Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Brian Forsee]

You can also use your knee under the saddle and push raise the bike up with 
one leg while having both hands on the bars. One hand on saddle one on bars 
works well also.

Brian

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:47:05 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:

> Whoa whoa whoa! The saddle is not IN my pants ma’am!
> My waistband functions like a handle kinda. Best if wearing jeans.
> Otherwise just use my abdomen to help push the bike up. 
> I knew this would read poorly LOL! 
>
> On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:40, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> I was with you until the saddle was in my pants! What?!?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 11, 2024, at 9:24 PM, lucky...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 
> This is how I do it, Leah. Grab the brake levers, stand kind of behind it, 
> pull the front wheel up and then release the rear brake lever just enough 
> that the back end can roll forward until the bike is getting vertical. Stop 
> that action when you’re about to catch the fender on the ground. Squat down 
> and catch the waistband of your pants under the seat and stand up using 
> your abdomen/pant waistband to lift the whole bike up. 
>
> On Jun 11, 2024, at 18:20, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Ok, ok, I gotcha…and pinching the fenders would make me ill. This is such 
> a good idea. So one Irish strap or a Voile strap should do the trick? But 
> how, pray tell, does one even get their bike to stand vertical?! I lift it 
> overhead every day to hang it on the top of my D’vinci rack, but I’ve never 
> done vertical. Will the train guy help?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 11, 2024, at 9:06 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>
> Here it is! It gives just enough clearance to fully lift the rear wheel 
> and fender off the ground.
> 
>
>
> Collin, back in Berkeley
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 4:26:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh yes, please send that photo! 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 7:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>>
>> I take my 51 Joe Appaloosa on the west coast Amtrak a couple times a 
>> week. I’m not sure about the wheelbase differences with a 55 Platy, but no 
>> one on Amtrak is there with a tape measure checking lengths before you hop 
>> on.
>>
>>
>> The bike is objectively “too long” to fit perfectly on the bike racks. The 
>> “hack” to actually get the bike mounted off the ground and not off kilter 
>> is to tie an Irish strap to the upper railing and use that to joist the 
>> bike up a couple inches. This also saves the fenders from getting pinched. 
>>
>> I’ll get a photo when I hop off the train today.
>> Collin “2 hour working commuter” in Dixon at this moment
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is 
>>> too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are 
>>> rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
>>> would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
>>> the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t 
>>> know what the setup is inside the train cars. 
>>>
>>> If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me 
>>> know. 
>>>
>>> Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but 
>>> that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c 
>>> wheels with the 42mm tires!
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
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[RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Brian Forsee]

I have not taken a long wheel base bike on board the Amtrak but I've 
skirted their tire width limit multiple times. I've never had any conductor 
look at my bike closely at all. I inquired one time about the tire width 
limit and the conductor said he didn't really care what the bike was as 
long as the passenger could get it on and off the train on their own. 
Obviously different conductors may feel differently.  I'd roll the dice if 
I were you. They probably won't say anything and if they do it'll probably 
be a 'just so you know for next time'.

Brian
On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too 
> long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are 
> rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
> would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
> the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t 
> know what the setup is inside the train cars. 
>
> If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me 
> know. 
>
> Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but 
> that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c 
> wheels with the 42mm tires!
>
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bedrock Mountain Clogs Leather Size 13

[Brian Forsee]

Tim/Michael,

Do you guys also have bedrock sandals? Did you size up on the clog compared 
to the sandal? I wear the 12M sandal, but have a little bit of room on the 
footbed. If they made half sizes a 11.5 would probably be spot on for me. I 
don't think my sandals are the new EVO, they are from 2017 (re-sole club!). 

I was really excited about the clogs but was bummed when i found out they 
were not US manufactured and never ended up buying a pair.

Brian

On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 7:07:55 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> I hope you enjoy those new to you clogs Michael!
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 7:05:57 PM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> And sold
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> I picked up a size 12 off the list this month from Tim to replace my too 
>>> large for me size 13s.
>>>
>>> I bought these brand new from Bedrock during their last run last Fall. In 
>>> good shape, some crank wear on the side (I mainly rode in these). There's a 
>>> faint mark on the top of one, I tried to capture in the pics. Soles are in 
>>> great shape.
>>>
>>> $100 shipped in USA
>>>
>>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/LFhFnM3bFmh1jMvKA
>>>
>>> Mike in Minneapolis
>>>
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[RBW] Re: DIY build or order complete?

[Brian Forsee]

I agree with Ken regarding the most difficult part being collecting 
compatible parts. Maybe if you ask nicely riv will sell you a kit-in-a-box? 
That way you can spend time learning and practicing the actual assembly and 
adjustment instead of worrying about if the parts in front of you even can 
play nice together.

Brian

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 11:24:11 AM UTC-5 Ken Yokanovich wrote:

> IMHO, your greatest challenge will be finding and collecting all of the 
> parts necessary to build the bike. I think the key issue being 
> compatibility, when to ignore and when to respect it. Rivendell World 
> Headquarters does an fabulous job when it comes to mechanical wisdom and 
> experience with what works/doesn't. Unless you have experience and a home 
> shop stocked with components and incidentals, I think you will probably 
> wind up spending more building a complete bike yourself. (Even excluding 
> the cost for specialized tools that may be required.)
>
> I strongly encourage you to explore bicycle maintenance on your own, 
> perhaps experiment on an existing used bike. I was VERY young when 
> beginning my bicycle (dis)/assembly and repair. I destroyed a lot of parts 
> in my ignorance and learning experience. Even after YEARS of experience, I 
> learned TONS more later when attending professional training and continued 
> to learn from co-workers and experience with almost every repair while 
> employed as a professional bike mechanic.  No longer working in the 
> industry, I am still always learning. 
>
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 10:32:14 AM UTC-5 Michael wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
>> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike 
>> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
>> inclined. 
>>
>> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
>> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
>> wiser to just order it complete? 
>>
>> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
>> stupid!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

[Brian Forsee]

I don't have a long chain bike myself, but when i was employed as a bike 
mechanic i worked on lots of recumbent bikes. These would require 2-3 
chains,  most of the time 3. We would just splice together 3 chains of the 
same make and model. I ran into problems trying to combine different model 
chains, even from the same manufacturer (obviously these were the same 
speed/width). The easiest way is to use multiple quick links. You can also 
splice them together using the regular link/pin but need to be careful to 
get the pin inserted straight. 

Brian

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 9:57:12 AM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long chain, 
> longer than a single chain.
>
> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
> chain?
>
> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>
> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>
> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] WTB - 9spd Dura Ace downtube shifters

[Brian Forsee]

I don't have any for sale but I can confirm they are worth the $$. 
Beautiful component with a satisfying click in index mode and if your bike 
has a light-ish downtube you can even hear the 'ping' resonate the frame a 
little bit. At least that's what I think I'm hearing on my waterford homer 
I have a set on.

I too wish i had the matching long cage derailleur. 

On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 10:11:24 AM UTC-5 James Valiensi wrote:

> Hi,
> I bought a NOS set from Alex Cycles in Japan a couple years ago. Paid $90. 
> The set they replaced was installed in 2002 and were a bit loose. So, they 
> last about 20-years.
> I wish I had the matching derailleur. 
>
> On Apr 11, 2024, at 7:50 AM, John Dewey  wrote:
>
> Who among us has used Dura-Ace 9-speed dt levers long enough to ‘wear them 
> out’? 
>
> And if so, how long? 
>
> Jock
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 2:28 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 2:48:19 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Also, you can get brand new 9sp bar cons from Rivendell at $140, and 
> elsewhere for a few dollars less.  Some people run bar cons on their down 
> tube shifter bosses, and they work long fine.
>
>
>>  FYI, Grant tells me that he thinks Shimano has stopped making the 9sp 
>> bar-end shifters "after 25 or 26 years of making them". Get 'em while you 
>> can, and expect the price to get eye-watering. 
>>
>> And, yes, you can run them on the down tube. Interesting bit of RBW 
>> history ... I pointed this out to Grant a long time ago, and that the 
>> opposite was true, that downtube shifters could be mounted on Shimano 
>> bar-end pods. And thus were born the Silver 1 bar-end shifters.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA 
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[RBW] Re: Front basket for a Clem?

[Brian Forsee]

The classic answer here is the Wald 137. It's shallower than the bosco 
basket and looks great IMO. Crust bikes also sells a half-depth version of 
both the 137 and (i think) the 139.

Brian F

On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 10:00:19 AM UTC-5 smer...@gmail.com wrote:

> What works well and will not break the bank? I see that Wald Bosco basket 
> that Riv sells, which I'm sure is functional, but sort of unaesthetic.  
> Does anyone have any experience with the Pelago Rasket? Or anything else 
> that will sit relatively low and hold a backpack or a six pack?
>
> smm
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Queen's Ransom (Sort of)

[Brian Forsee]

Thanks for the photos and report John! I have some friends that moved to 
Tucson in 2020 and have been lucky enough to get down to visit them each 
year since. The riding in the Sonora is wonderful! We sliced off a portion 
of the Gila River Ramble a few years ago but bailed early as we had some 
folks that turned out to be in way over their heads. Can confirm the riding 
is extremely strenuous, but the scenery is worth every hike a bike! I've 
been itching to get back and complete it since.

Brian

On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:04:52 AM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> John, excellent!  Nice photos too. Thanks for sharing your experience with 
> us. As a South-easterner (North Carolina) I find the Southwest exotically 
> beautiful - and in particular, the Sonoran desert. 
>
> Steve
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:15:30 AM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great ride report, thanks! 
>> Can you please expound a bit on what  you did for water? 
>> That cannot have been trivial, looking at those pictures.
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 12:26:32 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Yes,  Diana, it's a very special desert indeed! 
>>>
>>> To attach photos I used the 'Insert Photo Attachment' tool at the 
>>> bottom. If your photos are too large of a file size, you will continue to 
>>> get the message you have been getting. Here are the export settings (Apple 
>>> Photos) I use for my photos which come out to about 500-600 KB each. Hope 
>>> this helps.
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2024-03-14 at 9.21.05 PM.png]
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 5:47:24 PM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love the Sonoran desert! Can't wait to move back. Thanks for the 
 great pictures. How did you attach them to your message? When I tried I 
 got 
 nonstop errors saying my message was too large.

 On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 4:43:17 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> [image: IMG_0444.jpeg]
>
> In mid-February my friend and I put our skis away for a couple of 
> weeks and headed to the Sonoran desert for a roll through that beautiful 
> landscape. Weeks of rain preceding our trip left a carpet of green 
> through 
> which ribbons of desert singletrack twisted, climbed, and dipped beneath 
> red stone mountains and narrow canyons. 
>
> [image: IMG_0427.jpeg]
>
> The cacti were fat and happy while they waited for days long and warm 
> enough to bring on a spectacular bloom this Spring. Cold, starry nights 
> made for perfect camping, and riding beneath a toasty sun thawed the 
> morning chill. 
>
> [image: IMG_2736.jpeg]
>
> We planned to ride a mash-up of The Queen's Ransom 
>  and The Gila River 
> Ramble  
> hoping
>  
> to forgo the trek to Florence and the Southeastern suburbs of the Phoenix 
> metroplex. Instead, we would meander the looping trails and canyons 
> between 
> the Superstition Mountains and the Gila River. 
>
> [image: IMG_2776.jpeg]
>
> TQR Creator John Schilling suggests between four and six days to ride 
> the route, so we figured eight days would give us plenty of time to roll 
> casually through the Sonoran and take in the incredible beauty of this 
> place. What we didn't take into account was that the price of admission 
> to 
> this breathtaking landscape was steep- literally and figuratively. It was 
> only half way through the first day when I began to realize that 
> Schilling's estimate surely applied to riders 20 years younger on bikes 
> 20 
> pounds lighter and, perhaps, a 100% more eager to let ‘er rip.
>
> [image: IMG_0442 (1).jpeg]
>
> Instead, as is always the case when my buddy and I team up, we rode, 
> pushed, suffered, and savored at a ‘my contact lens is around here 
> somewhere’ pace. Though we certainly enjoy speedy descents on single 
> track 
> or fire roads, the Sonoran is a biome bursting with life and invites a 
> more 
> intentional approach. 
>
> [image: IMG_2743.jpeg]
>
> Our eight days cruising on bikes included plenty of time out of the 
> saddle to kick stones and poke around in the plants that were, in fact, 
> so 
> eager to poke us. Our days alternated between riding sweet single track 
> or 
> pleasant gravel roads and pushing bikes up narrow, rocky outcroppings. It 
> was a challenging ride that left us ready to roll out our sleeping bags 
> each evening. 
>
> [image: IMG_0436.jpeg]
>
> About an hour or so before sunset we’d begin to scope out a place to 
> camp- a patch of grass among the saguaros or a grassy slope beneath the 
> soaring walls of a canyon. Each evening we made sure there 

[RBW] Re: Long Riv cranks are cheap now.

[Brian Forsee]

As a fan of long cranks i am tempted by this deal. I believe it is only for 
the external bearing bb cranks though.

Brian

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:13:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The email update says 177 and 184 Silver cranks are 40% off.  Nows the 
> time to get them if you zig while others zag.  
>
> If one of you has a 173 and are looking to go longer, I may be willing to 
> take your 173.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Rim life - shimano vs. other brake pads?

[Brian Forsee]

At the risk of sending this thread on a tangent, I will pose a related 
question.

How do you measure rim wear due to braking? Anecdotally? Or do you put 
numbers to it? How worn do you go before replacing a rim purely due to 
brake wear?

