Re: [RBW] DIY build or order complete?

[Robert Calton]

My husband-and-wife run LIBS is building my one and only bike (a Homer) 
from parts and charging me $100 for it, the price they charge for a full 
tune-up. They also charge $60/hour for a la carte services, as you point 
out. I am happy to recommend them to anyone in the Boston metro. They 
tastefully rehab older steel frames with new[er] parts and sell them for 
$200-$400; they only sell steel frame bikes and operate out of a used car 
lot's garage. Their inventory is like 3 new Surlys and maybe an All-State 
or two. The rest are rehabs and they are absolute professionals about 
everything they do. Mine isn't the first Riv they've built from parts 
either. Perhaps the bike shops around you are a bit less affordable or have 
to charge more to account for higher overhead, etc.  

I'm not saying that Riv is *gouging*, I'm stating facts that there are more 
affordable places to buy the exact same parts and more affordable shops to 
build a bike. That is no way a slight on Riv, it's  just facts. That said, 
I'm glad they promote and make a great margin on those good-cheap parts and 
builds because I'm grateful for what that has allowed them to do for 
bicycling as a whole. I appreciate their bikes and ethos, or else I 
wouldn't be on this forum. 
On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 5:44:26 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "Your LIBS can likely assemble for ~$100 or less rather than Riv's $300 
> charge"
>
> I'm going to call BS on this.  I sincerely doubt that there is a bike shop 
> on earth, with a mechanic experienced-enough that I'd want them building my 
> bike, who would quote under $100 for a frame-up bike assembly, when I've 
> bought none of the parts from them and didn't buy the frame from them. 
>  It's a 3-4 hour job.  Any mechanic worth their salt is billing $1 a minute 
> for the shop to keep the lights on.  
>
> There are bargains to be had out there, to be sure.  If you luck-out and 
> find wheels on sale, good job.  If you know how to find used parts for 
> cheap, terrific.  The existence of cheap used parts does not make Rivendell 
> a price gouger, though.  It's especially ungenerous to imply that, 
> particularly when Rivendell is unique in their praise and promotion of 
> good-cheap parts (like the Acera rear mech).  That's my opinion.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 11:26:21 AM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> I'd order the parts and then have your local independent bike shop 
>> assemble it, because ordering everything yourself is going to save you a 
>> considerable amount of money if you want the *exact* same parts build 
>> that Riv would put on. If you decide you want to spend the same amount of 
>> money as a Riv build package, you'll get *much* better parts. Your LIBS 
>> can likely assemble for ~$100 or less rather than Riv's $300 charge. Check 
>> out the builds on Blue Lug and have fun shopping. 
>>
>> I don't want to diss Riv's part pricing, but you can find better prices 
>> elsewhere even for the same components. For example, Riv is selling the WI 
>> MI5/Atlas wheelset for over $1000 
>> <https://www.rivbike.com/products/wheelset-white-industries-mi5-hubs-bto?variant=41760074498159>,
>>  
>> then tack on a shipping fee and tax. I bought the *exact same wheelset* 
>> (with 
>> DT Swiss double-butted spokes) for $750 hand-built by ProWheelBuilder (they 
>> had a 15% off WI sell last month). No tax in my state, no build fee, free 
>> shipping. For Riv's cost for an Acera rear mech, you can get a gently used 
>> Deore XT. And so on. 
>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 1:42:20 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick and others surely remember this one…unless rewritten mostly way 
>>> out date now. But that’s about where/when we started.
>>>
>>> It’s a long road full of triumphs and disasters. Add ‘em, more triumphs 
>>> for sure. That’s how/why we’re still here 浪
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 8:32 AM Michael  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all, 
>>>> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
>>>> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a 
>>>> bike 
>>>> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
>>>> inclined. 
>>>>
>>>> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
>>>> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
>>>> wiser to just order it complete? 
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
>

Re: [RBW] DIY build or order complete?

[Robert Calton]

I'd order the parts and then have your local independent bike shop assemble 
it, because ordering everything yourself is going to save you a 
considerable amount of money if you want the *exact* same parts build that 
Riv would put on. If you decide you want to spend the same amount of money 
as a Riv build package, you'll get *much* better parts. Your LIBS can 
likely assemble for ~$100 or less rather than Riv's $300 charge. Check out 
the builds on Blue Lug and have fun shopping. 

