like to hiss.

Cheers, John

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:11:20 PM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:

> Great save!
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024, 1:41 PM Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
>> On a ride a while back, I stopped for lunch under an oak tree and heard 
>> rustling in the leaves at the edge of the path. This poor little guy was 
>> caught in a nylon erosion net. He hissed angrily as I cut the netting with 
>> my multitool to free him, then he quietly disappeared beneath the dry, 
>> crackling leaves.
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

Hey Robert, I remember seeing this once upon a time. Perhaps it's where the 
seed of my idea to get my bike in a boat came from. Very cool, indeed!

Hey Patrick, It's hard to say. The Alpackaraft may be a little more 
particular about where the bike is placed, but time from arrival to launch 
is probably similar. I do imagine that Wes is correct- the Alpackaraft 
weighs only 5lbs, and that's pretty tough to beat.

In the end, I agree with Patrick: any bike/boat combo is just plain fun!

Cheers, John

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:15:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Tom Lutz seems to have accommodated himself and his Brompton to the mass 
> of his Fliptail. I'd guess that with the wheels (or is it a minimalist 
> trailer?) and flat terrain that even a weighty boat is less of a problem 
> than, say, the inflatable 2-person kayaks that my next door neighbors have 
> (fun fact: he was a brazer for Serrotta back when Serrotta did lugged steel 
> bikes) which take a while to deflate, dry, and roll up.
>
> John: what do you think: is your boat easier to manipulate between bike 
> packing and floating and back again than this Fliptail with tailer?
>
> I've no dog in this fight*; I think any bike-cum-boat travel incident 
> looks like great fun and ought to be illustrated on this list with a great 
> number of photos.
>
>
> [*Ill disciplined imagination: recall the Economist cover with drawing of 
> Ozarks or Appalachian front porch during Clinton I vs Lewinsky, with 
> slogan: "He's a hard dog to keep on the porch." Nothing beats Southern 
> syntax.]
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:07 PM Wesley  wrote:
>
>> That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/
>>
>> I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six years 
>> ago to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It turned 
>> out very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable kayaks. 
>>
>> The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really a 
>> great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard 
>>> about; thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> I'd love to know more about his boat and what it's made from and its 
>>> features.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>
 This guy did a bike/boat commute from Jersey into NYC. Pretty unique 
 setup!

 [image: maxresdefault.jpg]

 A bike commute you wont believe - Tom Lutz 
 
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Rambouillet Randonneuring Road Bicycle "pointy lugs" Toyo? Waterford?

[Doug Van Cleve]

AFAIK, IIRC, these were all Toyo built.

Doug Van Cleve
Chandler, AZ

On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 3:28 PM Jerry Lynn  wrote:

> No mine, and no affiliation...
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Patrick Moore]

Tom Lutz seems to have accommodated himself and his Brompton to the mass of
his Fliptail. I'd guess that with the wheels (or is it a minimalist
trailer?) and flat terrain that even a weighty boat is less of a problem
than, say, the inflatable 2-person kayaks that my next door neighbors have
(fun fact: he was a brazer for Serrotta back when Serrotta did lugged steel
bikes) which take a while to deflate, dry, and roll up.

John: what do you think: is your boat easier to manipulate between bike
packing and floating and back again than this Fliptail with tailer?

I've no dog in this fight*; I think any bike-cum-boat travel incident looks
like great fun and ought to be illustrated on this list with a great number
of photos.


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syntax.]



On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:07 PM Wesley  wrote:

> That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/
>
> I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six years
> ago to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It turned
> out very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable kayaks.
>
> The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really a
> great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
> -Wes
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard about;
>> thanks for sharing.
>>
>> I'd love to know more about his boat and what it's made from and its
>> features.
>>
>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> This guy did a bike/boat commute from Jersey into NYC. Pretty unique
>>> setup!
>>>
>>> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>>>
>>> A bike commute you wont believe - Tom Lutz
>>> 
>>> youtu.be 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Snake-in-a-bike

[Curtis McKenzie]

Great save!

On Sat, May 11, 2024, 1:41 PM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On a ride a while back, I stopped for lunch under an oak tree and heard
> rustling in the leaves at the edge of the path. This poor little guy was
> caught in a nylon erosion net. He hissed angrily as I cut the netting with
> my multitool to free him, then he quietly disappeared beneath the dry,
> crackling leaves.
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Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Patrick Moore]

It just occurred to me that I can use a good FD that still has the outer
throw limit arm -- the extension of the parallelogram that contacts the
bottom of the outer limit screw; I cut off that on my 7400 when using it
with a Silver triple -- the throw was just right sans stop to get the chain
onto the 46 t ring -- and ditto for the 7402, to get *that* one to work
with a wide-Q (172 mm IIRC) Bontrager Race Lite pipe spindle external
bearing triple. That too serendipitously worked perfectly without any
except design limit to its outer throw. But I should replace the 7402 with
the 7400 on the Matthews because with 158 mm Logic (triple converted to
double) there is far more throw on the 7402 than needed -- whence a
"manual" stop when I shift -- while the design limit on the 7400 ought to
be just right for this Logic.



On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I don't see the latter listing (auction had closed when I looked) but I'll
> honor my commitment; the various other DA FDs that popped up were in tht
> $40 to $60 range, which I don't mind paying. And I'm 9/10 convinced that
> yours will work fine.
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:08 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>
>> That is extremely generous of you, Patrick, wow! I will then order this
>> derailleur  with
>> delight (it's a little nicer condition than the other one). I plan to have
>> my local, independent bike shop assemble the bike when all the parts arrive
>> -- just waiting on this then and the wheels. They've got the right ethos
>> for this community (they only sell steel, normal folk's bikes and mostly
>> older "rescue" bikes they recondition), so I trust that they are experts on
>> installation. I'll keep in touch after the build, hopefully with a
>> successful report and some glamor shots :)
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:54:47 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Robert: If you will be using a 9 speed cassette, I'll go out on a limb
>>> and predict that the first-gen DA will work fine. I'll go so far as to
>>> offer: If after trying it and getting expert advice if it * does not* work,
>>> and as long as the FD is in the same condition as when you bought it, I'll
>>> buy the 1st gen DA from you for your full purchase price minus your
>>> shipping expense from the seller. (I'll pay *your* shipping cost *to
>>> me,* of course.)
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:45 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the wealth of information Patrick :) I am excited to learn
 more about bicycles in general and thrilled to build this Homer over the
 next month. I will be running a 9-speed cassette, so I don't think that
 I'll be trying to find a super narrow FD cage. I'll look into the DA 7402
 and similar derailleurs. I like the all-silver look.