-Brian 

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 8:45:46 AM UTC-6 josh.yo...@gmail.com wrote:

> 100% agree with Will. I use Swissstop GXP Blues on my road bikes and Kool 
> Stop salmons on everything else (Paul’s, MAFAC’s, etc.). I find that Kool 
> Stop blacks chew through rims in our Seattle weather. 
>
> Josh
> Seattle, WA
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 11:56:18 AM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:
>
>> I only ever use Kool Stop Salmon or SwissStop BXP.  No other pad is worth 
>> my time.  I fully realize my post is not useful to you at all :)
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-5 chintan jadwani wrote:
>>
>>> I was looking for reviews on a specific rim (Sun CR18) and ended up on a 
>>> Thorn forum where users kept mentioning that they were experiencing shorter 
>>> rim life as Shimano brake pads were eating up the brake surface much faster 
>>> - and switching brake pads made a significant difference.
>>>
>>> I'm curious if any of your experiences have been similar?
>>>
>>> chintan
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Who wants a fender bird?

[Brian Forsee]

I'd totally rock a fender bird! Very cool.

On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 11:03:44 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:

> Nice..he should get you to do it
>
> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 10:34:07 AM UTC-6 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> Just a thought, but why not? Plenty of raptors around Riv HQ. Maybe if we 
>> all twist Grant's wing he'll come up with something cool. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
>> [image: RBW Fender Bird.jpg]
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2023-12-18 at 11.31.10 AM.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Coaster Brakes for a Beachy Clem Build

[Brian Forsee]

I think a coaster clem would be sick!  The Mone hub builds are based on the 
shimano CBE110 hub. I think for your application an off the shelf CBE110 
would do the job just fine. You would however need to space it out to 
135mm. The stock axle is likely not long enough so you'd need to install a 
longer one with spacers/washers on either side to get you to 135mm. If you 
are replacing the axle, it would be worthwhile to go ahead and use a cromo 
axle which will be stronger than the stock one. The rest of the typical 
mods are mostly related to temperature control and grease flow, neither of 
which are very critical for a low-usage beach cruiser.

Bill's point #1 is something to consider tho. The only way i see around 
this is a threaded eccentric bottom bracket. Phil wood makes an extra fancy 
one, Velo orange makes an affordable one. I haven't tried either of those 
but have tried one by german company TrickStuff!, that has worked well for 
me. I believe the TrickStuff one is no longer in production.

Sounds like a fun project! 

Brian



On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 12:15:35 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The show stoppers that I would fear are:
>
> 1. A coaster brake requires a no-tensioner way to take up chain slack.  On 
> normal cruisers, that's done with horizontal dropouts.  The Clem has 
> vertical dropouts.  
> 2. Cheap coaster brake hubs are not 135mm and the Clem is 135mm O.L.D.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 9:58:30 AM UTC-8 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> I'm considering converting my 64 Clem L frame into a beach cruiser and 
>> kid hauler to keep at my in-laws' place in Florida. The bike is currently 
>> stripped down to just F/F/HS/BB, so starting from scratch here. I can 
>> source most of the components from my various parts bins, but looking into 
>> doing a coaster brake set up which I do not have on-hand. 
>>
>> Anyone have experience with setting up a coaster brake'd bike? (Not 
>> specifically on a Clem, just any bike in general.) I see MONē has a pretty 
>> bas 
>> ass coaster brake wheel 
>>  that's 
>> built on-demand, but I'm not sure it's worth $325++ as I'd prefer to keep 
>> the build as inexpensive as possible (we're only down there a few times a 
>> year). Any other off-the-shelf coaster brake wheelset recommendations? 
>>
>> Also, what other fun components make it a certified beach cruiser? I have 
>> some VO Klunker bars to throw on there and I got some some inspirational 
>> ideas at the two below links (LOOK barefoot pedals per Crust Matt's 
>> Romanceur, pops of anodized components, etc.). Maybe a B-O-B or Frances 
>> Cycles trailer to haul gear to the beach? What else is fun? 
>>
>>
>> https://theradavist.com/the-coaster-brake-challenge-and-yall-thought-you-were-a-freak/
>>
>> https://droppedchain.com/first-gen-romanceur/
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Brian Forsee]

Ride the Atlantis! It'll probably be fine and worst case scenario it gets 
stolen and not recovered, and it sounds like that would not be an end of 
the world situation for you.

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 10:38:57 AM UTC-6 Josiah Anderson wrote:

> I commute to a college campus in a city with a notorious bike theft 
> problem on my Gus Boots-Willsen and my Crust Lightning Bolt, so I would say 
> go for it with the Atlantis. I always lock up in high-traffic areas, use 
> two locks if leaving it overnight, and ideally lock near more mainstream 
> "nice" bikes that would be more attractive to thieves. I figure that to 
> most eyes my Crust looks like a bike boom 10 speed and my Gus looks like a 
> beach cruiser, and if there's a Specialized mtb next to it that's the more 
> likely target. 
>
> The only time I really feel the need to use my "beater" bike (currently a 
> Bianchi Volpe) is in the winter when the roads are salty. I don't know what 
> Indianapolis winters are like, but if the roads are salty and gross, I 
> would hesitate to ride a Riv. It just ruins bikes so fast if you don't get 
> around to cleaning and re-lubing regularly, which is often the case for me 
> with about 80 hours a week of school and work.
>
> Good luck with your decision!
>
> Josiah 
> Missoula MT
>
> Le jeu. 7 déc. 2023 à 7:49 AM, Josh C  a écrit :
>
>> Hello all. I find myself trying to make a decision regarding which bike 
>> to use as my commuter. 
>>
>> Background: I live in Indianapolis and ride my bike for a good chunk of 
>> my daily needs. I have a short commute to work which is done on bike 90% of 
>> the time. I usually work from 5:20-ish am to about 6:30 pm 3-4 days a week. 
>> The only days I don't ride in are if it's pouring rain when I get up, or 
>> the snow is too deep to get through. I could ride in the rain, and don't 
>> mind it on the way home, but already get up at 4:30 am and simply don't 
>> have time to change or mess with it on work days. I'm commuting on a 
>> Rohloff-equipped Surly Ogre currently and have put less than 1K miles on my 
>> car this year. We live near downtown and are a short ride to many things 
>> that we like to do. We often ride to ball games, art exhibits, concerts, 
>> dinners, drinks...you name it.  
>>
>> Dilemma: Now I warned you that this is a 1st world problem, but here 
>> goes. I have several Riv's and they are my favorite bikes to ride but I 
>> find myself on the Ogre more often than any other bike. I may accumulate 
>> more miles on my Rivs, as I ride a Toyo Atlantis as my all-road bike, but I 
>> do way more trips on the Surly. For some reason, I simply feel more 
>> comfortable locking up the Surly for 13 hours or outside of a music venue 
>> downtown than I do a Rivendell. In my mind, the Riv seems like more of a 
>> target for would-be thieves than the Surly and thus it gets most of the 
>> day-to-day duty. The thing is that I enjoy riding a Rivendell much more 
>> than the Surly and, after giving this some thought, had decided to buy a 
>> Clem when this latest batch of completes was released, and start using it 
>> for my daily driver. 
>>
>> However, after doing some math in my head, and realizing that I'd likely 
>> change a lot of the Clem complete build, I am thinking that I'd might as 
>> well ride one of the Rivs that I currently own. By the time I get the Clem 
>> to my door, I've spent $2500 with shipping and tax. I'd change the bars, 
>> add a saddle, add fenders, have the front wheel rebuilt with a dyno hub, 
>> and so on. I'd easily be into it for $3K or more. My Surly has a $1400 rear 
>> hub and is easily over the $3K mark. 
>>
>> I am lucky enough to have two Rivendell Atlantis and a Hunq. I've owned 
>> several others in the past as well. One of the Atlantis bikes that I have 
>> would fit the bill. It's the more recent style with the longer wheelbase & 
>> double top tube. These are super sturdy bikes that wouldn't mind being 
>> loaded up and taken to work. I've already got a wheelset with a dyno hub 
>> and a light lying around here somewhere. I purchased this bike for $3K this 
>> summer from a local guy. I didn't need the bike but just couldn't pass it 
>> up as it was so cool! 
>>
>> I thought to myself: I've locked up more expensive bikes at work for 13 
>> hours or at music venues until the wee hours of the night without issue, so 
>> why not just do the bulk of my riding on a bike that I truly enjoy riding? 
>> What am I saving it for? 
>>
>> Questions: Is my logic sound? Do you think that riding a nice Riv to 
>> work, to lock it up outside all, day in a city, is a dumb idea? Do you 
>> commute on a Riv that is left outside all day? 
>>
>> *I'd also like to use this as an opportunity to see some of your 
>> commuters. Feel free to post a pic of your daily driver and also, let us 
>> know if you lock it up outside or not. *
>>
>> The potential commuter. (I'd change the fenders and bars)
>> [image: IMG_0630 Medium.jpeg]
>>
>> My current 

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Brian Forsee]

Has anyone had their bike denied on Amtrak due to wheelbase length? The 
Amtrak I take occasionally has a 2" tire width limit in their fine print, 
but I have never had an issue even though all my tires are larger than 
that. I asked a conductor once and he basically said if its a standard bike 
(non-recumbent, non e-fat is what he mentioned) he didn't care. Obviously 
you can't assume every train official will be lax about it but I'm curious 
if anyone has had issues.

Brian

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:25:15 AM UTC-6 allan@gmail.com wrote:

> It depends what type of bike-related service is available on the Amtrak 
> line you will be taking. The dimensions Joe cites are for checked, in a 
> box. 
>
> I occasionally bring a bike on the train  from where I live in southern 
> Vermont to New York City via the Albany Amtrak station. On this line there 
> is only carryon service and there are only 4 special bike lockers 
> available. The bike hangs from the rear wheel and the front wheel must be 
> removed beforehand. It’s a bodged-up arrangement and I have to lash the 
> frame with my own straps to keep everything from swinging and damaging the 
> frame’s finish.
>
> I’ve taken both an Yves Gomez and a Trek crit bike. Both have 650b wheels. 
> I’ve never actually measured the vertical space afforded by the locker but 
> without a front wheel it seemed that there might be another 8-10” 
> available; I’ll bring a tape next time.
>
> Allan, in snowy Marlboro, Vt.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 2:54:13 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Size and weight limit restrictions: 50 lbs. and 70" x 41" x 8.5". Your 
>> bike will be approximately 4-5 inches too long for Amtrak. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:53:28 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I ordered a 55 Platy in the last presale, was thinking of taking amtrak 
>>> to pick it up in person and bring it with me back, Oakland to LA. Can 
>>> someone confirm whether or not the bike will be accepted on the train 
>>> without boxing it up? Please and thank you. Good luck with your 
>>> Platycisions Leah! 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 7:13:48 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
 I am with George. Once you have more than a certain number of bikes (a 
 number you are certain to have opinions about), one of them should be a 
 folder!
 Great for train travel.
 Great for guests (they fit all kinds of people).
 Great for conversation starter.
 Can be stored in a closet, attic, under the stairs, etc...

 Good luck!

 Edwin

 On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:16:07 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:

> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH would 
> not be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some models are 
> equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They come 
> with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of course, 
> they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel bike and 
> you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with 
> carry-on 
> bikes.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But 
>> maybe not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>
>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH 
>> range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t 
>> have 
>> them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long 
>> for 
>> buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with 
>> my 
>> bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says 
>> she 
>> can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets 
>> some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride 
>> that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>
>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. 
>> Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be 
>> a 
>> real experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys 
>> a 
>> girl can have.
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Expert level bike commuting strategies?

[Brian Forsee]

Lots of great info in here. I have an easy commute, about 4 miles each way, 
but I have the constantly fluctuating midwest weather to deal with. I'll 
offer a counterpoint to some previously mentioned advice of minimizing what 
you carry. Overall I agree with keeping your load to a minimum, with the 
exception of some clothing accessories. In the fall/winter i keep some 
stuff in my commute bag full time.

Things like:  Rain Gear. 2 pair gloves (I have gloves for below freezing 
and some dotty wools and keep them both on the bike. Wear the wrong ones to 
start? Pull over and swap em out real quick. No sweat!) Same goes for 
winter head gear. Maybe even an extra sweater. 

I find i fret over the details of the weather less when i know i can easily 
make some mid-ride adjustments to my clothing.


On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:34:19 AM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

I've been commuting for 13 years. My current commute is suburban, about 6 
miles each way.  Lots of great advice here and as expected I learned 
something new (sealant in tubes! sign me up!)
I would try new things to constantly improve your commute (equipment, 
route, clothes)

   - Try changing up luggage, cockpit (handlebar, grips, stems), tires, etc
   - Dynamo lights are awesome and help with safety during the day
   - I'm prepared, but I don't change my schedule for a weather *forecast*
   - I leave clothes and another computer at work to avoid lugging them 
   every day. I shower before I leave.
   - Choose different routes to avoid left hooks/cross traffic, etc.  It's 
   worth making your trip longer sometimes.
   - I got an ebike and take that on some days when I'm really unmotivated 
   or it's hot/windy, etc. 
   - The time difference between really pushing myself and just pleasantly 
   cruising is like 5-7 minutes, tops. 


Thanks,
Tom 
Reston, VA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift Sonora Daypack, Swift Sitka Hip Pack, Fat Cat Bags Hip Pack

[Brian Forsee]

I am so bummed I missed out on that Fat Cat bag. I've got the one without 
the water bottle spots I've been using daily for years. I'm sure its new 
owner will be very happy!