I don't want to diss Riv's part pricing, but you can find better prices 
elsewhere even for the same components. For example, Riv is selling the WI 
MI5/Atlas wheelset for over $1000 
,
 
then tack on a shipping fee and tax. I bought the *exact same wheelset* (with 
DT Swiss double-butted spokes) for $750 hand-built by ProWheelBuilder (they 
had a 15% off WI sell last month). No tax in my state, no build fee, free 
shipping. For Riv's cost for an Acera rear mech, you can get a gently used 
Deore XT. And so on. 
On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 1:42:20 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

> Patrick and others surely remember this one…unless rewritten mostly way 
> out date now. But that’s about where/when we started.
>
> It’s a long road full of triumphs and disasters. Add ‘em, more triumphs 
> for sure. That’s how/why we’re still here 浪
>
> Jock
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 8:32 AM Michael  wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
>> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike 
>> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
>> inclined. 
>>
>> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
>> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
>> wiser to just order it complete? 
>>
>> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
>> stupid!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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[RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[Robert Calton]

To add an amusing, cynical thought: can you imagine Shifting-as-a-Service? 
New fully integrated wireless 5G groupsets charge you $10/month for 1,000 
shifts and then you're stuck with a fixie. Or pony up $40/month for 
unlimited shifts and get your shifting analytics pushed to the latest Shimano 
E-Tube app <https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/e-tube/project.html>. 

On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 12:31:29 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> My sense is that the complexity of bikes has risen proportionally with the 
> extent to which* riders have agreed to make bicycling complex*. Decades 
> ago, we as riders didn't much care about quantifying the power put to the 
> pedals, then in the late 80s, powermeters became a thing. Then as our 
> society became more and more technologically insatiable, electronic 
> groupsets blew up in the early 2000's...then folks decided *wireless* 
> groupsets had to be a thing (first released only 4 years after the first 
> iPad). Our wireless, digital, always-connected world had to permeate all 
> aspects of our life -- at least *all* companies did a good job marketing 
> that to us. 
>
> The video makes a good callout with the "Tesla-fication" of cars. Not just 
> EVs, but now we see full ICE cars with giant touchscreens that nestle basic 
> climate controls and radio features behind menus. Cars have over-the-air 
> updates like our smartphones. We continue to pay monthly subscriptions to 
> use features on the cars we own that the manufacturers say should be 
> as-a-service. We're starting to see this with bikes, but on the other side 
> we're also seeing a proliferation of small independent bike shops who rehab 
> older frames with quality new parts and sell those bikes instead of the 
> latest big-box arguments of how bikes should be. The good news is that the 
> pendulum is starting to swing the other way. 
>
> Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 
> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 6:51:13 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmuO4fV1qq8=3348s
>> I thought this was an interesting discussion, certainly for us Rivendell 
>> owners. I know Russ can be polarizing, but I like his approach to cycling 
>> and appreciate his thoughts.
>> Randy in WI
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[Robert Calton]

My sense is that the complexity of bikes has risen proportionally with the 
extent to which* riders have agreed to make bicycling complex*. Decades 
ago, we as riders didn't much care about quantifying the power put to the 
pedals, then in the late 80s, powermeters became a thing. Then as our 
society became more and more technologically insatiable, electronic 
groupsets blew up in the early 2000's...then folks decided *wireless* 
groupsets had to be a thing (first released only 4 years after the first 
iPad). Our wireless, digital, always-connected world had to permeate all 
aspects of our life -- at least *all* companies did a good job marketing 
that to us. 

The video makes a good callout with the "Tesla-fication" of cars. Not just 
EVs, but now we see full ICE cars with giant touchscreens that nestle basic 
climate controls and radio features behind menus. Cars have over-the-air 
updates like our smartphones. We continue to pay monthly subscriptions to 
use features on the cars we own that the manufacturers say should be 
as-a-service. We're starting to see this with bikes, but on the other side 
we're also seeing a proliferation of small independent bike shops who rehab 
older frames with quality new parts and sell those bikes instead of the 
latest big-box arguments of how bikes should be. The good news is that the 
pendulum is starting to swing the other way. 

Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 
On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 6:51:13 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmuO4fV1qq8=3348s
> I thought this was an interesting discussion, certainly for us Rivendell 
> owners. I know Russ can be polarizing, but I like his approach to cycling 
> and appreciate his thoughts.
> Randy in WI
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Robert Calton]

Good question, chef. I did consider other options, including a 42T 1x setup 
like I had on my previous bicycle. When I looked at Rivendell's build 
options and other writings, they suggested the 38/24 for all-around riding 
on a variety of surfaces and if you didn't have a preference, go with that. 
My riding generally involves city pavement, slow roll group rides, rail 
trails, and only light groomed wooded trails all at party pace. I generally 
didn't pedal much downhill anyway on the last bike I had, so I figured this 
would be a good starting point. 