 On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:40:32 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Forgot to address one of your questions: * Does me running 11-36
> cassette have anything to do with the front derailleur choice?*
>
> It might, since with such a small outer cog the chain will be closer
> to the chainstay and bottom of the FD cage than with a bigger outer like a
> 13 or 14. Whether this makes a difference in your case, I cannot say for
> sure, but again I'd *guess* that, since you will be using the 11 only
> with the 38, this won't matter.
>
> There's also the matter of a wider cassette and chain rub on the
> derailleur cage. Is your cassette 11 speed or more? If so, I can't speak 
> to
> that, but the wider the change in chain angle and the narrower the FD cage
> (as, for a 1st-gen DA road FD for 5 o 6 speed freewheels) the more chance
> of chain rub on the extreme outside and inside cogs unless you trim the 
> FD.
> For me, I use my DA 7402 (I am pretty sure) FD with a 10 sp cassette and
> when I set the FD "in the middle" of its range there is no chain rub 
> either
> in small or big cogs, and I think there's still futher leeway for chain
> angle without rubbing.
>
> Also affecting chain angle is chainstay length, but as this the RBW
> list and not rec.bicycles.tech or Cat.6.fredlist, I'd guess that will not
> be a problem for you.
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:29 PM Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> I've not used a first-gen DA FD, but I have used a 7400 and a 740n --
>> either 01 or 02; I think it's the latter. Again, it shifts very well 
>> over a
>> 44/28 and also did so ove a 38/24.
>>
>> Now, I may simply be less demanding about FD performance; and I don't
>> shift the front a great deal (my setups since the 2X9 on the Fargo are 
>> 1X +
>> granny) but when I do shift the front, I don't have any more problems 
>> than
>> I had with more typical road doubles or old-time mtb tripls.
>>
>> I do have a chain catcher mounted to the chainstay just aft of the bb

Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Patrick Moore]

Yes, often after 6 months or a year or more of riding, after the sealant
has plugged, I guess very many wee little thorn holes, enough sealant will
have wept into the tire carcase and dried to glue the tube to the inside of
the tire.

I use very thin butyl tubes. Even so, I've never, ever had a problem or
even a worry about just yanking hard to peel the tube off the tire; and
again, when it sticks firmly this is generally after >12 months at least.

The real and big problem is a big hole that dumps most of 2 to 4 fl oz
(depending if 1" or 1/8" tube) all at once into the inside of the tire;
then you don't usually have a sticking problem but you've got a bloody
mess. I carry an old bandana in each tool kit to wipe up such messes,
though 99/100 times I use them instead to wipe my hands after messing with
the chain.

On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:16 PM Chris Fly  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> How is it to take a tube with sealant out of the tire after the sealant
> has fixed a hole? Do they stick to each other?
>
> Chris
>
> Make a space for people to come as they are and not have to just “fit in”
>
> On May 11, 2024, at 2:11 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> I've used sealant in inner tubes since about 2013, when after years of
> using ~utility tires (Paselas, Kojaks, Fatboys, City Slickers, Tom Slicks,
> Avocets) and fixing >150 flats per year I tried a pair of new "open
> tubular" Paris Roubaix and got 5 goathead flats within 10 or 15 miles.
> Stan's worked in my 700C X 28 standard road tubes and, after a couple of
> years, Orange Seal worked even better.
>
> I use Orange Seal in the lightest-weight butyls I can find; notable 100
> gram actual 650B/559 X 1.8 Schwalbes and 70 gram actual Schwalbe 650C X
> 20/559X1", as well as Conti 650C/559 ditto, Specialized 26X1" ditto,  and
> (IIRC) lightweight Vittoria ditto.
>
> OS in tubes at 30 to 60 psi works I'd guess a metaphorical 905 or 95% as
> well as OS in fat tubeless low pressure tires.
>
> *OS Regular Formula!* OS Endurance, wonderful in fat lp tubeless tires, *does
> not work for me* in road tubes at 30 to 60 psi.
>
> The penetrants I face are almost always goatheads. I get the very
> occasional (<1X/year for 2-3K miles across 3 bikes) larger hole that OS
> Regular won't seal, but even those are 9 times out of 10 slow leaks and let
> me get home before the tire goes flat (short rides, =/<30 miles). I carry 2
> spare tubes, either containing 2 fl oz of OS Regular or -- now prefer --
> dry + 4 fl oz bottle of OS Regular, and on the very rare occasions I have
> to stop mid ride for a puncture I change the tube and repair the puncture
> with a Rema once back home.
>
> You can patch tubes with sealant as long as you clean all sealant off the
> area to be patched (I use alcohol just to be sure), then rough it, glue,
> and patch as usual.
>
> Stan's used to leave rubber octopuses of dried sealant in tubes after 12
> or 18 months; OS regular does not do that; I only add more -- 1X year or
> less often -- when my tubes start deflating and not sealing immediately --
> due, I think, to many small punctures over 12-18 months that leak very
> small amounts of sealant into the tire carcase, so that eventually there is
> no longer enough left in the tube to do its job. This compares to replacing
> OS Endurance every 3 or 4 months in lp tubeless tires in our dry climate;
> in very dry hot weather ~3 months, in colder, more humid weather, ~4 months.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Chris Fly]

Patrick,

How is it to take a tube with sealant out of the tire after the sealant has 
fixed a hole? Do they stick to each other?

Chris 

Make a space for people to come as they are and not have to just “fit in”

> On May 11, 2024, at 2:11 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've used sealant in inner tubes since about 2013, when after years of using 
> ~utility tires (Paselas, Kojaks, Fatboys, City Slickers, Tom Slicks, Avocets) 
> and fixing >150 flats per year I tried a pair of new "open tubular" Paris 
> Roubaix and got 5 goathead flats within 10 or 15 miles. Stan's worked in my 
> 700C X 28 standard road tubes and, after a couple of years, Orange Seal 
> worked even better.
> 
> I use Orange Seal in the lightest-weight butyls I can find; notable 100 gram 
> actual 650B/559 X 1.8 Schwalbes and 70 gram actual Schwalbe 650C X 20/559X1", 
> as well as Conti 650C/559 ditto, Specialized 26X1" ditto,  and (IIRC) 
> lightweight Vittoria ditto. 
> 
> OS in tubes at 30 to 60 psi works I'd guess a metaphorical 905 or 95% as well 
> as OS in fat tubeless low pressure tires.
> 
> OS Regular Formula! OS Endurance, wonderful in fat lp tubeless tires, does 
> not work for me in road tubes at 30 to 60 psi.
> 
> The penetrants I face are almost always goatheads. I get the very occasional 
> (<1X/year for 2-3K miles across 3 bikes) larger hole that OS Regular won't 
> seal, but even those are 9 times out of 10 slow leaks and let me get home 
> before the tire goes flat (short rides, =/<30 miles). I carry 2 spare tubes, 
> either containing 2 fl oz of OS Regular or -- now prefer -- dry + 4 fl oz 
> bottle of OS Regular, and on the very rare occasions I have to stop mid ride 
> for a puncture I change the tube and repair the puncture with a Rema once 
> back home. 
> 
> You can patch tubes with sealant as long as you clean all sealant off the 
> area to be patched (I use alcohol just to be sure), then rough it, glue, and 
> patch as usual.
> 
> Stan's used to leave rubber octopuses of dried sealant in tubes after 12 or 
> 18 months; OS regular does not do that; I only add more -- 1X year or less 
> often -- when my tubes start deflating and not sealing immediately -- due, I 
> think, to many small punctures over 12-18 months that leak very small amounts 
> of sealant into the tire carcase, so that eventually there is no longer 
> enough left in the tube to do its job. This compares to replacing OS 
> Endurance every 3 or 4 months in lp tubeless tires in our dry climate; in 
> very dry hot weather ~3 months, in colder, more humid weather, ~4 months.
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Patrick Moore]

I don't see the latter listing (auction had closed when I looked) but I'll
honor my commitment; the various other DA FDs that popped up were in tht
$40 to $60 range, which I don't mind paying. And I'm 9/10 convinced that
yours will work fine.