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 1:20:28 PM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Fat Cat Bag is sold
>
> Swift Daypack now $90 shipped
> Swift Sitka Hip Pack now $35 shipped
>
> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 10:33:58 AM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>> Selling a few items here.  All in excellent condition.
>>
>> 1.  Swift Sonora Daypack
>>
>> XPAC Burgundy with Dyneema Packloth liner
>> 13L
>> Made in Seattle
>> admin pocket, two bottle pockets, front zip pocket in body.  
>> No sternal strap
>>
>> ASKING $100 shipped CONUS
>>
>> 2.  Swift Sitka Hip Pack
>> Two pockets, reflective strip, awesome orange color
>> Made in Seattle
>> Asking $40 shipped CONUS
>>
>> 3.  Fat Cat Hip Bag
>> Awesome bikepacking hip bag.
>> Fat Cat was a garage operation out of Chico, no longer making bags
>> See his work here:  https://www.instagram.com/fatcatbikebags/?img_index=
>> Awesome bag, holds two purist bottles, has two pockets.  Great accessory 
>> for bikepacking, day hikes, or city exploration
>> Grey and Blue
>> Made in Chico
>> Asking $80 shipped CONUS
>>
>> Pics Here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/iWr5wZVV97mxduEN8
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno

[Brian Forsee]

When I first heard about the Roaduno I was over the moon about it, however 
my interest has continued to decline as more and more details become 
available. I love the clean lines single speed setups offer so the addition 
of the rear hanger and routing for a front derailleur is a major bummer to 
me. Could I cut it off? Sure. Do I want to do that on a brand new single 
speed oriented bike? No. I was also excited about tire clearance. I believe 
at some point clearance for 55's and fenders was mentioned, but with it now 
being referred to as a single speed homer I'm assuming that it'll be more 
like 40-something w/ fenders.

I'm sure it'll still be a great bike and sounds like it'll have a ton of 
versatility built in.

Brian

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:09:37 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> But Rivendell offers many options for those that want a geared bike. It 
> seems odd that someone would want to overly gear up this single speed. I am 
> agreement that the hanger should not be on there. I am OK with two rings on 
> the front with no derailler. Thats bare bones.
>
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 3:07:06 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:
>
>> "...or use a 120mm rear wheel and have a full on geared bike. I’ve fit 8 
>> cogs with “10-speed” spacing onto a 120mm cassette hub from Grand Bois. A 
>> 2x8 RoadUno would be pretty funny. "
>>
>> I can pretty much guarantee you that it will not have any braze-ons for 
>> rear shifting, so one would need to source some old-school clamp-on cable 
>> stops.
>>
>> I'm only slightly bothered by the derailleur hanger and (possible) front 
>> shift braze-on. Riv attracts an...esoteric? kind of bike clientele, so I 
>> get it, though I really wish the frame was pure, clean, single-speed.  But 
>> as Grant said in an email exchange we had about the Roaduno, it's a lot 
>> easier to saw a derailleur hanger off than it is to weld one on.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "A 2x8 RoadUno would be pretty funny."
>>>
>>> Roll up to RBW on that so Grant can shake his head, "What is wrong with 
>>> you, Bubba?" 
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:33:43 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 …or use a 120mm rear wheel and have a full on geared bike. I’ve fit 8 
 cogs with “10-speed” spacing onto a 120mm cassette hub from Grand Bois. A 
 2x8 RoadUno would be pretty funny. 

 Bill Lindsay 
 El Cerrito Ca


 On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 1:27 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> You could singlespeed an existing frame, but this one is designed so 
> you DON'T need a tensioner for it if you're definitely-fer-sure going to 
> stick with one gear. 
>
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:11:05 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> My area is way too hilly and I am way too old to entertain a single 
>> speed (or two or three speed) anyway so its not something I am 
>> interested 
>> in BUT I was still curious. If its designed to use a tensioner then why 
>> not 
>> just single speed one of their existing bikes?
>>
>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:19:37 AM UTC-4 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> Correction - not track dropouts; horizontal facing forward (I think).
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:15:07 AM UTC-7 velomann wrote:
>>>
 Grant wants folks to be able to run a double crankset and front 
 derailleur if they want. It's an odd duck for sure; 120mm rear spacing 
 with 
 track dropouts but a derailleur hanger. And there might be a braze-on 
 for 
 running a shift cable for a front derailleur if they can't find a good 
 bolt-on option.
 Wouldn't be my choice but I'm getting one anyway ;-)

 Mike M

 On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:28:39 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Question about thatif it requires a string tensioner then what 
> makes it a singlespeed specific frame? He said it had horizontal 
> dropouts 
> which is what would typically fix the need for a tensioner.
>
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:19:40 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> The PLP interview mentioned the samples coming late this month, 
>> and the production frames probably pushed over new years now.  I 
>> have to 
>> say, when Grant said it's essentially a singlespeed Homer, I became 
>> suddenly interested. 
>>
>> On Friday, 7 July 2023 at 09:44:49 UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> The mid-May Blahg did say December in purple and dark orange. Or 
>>> purple and Sergio green. 
>>>
>>> We will see!
>>>
>>> Love the idea of it,
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:40:16 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The mid-May 

Re: [RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[Brian Forsee]

Laing,

I hereby support your experiment and subsequent photos/report to the group. 
Would be pretty neat imo. 

Brian

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:37:10 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> All good points, Patrick. Placement is very personal issue. 
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 10:24 AM lconley  wrote:
>
>> I have considered buying two of them and using them as the finishing tape 
>> for the handlebar tape. - actual bell body forward of the handlebar.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:25:34 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, 
>>> smartly engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's 
>>> my story and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]
>>>
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[RBW] FT Size L MUSA Pant Grey

[Brian Forsee]

Hello all,

When Riv first re-issued the MUSA pant as 'byk-r-slax' i picked up a pair 
in both M and L. This was in Feb 2021. The medium fit great and i've worn 
the hell out of them since then. The L were big and have been chillin in 
the original packaging since then, and i'm finally getting around to moving 
them on. 

Ideally, I'd like to trade them for one of the following:

MUSA pant size M - any color
MUSA cycling baggies size M - any color
MUSA short size S - any color (size S from the newer style)
Also would been interested in older button up MUSA shirts. Pretty sure i 
take a large in those.

Or, let me know what else you've got and lets make a deal! Looking to do a 
straight trade. I ship to you you ship to me. Pics at link below.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-0B9b-BqEmHQ6eKkiC66q1j59p33OX96?usp=drive_link


Brian

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[RBW] Re: When to Replace a Helmet?

[Brian Forsee]

This is always a tough call. My opinion is if you are on the fence and the 
cost of replacing is not a large barrier for you replacing is the way to 
go. The foam on a helmet will yield when it has seen an impact past its 
design. Often times the foam will yield on the inside face (head side) of 
the foam in the form a small crack. Pressing from the outside perpendicular 
to the helmet can help to see the cracks easier. Check your helmet 
carefully for any cracks. Any crack in the foam necessitates replacement in 
my opinion. Also good to check the outside face for any deformities. If 
there are any dips or deformed spots from the impact, I would replace. 

Brian





On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 1:46:20 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> These seem like reasonable guidelines. My helmet is at least three years 
> old, I'm not super motivated to replace it yet but I would if it took a 
> knock on the ground today. 
>
>
> https://off.road.cc/content/feature/when-should-you-replace-your-bicycle-helmet-1280
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 11:25:32 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Back in October, I was turning onto a path via a curb cut, but I was 
>> going too fast and my front wheel slid out from under me. I scraped my hand 
>> and chin, and my knee was bruised and swollen. As I landed on my shoulder, 
>> my head flopped to the side and gently *tapped* the concrete. 
>>
>> If I hadn’t been wearing a helmet, my head would not have touched the 
>> ground. The force with which my head and helmet touched the ground felt 
>> equivalent to bumping your head on a desk as you bend down to pick up a 
>> pencil: you’re surprised, but not hurt. I didn’t lose consciousness or have 
>> neck pain, and my helmet has no visible scratches or scuffs. 
>>
>> I’ve heard and read helmets should be replaced after a crash--but what’s 
>> the degree of severity? Are there any rules-of-thumb e.g. if the helmet was 
>> scuffed from the impact, get a new helmet? The force with which my head 
>> touched the ground didn’t feel hard or severe, but is that because the 
>> helmet absorbed the impact? Do I need a new helmet?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Clean AND Buttery Shifting?

[Brian Forsee]

What are the two derailleurs on the bikes? The strength of the derailleur 
spring also plays a part in how much force is needed to move the shift 
lever. Same would go for the condition of the derailleur's pivots.

Brian

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 12:40:55 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I have had multiple sets of Silver1 and Silver2 shifters. There can be a 
> lot of difference between "identical" shifters.
>
> You can try swapping shifters between bicycles and see if the feel follows 
> the shifter or stays with the bike.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 12:29:55 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Thank you Piaw. This sounds like a fine option for the future when cables 
>> need replacing. Right now everything is pretty new and in great shape.
>>
>> I guess my question in this regard is more about why the shifting would 
>> be different given that all the variables appear to be identical. I'd love 
>> to replicate the way my Hunq shifts in my Atlantis, and so am curious as to 
>> which variables I might be overlooking. 
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:16:05 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Consider the Shimano OT-SP41 coated shift cables: 
>>> https://amzn.to/463eUM8
>>>
>>> I haven't needed them yet, but I did try the brake cable version and 
>>> it's very impressive.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 6:28:07 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Eliot. Yes, cable housings are filed and run in very smooth 
 curves with no bends. I'll try easing off on the binding. 

 Cheers,
 John

 On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 5:35:58 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Also, did you file your cut housing ends?
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 5:34 PM Eliot Balogh  
> wrote:
>
>> Hey John,
>>
>> It’s a little hard to tell over the internet but based on your 
>> description, a few thoughts come to mind. Are your cable runs clean with 
>> easy bends ? Is your housing contaminated ? Can you ease off the binding 
>> bolt on your shifter ?
>>
>> I have always avoided lubing my cables out of fear of attracting 
>> dirt. 
>>
>> Eliot 
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 3:15 PM John Rinker  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Both my Hunqapillar and Atlantis shift cleanly and, given the state 
>>> of the rider on a given day, precisely. The Hunq has buttery shifting 
>>> all 
>>> across the rear cogs- easy, smooth, and...buttery! The Atlantis, 
>>> however, 
>>> is smooth but a little more resistant to change, and requires a little 
>>> more 
>>> force. 
>>>
>>> Both bikes have the same lengths of cable housing lined with a 
>>> silicon spray and the cables are greased with Slick Honey. The Hunq 
>>> sports 
>>> Silver Shifters 1.0 and the Atlantis, Gran Compe. Both as bar ends.  
>>> Aren't 
>>> these were basically the same shifters?
>>>
>>> So, what gives?
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
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[RBW] Re: Whoosa Getting an Appaloosa? 2023

[Brian Forsee]

I will not be ordering an Appaloosa but MAN OH MAN THAT PURP

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 8:11:29 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> [image: appaloosa.jpg]
>
> Good luck to the appaloosa buyers today, I imagine the frenzy is much 
> toned down since '21. Here's my 60cm from that batch that I recently 
> switched to albatross bars. I too like Eric have played around a bit with 
> parts since its initial build and will probably continue to do so. Addicted 
> to handlebar swaps.
>
> excited to see some folks build up some purple appaloosa's
> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 8:26:07 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all — Who's getting an Appaloosa today? What color frame? Are you 
>> building it up or Rivendell? How are you specifying the build? What size 
>> tires? Which bars? 
>>
>> I got mine built up in 2021 and had it built by Mark Abele at Riv. But 
>> within a year I'd replaced the bars, stem, shifters, front wheel, rear 
>> derailer, front derailer and maybe something else I'm forgetting! It's been 
>> a great bike. 
>>
>> Best of luck to everyone logging on today, I hope the sale is nice and 
>> relaxed rather than a frantic shootout. Back in 2021 the Platypus and 
>> Appaloosa frames sold out with lightning speed. It seems things have calmed 
>> a bit based on the last several frame releases. 
>>
>> Let us know what you're ordering. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Tumbleweed Persuader Bars, what stem length did you settle on?

[Brian Forsee]

I've used these bars a good amount. First on my single speed mtb and now on 
my omnium cargo bike. On the mtb I used a 50. Currently am running a 90mm 
on the cargo as the top tube is on the short-ish side, however i am 
considering either a bar with even more swoop or brining them stem into 
maybe a 70mm.

Brian

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 1:17:00 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:

>   My Jones bars turned out to have more backward sweep than my wrists felt 
> comfortable with, so I ordered some Persuader bars to try out on my 
> Hunqapillar.
>
>I know everyone one's anatomies & riding styles are different, but was 
> curious what stem lengths Persuader bar users tried out and / or settled on?
>
> Thanx,
> John Phillips
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

[Brian Forsee]

Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.

Brian

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 9:57:11 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> And climbing, at least the steeper hills. At least, I find a very 
> noticeable difference in ease of climbing on my lightest bike (18 lb, 76” 
> gear) and my heaviest with road tires — tires that roll as well as those on 
> the lightest bike (32 lb, derailleur gears).
>
> But with good tires and an aero tuck, with the weight of the Platypus you 
> should outcoast many others downhill.
>
> Patrick Moore
>
> > On May 16, 2023, at 7:48 AM, DavidP  wrote: … As to 
> the difference between the Platypus and a lighter road bike - with riding 
> position accounted for above, it's mostly in acceleration.
>

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[RBW] Re: forthcoming Hillibike "combo" predictions?

[Brian Forsee]

I agree Laing... I also remember seeing some Riv documentation somewhere 
mentioning a 'Lugged Susie' in the works. I'm interested to see the final 
details of this model. I'd personally like to fall further towards the 
Gus/dedicated mountain bike/off road touring end of the spectrum but the 
evidence is pointing the other direction. 