On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:08 PM Robert Calton  wrote:

> That is extremely generous of you, Patrick, wow! I will then order this
> derailleur  with
> delight (it's a little nicer condition than the other one). I plan to have
> my local, independent bike shop assemble the bike when all the parts arrive
> -- just waiting on this then and the wheels. They've got the right ethos
> for this community (they only sell steel, normal folk's bikes and mostly
> older "rescue" bikes they recondition), so I trust that they are experts on
> installation. I'll keep in touch after the build, hopefully with a
> successful report and some glamor shots :)
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:54:47 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Robert: If you will be using a 9 speed cassette, I'll go out on a limb
>> and predict that the first-gen DA will work fine. I'll go so far as to
>> offer: If after trying it and getting expert advice if it * does not* work,
>> and as long as the FD is in the same condition as when you bought it, I'll
>> buy the 1st gen DA from you for your full purchase price minus your
>> shipping expense from the seller. (I'll pay *your* shipping cost *to me,*
>> of course.)
>>
>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:45 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the wealth of information Patrick :) I am excited to learn
>>> more about bicycles in general and thrilled to build this Homer over the
>>> next month. I will be running a 9-speed cassette, so I don't think that
>>> I'll be trying to find a super narrow FD cage. I'll look into the DA 7402
>>> and similar derailleurs. I like the all-silver look.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:40:32 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Forgot to address one of your questions: * Does me running 11-36
 cassette have anything to do with the front derailleur choice?*

 It might, since with such a small outer cog the chain will be closer to
 the chainstay and bottom of the FD cage than with a bigger outer like a 13
 or 14. Whether this makes a difference in your case, I cannot say for sure,
 but again I'd *guess* that, since you will be using the 11 only with
 the 38, this won't matter.

 There's also the matter of a wider cassette and chain rub on the
 derailleur cage. Is your cassette 11 speed or more? If so, I can't speak to
 that, but the wider the change in chain angle and the narrower the FD cage
 (as, for a 1st-gen DA road FD for 5 o 6 speed freewheels) the more chance
 of chain rub on the extreme outside and inside cogs unless you trim the FD.
 For me, I use my DA 7402 (I am pretty sure) FD with a 10 sp cassette and
 when I set the FD "in the middle" of its range there is no chain rub either
 in small or big cogs, and I think there's still futher leeway for chain
 angle without rubbing.

 Also affecting chain angle is chainstay length, but as this the RBW
 list and not rec.bicycles.tech or Cat.6.fredlist, I'd guess that will not
 be a problem for you.

 On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:29 PM Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> I've not used a first-gen DA FD, but I have used a 7400 and a 740n --
> either 01 or 02; I think it's the latter. Again, it shifts very well over 
> a
> 44/28 and also did so ove a 38/24.
>
> Now, I may simply be less demanding about FD performance; and I don't
> shift the front a great deal (my setups since the 2X9 on the Fargo are 1X 
> +
> granny) but when I do shift the front, I don't have any more problems than
> I had with more typical road doubles or old-time mtb tripls.
>
> I do have a chain catcher mounted to the chainstay just aft of the bb
> to prevent chain suck, but I first installed that on the Fargo with the
> 46/36/24 triple when I was having chainsuck problems; I've not had that
> problem with the 2Xs.
>
> To sum up and answer your question directly re the 1st-gen DA FD: I
> guess it will work fine. But if you ask me in court, I'll deny everything.
>
> Good luck! And keep us informed.
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 1:16 PM Robert Calton 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Patrick! I saw a really nice bottom pull DA front mech used on
>> eBay, first gen
>> 

Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Patrick Moore]

I've used sealant in inner tubes since about 2013, when after years of
using ~utility tires (Paselas, Kojaks, Fatboys, City Slickers, Tom Slicks,
Avocets) and fixing >150 flats per year I tried a pair of new "open
tubular" Paris Roubaix and got 5 goathead flats within 10 or 15 miles.
Stan's worked in my 700C X 28 standard road tubes and, after a couple of
years, Orange Seal worked even better.

I use Orange Seal in the lightest-weight butyls I can find; notable 100
gram actual 650B/559 X 1.8 Schwalbes and 70 gram actual Schwalbe 650C X
20/559X1", as well as Conti 650C/559 ditto, Specialized 26X1" ditto,  and
(IIRC) lightweight Vittoria ditto.

OS in tubes at 30 to 60 psi works I'd guess a metaphorical 905 or 95% as
well as OS in fat tubeless low pressure tires.

*OS Regular Formula!* OS Endurance, wonderful in fat lp tubeless tires, *does
not work for me* in road tubes at 30 to 60 psi.

The penetrants I face are almost always goatheads. I get the very
occasional (<1X/year for 2-3K miles across 3 bikes) larger hole that OS
Regular won't seal, but even those are 9 times out of 10 slow leaks and let
me get home before the tire goes flat (short rides, =/<30 miles). I carry 2
spare tubes, either containing 2 fl oz of OS Regular or -- now prefer --
dry + 4 fl oz bottle of OS Regular, and on the very rare occasions I have
to stop mid ride for a puncture I change the tube and repair the puncture
with a Rema once back home.

You can patch tubes with sealant as long as you clean all sealant off the
area to be patched (I use alcohol just to be sure), then rough it, glue,
and patch as usual.

Stan's used to leave rubber octopuses of dried sealant in tubes after 12 or
18 months; OS regular does not do that; I only add more -- 1X year or less
often -- when my tubes start deflating and not sealing immediately -- due,
I think, to many small punctures over 12-18 months that leak very small
amounts of sealant into the tire carcase, so that eventually there is no
longer enough left in the tube to do its job. This compares to replacing OS
Endurance every 3 or 4 months in lp tubeless tires in our dry climate; in
very dry hot weather ~3 months, in colder, more humid weather, ~4 months.

On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:52 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

>
> >
> > On May 11, 2024, at 3:23 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> >
> > 'd love to use featherlight, more puncture-resistant TPUs in place of
> the extralight butyls I now use (with sealant, of course, since this is the
> land of goat heads; this for road tires;
>
> I’d like to hear more about your experience using sealant in butyl tubes.
> I tried that briefly. It seemed to make the tubes use-once-and-throw-away,
> as once it deflated the sealant stuck together so much that the tube
> wouldn’t inflate again.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Robert Calton]

That is extremely generous of you, Patrick, wow! I will then order this 
derailleur  with 
delight (it's a little nicer condition than the other one). I plan to have 
my local, independent bike shop assemble the bike when all the parts arrive 
-- just waiting on this then and the wheels. They've got the right ethos 
for this community (they only sell steel, normal folk's bikes and mostly 
older "rescue" bikes they recondition), so I trust that they are experts on 
installation. I'll keep in touch after the build, hopefully with a 
successful report and some glamor shots :) 

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:54:47 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Robert: If you will be using a 9 speed cassette, I'll go out on a limb and 
> predict that the first-gen DA will work fine. I'll go so far as to offer: 
> If after trying it and getting expert advice if it * does not* work, and 
> as long as the FD is in the same condition as when you bought it, I'll buy 
> the 1st gen DA from you for your full purchase price minus your shipping 
> expense from the seller. (I'll pay *your* shipping cost *to me,* of 
> course.)
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:45 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the wealth of information Patrick :) I am excited to learn 
>> more about bicycles in general and thrilled to build this Homer over the 
>> next month. I will be running a 9-speed cassette, so I don't think that 
>> I'll be trying to find a super narrow FD cage. I'll look into the DA 7402 
>> and similar derailleurs. I like the all-silver look. 
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:40:32 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Forgot to address one of your questions: * Does me running 11-36 
>>> cassette have anything to do with the front derailleur choice?*
>>>
>>> It might, since with such a small outer cog the chain will be closer to 
>>> the chainstay and bottom of the FD cage than with a bigger outer like a 13 
>>> or 14. Whether this makes a difference in your case, I cannot say for sure, 
>>> but again I'd *guess* that, since you will be using the 11 only with 
>>> the 38, this won't matter.
>>>
>>> There's also the matter of a wider cassette and chain rub on the 
>>> derailleur cage. Is your cassette 11 speed or more? If so, I can't speak to 
>>> that, but the wider the change in chain angle and the narrower the FD cage 
>>> (as, for a 1st-gen DA road FD for 5 o 6 speed freewheels) the more chance 
>>> of chain rub on the extreme outside and inside cogs unless you trim the FD. 
>>> For me, I use my DA 7402 (I am pretty sure) FD with a 10 sp cassette and 
>>> when I set the FD "in the middle" of its range there is no chain rub either 
>>> in small or big cogs, and I think there's still futher leeway for chain 
>>> angle without rubbing.
>>>
>>> Also affecting chain angle is chainstay length, but as this the RBW list 
>>> and not rec.bicycles.tech or Cat.6.fredlist, I'd guess that will not be a 
>>> problem for you.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 I've not used a first-gen DA FD, but I have used a 7400 and a 740n -- 
 either 01 or 02; I think it's the latter. Again, it shifts very well over 
 a 
 44/28 and also did so ove a 38/24.

 Now, I may simply be less demanding about FD performance; and I don't 
 shift the front a great deal (my setups since the 2X9 on the Fargo are 1X 
 + 
 granny) but when I do shift the front, I don't have any more problems than 
 I had with more typical road doubles or old-time mtb tripls.

 I do have a chain catcher mounted to the chainstay just aft of the bb 
 to prevent chain suck, but I first installed that on the Fargo with the 
 46/36/24 triple when I was having chainsuck problems; I've not had that 
 problem with the 2Xs.

 To sum up and answer your question directly re the 1st-gen DA FD: I 
 guess it will work fine. But if you ask me in court, I'll deny everything.

 Good luck! And keep us informed.

 On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 1:16 PM Robert Calton  wrote:

> Thanks Patrick! I saw a really nice bottom pull DA front mech used on 
> eBay, first gen 
> ,
>  
> and it says it has a 16T capacity. Since I'm at 14T differential on my 
> front chainrings (38-24),  would this work? Does me running 11-36 
> cassette 
> have anything to do with the front derailleur choice? 
>
> 

Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Wesley]

That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/

I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six years ago 
to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It turned out 
very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable kayaks. 

The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really a 
great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
-Wes

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard about; 
> thanks for sharing.
>
> I'd love to know more about his boat and what it's made from and its 
> features.
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>
>> This guy did a bike/boat commute from Jersey into NYC. Pretty unique 
>> setup!
>>
>> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>>
>> A bike commute you wont believe - Tom Lutz 
>> 
>> youtu.be 
>> 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Patrick Moore]

Robert: If you will be using a 9 speed cassette, I'll go out on a limb and
predict that the first-gen DA will work fine. I'll go so far as to offer:
If after trying it and getting expert advice if it * does not* work, and as
long as the FD is in the same condition as when you bought it, I'll buy the
1st gen DA from you for your full purchase price minus your shipping
expense from the seller. (I'll pay *your* shipping cost *to me,* of course.)

On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:45 PM Robert Calton  wrote:

> Thanks for the wealth of information Patrick :) I am excited to learn more
> about bicycles in general and thrilled to build this Homer over the next
> month. I will be running a 9-speed cassette, so I don't think that I'll be
> trying to find a super narrow FD cage. I'll look into the DA 7402 and
> similar derailleurs. I like the all-silver look.
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:40:32 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Forgot to address one of your questions: * Does me running 11-36
>> cassette have anything to do with the front derailleur choice?*
>>
>> It might, since with such a small outer cog the chain will be closer to
>> the chainstay and bottom of the FD cage than with a bigger outer like a 13
>> or 14. Whether this makes a difference in your case, I cannot say for sure,
>> but again I'd *guess* that, since you will be using the 11 only with the
>> 38, this won't matter.
>>
>> There's also the matter of a wider cassette and chain rub on the
>> derailleur cage. Is your cassette 11 speed or more? If so, I can't speak to
>> that, but the wider the change in chain angle and the narrower the FD cage
>> (as, for a 1st-gen DA road FD for 5 o 6 speed freewheels) the more chance
>> of chain rub on the extreme outside and inside cogs unless you trim the FD.
>> For me, I use my DA 7402 (I am pretty sure) FD with a 10 sp cassette and
>> when I set the FD "in the middle" of its range there is no chain rub either
>> in small or big cogs, and I think there's still futher leeway for chain
>> angle without rubbing.
>>
>> Also affecting chain angle is chainstay length, but as this the RBW list
>> and not rec.bicycles.tech or Cat.6.fredlist, I'd guess that will not be a
>> problem for you.
>>
>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I've not used a first-gen DA FD, but I have used a 7400 and a 740n --
>>> either 01 or 02; I think it's the latter. Again, it shifts very well over a
>>> 44/28 and also did so ove a 38/24.
>>>
>>> Now, I may simply be less demanding about FD performance; and I don't
>>> shift the front a great deal (my setups since the 2X9 on the Fargo are 1X +
>>> granny) but when I do shift the front, I don't have any more problems than
>>> I had with more typical road doubles or old-time mtb tripls.
>>>
>>> I do have a chain catcher mounted to the chainstay just aft of the bb to
>>> prevent chain suck, but I first installed that on the Fargo with the
>>> 46/36/24 triple when I was having chainsuck problems; I've not had that
>>> problem with the 2Xs.
>>>
>>> To sum up and answer your question directly re the 1st-gen DA FD: I
>>> guess it will work fine. But if you ask me in court, I'll deny everything.
>>>
>>> Good luck! And keep us informed.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 1:16 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Patrick! I saw a really nice bottom pull DA front mech used on
 eBay, first gen
 ,
 and it says it has a 16T capacity. Since I'm at 14T differential on my
 front chainrings (38-24),  would this work? Does me running 11-36 cassette
 have anything to do with the front derailleur choice?

 On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 2:54:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Robert: About 10 years ago I swapped out a 3X7 drivetrain on my 2010
> Fargo for a 2X9. The 3X7 consisted of 46/36/24 rings pulling (iirc) a 
> 15-24
> 7sp cassette, and I swapped that out for a 38/24 X something-like 13-26 9
> speed (29 1/2" Schwalbe Big Apples, then ditto Big Ones).
>
> The derailleurs were both LX of the period. When I converted the
> chainrings I simply swapped the 46 outer for a (BBG) bashguard, swapped 
> the
> 36 for a 38, and adjusted the FD throw limit screw. I did *not* change
> the position of the FD on the seat tube. After all, the FD shifted the
> 36/24 properly in that position, and it's not surprising that it shifted
> the 38/24 properly in the same position.
>
> Later I 

Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Ted Durant]

> 
> On May 11, 2024, at 3:23 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 'd love to use featherlight, more puncture-resistant TPUs in place of the 
> extralight butyls I now use (with sealant, of course, since this is the land 
> of goat heads; this for road tires;

I’d like to hear more about your experience using sealant in butyl tubes. I 
tried that briefly. It seemed to make the tubes use-once-and-throw-away, as 
once it deflated the sealant stuck together so much that the tube wouldn’t 
inflate again. 