Brian

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 3:44:12 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Well a hardy har-har Clem Ls aren't "girls bikes" any more than Appaloosas 
> are "boys bikes", the location of the toptube-to-seattube intersection is 
> part of a frame. Frames don't have gender, they have different stepover 
> heights. 
>
> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 10:20:35 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> My guess is swooptube. My hope is it leans towards the Gus side of the 
>> equation with 1-1/8" threadless and heavier duty tubes, I feel that the 
>> Susie/Wolbis side was already adequately covered by like 7 different 
>> Rivbikes. I've just started trail riding again (after many years) and may 
>> pop for this new frame if it specs out to my preferences. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 9:35:53 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know anything specific about this new Hillibike iteration 
>>> scheduled for October? Care to make any speculations or predictions? 
>>> According to the latest Riv IG post, it only says "lugged, green and dark 
>>> gold".
>>>
>>> My main questions are:
>>> Will it have a straight top tube like the Platy / Roscoe Bubbe, or the 
>>> nice graceful swoopy one like Gus / Susie / Charlie?
>>>
>>> 1" threaded or 1-1/8" threadless (like Gus)?
>>>
>>> Heavier tubing (like Gus), or lighter duty (like Susie)?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Is there a short "under-top-tube" bag that is not a frame bag and snugs up to the head tube?

[Brian Forsee]

I'm gonna plug a local bag maker in my town of St. Louis. I have a couple 
bags from him and have been impressed with the quality. He does custom 
frame bags and I'm sure can whip up something that will work for you! 
Prices are reasonable IMO.

https://www.southcitystitchworks.com/

-Brian

On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 1:41:18 PM UTC-5 tommc...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0091UCYHM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
>
> I have used these on several bike and they are perfectly fine.  not quite 
> as cool as a custom bag, but really effective for 11.00
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:00:15 AM UTC-6 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> The other day I happened to notice Analog has a BlueLug top tube bag that 
>> might fit your need: 
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/fairweather-weird-top-tube-bag
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 9:22:51 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Re: Corner bag, it doesn’t look like there’s an attachment point at the 
>>> pointy end… but it would probably work if your frame had a really short 
>>> head tube.
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2023, at 9:02 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Thanks; the Corner Bag might work, but can they attach at the short end 
>>> to the head tube? I couldn't quite make that out.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 5:03 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>
 Patrick, have you looked at the Fairweather line of bags that Blue Lug 
 sells (as their own bag brand)? They have quite a few different frame and 
 half frame options, as well as some pretty nifty wedge bags that are made 
 to fit in the space behind the seat tube for those who own Clems, Platys, 
 Gus / Susie, etc.

 Here's a link (there's a lot of Fairweather stuff that's not just bags, 
 so you may need to click through several pages):
 https://global.bluelug.com/brands/fairweather.html

 -Brian

 On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 6:57:04 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oveja Negra does give dimension if you scroll all the way down. I was 
> just looking at them. Also, my very favorite folks to deal with & top 
> notch 
> quality. All handmade in Colorado.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 17, 2023, at 6:31 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Just looked at site; the dummies don't give dimensions. Does anyone 
> know them for the Small?
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 4:08 PM Richard Rose  
> wrote:
>
> Like this?
>>
> 
>> Superwedgie™ Frame Bag 
>> 
>> ovejanegrabikepacking.com 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2023, at 5:45 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Bags by Bird “Better Half”?
>> 
>> Better Half - Small Short (S-M Bikes) 
>> 
>> bagsxbird.com 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Steven Sweedler  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Patrick, take a look at this Jandd bag
>> https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FFP
>> might be a few inches longer than you like
>> Steve
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 5:37 PM Patrick Moore  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a smallish bag that fits under the top tube at the front of 
>>> the top tube and cinches to the head tube?
>>>
>>> I've owned many top-of-top-tube bags like the Revelate Gas Tank and 
>>> several frame bags that fit along the full length of the tube under the 
>>> top 
>>> tube. I've also had top tube bags that snug up against the seat tube. 
>>> But 
>>> I've never seen a short bag no more than 12" long and no more than 6" 
>>> deep 
>>> that fits under the top tube and straps to the head tube. Does anyone 
>>> know 
>>> of such a bag?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Brian Forsee]

I've also had good luck with the 7400... currently shifting a 44/24 combo 
quite nicely. They seem to still be reasonable on ebay but certainly are 
more like $40-$70.

Brian

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hehe, if you ever need to make rent put that nice used Dura-Ace mech on 
> Ebay now 
>
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 11:28:17 AM UTC-7 Kieran J wrote:
>
>> Well, maybe I shouldn't speak in such absolutes :-) I got a nice used one 
>> on eBay many years ago for $15. YMMV!
>>
>> KJ
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:18:22 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> +1. My 7400-series FDs shift a 42/28 perfectly despite having to be set 
>>> rather high above the 42 t ring. In fact, they have to be set high to clear 
>>> the BBBashguard in the outer position.
>>>
>>> Kieran: "Cheap," did you say? I'd like to get a spare; what's your 
>>> source?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 6:42 PM Kieran J  wrote:
>>>
 My favourite FD for this type of scenario is the Dura-Ace 7400 double. 
 It works amazing on a compact wide-range crankset. Cheap as chips too.

 KJ

>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB - John’s Strap

[Brian Forsee]

+whatever for Voile straps. The itty bitty ones are great for attaching 
bags to bars and saddles, and the long ones are great for just about 
anything.
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:50:32 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> John's straps are the same as the classic Arno straps. If you don't need 
> the rainbow version, you can get them in black for cheap by the pair at 
> scamazon or wherever. I used to be able to get them at my Ace Hardware. 
>
> https://www.coghlans.com/arno-straps-24-7-2-pack-8424
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:05:51 AM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> I use Rok Straps a lot on my cargo bike to secure loads. They stretch 
>> nicely and cinch down securely. I’ve never had one slip. They come in a 
>> variety of sizes and are relatively cheap. You can get them with reflective 
>> thread which is nice at night.
>>
>> I believe they were developed for motorcycle use so perfect on a bicycle 
>> as well.
>>
>> [image: 
>> 61eyLz1m9EL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFIVE,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA1%2C263,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
>>
>> ROK Straps ROK-10358 Black/Reflective 12" - 42" Pack Adjustable Stretch 
>> Strap 
>> 
>> amazon.com 
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Keith P.  wrote:
>>
>> Hey gang,
>>
>>
>> I’m fed up with not having a few good straps around for maintenance and 
>> securing cargo.
>>
>> Does anyone have any John’s straps in irish or watermelon to spare?
>>
>> I would love to purchase a couple if they are out there. 
>>
>> Also, if anyone has other strap recommendations or favorite solutions, I 
>> would love to hear your thoughts.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> K.
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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Brake Problem

[Brian Forsee]

You can set your brake up so the normal riding adjustment has the caliper 
barrel adjuster decently 'out' or unscrewed. Open brake QR, screw barrel 
adjuster 'in' to gain some clearance, then remove wheel, repeat for 
re-install. You'll have to try it out and see if it provides enough 
clearance for your particular setup, but I find this less annoying than 
deflating the tire.

Brian F

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 3:19:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The Betty was originally designed as a droptube road bike, there isn't 
> much you can do about the road brakes restricting fat-tire removal but 
> deflate the tire. Heck I have this problem on my droptube custom with 
> v-brakes because I spec'd a narrowish road fork..fat tires like lots of 
> clearance! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:12:27 PM UTC-7 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The brakes on my wife's Betty Foy are driving me nuts.  This is a stock 
>> bike, in fact it was RBWs sales bike and it came with Bosco bars, Techtro 
>> 559 side pull clippers and Shimano levers. There is no QR on the levers and 
>> a minimal one on the calipers This is a very poor combination as I can only 
>> get an inflated 38mm tire  off and on, while the frame can handle a 42mm 
>> tire.  I wonder what GP was thinking when he made this choice.
>>
>> Has anyone found a work around to improve this situation?
>>
>> Michael
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Downtube bosses predicament

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se a 
>>>>> punch 
>>>>> or similar tool (small drift or even a screw driver) and wedge the tip 
>>>>> into 
>>>>> the dimple your drill bit formed (it looks like you may have one right on 
>>>>> the edge of the sheared bolt) Hold the punch with a  firm grasp and begin 
>>>>> tapping it with a small hammer. The punch should be angled as much as 
>>>>> possible to direct the torque counterclockwise. Tap, tap tap - It will 
>>>>> take 
>>>>> at least a few dozen strikes. You may want to mask off the surrounding 
>>>>> down 
>>>>> tube with cardboard and  tape to protect it in case the tip of the punch 
>>>>> slips. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Let us know what works so we can all learn from your adventure. Happy 
>>>>> wrenching!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 5:34:37 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I did something similar with my 2020 Matthews: overtorqued a dry 
>>>>>> screw holding a front lowrider to the fork leg boss, and snapping the 
>>>>>> head 
>>>>>> off, leaving <1/8" of the shaft protruding. It was just barely enough to 
>>>>>> grab securely with needle-nose vise grips and with liberal applications 
>>>>>> of 
>>>>>> spray lubricant, patience, prayer, and 30 minutes of tiny back-and-forth 
>>>>>> rotation I got it out without damage to anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:57 PM Brian Forsee  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have a (very) small rotatory tool/dremel you can cut a slot 
>>>>>>> in there and then use a flat head screw driver to back the bolt out. If 
>>>>>>> its 
>>>>>>> not quite *completely* flush you can try grabbing it with some vice 
>>>>>>> grips too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck! If you cut a little bit of a slot into the boss itself 
>>>>>>> that's probably no big deal, although depending how deep it gets it may 
>>>>>>> necessitate re-tapping the threads in there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 1:43:21 PM UTC-6 ryan.tre...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, I've gotten myself into a bit of a predicament with 
>>>>>>>> one of my downtube bosses; I've sheared off the bolt flush with the 
>>>>>>>> brazed 
>>>>>>>> on boss (see pic below).  Any ideas on how to extract it?  I've tried 
>>>>>>>> using 
>>>>>>>> a drill extractor bit with my drill, but didn't work. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: 3DE5D487-0675-43CD-85A8-74193FE2964C.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Downtube bosses predicament

[Brian Forsee]

Ryan,

If you have a (very) small rotatory tool/dremel you can cut a slot in there 
and then use a flat head screw driver to back the bolt out. If its not 
quite *completely* flush you can try grabbing it with some vice grips too.

Good luck! If you cut a little bit of a slot into the boss itself that's 
probably no big deal, although depending how deep it gets it may 
necessitate re-tapping the threads in there.


Brian

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 1:43:21 PM UTC-6 ryan.tre...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello everyone, I've gotten myself into a bit of a predicament with one of 
> my downtube bosses; I've sheared off the bolt flush with the brazed on boss 
> (see pic below).  Any ideas on how to extract it?  I've tried using a drill 
> extractor bit with my drill, but didn't work. 
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ryan
>
> [image: 3DE5D487-0675-43CD-85A8-74193FE2964C.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Brian Forsee]

Thanks for the info all... I've been wanting to give a poncho a try.

Jason.. on your list of cons how wide is 'wide'? Although I may just skip 
the peoples based on your ownership comment. I appreciate you including 
that information in your review. I suspect lots of Riv customers subscribe 
to the 'vote-with-your' dollar mentality. 

If anyone is holding a Riv/Grundens that would fit a 6'-2" human give me a 
shout :)

Brian in Saint Louis
On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use this 
> past week, in fact!  
>
> Pro's: 
> - Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain 
> - Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
> - Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for me 
> - Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease
>
> Con's: 
> - Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would have 
> been nice for this 
> - Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
> - Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach ... 
> suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
> - I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like 
> effect tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood 
> - Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks, and 
> they've appropriated culture for the purpose of profit.. not really cool. 
>
> Overall I'd recommend it, though - really happy I have it. If it's 100% 
> rainy out I will instead opt for rain pants and a rain shell, not the 
> poncho, for better mobility and less fuss.  Also less dorky I think :)  But 
> for days where you might not need rain protection, but you also might, it's 
> perfect.  
>
> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 08:55:55 UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after being 
>> poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that Rivendell 
>> used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has served me very 
>> well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being crucial. 
>> When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning towards the 
>> waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics and 
>> synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for urban 
>> riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just used my 
>> sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the bag. 
>> Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack 
>> combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a 
>> shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.
>>
>> -Stephen
>>
>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers 
>>> can’t tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… might 
>>> as well mess with ‘em!
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>>
>>> More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.
>>>
>>>
>>>  I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride home 
>>> from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall size for 
>>> more coverage 
>>> https://cleverhood.com/products/rover-rain-cape?variant=40416266715341  
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey all, 
 Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try 
 and be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have 
 decided that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd 
 love to hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full 
 coverage (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are 
 going to be varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on 
 PONCHOS

 Thanks for reading,
 Alex

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[RBW] Re: Free: Susie Frame

[Brian Forsee]

Riv tall bike! Oowe that sounds fun

On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:51:57 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:

> If you still have it, my friend offered to build me a tall bike and I 
> could use it for that.
>
> On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 11:55:27 PM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>
>> Benjamin,
>>
>> Do you still have the Susie frame and fork? 
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Reginald Alexis
>>
>> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 3:20:02 PM UTC-5 benjami...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: image.jpg][image: image.jpg][image: image.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 3:48:41 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Echoing Keith with “bummer”, but I gotta say I can’t see any downsides 
 to fillet brazing here. The steel tore alongside the fillet. The fact that 
 it’s actually torn and not cracked there is as much proof as I’d need to 
 have trust in the bronze union. That said, I’d love to see some closeups 
 as 
 well, if it’s not too heart wrenching to post…
 -Kai

 On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> Gosh, what a bummer.  So sorry that happened, and hope insurance will 
> make you whole.  This does seem to illustrate the down-side to fillet/tig 
> construction and curved tubes.  I imagine that it will be difficult to 
> repair.   Unless it's just too painful, I'd love to see some close-up 
> shots 
> of the fillet joints on the damaged tubes, to see how they faired and to 
> understand their limitations/strengths better.  Trying to make lemonade, 
> I 
> guess. 
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 9:28:42 AM UTC-6 benjami...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This size L Susie frame fell off a rack on the highway. Top and down 
>> tube are obviously broken but rear triangle and head tube seem fine. 
>> Free 
>> if you pay for shipping.
>>
>> [image: BEA2F3C4-2C2F-43FE-A7BB-06741817CE6A.jpeg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hand-Wringing: Kickstand Edition

[Brian Forsee]

There's nothing wrong with not liking a particular part for aesthetic or 
any other reason. Leah if you don't dig the look of the new kickstand, 
ditch it and get what you want. I agree that kickstand is ugly. I think the 
classic greenfield is the best looking kickstand out there. Probably 
because it is the most minimal. I'll echo others statements about the 
double leg pletcher being better for loaded bikes, though. 