Ted Durant
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Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Robert Calton]

Thanks for the wealth of information Patrick :) I am excited to learn more 
about bicycles in general and thrilled to build this Homer over the next 
month. I will be running a 9-speed cassette, so I don't think that I'll be 
trying to find a super narrow FD cage. I'll look into the DA 7402 and 
similar derailleurs. I like the all-silver look. 

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:40:32 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Forgot to address one of your questions: * Does me running 11-36 cassette 
> have anything to do with the front derailleur choice?*
>
> It might, since with such a small outer cog the chain will be closer to 
> the chainstay and bottom of the FD cage than with a bigger outer like a 13 
> or 14. Whether this makes a difference in your case, I cannot say for sure, 
> but again I'd *guess* that, since you will be using the 11 only with the 
> 38, this won't matter.
>
> There's also the matter of a wider cassette and chain rub on the 
> derailleur cage. Is your cassette 11 speed or more? If so, I can't speak to 
> that, but the wider the change in chain angle and the narrower the FD cage 
> (as, for a 1st-gen DA road FD for 5 o 6 speed freewheels) the more chance 
> of chain rub on the extreme outside and inside cogs unless you trim the FD. 
> For me, I use my DA 7402 (I am pretty sure) FD with a 10 sp cassette and 
> when I set the FD "in the middle" of its range there is no chain rub either 
> in small or big cogs, and I think there's still futher leeway for chain 
> angle without rubbing.
>
> Also affecting chain angle is chainstay length, but as this the RBW list 
> and not rec.bicycles.tech or Cat.6.fredlist, I'd guess that will not be a 
> problem for you.
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I've not used a first-gen DA FD, but I have used a 7400 and a 740n -- 
>> either 01 or 02; I think it's the latter. Again, it shifts very well over a 
>> 44/28 and also did so ove a 38/24.
>>
>> Now, I may simply be less demanding about FD performance; and I don't 
>> shift the front a great deal (my setups since the 2X9 on the Fargo are 1X + 
>> granny) but when I do shift the front, I don't have any more problems than 
>> I had with more typical road doubles or old-time mtb tripls.
>>
>> I do have a chain catcher mounted to the chainstay just aft of the bb to 
>> prevent chain suck, but I first installed that on the Fargo with the 
>> 46/36/24 triple when I was having chainsuck problems; I've not had that 
>> problem with the 2Xs.
>>
>> To sum up and answer your question directly re the 1st-gen DA FD: I guess 
>> it will work fine. But if you ask me in court, I'll deny everything.
>>
>> Good luck! And keep us informed.
>>
>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 1:16 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Patrick! I saw a really nice bottom pull DA front mech used on 
>>> eBay, first gen 
>>> ,
>>>  
>>> and it says it has a 16T capacity. Since I'm at 14T differential on my 
>>> front chainrings (38-24),  would this work? Does me running 11-36 cassette 
>>> have anything to do with the front derailleur choice? 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 2:54:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Robert: About 10 years ago I swapped out a 3X7 drivetrain on my 2010 
 Fargo for a 2X9. The 3X7 consisted of 46/36/24 rings pulling (iirc) a 
 15-24 
 7sp cassette, and I swapped that out for a 38/24 X something-like 13-26 9 
 speed (29 1/2" Schwalbe Big Apples, then ditto Big Ones).

 The derailleurs were both LX of the period. When I converted the 
 chainrings I simply swapped the 46 outer for a (BBG) bashguard, swapped 
 the 
 36 for a 38, and adjusted the FD throw limit screw. I did *not* change 
 the position of the FD on the seat tube. After all, the FD shifted the 
 36/24 properly in that position, and it's not surprising that it shifted 
 the 38/24 properly in the same position.

 Later I swapped the LX FD for an ancient Dura Ace FD which I did mount 
 a bit lower, but for the bottom of the cage to clear the chainstay as well 
 as for the lower edge of the cage to clear the (IIRC, 48 t-size) bash 
 guard, the FD had to be placed much where it would have been placed for a 
 46/36/24. The DA FD worked just as well as the LX. Again, 38/24 X 15-24 
 (or 
 close) drivetrain.

 Nowadays, I have a 44/28 wide-range "subcompact" setup and the same DA 
 FD positioned high enough above the 44 to 

Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Patrick Moore]

Forgot to address one of your questions: * Does me running 11-36 cassette
have anything to do with the front derailleur choice?*

It might, since with such a small outer cog the chain will be closer to the
chainstay and bottom of the FD cage than with a bigger outer like a 13 or
14. Whether this makes a difference in your case, I cannot say for sure,
but again I'd *guess* that, since you will be using the 11 only with the
38, this won't matter.

There's also the matter of a wider cassette and chain rub on the derailleur
cage. Is your cassette 11 speed or more? If so, I can't speak to that, but
the wider the change in chain angle and the narrower the FD cage (as, for a
1st-gen DA road FD for 5 o 6 speed freewheels) the more chance of chain rub
on the extreme outside and inside cogs unless you trim the FD. For me, I
use my DA 7402 (I am pretty sure) FD with a 10 sp cassette and when I set
the FD "in the middle" of its range there is no chain rub either in small
or big cogs, and I think there's still futher leeway for chain angle
without rubbing.

Also affecting chain angle is chainstay length, but as this the RBW list
and not rec.bicycles.tech or Cat.6.fredlist, I'd guess that will not be a
problem for you.

On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I've not used a first-gen DA FD, but I have used a 7400 and a 740n --
> either 01 or 02; I think it's the latter. Again, it shifts very well over a
> 44/28 and also did so ove a 38/24.
>
> Now, I may simply be less demanding about FD performance; and I don't
> shift the front a great deal (my setups since the 2X9 on the Fargo are 1X +
> granny) but when I do shift the front, I don't have any more problems than
> I had with more typical road doubles or old-time mtb tripls.
>
> I do have a chain catcher mounted to the chainstay just aft of the bb to
> prevent chain suck, but I first installed that on the Fargo with the
> 46/36/24 triple when I was having chainsuck problems; I've not had that
> problem with the 2Xs.
>
> To sum up and answer your question directly re the 1st-gen DA FD: I guess
> it will work fine. But if you ask me in court, I'll deny everything.
>
> Good luck! And keep us informed.
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 1:16 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Patrick! I saw a really nice bottom pull DA front mech used on
>> eBay, first gen
>> ,
>> and it says it has a 16T capacity. Since I'm at 14T differential on my
>> front chainrings (38-24),  would this work? Does me running 11-36 cassette
>> have anything to do with the front derailleur choice?
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 2:54:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Robert: About 10 years ago I swapped out a 3X7 drivetrain on my 2010
>>> Fargo for a 2X9. The 3X7 consisted of 46/36/24 rings pulling (iirc) a 15-24
>>> 7sp cassette, and I swapped that out for a 38/24 X something-like 13-26 9
>>> speed (29 1/2" Schwalbe Big Apples, then ditto Big Ones).
>>>
>>> The derailleurs were both LX of the period. When I converted the
>>> chainrings I simply swapped the 46 outer for a (BBG) bashguard, swapped the
>>> 36 for a 38, and adjusted the FD throw limit screw. I did *not* change
>>> the position of the FD on the seat tube. After all, the FD shifted the
>>> 36/24 properly in that position, and it's not surprising that it shifted
>>> the 38/24 properly in the same position.
>>>
>>> Later I swapped the LX FD for an ancient Dura Ace FD which I did mount a
>>> bit lower, but for the bottom of the cage to clear the chainstay as well as
>>> for the lower edge of the cage to clear the (IIRC, 48 t-size) bash guard,
>>> the FD had to be placed much where it would have been placed for a
>>> 46/36/24. The DA FD worked just as well as the LX. Again, 38/24 X 15-24 (or
>>> close) drivetrain.
>>>
>>> Nowadays, I have a 44/28 wide-range "subcompact" setup and the same DA
>>> FD positioned high enough above the 44 to clear the 48-t-equivalent
>>> bashguard; here too front shifts are just fine.
>>>
>>> FWIW.
>>>
>>> Matthews "road bike for dirt" with 42/28 (before I installed the 44) and
>>> Dura Ace 740-something FD. There must be close to an inch of gap between
>>> the bottom of the outer FD cage plate and the top of the teeth of the 42 t
>>> ring:
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 12:35 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>>>
 Good afternoon group! :) Hoping to tap into the collective wisdom here
 to pick a front derailleur for my Homer build, it's the last piece!

Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Patrick Moore]

I've not used a first-gen DA FD, but I have used a 7400 and a 740n --
either 01 or 02; I think it's the latter. Again, it shifts very well over a
44/28 and also did so ove a 38/24.

Now, I may simply be less demanding about FD performance; and I don't shift
the front a great deal (my setups since the 2X9 on the Fargo are 1X +
granny) but when I do shift the front, I don't have any more problems than
I had with more typical road doubles or old-time mtb tripls.

I do have a chain catcher mounted to the chainstay just aft of the bb to
prevent chain suck, but I first installed that on the Fargo with the
46/36/24 triple when I was having chainsuck problems; I've not had that
problem with the 2Xs.

To sum up and answer your question directly re the 1st-gen DA FD: I guess
it will work fine. But if you ask me in court, I'll deny everything.

Good luck! And keep us informed.

On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 1:16 PM Robert Calton  wrote:

> Thanks Patrick! I saw a really nice bottom pull DA front mech used on
> eBay, first gen
> ,
> and it says it has a 16T capacity. Since I'm at 14T differential on my
> front chainrings (38-24),  would this work? Does me running 11-36 cassette
> have anything to do with the front derailleur choice?
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 2:54:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Robert: About 10 years ago I swapped out a 3X7 drivetrain on my 2010
>> Fargo for a 2X9. The 3X7 consisted of 46/36/24 rings pulling (iirc) a 15-24
>> 7sp cassette, and I swapped that out for a 38/24 X something-like 13-26 9
>> speed (29 1/2" Schwalbe Big Apples, then ditto Big Ones).
>>
>> The derailleurs were both LX of the period. When I converted the
>> chainrings I simply swapped the 46 outer for a (BBG) bashguard, swapped the
>> 36 for a 38, and adjusted the FD throw limit screw. I did *not* change
>> the position of the FD on the seat tube. After all, the FD shifted the
>> 36/24 properly in that position, and it's not surprising that it shifted
>> the 38/24 properly in the same position.
>>
>> Later I swapped the LX FD for an ancient Dura Ace FD which I did mount a
>> bit lower, but for the bottom of the cage to clear the chainstay as well as
>> for the lower edge of the cage to clear the (IIRC, 48 t-size) bash guard,
>> the FD had to be placed much where it would have been placed for a
>> 46/36/24. The DA FD worked just as well as the LX. Again, 38/24 X 15-24 (or
>> close) drivetrain.
>>
>> Nowadays, I have a 44/28 wide-range "subcompact" setup and the same DA FD
>> positioned high enough above the 44 to clear the 48-t-equivalent bashguard;
>> here too front shifts are just fine.
>>
>> FWIW.
>>
>> Matthews "road bike for dirt" with 42/28 (before I installed the 44) and
>> Dura Ace 740-something FD. There must be close to an inch of gap between
>> the bottom of the outer FD cage plate and the top of the teeth of the 42 t
>> ring:
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 12:35 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>>
>>> Good afternoon group! :) Hoping to tap into the collective wisdom here
>>> to pick a front derailleur for my Homer build, it's the last piece!
>>>
>>> I'll be using the Silver 38/24 crankset, 11-36 cassette with the Shimano
>>> Deore XT M761 rear derailleur. I saw that the matching XT front says it's
>>> for a triple chainring, so I need to find something that's for a double.
>>>
>>> What would folks recommend?
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Patrick Moore]

Ted: thanks for being an early guinea pig for TPUs, RH TPUs in particular.
Your travails have probably saved others much $$ and grief.

I'd love to use featherlight, more puncture-resistant TPUs in place of the
extralight butyls I now use (with sealant, of course, since this is the
land of goat heads; this for road tires; I use tubeless for fat, very lp
off road tires) but until RH or someone else markets a sealant proven over
time to protect TPUs from thorns and other small penetrants, I'll hold off
to wait and see.

On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:06 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

> Update here. I went for a couple of rides, total of 100km, on my new
> 584x48's. They certainly feel nice, and at that volume you really are
> dropping noticeable weight from each wheel. By the end of the second ride I
> was thinking the rear felt a little too cushy. A pinch test said there was
> still plenty of pressure. The next morning, though, the tire was completely
> flat. I removed the tube (quite easily, no issues), inflated it a bit, and
> it seemed to be holding air just fine. I thought that for sure I'd be able
> to see a hole in the clear tubing. I swept the inside of the tire and found
> nothing. So, mounted it back up (easy, no issues), inflated it carefully,
> and set the bike aside. A few hours later I checked and it had lost a lot
> of pressure. So, took it out again (easy, no issues), inflated it and
> started running it through a sink full of water. I finally found a very
> tiny leak. Checking the tire in that location I found a tiny bit of wire in
> the outer tread of the tire but couldn't feel it on the inside. Removed the
> wire, marked the leak location on the tube, wiped with alcohol (removing my
> mark in the process, of course), and after it dried put on a Park glueless
> (I like that my Mac autocorrected that to clueless) patch, praying I put it
> in the right location. I put on the patch with air in the tire, figuring
> it's best not to stretch the patch area too much. Installed again (easy, no
> issues), inflated, and set the bike aside. We'll see if the patch is
> successful. Even if it is, though, I think the "TPU tubes are less prone to
> flats" argument seems to be debunked. Which is too bad. I really want to
> like these, but the rationale is dwindling in my experience.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Bike commuting, Rivendells, coffee, music, food, etc.

[Patrick Moore]

Is this the Rivendell Seoul commuter video that someone posted recently, or
another one? -- This one is dated 05/11/2024, so perhaps a different one.
In case it's the latter, I post it here and now. Either the same or another
very fun watch.

https://youtu.be/IzYSqKLosEo

I'd love to hear of others' commutes:

- How far?
- -What environment (urban, suburban, inner city, bleak industrial exurbs,
rural), terrain (flat, hilly, rolling; windy, still, rainy, dry, humid) and
vegetation (concrete, desert, tropical, temperate, savannah) and traffic
(urban danger, suburban feeder, rural solitude, lucky bike path).
- What bike? Photos and excruciating detail about build.
- Photos!

I used to commute across town (~Coors + Montano NW to ~Central + Juan Tabo
NW, or, earlier, Corrales Road + 528 to Carlisle + Indian School NE or
Unser + Ladera to University + Indian School NE), about 15 to 16 miles
1-way, but stopped June 2008 when I started working at home. But I too
found that a morning commute transformed a dreary day of work drudgery into
a "mini-epic" and "micro-vacation," and I had a local builder (Dave Porter
of long-ago time trial and racing bike fame) convert my "nice" 2003 Riv
Road Custom, that had been largely hanging on the wall while I commuted by
(nice) fixed gear beaters into a *very nice* fixed gear commuter; a
decision I never, ever regretted.