I tend to have the opposite problem as Leah. I get the itch to change 
things on a bike just for the sake of changing them and trying something 
new. Handlebars and tires most notably fall into this category for me.

One thing I especially LOVE changing is wear items like brake pads, tires 
(assuming i wear them out vs. just changing them), chains, or any kind of 
bearing. Wearing things out on a bike (as long as it isn't premature) is 
extremely satisfying to me and makes me feel justified in the time and 
money invested in changing the part out.

Brian

On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 9:24:40 AM UTC-6 Jay Lonner wrote:

> [image: e98eff0855c377cdbc7ef4d2dd08ba1c.jpeg]
>
> Click-Stand Home Page 
> click-stand.com 
> 
>
> The Click-Stand has come up before in prior kickstand threads, and in my 
> judgement is both functionally and aesthetically superior to the 
> traditional Greenfield/Pletscher design. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Mar 1, 2023, at 6:40 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> The kickstand on my Clem works. But, I have never liked the look of it 
> (photo below). I bought it from Bike24 in Germany when ordering some dynamo 
> lights as an add on to the order. I can commiserate Leah with not wanting 
> to mess with things that work. Your example of brake pads is a good one. I 
> get my brakes set up just right and they are working well, then I need new 
> pads. In fact, I need new pads now! I do enjoy tinkering with bikes but 
> always think I'll never get it set up as good as it was. Then, I do and the 
> worry was for naught. I plan to keep using the current kickstand because it 
> just works. 
> Doug
>
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 9:26:39 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> You’ll forgive me for this unusual thread, I know you will. You will be 
>> compassionate to your RivSister who is yearning for spring after a Michigan 
>> winter, and if she can’t ride the bikes she will talk about the bikes. 
>>
>> I love my Rivendells. I used to hate changing anything about them - if I 
>> wore something out like brake pads or tires - I would sometimes weep about 
>> it in the parking lot of the bike shop. “It will never be the SAME!” I’d 
>> think. These poor coping skills came after wearing my Betty Foy tires to 
>> threads. The mechanic told me he’d have to get me something else for tires 
>> because he didn’t have that kind. Then he called me and told my I’d 
>> actually need a whole new WHEEL because my rim was cracked. He explained he 
>> would have to build one. After a week in that shop, my Betty was returned 
>> to me. I got a flat on my first ride. I went howling back to the shop - it 
>> was something about rim tape and it was an easy fix. But I had developed a 
>> distrust and a distaste for messing with essentials on my bikes. 
>>
>> I’ve mostly gotten over this. Especially now that I know about upgrades 
>> and how happy they can make you. But some things just shouldn’t need to be 
>> upgraded. Some things are so familiar that when they go missing or get 
>> replaced it’s intolerable.
>>
>> Kickstands.
>>
>> My Greenfield kickstand on the raspberry Platy inexplicably snapped in 
>> the back of my van en route to the Philly Bike Expo. A local shop replaced 
>> that kickstand with the same model (joy and rapture!) but cut it a hair too 
>> short. Was it going to tip over? No. BUT IT WASN’T THE SAME, I wailed in my 
>> head. I didn’t like the new lean it gave the bike. I wanted things the way 
>> they used to be. I decided I would spring for yet another kickstand and 
>> hope it would be right.
>>
>> I took my Platy to my local shop and explained about the kickstand. I 
>> also brought them one of Rivendell’s new shiny rear racks to be fit to my 
>> bike. I may take that bike on a RivSister Tour this summer and needed a 
>> heavy-duty rack (not the saddlebag support I have presently). The mechanic 
>> thought he knew what I wanted and ordered me a new kickstand that he 
>> thought would be EVEN BETTER. He said this in email, so I did not get a 
>> vote. I picked up the bike today. The rear rack was expertly fitted. The 
>> kickstand…I know he meant well, but…
>>
>> But it wasn’t the SAME. 
>>
>> It’s this foreign thing on my bike. Chunky and stout. It’s a Portland 
>> Design Works stand; this one, I think: 
>> https://ridepdw.com/products/power-stance-kickstand
>>
>> I haven’t gotten used to it. It’s been 4 hours. I don’t know if I can 

[RBW] Re: Snow? In California??

[Brian Forsee]

Joe,

Lets get some photos of that shifter setup! Sorry if you've shared it here 
before but its a new one for me.

Brian

On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 2:03:02 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> A fatbike would have been useful! 
>
> On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 8:35:10 AM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:
>
>> If only you had gotten that fatbike!  :)
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 7:46:42 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Yes indeed! So I did what must be done. I rode my Riv. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20230224_164337.jpg][image: 
>>> Screenshot_20230224_164346.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Brian Forsee]

Said mechanic here. There are many better than me but it was my full time 
gig for 7 years so I've adjusted my share of FDs, and i don't think there 
is any adjusting to get this combination of FD/crank/bb to work well. I've 
been out of the game for a few years now so maybe i've just lost my touch!

I like the suggestions of trying a road double. The issue with this one is 
the relatively deep inner cage of the FD would pinch the chain between it 
and the big ring, below the teeth. The high position shown in matts photo 
is the only position i could get it work in at all, and even then you have 
to be incredibly ginger with it. I think a FD with a shallower inner cage 
will work better. If you took the high limit screw out far enough it would 
allow the FD to swing up enough to not pinch the chain, but then it threw 
it over the big ring.

I knew the list members here would have a good suggestion on FD model/style!

-Brian

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:04:16 PM UTC-6 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> Matt,
>
> I just saw this thread.  I had your exact same problem (compact double 
> crankset w/ 46-30 rings + front derailleur).  When shifting from small to 
> big,  it wouldn't or the chain would jump over onto the crankarm.  I was 
> sure I installed the correct front derailleur.  
>
> I examined the FD I installed and saw that it was my IRD *Alpina-d* for 
> triples (wrong one for this use-case).  OLD EYES, I'm guessing.  I dug out 
> my IRD *Sub-C *and, of course, all was right with the world - excellent 
> shifting with the compact crankset.  The IRD Sub-C 
> 
>  
> is just another potential solution for your crankset combo (unfortunately I 
> checked and it seems to be out of stock and is backordered at many 
> retailers).
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 7:27:42 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks all. When the FD was lowered, the chain could not climb up to the 
>> big ring. First thing he did was lower it. I tried it myself, when I first 
>> got the bike. 
>>
>> I just ordered a cx70. If that doesn’t work, I’ll get new VBC or figure 
>> something out.
>>
>> Also figured out the brake levers were long pull. So that explains part 
>> of the braking issue. Brakes are overrated! Ha.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2023, at 9:16 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> The hiccup here is his double is really more of a triple with the middle 
>> ring removed; lifting a chain from 28t to 46 is a big climb. I'm not sure a 
>> double is going to cover this, but I agree lowering the derailer is a good 
>> idea. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:52:25 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> Your FD needs to be lowered a fair bit. At the point of closest 
>>> approach, there should be only about 2mm clearance between the top of the 
>>> chainring teeth and the outside derailleur cage as it passes over the 
>>> teeth. I have doubts about the experience of your "experience" mechanic if 
>>> he positioned the FD where your photo shows it. Making that change will 
>>> mean that the cage won't have to move so far outboard to get the chain onto 
>>> the big ring. And if you're only using two chainrings, fitting an FD 
>>> intended for a double rather than a triple would also improve things. The 
>>> sculpting of the cage on a triple FD is intended for use with chainrings 
>>> where there is a reasonably large jump in the number of teeth between the 
>>> granny and middle chainrings, and a considerably smaller jump between the 
>>> middle and outer chainrings.
>>>
>>> Nick Payne
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[Brian Forsee]

Regarding ease of install on the 1up:

It uses a wedge system so the 'bolt on' and off is extremely easy and 
quick, especially if you don't care to use the lock. But the lock is just a 
through-pin with a cap so that is also very quick and easy. 

As far as handling it goes, I believe it is pretty light weight for what it 
is (i have not compared it to other racks), but big/heavy/bulky is kind of 
the nature of the beast with a platform rack. The two bike isn't too bad 
but certainly if you'll be using it as a 3 or 4 it is cumbersome to move. 
If using the original version (not the equip-d) and plan to use it in 3/4 
bike mode often, the extended lever deal to use the tilt function is 
probably worth the money. I don't find it difficult to reach underneath in 
2-bike mode.

Brian

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:51:35 AM UTC-6 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> I has pulling this together last night and forgot to hit send...
>
> For $50 1 Up also offers a front wheel stop add-on for use with fenders...
> https://www.1up-usa.com/product/wheel-stop/
>
> Maybe the wheel stop and the fender pads lightly secured would be a good 
> solution, but that also adds around $80 per bike on top of the rack cost.
>
> The Swagman looks nice and priced well below a 2-bike 1 Up Heavy Duty, and 
> Jason can vouch for it. I think if I'd known about the Swagman, I might 
> have bought it over the 1 Up only to save some $$$.
>
> A couple of things to consider, the Swagman is rated at 35 lb per bike, 
> and it's limited to 2 bikes. The 1 Up Heavy Duty is off-road rated and can 
> expand to carry up to 4 bikes with a total carry capacity of 200 lb. The 
> rack itself weighs 46 lb it's not light, but manageable. I find the latch 
> system to raise and lower the rack kinda difficult to operate. The more 
> expensive 1Up Equip-D seems much more streamlined and easier to operate. 
> Also expandable to 4 bikes. If money isn't an issue I'd spring for 
> the Equip-D.
>
> It might be worth comparing 1Up to the Saris MHS, which seems more of an 
> apple-to-apple situation in terms of design.
> https://saris.com/products/mhs-3-1-base-2-hitch
>
> The 3-bike Saris MHS package is $1300, there was a YouTube review I 
> watched that stated that the rack with 2 sleds weighs around 100 lb also I 
> can't seem to find any fender add-ons.
>
> I suspect under normal driving conditions the Swagman with 2 heavy Rivs 
> might be fine, however, I'd be a bit more cautious about longer off-road 
> trips. The 1Up is definitely a fast set-it-and-forget-it solution. Loading 
> and unloading a bike takes little to no time. But again, the latch to raise 
> and lower the rack is a bit of a pain in the butt. The Equip-D solves that 
> issue.
>
> Last winter I drove to South Florida from Western MA with my Tanglefoot 
> and my wife's Hogsback strapped to the back of a RAV4 with the Saris Bones 
> rack. The Bones worked fine, but I was in constant fear that at any moment 
> the straps would fail and our bikes would end up under an 18-wheeler. After 
> that, my neighbor who is a single-speed mnt bike racer and competitive 
> bikepacker (recently completed the Vermont Super 8 for the second time) 
> suggested the 1Up, his is over 10 years old without any failures or fixes 
> used in tough conditions.
>
> I'd say the Swagman isn't a big investment for someone to give it a go, 
> the 1Up is way more of an investment. You could probably sell the Swagman 
> on CraigsList fairly easily if it didn't work out.
>
> Hope some of this helps.
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:31:44 AM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Great suggestions all.  Jason, the Swagman is near the limits on weight 
>> for my Betty since it has fenders, dyno, etc.  The other bike will most 
>> likely be a Surly Disc Trucker so both will be towards the 35 lb max weight 
>> limit.
>>
>> Max mentioned a Saris which has a higher weight limit.  Max, do you have 
>> a picture on the rack?  Does it stabilize the frame?  Where?  I see 
>> something in the picture but can't see close up to see where, how it 
>> attaches to the bike in the middle.
>>
>> The 1up price and fender cushions concern me.   I have the SKS plastic 
>> fenders and don't want to break them.
>> Thank you everyone for your suggestions.
>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:14:16 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I have one of these Swagman racks that have fender-friendly trays and 
>>> then a hook that clamps down on the top tube - and works totally fine with 
>>> step-thru frames as the hook can all the way down to the bottom if it needs 
>>> to.  We use it with my partner's fendered dutch bikes and any of my bikes 
>>> (except the 20" wheels and smaller) 
>>> https://www.swagman.ca/collections/hitch-mount-racks/products/xtc2-hitch-mount
>>>
>>> On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 11:09:24 UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>>>
 Hey! That’s cool, thanks Scott. Time to make some fender cushions.

 On Feb 20, 2023, at 10:56, greenteadrinkers  
 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[Brian Forsee]

Also adding my vote/appreciation for the 1up. It is the best rack I have 
used, although 90% of time I use it I am carrying multiple mountain bikes 
so the fender is not an issue. The fact it contains 0 plastic was a big 
selling point for me. 

What I've done w/ fendered bikes is:

1. Push front wheel arm against the tire
2. Lightly push rear wheel arm against the rear fender
3. Put a strap around the rear rim and rack tray at the 6o'clock position. 
This is similar to how the thule T2 rack and some others operate. The front 
arm keeps the bike from falling over laterally or moving forward, and the 
strap keeps the rear wheel from bouncing up or the bike from moving 
backwards.

Another approach i've mocked up but not actually tried is moving the 
horizontal 'pin' in the rear wheel arm down so that it contacts the tire 
below the rear fender. This would provide secure resistance against forward 
and back motion, but would still require the extra strap to keep the rear 
wheel from bouncing up.

I had an older thule T2 for awhile. It did work well w/ fendered bikes but 
overall it was not as user friendly or well-built as the 1up imo.

-Brian

On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:43:05 PM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> You don’t have to go that hard. I just get super paranoid. I know the bike 
> can’t go anywhere but you never know…. 
>
> I personally think the Thule rack is easier to use but the 1Up is much 
> lighter. It installs in about a minute. 
>
> That 1Up fender attachment looks interesting. My mountain bike just got 
> fendered but I haven’t mounted it in the rack yet. I don’t know that I 
> would trust not being able to crush that tire (paranoia). 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 21, 2023, at 10:33 PM, DamonLee  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> I thought the same thing Leah, it looks soft but not grippy therefore 
> requiring downwards force to hold it. The swagman looks good as it doesn't 
> rely on clamping the tops of the wheels in any capacity.
> The deformation on the tires in jacobs photo makes me think I'd never want 
> to put that kind of pressure on a fender.
>
> Damon
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 6:51:28 AM UTC+11 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I am following this thread with interest. I have the Saris Freedom 4 bike 
>> rack, but that company seems to be lessening their quality and maybe even 
>> phasing out this rack. They have a new modular system they seem to want you 
>> to buy, and it isn’t going to play nice with mixtes with fenders. 
>>
>> Now, I have heard so much good about the 1Up rack, but honestly HOW is 
>> that fender cushion gonna work? Won’t it just mash my metal fenders? Push 
>> them out of shape? Mess up the alignment? Maybe someone with a fendered 
>> mixte wouldn’t mind posting it on their 1Up rack? 
>> Leah
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 8:44:49 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Toshi,
>>>
>>> Occasionally, you can find the Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a 
>>> claw on Craigslist:
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/bop/d/bellevue-yakima-lockjaw-upright-roof/7587045203.html
>>>
>>> I have the Yakima Raptor roof rack with two trays. I recently modified 
>>> two trays into one for my 80" Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike. One day, I will not 
>>> be able to lift my bike over my head onto the tray. For now, it works. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:15:11 AM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 Hi Jacob—it looks like the rear wheel bar on the 1up would crunch on my 
 full coverage rear fender. What do you think?

 I use a Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a claw for my wife’s 
 Betty, but those racks don’t seem to be sold anymore.

 Another alternative is a trunk rack with a top tube adapter for step 
 throughs/mixtes.

 I bought a bar but have never needed to use it yet. Has anyone had any 
 luck with those?

 Toshi in Oakland 

 On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jacob Byard  wrote:

> I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. 
> My 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with 
> an 
> xl Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. 
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> -Jacob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> If I had to do it all over, I’d definitely go with a 1up rack. My Küat 
> NV2.0 is great, and I’m fine with how it works with fenders and racks… 
> but 
> I feel like a 1up would be more secure in those cases. Also, my Medium 
> Gus 
> at 50” wheelbase is the absolute maximum length the Küat will handle.
>
> On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:05 AM, JAS  wrote:
>
> The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but 
> well made and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all 
> 

[RBW] Re: Hillborne vs. Romulus?

[Brian Forsee]

Dave, if you are alright with 650b wheels the canti-brake Crust Lightning 
bolt may fit your description. I believe 650x48 unfendered is about max but 
check their site to be sure.

Brian

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:25:11 AM UTC-6 Dave C wrote:

> I was in a rush yesterday evening when I wrote my last post; here is a bit 
> more information that might be useful. I have a Romulus, a Hilsen, a Soma 
> Double Cross, and I used to have an Atlantis that I owned for ten years 
> (1st ten Toyo). They are all great bikes, but I think that one's weight, 
> their load, and the terrain and tires make a big difference in how the bike 
> feels and the perceptions of stiffness. My Atlantis was an excellent bike, 
> and I sold it due to size (I wanted to run larger tires on it and it was 
> too large once I put bigger tires on it). For lightly loaded riding, I 
> prefer the Romulus and Soma, which feel very pleasant with vigorous efforts 
> on hills, an important quality to me. I believe off road and/or with 
> greater loads, the bikes may feel differently, but I am still testing out 
> the Hilsen further. I do have the Hilsen for sale, because I need a bike 
> more like the Romulus but with tire clearances similar to the old Atlantis. 
> That is a hard niche to fill, because it seems most bikes that clear a 
> 45-50 tend to be built up more stiffly relative to the Romulus. I really 
> believe that our personal attributes are just as important as the bike's 
> construction; people often state "this bike is flexy/stiff" but I think 
> it's probably more accurate to say "for my weight and riding choices, this 
> bike is flexy/stiff". Dave in Carlsbad
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:31:55 PM UTC-8 Dave C wrote:
>
>> Dan, I have been meaning to write a post about some long term riding 
>> comparisons I have been making between a Toyo Homer and a Toyo Romulus. I 
>> have more to say, but I will keep it simple for the moment - yes, there is 
>> a difference. I have a 59 cm Romulus that rides differently, more flexy in 
>> a good sense, than the 61 cm Homer.  I will add more later, but I believe 
>> the Romulus is at my weight -175 pounds - a better ride for light loads and 
>> fast rides, and the the Homer is a little more stiff, perhaps an advantage 
>> with greater weight loads. I would wager the Sam will be more like the 
>> Homer than the Romulus. If you have a 59 cm Romulus, I will buy it from 
>> you. I have. side pull Romulus and would like a canti one as well.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:36:44 AM UTC-8 Dan Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>> Wondering what people who have experience with both the early Hillbornes 
>>> with cantis and the Romulus think about the two in terms of overall 
>>> impression -- is one "speedier" than the other, or is one stiffer, etc, 
>>> those kinds of things.  I get that the Hillborne is a tad longer wheelbase 
>>> and more tire clearance, but just wondering if one or the other is 
>>> noticeably stiffer than the other?
>>>
>>> Thanks, I have gotten the itch to change things up in my fleet (of two, 
>>> really not a fleet at all) and since test rides are out of the question 
>>> looking to the group for advice/opinion.
>>>
>>> thanks, Dan in the deep freeze of winter in Mount Horeb, WI
>>>
>>> ps. I have a canti-Rom, looking at a first-gen green Sam
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Single-Bolt Stem Spreading Options

[Brian Forsee]

In typical fashion for me, my bars arrived and I had not yet made a move on 
purchasing a stem-spreading device. Eager to install them, I dug around my 
tool bins. Drawing inspiration from Bill's recommendation of the park disc 
tool, I used a short and wide wood chisel with a rag over it to spread the 
stem. It worked quite well! I don't think I did any damage to the chisel, 
however this approach is probably not ideal if you are exceptionally 
particular about the edges on your chisels. Cheers!

Brian

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:45:12 PM UTC-6 Brian Forsee wrote:

> Thanks to all for the ideas! The snap ring pliers and the disc brake tool 
> both seem like great options and I am far from adverse to buying new tools.
>
> Brian
> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 5:52:38 PM UTC-6 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002INOFSA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
>>
>> Powerbuilt Internal Snap Ring Pliers
>>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:25:51 AM UTC-8 MTR wrote:
>>
>>> Throw some masking tape over a flat head or whatever you use to spread 
>>> the stem to prevent scratches. I didn’t find the towel rack bars tight to 
>>> get on a nitto dirt drop stem, but your experience may vary. 
>>>
>>> Best, 
>>> Morgan 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 5:27:37 PM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got some towel rack drop bars on the way to me that will be going 
>>>> on my newly acquired AHH. I was planning on picking up one of the tools 
>>>> nitto makes specifically for spreading single-bolt stems but Crust was out 
>>>> of stock. I've installed plenty of bars using the ole flat head method, 
>>>> which always works, but i usually end up with a scratch or two. Anybody 
>>>> got 
>>>> any good alternative methods I'm not thinking of?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> -Brian
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Single-Bolt Stem Spreading Options

[Brian Forsee]

Thanks to all for the ideas! The snap ring pliers and the disc brake tool 
both seem like great options and I am far from adverse to buying new tools.

Brian
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 5:52:38 PM UTC-6 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002INOFSA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
>
> Powerbuilt Internal Snap Ring Pliers
>
> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:25:51 AM UTC-8 MTR wrote:
>
>> Throw some masking tape over a flat head or whatever you use to spread 
>> the stem to prevent scratches. I didn’t find the towel rack bars tight to 
>> get on a nitto dirt drop stem, but your experience may vary. 
>>
>> Best, 
>> Morgan 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 5:27:37 PM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got some towel rack drop bars on the way to me that will be going 
>>> on my newly acquired AHH. I was planning on picking up one of the tools 
>>> nitto makes specifically for spreading single-bolt stems but Crust was out 
>>> of stock. I've installed plenty of bars using the ole flat head method, 
>>> which always works, but i usually end up with a scratch or two. Anybody got 
>>> any good alternative methods I'm not thinking of?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Single-Bolt Stem Spreading Options

[Brian Forsee]

I've got some towel rack drop bars on the way to me that will be going on 
my newly acquired AHH. I was planning on picking up one of the tools nitto 
makes specifically for spreading single-bolt stems but Crust was out of 
stock. I've installed plenty of bars using the ole flat head method, which 
always works, but i usually end up with a scratch or two. Anybody got any 
good alternative methods I'm not thinking of?

Thanks!
-Brian

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Brian Forsee]

I checked these out today and picked up the blue Homer. My first riv! I've 
got some stuff to change on it but i am super excited.

The grey 'homer' is indeed a 650b canti bike. Prob a saluki as Bill 
suggested. Paint was really nice.

The Ram also had 650b wheels with long reach brakes at the bottom of the 
slots. Also had nice, presumably custom, paint.

The Curt was a beautiful bike. Had 700x38 tires with fenders. Looked like 
it would clear a little bigger with fenders. Maybe a 42 or 45 without.

The Riv custom had 26" wheels. Tires that were on it were 35 or 38. Again 
could probably fit a 42 or 45 but not much more.

All the bikes are in the 60cm range with top tubes between 57-59. The 
seller, Steve, was super nice and I'm sure would be happy to provide 
whatever info someone may be looking for if you give him a ring. He didn't 
seem keen on shipping the bikes because of how big of a pain it is (i feel 
him on that), but I bet he'd be open to delivering to a local shop to 
arrange shipping.

-Brian

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen eyes 
> here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer accurate 
> information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to Saint 
> Louis??) 
> Tom
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:
>
>> Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually tried 
>> to get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the business. He 
>> refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about never building 
>> again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to own.
>> Frank 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
>>> Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. 
>>> They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's builds 
>>> are second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and they 
>>> have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike that 
>>> would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become popular. 
>>> I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a 
>>> Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be able 
>>> to find someone to take it off your hands. 
>>>
>>> As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by 
>>> Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If 
>>> the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might as 
>>> well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. 
>>>
>>> The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the 
>>> re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and 
>>> re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs are 
>>> the giveaway)
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>>> Thanks, everyone.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Brian Forsee]

I rode fixed when I first got into cycling. Now 75% or so of my bikes are 
single speeds and I have no fixed gears. The main thing I like about SS vs 
fixed is being able to have my feet/cranks in the ideal position whenever I 
want. Also yeah, coasting rules.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:30:55 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:

> Hi John,
> You're missing out on coasting! I tried fixed-gear once and can't imagine 
> why it became a popular way to ride around 2010. Especially if your single 
> speed is geared low for climbing, it is a relief to be able to relax on the 
> descent.
> -Wes
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:11:03 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Hello Ryan,
>>
>> I'm very inspired my Will's Roadini build as well. I haven't done much SS 
>> riding, I'm more of a fixed or multi-gear rider. How do people feel about 
>> SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not riding SS some of the time?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:57:35 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>>>
>>> And Will's post : 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045_eid=0074b52ae1
>>>  
>>> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
>>> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
>>> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Brian Forsee]

Bill - I guess the first question was rhetorical and the second sincere. My 
main point was I have doubts about the long term 
serviceability/replaceability of this derailleur. I agree with your point 
about most derailleurs not being completely rebuildable, but at least they 
all mount the same so they are *relatively* easily replaceable when/if they 
fail. Definitely agree with your point about preemptively buying 
replacement parts.

I guess this kinda falls in with a lot of newfangled mtb tech for me. Cool 
but not completely necessary. I should disclaim that I do enjoy mtbing and 
do it on a bike with disc brakes and a fork that goes squish squish.

I wonder how many of these they made in the first run? 50? 100? 20?

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 1:47:04 PM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:

> $200 derailleurs for the people!
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022, Berkeleyan  wrote:
>
>> To borrow a trite phrase, The Nivex shows that RH Cycles have jumped the 
>> shark. The cost is well beyond any common rider's reach, requires 
>> retrofitment brazing, paint, and only works with a custom shifter that 
>> mounts to a downtube. Kudos to Grant and RBW for sticking it out to bring a 
>> new RD in under $200 that mounts to standard dropouts.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:57:26 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even 
>>> at $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
>>> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
>>> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
>>> Nivex Rear 
>>> 
>>> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>>>
>>> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
>>> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
>>> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Brian Forsee]

This thing looks cool but as a whole i think it's exceptionally silly. It 
may be better protected than a standard der but its still prone to being 
broken or bent. Then what? Will RH be making this thing 10 or 15 years down 
the line? Same goes for the shifter. I expect some people with a huge 
investment in this thing and their frame will find themselves SOL in the 
future. I also think derailleurs work plenty well and don't need that much 
improving. If you want the 'experience' RH is referring to, just friction 
shift.

The best thing about this is it makes the Riv derailleur project look very 
reasonable all of a sudden.

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 11:29:49 AM UTC-6 Berkeleyan wrote:

> To borrow a trite phrase, The Nivex shows that RH Cycles have jumped the 
> shark. The cost is well beyond any common rider's reach, requires 
> retrofitment brazing, paint, and only works with a custom shifter that 
> mounts to a downtube. Kudos to Grant and RBW for sticking it out to bring a 
> new RD in under $200 that mounts to standard dropouts.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:57:26 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
>> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
>> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
>> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
>> Nivex Rear 
>> 
>> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>>
>> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
>> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
>> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Roaduno Dropouts

[Brian Forsee]

I'll be bummed if the roaduno ends up with a der hanger and/or cable 
routing for a derailleur. I like my single speeds nice and clean. If they 
DO put options for a geared setup on there I hope they at least go to a 
135mm spacing.