As I said, I now work at home but I use a bike for most of my
transportation, putting 3X the miles on my bike as the 600 miles per year
on my old car (mechanicals in top shape but body rather dented thanks to
daughter's 3-year appropriation during high school), with car continuing
the bike theme with stickers including "Old Man Petersen's Ferrous
Velocipedes & Canvas Curios" and the usual Rivendell favorite, "I Like
Eddy."

I just had a very nice time turning a 6/10 mile RT shopping errand into a
13-mile detour with some modest hills and 4 miles of headwind in the hooks;
that's pretty typical nowadays, with errand distances ranging from 11 to 25
miles and "fun" rides -- paved trails, sandy acequia trails and access
roads -- up to 30 miles on 3 bikes, Rivendell or Rivendell-as-model
customs. (Hope this summer God willing to assemble nice drop bar fixed
gear, 1X or S3X, beater to extend errand riding to places where I have to
lock bike up outside; I've been lucky for so long, being able to park my
bike in my office and wheel it through stores in place of a shopping cart).

I think that (at my age at least, 69)  20 to 25 miles RT would be the ideal
commuting distance, as long as the environment is relatively flat and not
too windy for most of the year. I used to commute 20 to 40 miles RT; 30 to
40 rt even as a young 40- and 50-something became a bit wearing, at least
trying to break 60 minutes clock running on a 67" to 70" fixed gear with
luggage and a 7-mile inbound gradual climb.

Hope to see photos and information about your (all y'all's) commute.

Oh: and your coffee, music, snack food.

Coffee: old man taste: strong, rich, black, no sugar. As a tutor long ago
pronounced, "Coffee is not a sugarable beverage." But generally I drink
English Breakfast with milk and a tsp of sugar.

Music: Bach and Handel, post-psychedelic Jerry Garcia, bluegrass.

Food: New Mexico and Italian.





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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Ted Durant]

Update here. I went for a couple of rides, total of 100km, on my new 
584x48's. They certainly feel nice, and at that volume you really are 
dropping noticeable weight from each wheel. By the end of the second ride I 
was thinking the rear felt a little too cushy. A pinch test said there was 
still plenty of pressure. The next morning, though, the tire was completely 
flat. I removed the tube (quite easily, no issues), inflated it a bit, and 
it seemed to be holding air just fine. I thought that for sure I'd be able 
to see a hole in the clear tubing. I swept the inside of the tire and found 
nothing. So, mounted it back up (easy, no issues), inflated it carefully, 
and set the bike aside. A few hours later I checked and it had lost a lot 
of pressure. So, took it out again (easy, no issues), inflated it and 
started running it through a sink full of water. I finally found a very 
tiny leak. Checking the tire in that location I found a tiny bit of wire in 
the outer tread of the tire but couldn't feel it on the inside. Removed the 
wire, marked the leak location on the tube, wiped with alcohol (removing my 
mark in the process, of course), and after it dried put on a Park glueless 
(I like that my Mac autocorrected that to clueless) patch, praying I put it 
in the right location. I put on the patch with air in the tire, figuring 
it's best not to stretch the patch area too much. Installed again (easy, no 
issues), inflated, and set the bike aside. We'll see if the patch is 
successful. Even if it is, though, I think the "TPU tubes are less prone to 
flats" argument seems to be debunked. Which is too bad. I really want to 
like these, but the rationale is dwindling in my experience. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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RE: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Bernard Duhon]

I m running a Campy Athena FD of unknow vintage but I guess its 10 years old.
Paired with a 42-26 & 11-36,  9 Speed
It works very well

Bernard

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Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2024 2:16 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

Thanks Patrick! I saw a really nice bottom pull DA front mech used on eBay, 
first 
gen,
 and it says it has a 16T capacity. Since I'm at 14T differential on my front 
chainrings (38-24),  would this work? Does me running 11-36 cassette have 
anything to do with the front derailleur choice?
On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 2:54:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
Robert: About 10 years ago I swapped out a 3X7 drivetrain on my 2010 Fargo for 
a 2X9. The 3X7 consisted of 46/36/24 rings pulling (iirc) a 15-24 7sp cassette, 
and I swapped that out for a 38/24 X something-like 13-26 9 speed (29 1/2" 
Schwalbe Big Apples, then ditto Big Ones).

The derailleurs were both LX of the period. When I converted the chainrings I 
simply swapped the 46 outer for a (BBG) bashguard, swapped the 36 for a 38, and 
adjusted the FD throw limit screw. I did not change the position of the FD on 
the seat tube. After all, the FD shifted the 36/24 properly in that position, 
and it's not surprising that it shifted the 38/24 properly in the same position.

Later I swapped the LX FD for an ancient Dura Ace FD which I did mount a bit 
lower, but for the bottom of the cage to clear the chainstay as well as for the 
lower edge of the cage to clear the (IIRC, 48 t-size) bash guard, the FD had to 
be placed much where it would have been placed for a 46/36/24. The DA FD worked 
just as well as the LX. Again, 38/24 X 15-24 (or close) drivetrain.

Nowadays, I have a 44/28 wide-range "subcompact" setup and the same DA FD 
positioned high enough above the 44 to clear the 48-t-equivalent bashguard; 
here too front shifts are just fine.

FWIW.

Matthews "road bike for dirt" with 42/28 (before I installed the 44) and Dura 
Ace 740-something FD. There must be close to an inch of gap between the bottom 
of the outer FD cage plate and the top of the teeth of the 42 t ring:

[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/2013139646e69/image.png?part=0.1=1]

On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 12:35 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
Good afternoon group! :) Hoping to tap into the collective wisdom here to pick 
a front derailleur for my Homer build, it's the last piece!

I'll be using the Silver 38/24 crankset, 11-36 cassette with the Shimano Deore 
XT M761 rear derailleur. I saw that the matching XT front says it's for a 
triple chainring, so I need to find something that's for a double.

What would folks recommend?
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Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Robert Calton]

Thanks Patrick! I saw a really nice bottom pull DA front mech used on eBay, 
first 
gen 
,
 
and it says it has a 16T capacity. Since I'm at 14T differential on my 
front chainrings (38-24),  would this work? Does me running 11-36 cassette 
have anything to do with the front derailleur choice? 

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 2:54:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Robert: About 10 years ago I swapped out a 3X7 drivetrain on my 2010 Fargo 
> for a 2X9. The 3X7 consisted of 46/36/24 rings pulling (iirc) a 15-24 7sp 
> cassette, and I swapped that out for a 38/24 X something-like 13-26 9 speed 
> (29 1/2" Schwalbe Big Apples, then ditto Big Ones).
>
> The derailleurs were both LX of the period. When I converted the 
> chainrings I simply swapped the 46 outer for a (BBG) bashguard, swapped the 
> 36 for a 38, and adjusted the FD throw limit screw. I did *not* change 
> the position of the FD on the seat tube. After all, the FD shifted the 
> 36/24 properly in that position, and it's not surprising that it shifted 
> the 38/24 properly in the same position.
>
> Later I swapped the LX FD for an ancient Dura Ace FD which I did mount a 
> bit lower, but for the bottom of the cage to clear the chainstay as well as 
> for the lower edge of the cage to clear the (IIRC, 48 t-size) bash guard, 
> the FD had to be placed much where it would have been placed for a 
> 46/36/24. The DA FD worked just as well as the LX. Again, 38/24 X 15-24 (or 
> close) drivetrain.
>
> Nowadays, I have a 44/28 wide-range "subcompact" setup and the same DA FD 
> positioned high enough above the 44 to clear the 48-t-equivalent bashguard; 
> here too front shifts are just fine.
>
> FWIW.
>
> Matthews "road bike for dirt" with 42/28 (before I installed the 44) and 
> Dura Ace 740-something FD. There must be close to an inch of gap between 
> the bottom of the outer FD cage plate and the top of the teeth of the 42 t 
> ring:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 12:35 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon group! :) Hoping to tap into the collective wisdom here to 
>> pick a front derailleur for my Homer build, it's the last piece! 
>>
>> I'll be using the Silver 38/24 crankset, 11-36 cassette with the Shimano 
>> Deore XT M761 rear derailleur. I saw that the matching XT front says it's 
>> for a triple chainring, so I need to find something that's for a double. 
>>
>> What would folks recommend?  
>>
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[RBW] Re: Photos from last weekend's overnighter

[Josh C]

That's just perfect. Thanks for sharing. 