On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:17:54 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> Doh.  You're right - i forgot about that possibility.  I'm so obsessed 
> with IGHs, i completely overlooked front-shifting possibilities.
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:02:59 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It's an outlier as far as what most people are looking for in a frame 
>> like this, but a member here many years ago put an old rear derailer 
>> (Shimano 200GS I think) with a bolt on hanger on a Quickbeam so he could 
>> use a wide-range double crank with fd derailer to give it a big top gear 
>> plus hill climber granny (it was in a Rivendell Reader). 
>>
>> I'm guessing after all the 2-speed experiments Grant and Will have done 
>> with chain tensioners they figured it couldn't hurt to have the option on 
>> RoadUNO. 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 1:33:14 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Makes sense, but it's still curious to me that they only used the Frank 
>>> Jones Sr. dropout on that one model.  (Or, maybe a Rosco model, too?).  Im 
>>> kind of suspecting that, with 3D design printing capabilities, it might be 
>>> just as easy to come up with a new part if and when it is needed.
>>>
>>> I'm curious to see if this means there'll be some extra cable routing 
>>> options on the Roaduno, or if that'll be left to clamp-on devices or zip 
>>> ties, for someone who wished to use a derailleur.   Part of the beauty of a 
>>> single-speed is the cleanness of not having unused stops.   On the other 
>>> hand, I'm brazing on some extra housing stops to my Quickbeam - but for a 
>>> Sturmey Archer 3-speed, not a derailleur.
>>>
>>> The "chain tensioner" feature doesn't make sense to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 6:38:07 AM UTC-7 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>
 I'm also v interested in RoadUno as "my last Riv"... 

 Spec'ing a hanger on these trackends means that Riv can use it for 
 other frames-- maybe they'll make a 135-spaced frame using these? Or 
 someone will request a custom? 

 That said, these are prototypes, so who knows what will show up in the 
 final form. 

 Looking forward to it!

 Anyone ride the prototypes RoadUno frames at RivHQ? How does it compare 
 to the Quickbeam? or present offerings? 

 shoji
 arlington ma


 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 5:05:56 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> The print does say for a chain tensioner or derailleur. That's quite 
> straight forward to me. Sun XCD does make a 120mm cassette hub. Customize 
> your own cog set and there 'ya go. 
>
> So why call it a Road-UNO ?  Because it can be a seamless single 
> speed and just because it can be used as such doesn't mean it 
> can't/shouldn't have a hanger for a tensioner or derailleur. It adds to 
> the 
> versatility of the frame, very good idea ! Don't let the 
> words/definitions/descriptions yank you're chain, so to speak. 
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 10:58:19 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>
>> Just dropping a little bomb here to see where the comments lead, for 
>> S**ts and giggles, mostly.
>>
>> The latest blagh shows the 3D printed track dropouts for the new 
>> Roaduno. It has a derailleur hanger. For a 120-spaced single speed. 
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> (And to tag onto another posting ("choose two Rivendells") I own 
>> several bikes but only one Riv (last release of the Sam Hillborne.) I 
>> plan 
>> to do everything in my power to snag a purple Roaduno, regardless of 
>> dropout style. And at this point in my life that's the last new bike I 
>> plan 
>> to buy*
>>
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> * But who am I fooling?
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO Paul Thumbie adapter for Silver shifters

[Brian Forsee]

O. Interesting. I was unaware of this. I recently ordered a Paul 
shimano thumb mount assuming I could put a silver on it only to find out i 
cannot. If Carlos finds their fill and someone's got another I would be 
interested.

Brian

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 1:22:43 PM UTC-6 C Lin wrote:

> Apparently Paul made these for a while to mount silvers on thumbies for 
> shimano bar cons.
>
> -Carlos in San Diego 
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

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That wolf tooth tool looks pretty slick, but i'm not sure i'd ever carry 
one on a tour. When in a pinch, I've had good luck putting an allen wrench 
in the derailleur mounting bolt (still attached to hanger) and using that 
as a way to pry the hanger back into shape. You can usually get it good 
enough. Certainly good enough for friction shifting. How good this works 
does depend on how deep the tooling is on your derailleur mounting bolt.

Brian

On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 11:36:54 AM UTC-5 Tom M wrote:

> Thanks, Garth. These are great videos, and the Wolf Tooth tool looks 
> amazing.
> Tom Milani
> Alexandria, VA, USA
>
> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 4:03:49 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> For RD hanger alignment, I looked at all that was available for high to 
>> low. I grew up using the Campy beam style one so I was used to that method 
>> using the rear rim to measure off of, and that's the most common. Still, 
>> they're rather large and they rely on not only your rear wheel being true, 
>> but the all the tolerances of the tool being tight, without play. I bought 
>> the Wolf Tooth Pack Hanger Alignment tool instead as it uses the rear axle 
>> as the reference point rather than the rim, so it's very compact and even 
>> portable for those with bikes with aluminum hangers that go out of 
>> alignment easily. Only the quick release kit is needed for bikes like ours. 
>> It's very compact and easy to use. Here's a video with JIm Langley on how 
>> to use it.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmLuO56e4Y=1
>>
>>
>> https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/products/pack-hanger-alignment-tool?variant=14719026790435
>>
>>
>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0230/9291/products/WT_Hanger_Alignment_Tool_QR_Kit_02_800x.jpg
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] I want to see your Legolases

[Brian Forsee]

All of these bikes are gorgeous. How is the clearance with the 42's?  The 
legolas is a dream bike for me but have always been curious how wide you 
can go if you push it a little.

Brian

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:24:43 AM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:

> oh i'm silly. that was a typo! 
>
> keeping the RH cranks but changing to Athena 11s shifters and mechs. 
>
> and tires, yes. initially i had Steilacoom/Barlow Pass (700x38mm), then 
> when i made this my dedicated dirt ride, put on the UD Rosè (700x42mm) and 
> they roll surprisingly well. i also like the cornering control in dirt 
> better than Steilacooms AND they corner well on the road too!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2022, at 8:02 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> First of all, that bike is gorgeous. Athena cranks are swell but the RH 
> on there is perfect! But, talk about your tires. Rose’?
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 31, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Nikko in Oakland  wrote:
>
> Hey y'all, 
>
> I recently had to let go of one bike, and the Legolas survived the cut. 
> Now, I'm revamping my legolas to be more road-oriented while still dirt 
> capable. RIght now, I have 10speed Bar End shifters, RH 46/30t cranks, and 
> an 11-36t cassette. It's plenty roadie enough, but I am getting a set of 
> Athena 11 speed cranks to lean a little bit more into roadie-ness, and 
> throwing on an 11-34t cassette to still stay dirt capable. 
>
> But I am here because I need build inspiration. Can y'all share pics of 
> your legolas in it's *fastest *state? me first, ya?
>
> I rotated the bars downward a little bit since this photo, but you get the 
> idea. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Clemuno Jr

[Brian Forsee]

I like the sound of that from a ride quality/tubing perspective, but not 
from a tire clearance perspective. I really was looking forward to a SS 
commuter that could take 700x55's or 45-50's w/ a fender. Also don't love 
the switch to caliper brakes, although the reintroduction of the Paul's 
make that not as big of an issue for me.

Brian

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:17:44 AM UTC-5 jake...@gmail.com wrote:

> I stopped by Riv and talked to Will last week. He said they're redesigning 
> the Roaduno to be more of a Homer single speed (HomerUno doesn't sound 
> quite right...) with caliper brakes rather than the "ClemUno" design they 
> shared that had v-brakes. He said he liked the redesigned model slightly 
> more. I tried to hide my disappointment for the ClemUno that wasn't. 
>
> Jake
>
> On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:39:01 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I'm already budgeting for this bike. I too wonder which crankset they 
>> will offer on a complete build but I'm sure it will be good.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:34:33 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> *Joe grabs his lovely singlespeed* 
>>>
>>> "Joe, where are you going?" 
>>> .
>>> OUT FOR A WALK
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 5:52:57 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Joe, all single speeds really have three speeds. Seated, standing and 
 walking.
 haha
 Doug

 On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 8:36:02 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Maybe I should consider that...I have a 93 X0-1 38. 38 X 52 
> chainrings...just need the DOS freewheel...I'm quite familiar with WI 
> freewheels. I have a single 20(I think) on my Peugeot...other thing on 
> the 
> X0-1 right now that I DON'T love are the 26 X 1.5 Compass-branded McClure 
> Pass tires which attract glass, small stones, etc. like a magnet. I've 
> never had worse luck with tires 
>
> BTW...I live in Winnipeg which is flat (but is windy)
>
> On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:24:51 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Meh, don't beat yourself up.  It's neat from a historical standpoint 
>> but, without the correct fork, that value is sorta lost.  A Quickbeam, 
>> SimpleOne, Frank Jones or this new one all seem nicer.  As do some from 
>> Crust, Surly and others.
>>
>> FYI, if someone really likes the idea of a singlespeed, 26"-wheeled 
>> XO-1, the magic two-speed gear ratio (for not needing is a tensioner) is 
>> 38&35T chainrings with a 19&16T dos uno freewheel.  I had my daughter's 
>> set 
>> up that way for a while.
>>
>> On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 4:14:51 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah I messed up selling that one. I live in some hills now but at 
>>> that time I was at the top of a VERY steep one, the bike was literally 
>>> unrideable for me. Live and learn! 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 3:12:15 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Be still my beating heart❤

 On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 4:49:55 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ryan, it looked (and was sized like) a 52cm XO-1 with horizontal 
> dropouts glommed on, I suspect it used that fork. 
>
> On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:33:58 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah I remember that now...wonder what the original fork 
>> looked like? Maybe a Tom Ritchey bi-plane one?
>>
>> Anyway , I'm sure the new RoadUno will be a fun bike...probably 
>> not fair to judge it basis the prototype version. We do know it'll 
>> have a 
>> generous wheelbase and tons of clearance for big tires.  Thanks for 
>> digging 
>> that up, Joe.
>>
>> On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:28:59 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's that UNO though it's no help with the headbadge, it 
>>> didn't have one. This is one I really should have kept, I found it 
>>> as a 
>>> (very scratched) frame only and added the generic black unicrown 
>>> fork. 
>>> Really nice build I put a lot of work into, including what 
>>> apparently is 
>>> now a rare fillet-weld Bullmoose. I sold it to the Brandon 
>>> mentioned in the 
>>> article, then he had it at on Craigslist for ages. Cool bike! 
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/bridgestone-uno
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 8:55:19 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 The headbadge reminds me a little of the one on the singlespeed 
 Bridgestone USA proposed before that particular ship sank in 1994; 
 it was 
 in one of the Bob Gazettes IIRC. Tried googling this (not very 
 hard)  and I 
 didn't find it. I know someone on this list besides Addison 
 Willhite 

[RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[Brian Forsee]

I disagree with those that think its sad Riv is no longer doing this prep. 
Is it slightly less convenient if you are buying frame only? Sure. By 
previously providing this service I really think Riv was going above and 
beyond. Unpacking a frame, completing these items, and re-packing for 
shipping is time consuming. Straightening the hanger and possibly cleaning 
up some paint in some threads are items that will need to be completed on 
any painted steel frame with an integral hanger. Most competent bike shops 
will be able to complete these tasks for a reasonable fee, regardless of 
whether or not they swoon over your new frame the same way you do. Rivs and 
Riv style bike stuff is a niche market in the grand scheme of things. 

Brian F

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 9:21:58 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> James,
> No change of heart here just checking to see if recent buyers of the Rosco 
> have had a change of heart. I did not jump on the sale immediately and poof 
> they were gone.
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 8:33:21 AM UTC-4 James wrote:
>
>> What led to the change of heart Doug?  I have been considering a Rosco 
>> Platty for a while (would ride a 60cm tho)
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 9:02:05 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> There are lots of folks on this list who I'm sure could prep a frameset 
>>> but I wouldn't buy one unprepped. Speaking of changes of heart, I'm on the 
>>> lookout for a 55 Rosco Platy owner with buyer's regret. It happens.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 8:15:31 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 When I picked up my Roadini they'd already installed a seatpost binder 
 bolt and aligned the frame. But I picked it up in person to avoid them 
 having to rebox it.

 On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 3:23:50 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Extremely sad if you can’t trust your LBS with such an easy job. Might 
> be worth just getting the tools and doing it yourself. Or look for the 
> LBS 
> that looks so rundown nobody would think to go, they usually have the 
> skill 
> to do anything on a steel frame. 
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 2:24:33 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
>> I also think it is sad that they are not doing this prep. I would 
>> have no confidence in my LBS doing that well, which would make me second 
>> guess whether to get another Riv.  I'm hoping that some amount of 
>> pleading 
>> will get them to reconsider this, if I am ever interested in buying 
>> another 
>> new Riv. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 1:59:39 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *The missing binder bolt signals to me that this frame needs threads 
>>> chased and the derailleur hanger checked/straightened, I kinda wish Riv 
>>> wasn't selling them to folks this way but I guess it speeds up the 
>>> process 
>>> of getting frames sold and shipped. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Doldrums

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Commuting and erranding also makes up the majority of my cycling here in 
Saint Louis, MO (where the hot and sticky levels are properly high). I have 
3 or 4 bikes I'll do my 4 mile one way commute on. I find changing up bikes 
every few weeks (as weather allows... fender season is fender season) keeps 
things fresh and fun. Same could be said for a handlebar change or some 
other component change. One of said commuter bikes is fairly new and is an 
Omnium cargo bike. Expanding the amount of errands I can accomplish via 
bicycle has been enormously fun. I encourage anyone who thinks they could 
make use of a cargo bike to pull the trigger.

Brian F

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wrote:

> Nice.
>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2022, 4:14 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> Near Dublin, OH, a suburb of Columbus. According to wandrer.earth, Dublin 
>> has just over 400 miles of bike paths and accessible roads (it doesn't 
>> count interstates, etc). It took me from November through July to hit my 
>> target for riding these roads (blue is ridden, red is unridden):
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> It's a fun app. I found I was riding longer distances to get out to new 
>> roads, so I ended up in better than usual shape for mid summer.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 4:56 PM Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>
>>> Where in Ohio?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 2:44 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
 Come ride in the Midwest or South, and then you’ll appreciate your “hot 
 and sticky” Bellingham summers :)

 I like to have made up goals for my riding. For a while, it was reading 
 and returning books to my local system of little free libraries. This 
 year, 
 I used wanderer.earth to target riding all of my local town roads and 
 paths. That was a good experience. 


 Eric
 Now in Ohio, formerly of Seattle

 On Tuesday, September 6, 2022, Jay Lonner  wrote:

> Over the years my cycling has increasingly tended toward 
> commuting/utility. Bike-centered vacations/tours remain on the menu, and 
> are still very enjoyable to me, but the day-in, day-out feels like a 
> chore. 
> Part of this is seasonal — I have an easier time dealing with cool, wet 
> conditions than hot, sticky weather. So maybe this problem will solve 
> itself with the autumn rains imminent. But I’m wondering whether others 
> ever get a case of cycling burnout, and maybe have some tips to work 
> through it.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
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Re: [RBW] Anyone run 700x50 tires on a Sam Hillborne?

[Brian Forsee]

If your 47c setup has a ton of room the 50c setup should fit. Disclaimer: I 
do not own a Sam. 

Give it a shot. Tires are not terribly expensive and unlike Garth, I 
believe tires make a huge contribution to how a bike feels and handles. The 
combination of varying width, tread pattern, and tire construction can 
change the feel of a bike immensely imo.

-Brian 
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:28:34 PM UTC-5 Jimmy Warren wrote:

>
> Hi Brenton,
>
> Big Ben 50s are the absolute limit of what fits on my 62 cm Hillborne. 
> Bike rides great with them!
>
> You might be able to go to the Riv site and see the actual width of those 
> tires as read on calipers. I’ll bet it’s something under 50 mm.
>
> - Jimmy
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Brenton Eastman  wrote:
>
> I am running 700x47 teravails on velocity dyad hoops with a ton of room. 
> I've seen people running the 700x48 Rene Herse knobbies on my same frame. 
> Mine is a 57 and the brakes have more clearance than the frame. So I'm 
> tempted by the Soma Cazadero and or Gravelking SK in a 50. Anyone flown 
> this close to the sun?!? 
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Re: [RBW] Which Dyno Hub?

[Brian Forsee]

Eric,

Do you have any thoughts/comparisons on the SON vs SP for low speeds? I'm 
looking to get a dynamo set up for single track bikepacking applications. I 
believe the general consensus is the SON is best at low speeds.

Thanks in advance!

-Brian in STL, MO

On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Jason:
>
> You’ll hear many opinions—good luck sifting through the advice you will 
> get!
>
> I have both SON and Shutter Precision hubs and have not had any issues 
> with either. My SONs have ranged from the old-style type with flanges 
> pressed onto a center piece to the modern (and very pretty) type. I have 
> several variations of the SP hubs on various bikes.
>
> If money is no object, definitely go with SON, if only because they’re so 
> darn pretty. SP will perform just as well—I have not experienced the 
> “roughness” that one other respondent reported.
>
> Based on what I’ve read about SON and their weather sealing, the biggest 
> advantage that I know of is that they are pressure compensated; SP hubs are 
> not. That means that if you go from a warm, dry environment directly into a 
> cold and dry one, the SON hubs won’t draw in moisture as the air inside the 
> hub cools. SP hubs might, but for this to be a problem, you would have to 
> roll right out into a cold downpour. That’s an edge case for me and 
> something that has never been a problem.
>
> Finally … Have you considered the Velogical dynamo? I have one on an Alex 
> Singer, and it’s great. Pros: Cheaper than a dyno hub and wheel, very low 
> draw, ZERO drag in the “off” position, great German engineering, works with 
> any wheel. Cons: Sits outside on the frame, where it might be subject to 
> damage (not a problem for me in several years of use), makes a quiet 
> whirring noise when running, requires a small clamp to attach to the frame.
>
> --Eric Norris
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> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Jul 25, 2022, at 11:59 PM, Jason Glenn  wrote:
>
> Hi, all,
>
> I've never had a bike with a dyno hub but rode one a few months back -- 
> thanks, Max! -- and have decided to build up a wheel -- my first wheel 
> build, too -- with one for an Atlantis.  I know the Son 28 is the go to, 
> and I could be convinced to use one, but I'm working on a limited budget 
> and am wondering what people think about the alternatives out there.  My 
> main use for the Atlantis, at least at the moment, will be commuting, 
> running erands, etc., but I'm trying to bike as my principle form of 
> transportation (in Los Angeles) and will be riding in the evenings and 
> early mornings with some regularity.  Down the road, I would like to do 
> some touring on it.
>
> Anyway, I'm interested in any and all suggestions/perspectives.  
>
> Thanks, in advance,
> jason
>
> P.s. While I'm at it, happy to hear about favorite rims and spokes for the 
> build...
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[RBW] Re: Does anybody out there have Paul Minimoto FRONT brakes on their Atlantis?

[Brian Forsee]

Sorry to get off topic but Bill your Legolas is DREAMY. Hopefully one of 
these days I'll be able to track one down for myself.

Brian
STL, MO

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:36:09 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Not an Atlantis, but here is a photo of my Rivendell Legolas front 
> Minimoto brake, wrapped around a 700x38 knobby:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/39647876520/in/album-72157665762529407/
>
> Some Atlantis' have 622mm wheels.  Some Atlantis' have 584mm wheels.  Some 
> Atlantis' have 559mm wheels.  Generally, I think the majority of Atlantis 
> owners running smaller wheels run fatter tires than the Minimoto can 
> clear.  I think the general consensus is 43mm or narrower.  Less if you are 
> running fenders also.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 9:24:17 AM UTC-7 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Looking for pics of other Atlantis owners' Minimoto set-ups.  I currently 
>> have Neo-Retros , but they are getting in the way of my panniers when 
>> mounted to my Pass and Stow rack.   Considering the Minimotos and the Paul 
>> Touring setup.  
>> Thanks all!
>> Alex
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Brian Forsee]

I feel like a lot of recent riv designs not only would require a short stem 
but also downsizing a frame size for a proper drop bar set up. Not good or 
bad in my mind, just inherent in the long top tube designs they have been 
favoring lately. I will likely end up buying a ROADUNO, and had hoped to 
put drops on it but based off of what we know so far I'm not sure I'll be 
able to without dropping down a size. I don't want to do so from an 
aesthetic perspective, so risers or swept back bars it'll be!

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:47:18 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> A Rosco Platy for Skye!!
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 1:44 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Well that was fun. I like my version of the Rosco Platy Presale thread 
>> better so I'm back over here to say I hope everybody grabs the frame they 
>> want and shows them built up later so we can look at them. Have a nice day! 
>> ‍♂️ 
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:51:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and sent a 
>>> pic of the green one with this text: 
>>> "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august
>>>
>>> Joe and Skye Bernard 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[Brian Forsee]

'The factory can make more' is a huge assumption that is likely not true in 
the current manufacturing/supply chain climate.

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:23:25 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The detail that we all SHOULD be pissed about is that they have made a 
> R05C0 8U883 frame set with NO LIFT-A-TUBE!!!  It's gotta have a 
> lift-a-tube!  That's an unforgiveable oversight.  
>
> I'm kidding about being pissed
> I'm not kidding that I loved the lift-a-tube on my two previous R05C0 
> 8U883 frames.  If they had asked me I would have told them to include the 
> lift-a-tube.
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
>> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
>> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I was 
>> on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until this 
>> morning, and the bike is sold out. 
>> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
>> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No 
>> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
>> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for 
>> money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve 
>> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
>> visit many times. 
>> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Silver2 shifter apparently shift 12 speeds fine, even with SRAM rd

[Brian Forsee]

I'm using what I believe is a silver 1 shifter (is at least from 2014) with 
a sram road derailleur and a 1x11 drivetrain. Works like butter.

On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Forgot to mention that, as with mechanical disc brakes that many people 
> complain about, there really is no problem, at least in my not 
> inconsequential experience, shifting 9+ speeds in friction using just about 
> any shifter and rd combination. The Barcons, the 7401 rd, and an 11-sp 
> chain shift 10 close-ratio cogs very, very well, better than any friction 
> 8-speed setup I've used. Interesting; back almost 20 years ago, I had the 
> same experience shifting close ratio Am Classic 10 sp cogs with Simplex 
> retrofriction dt shifters pulling the same rd or its 7400 or 7402 sibling; 
> not just acceptable, but wonderfully. Hell, friction shifting 10 cogs is 
> smoother than any 7-speed Shimano indexed system I used.
>
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 6:10 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/07/08/index-this/#more-11189
>>
>> I'm only up to 10, and that with an 8-sp-era road rd and Barcons, but 
>> this is heartening news. 
>>
>> I'm tempted to try my Barcons with a 12-sp road cassette, tho' I'd have 
>> to swap out the DA 7401 rd for an 8-sp XT rd, I guess to handle a 
>> big-enough granny cog to make it all worthwhile. Actually, I should proceed 
>> gently, and simply go to 11 first.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: If Riv built a cargo bike

[Brian Forsee]

I think your chainstays are about 18" too short still 

On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 3:48:52 PM UTC-5 J Imler wrote:

> Putting it out into the universe.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-07-08 at 1.37.31 PM.png]
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[RBW] Re: dynamo rebuild or new wheel

[Brian Forsee]

I'd say another thing to consider is condition of the braking surface (i'm 
assuming this is a non-disc application). If the existing rim has plenty of 
life left, I see nothing wrong with re-using it. Personally if the brake 
track on the existing rim had less than 50%-60% of its life left I would go 
ahead and use a new rim while it is convenient. 

Brian

On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 8:59:45 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rebuilding the wheel is definitely what I would do, but there is a 
> caveat.  Since the OP said they are not doing the work, then the decision 
> will be influenced by the wheelbuilder.  There are plenty of wheelbuilders 
> who will not use a used rim.  Many wheelbuilders want to be able to 
> guarantee/warranty results, and feel that a used rim hinders their ability 
> to control the results, and just won't do it on policy.  Also, when you pay 
> for a wheel build, you are paying for the builders time and skill.  Taking 
> apart an existing front wheel takes more time, so you should expect to pay 
> more.  If you take apart the wheel yourself, then the wheelbuilder can't as 
> easily assess that the used rim is good, and can't assess the relative 
> quality of the previous build.  If you were having a wheel builder do a 
> rim-swap on a wheel they originally built, then that simplifies it 
> somewhat.  
>
> All of the above complications go away when you are your own wheel 
> builder.  I make all those judgements myself, and at the end of the day I'm 
> both the supplier and the customer.  I charge myself low rates, and provide 
> myself great service :)  I don't always provide the fastest turnaround time 
> to myself, but I cut myself a little slack.  :)  
>
> Discuss it with your builder.  This is all front wheels which are 
> significantly lower risk.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 6:37:33 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>
>> Thanks all, very helpful.
>>
>> I'm glad to hear other folks think it makes sense to rebuild the wheel, 
>> it seems simplest.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Adam
>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 7:03:17 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I swap rims and hubs and spokes all the time. I don't re-use spoke 
>>> nipples, though. But I never mismatch front and rear rims (black 
>>> Cliffhangers of 20" and 27.5" on my cargo bike), just goes against my 
>>> grain. I say lace the dyno hub into the existing rim. Keep the hub and 
>>> spokes, so they can be swapped back in if you want to move the dyno hub in 
>>> the future. 
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 6:53:48 PM UTC-4 Adam wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I'm about to work out my first dynamo setup. I have hub and lights, but 
 have a rim/wheel question.

 The bike that's getting dynamoed currently has a set of A23s in decent 
 shape. I'm no wheelbuilder myself, so I'm trying to decide between having 
 the shop use the rim from my current wheel and rebuild with the dynamo hub 
 I have, or just buying a new rim and having an entirely new wheel built.

 A new rim -- A23 (silver polished) -- will be around $150. I have no 
 use, or space, for a 2nd wheel. Yet it seems kind of silly to dismantle a 
 working wheel to rebuild.

 Any advice on this??

 Maybe a secondary question - if I go the new rim route, any thoughts on 
 whether to go with another A23 vs a quill (or something else?) - The rear 
 is a polished silver A23.

 Thanks for your thoughts,

 Adam

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Brian Forsee]

I've lusted after a Hunq that size for some time now, but unfortunately the 
timing for my pocketbook is extremely poor. Medical bills + cargo bike 
build. I also think the price is a tad high, or at least I did until I saw 
what the smaller frameset just sold for. The build is nice but it's not 
like it's dripping with high end MUSA bits. It sure is pretty tho...  like, 
I want to ask it to dinner pretty.
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:39:04 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Me-thinks one partner in this equation was a little more interested in the 
> project than the other 樂
>
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:32:33 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The 51cm Appaloosa in Boston is a pretty nice, specific, deluxe build for 
>> someone to purchase, never ride and then sell...
>>
>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 2:30:12 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Is anyone going to buy this hot 62cm Hunq? 
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:26:12 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Joe Appaloosa 
 51cm 
 4400 
 Boston, MA 

 https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bik/d/stoneham-brand-new-51cm-rivendell-joe/7468419060.html
>>>
>>>

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