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 12:34:35 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:

> Fantastic shots Takashi! I especially like the Starlight shot.
>
> John
> Portland OR
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 7:26:07 AM UTC-7 Takashi wrote:
>
>> Here are some photos from last weekend's overnighter.
>> I rode almost same route last year and two years ago, so I didn't take 
>> many photos.
>>
>> Hunqapillar loaded up.
>> For this load, I think TourSacks (rear panniers) would have worked better.
>> [image: ov1.jpg]
>>
>> Momosuke Bridge:
>> [image: ov2.jpg]
>>
>> Short ramble around the campsite:
>> [image: ov3.jpg]
>>
>> [image: ov4.jpg]
>>
>> Obligatory starlight shot:
>> [image: ov5.jpg]
>>
>> The vertical line is an airplane which happened to fly over me:
>> [image: ov6.jpg]
>>
>> Takashi
>>
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[RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Robert Calton]

Good afternoon group! :) Hoping to tap into the collective wisdom here to 
pick a front derailleur for my Homer build, it's the last piece! 

I'll be using the Silver 38/24 crankset, 11-36 cassette with the Shimano 
Deore XT M761 rear derailleur. I saw that the matching XT front says it's 
for a triple chainring, so I need to find something that's for a double. 

What would folks recommend? 

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[RBW] Re: Photos from last weekend's overnighter

[John Bokman]

Fantastic shots Takashi! I especially like the Starlight shot.

John
Portland OR

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 7:26:07 AM UTC-7 Takashi wrote:

> Here are some photos from last weekend's overnighter.
> I rode almost same route last year and two years ago, so I didn't take 
> many photos.
>
> Hunqapillar loaded up.
> For this load, I think TourSacks (rear panniers) would have worked better.
> [image: ov1.jpg]
>
> Momosuke Bridge:
> [image: ov2.jpg]
>
> Short ramble around the campsite:
> [image: ov3.jpg]
>
> [image: ov4.jpg]
>
> Obligatory starlight shot:
> [image: ov5.jpg]
>
> The vertical line is an airplane which happened to fly over me:
> [image: ov6.jpg]
>
> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Dorothy C]

It’s too far for me, and I have early Mother’s day plans with my son and 
his wife, but have fun

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:27:05 PM UTC-7 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:

> Armand, you gotta do it on the platy! now that you've finished building it 
> up, what a perfect chance to get some paint chips from the triple scoop
>
> hope you can share some of the experience on here for us poor souls unable 
> to get out there for the weekend
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:50:10 PM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> @Brian -- Haha, if by double scoop, you mean to swing by Jones' coffee 
>> for some Fosselman's ice cream, I'm with you brother!!  (:
>>
>> @Neale -- I'll definitely be there on Sunday, and intermittently on 
>> Saturday (as time permits). Kinda want to buy a Cub House hoodie, so 
>> this'll be the perfect excuse to stop by. Keep me posted if you do the 
>> basket ridecurrently trying to schedule childcare so I can attend.  
>> /tony-crosses-fingers 
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 10:10:59 AM UTC-7 Neale S. wrote:
>>
>>> I did the double scoop last year on my Atlantis! Would love to see all 
>>> of you there again next weekend. The vibe is usually impeccable. Also 
>>> there's a special Thursday-night basket ride with the Blue Lug folks, which 
>>> should be a good time. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:09:24 AM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>>>
 Armand is not getting me to sign up for the triple scoop. Even the 
 single scoop option sounds brutal enough to me, with 4100 ft elevation 
 gain 
 over 27 miles, but Tony, I'll suffer through it with you if you want to 
 try 
 the single scoop!

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:07:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:28:41 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> This will be a fun weekend put on by the Cub House bicycle/plant shop 
> in Pasadena, CA. 
>
>
> I really wish I was going to be there. Take and post photos!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA 
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Takashi]

Wow, John, that looks like a lot of fun. Looking at beautiful scenery from 
the river must be a very different experience from cycling.
I too am looking forward to seeing more of your photos!

Takashi

2024年5月11日土曜日 3:44:37 UTC+9 John Rinker:

> Hey Wes, I'll look forward to seeing photos of that! I'm confused about 
> your swap- you want country gravel or I80? 
>
> Hey Michael, Urban NYC must require a whole different set of skills than 
> cruising around the desert on trails or rivers. Here's a link to a GaiaGPS 
> track with a few more  photos of the paddle. Another cool feature of this 
> paddle is a herd of wild horses (mustangs) that come to the river to drink. 
> I saw a small group of 15 or so and more solitary ones along the way. 
> Apparently, they are descended from the Spanish horses set free in the 
> 1600s. You probably don't see too many of those in Central Park! 
>
> Salt River Deux 
>
> I'll shoot a photo of the bike loaded with the raft when I paddle again on 
> Monday. 
>
> Cheers, John
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:30:14 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> That looks incredible. More pictures and details please! It's the exact 
>> opposite of my normal bike rides (urban NYC).
>>
>> M
>>  
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 9:52:37 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve got a slow-developing project to create a bike raft out of a $40 
>>> “inflatable camp lounger”. If I can raft 30 feet across an irrigation 
>>> ditch, I can swap gravel country roads for 12 miles of commuting alongside 
>>> interstate 80. I’ll let you know if it works.
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:20:11 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Got it; again, sounds very interesting. I see that Alpacka boats retail 
 basically for the price of an entry-level Clem.

 I should probably buy an entry level Clem first, though.

 On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls 
> into a tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In 
> addition to the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a 
> photo of the bike with the raft on it!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat 
>> fold up small enought to be carried on a rack?
>>
>> I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio 
>> Grande and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation 
>> trail 
>> to various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors 
>> have 
>> a couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry 
>> points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first 
>> one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, 
>> then 
>> rode his bike back north to get his car.
>>
>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Sue, 
>>>
>>> I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a 
>>> few years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any 
>>> other raft without a keel- kind of squirreley. 
>>> With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes 
>>> other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track 
>>> much 
>>> better. 
>>>
>>> Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type 
>>> straps, and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and 
>>> stable. 
>>> If there was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the 
>>> river, 
>>> I'd think twice. 
>>>
>>> Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
>>> [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:
>>>
 John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no 
 bike in the bow. Did you give that a try?
 Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it 
 sink to the bottom of the waterway?

 Sue

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:

> Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.
>
> Curtis
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  
> wrote:
>
>> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for 
>> its maiden voyage down the Salt River. 
>> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
>> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready 
>> to shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my 
>> expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall 
>> bike and 

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