Good thing is, these Silver cranksets hold their value well and if I feel 
like I need something a little bigger, I can always switch down the road at 
a minimal cost :) 
On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 2:47:55 PM UTC-4 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Robert,  just wondering if you have considered a 42/28, or other 
> options for the front?
> I have been running a Silver 38/24 with a chainguard on my All-Rounder for 
> the past year or so, and I'm planning on converting to a triple, swapping 
> out the guard for a third, 46T ring. I found the smaller design of the 
> crank to be frustrating ...even on level ground, I'll be pushing the limit. 
> Downhills are only for coasting. That said, the smallest ring of the 
> freewheel has 13T.
> When I built my Homer, I went with a VO 46/30 compact double. So far, so 
> good!
>
> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 4:52:00 AM UTC-7 Dan wrote:
>
>> To add another data point:
>>
>> I've been using the Shimano Sora FD on my Appaloosa.
>> It shifts a 42-24 front mated to a 12-36 rear flawlessly. In friction, of 
>> course.
>> Really, the shifting is amazing coming from the indexed FD on my other 
>> bike.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_1702 2.jpeg]
>>
>> On Sunday 12 May 2024 at 04:05:30 UTC+9:30 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Good afternoon group! :) Hoping to tap into the collective wisdom here 
>>> to pick a front derailleur for my Homer build, it's the last piece! 
>>>
>>> I'll be using the Silver 38/24 crankset, 11-36 cassette with the Shimano 
>>> Deore XT M761 rear derailleur. I saw that the matching XT front says it's 
>>> for a triple chainring, so I need to find something that's for a double. 
>>>
>>> What would folks recommend? 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Robert Calton]

That is extremely generous of you, Patrick, wow! I will then order this 
derailleur <https://www.ebay.com/itm/256209530268?var=556202231378> with 
delight (it's a little nicer condition than the other one). I plan to have 
my local, independent bike shop assemble the bike when all the parts arrive 
-- just waiting on this then and the wheels. They've got the right ethos 
for this community (they only sell steel, normal folk's bikes and mostly 
older "rescue" bikes they recondition), so I trust that they are experts on 
installation. I'll keep in touch after the build, hopefully with a 
successful report and some glamor shots :) 

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:54:47 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Robert: If you will be using a 9 speed cassette, I'll go out on a limb and 
> predict that the first-gen DA will work fine. I'll go so far as to offer: 
> If after trying it and getting expert advice if it * does not* work, and 
> as long as the FD is in the same condition as when you bought it, I'll buy 
> the 1st gen DA from you for your full purchase price minus your shipping 
> expense from the seller. (I'll pay *your* shipping cost *to me,* of 
> course.)
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:45 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the wealth of information Patrick :) I am excited to learn 
>> more about bicycles in general and thrilled to build this Homer over the 
>> next month. I will be running a 9-speed cassette, so I don't think that 
>> I'll be trying to find a super narrow FD cage. I'll look into the DA 7402 
>> and similar derailleurs. I like the all-silver look. 
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:40:32 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Forgot to address one of your questions: * Does me running 11-36 
>>> cassette have anything to do with the front derailleur choice?*
>>>
>>> It might, since with such a small outer cog the chain will be closer to 
>>> the chainstay and bottom of the FD cage than with a bigger outer like a 13 
>>> or 14. Whether this makes a difference in your case, I cannot say for sure, 
>>> but again I'd *guess* that, since you will be using the 11 only with 
>>> the 38, this won't matter.
>>>
>>> There's also the matter of a wider cassette and chain rub on the 
>>> derailleur cage. Is your cassette 11 speed or more? If so, I can't speak to 
>>> that, but the wider the change in chain angle and the narrower the FD cage 
>>> (as, for a 1st-gen DA road FD for 5 o 6 speed freewheels) the more chance 
>>> of chain rub on the extreme outside and inside cogs unless you trim the FD. 
>>> For me, I use my DA 7402 (I am pretty sure) FD with a 10 sp cassette and 
>>> when I set the FD "in the middle" of its range there is no chain rub either 
>>> in small or big cogs, and I think there's still futher leeway for chain 
>>> angle without rubbing.
>>>
>>> Also affecting chain angle is chainstay length, but as this the RBW list 
>>> and not rec.bicycles.tech or Cat.6.fredlist, I'd guess that will not be a 
>>> problem for you.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've not used a first-gen DA FD, but I have used a 7400 and a 740n -- 
>>>> either 01 or 02; I think it's the latter. Again, it shifts very well over 
>>>> a 
>>>> 44/28 and also did so ove a 38/24.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I may simply be less demanding about FD performance; and I don't 
>>>> shift the front a great deal (my setups since the 2X9 on the Fargo are 1X 
>>>> + 
>>>> granny) but when I do shift the front, I don't have any more problems than 
>>>> I had with more typical road doubles or old-time mtb tripls.
>>>>
>>>> I do have a chain catcher mounted to the chainstay just aft of the bb 
>>>> to prevent chain suck, but I first installed that on the Fargo with the 
>>>> 46/36/24 triple when I was having chainsuck problems; I've not had that 
>>>> problem with the 2Xs.
>>>>
>>>> To sum up and answer your question directly re the 1st-gen DA FD: I 
>>>> guess it will work fine. But if you ask me in court, I'll deny everything.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck! And keep us informed.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 1:16 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Patrick! I saw a really nice bottom pull DA front mech used on 
>>>>> eBay, first gen 
>>>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/156203422002?itmmeta=01HXMGZA1GWNBSX67S31YDQ76P=item245e731132:g:n34AAOSw~59licD5=

Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Robert Calton]

Thanks for the wealth of information Patrick :) I am excited to learn more 
about bicycles in general and thrilled to build this Homer over the next 
month. I will be running a 9-speed cassette, so I don't think that I'll be 
trying to find a super narrow FD cage. I'll look into the DA 7402 and 
similar derailleurs. I like the all-silver look. 

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:40:32 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Forgot to address one of your questions: * Does me running 11-36 cassette 
> have anything to do with the front derailleur choice?*
>
> It might, since with such a small outer cog the chain will be closer to 
> the chainstay and bottom of the FD cage than with a bigger outer like a 13 
> or 14. Whether this makes a difference in your case, I cannot say for sure, 
> but again I'd *guess* that, since you will be using the 11 only with the 
> 38, this won't matter.
>
> There's also the matter of a wider cassette and chain rub on the 
> derailleur cage. Is your cassette 11 speed or more? If so, I can't speak to 
> that, but the wider the change in chain angle and the narrower the FD cage 
> (as, for a 1st-gen DA road FD for 5 o 6 speed freewheels) the more chance 
> of chain rub on the extreme outside and inside cogs unless you trim the FD. 
> For me, I use my DA 7402 (I am pretty sure) FD with a 10 sp cassette and 
> when I set the FD "in the middle" of its range there is no chain rub either 
> in small or big cogs, and I think there's still futher leeway for chain 
> angle without rubbing.
>
> Also affecting chain angle is chainstay length, but as this the RBW list 
> and not rec.bicycles.tech or Cat.6.fredlist, I'd guess that will not be a 
> problem for you.
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I've not used a first-gen DA FD, but I have used a 7400 and a 740n -- 
>> either 01 or 02; I think it's the latter. Again, it shifts very well over a 
>> 44/28 and also did so ove a 38/24.
>>
>> Now, I may simply be less demanding about FD performance; and I don't 
>> shift the front a great deal (my setups since the 2X9 on the Fargo are 1X + 
>> granny) but when I do shift the front, I don't have any more problems than 
>> I had with more typical road doubles or old-time mtb tripls.
>>
>> I do have a chain catcher mounted to the chainstay just aft of the bb to 
>> prevent chain suck, but I first installed that on the Fargo with the 
>> 46/36/24 triple when I was having chainsuck problems; I've not had that 
>> problem with the 2Xs.
>>
>> To sum up and answer your question directly re the 1st-gen DA FD: I guess 
>> it will work fine. But if you ask me in court, I'll deny everything.
>>
>> Good luck! And keep us informed.
>>
>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 1:16 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Patrick! I saw a really nice bottom pull DA front mech used on 
>>> eBay, first gen 
>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/156203422002?itmmeta=01HXMGZA1GWNBSX67S31YDQ76P=item245e731132:g:n34AAOSw~59licD5=enc%3AAQAJAAABEF1YcKCwhxvKTsO9pDaGLqEXCL0Zi0kr4wWrhnmkXjTQ2DnCoH2NdAhg7jvIOaNU%2BDO%2B1iOqOy1Mo%2FY0SQofRIqFYHaL9YHrRUAiJDD1GC0OvjtIe0ZVNzEUywGtzFUS5AN19PPQQM0iCrSseVeaxlRJ%2BH1NkJkLh4eT6Pe858pxyG92ZQmkqvsPbPmunr9Erlc40hS3bat4nMl1FFYG5Su3gSBAbk5YwwJj3681dYYD%2FKfndZlcixKY7m6bPtuHcIS9s3dVFNUnFrFam0E%2FFKWNxIDN%2F8Z31DgEyMDXRPQjXvJijx5FBXP4EtaA2hMWmnfebdUiI3Wy6whpTfUGDpFDixjJxbrYTgDIxWgNs%2F8D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-qg_ZDtYw>,
>>>  
>>> and it says it has a 16T capacity. Since I'm at 14T differential on my 
>>> front chainrings (38-24),  would this work? Does me running 11-36 cassette 
>>> have anything to do with the front derailleur choice? 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 2:54:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Robert: About 10 years ago I swapped out a 3X7 drivetrain on my 2010 
>>>> Fargo for a 2X9. The 3X7 consisted of 46/36/24 rings pulling (iirc) a 
>>>> 15-24 
>>>> 7sp cassette, and I swapped that out for a 38/24 X something-like 13-26 9 
>>>> speed (29 1/2" Schwalbe Big Apples, then ditto Big Ones).
>>>>
>>>> The derailleurs were both LX of the period. When I converted the 
>>>> chainrings I simply swapped the 46 outer for a (BBG) bashguard, swapped 
>>>> the 
>>>> 36 for a 38, and adjusted the FD throw limit screw. I did *not* change 
>>>> the position of the FD on the seat tube. After all, the FD shifted the 
>>>> 36/24 properly in that position, and it's not surprising that it shifted 
>>>> the 38/24 properly in the same position.
>>>>
>>>> Later I swapped the LX FD for an ancient Dura Ace FD w

Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Robert Calton]

Thanks Patrick! I saw a really nice bottom pull DA front mech used on eBay, 
first 
gen 
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/156203422002?itmmeta=01HXMGZA1GWNBSX67S31YDQ76P=item245e731132:g:n34AAOSw~59licD5=enc%3AAQAJAAABEF1YcKCwhxvKTsO9pDaGLqEXCL0Zi0kr4wWrhnmkXjTQ2DnCoH2NdAhg7jvIOaNU%2BDO%2B1iOqOy1Mo%2FY0SQofRIqFYHaL9YHrRUAiJDD1GC0OvjtIe0ZVNzEUywGtzFUS5AN19PPQQM0iCrSseVeaxlRJ%2BH1NkJkLh4eT6Pe858pxyG92ZQmkqvsPbPmunr9Erlc40hS3bat4nMl1FFYG5Su3gSBAbk5YwwJj3681dYYD%2FKfndZlcixKY7m6bPtuHcIS9s3dVFNUnFrFam0E%2FFKWNxIDN%2F8Z31DgEyMDXRPQjXvJijx5FBXP4EtaA2hMWmnfebdUiI3Wy6whpTfUGDpFDixjJxbrYTgDIxWgNs%2F8D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-qg_ZDtYw>,
 
and it says it has a 16T capacity. Since I'm at 14T differential on my 
front chainrings (38-24),  would this work? Does me running 11-36 cassette 
have anything to do with the front derailleur choice? 

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 2:54:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Robert: About 10 years ago I swapped out a 3X7 drivetrain on my 2010 Fargo 
> for a 2X9. The 3X7 consisted of 46/36/24 rings pulling (iirc) a 15-24 7sp 
> cassette, and I swapped that out for a 38/24 X something-like 13-26 9 speed 
> (29 1/2" Schwalbe Big Apples, then ditto Big Ones).
>
> The derailleurs were both LX of the period. When I converted the 
> chainrings I simply swapped the 46 outer for a (BBG) bashguard, swapped the 
> 36 for a 38, and adjusted the FD throw limit screw. I did *not* change 
> the position of the FD on the seat tube. After all, the FD shifted the 
> 36/24 properly in that position, and it's not surprising that it shifted 
> the 38/24 properly in the same position.
>
> Later I swapped the LX FD for an ancient Dura Ace FD which I did mount a 
> bit lower, but for the bottom of the cage to clear the chainstay as well as 
> for the lower edge of the cage to clear the (IIRC, 48 t-size) bash guard, 
> the FD had to be placed much where it would have been placed for a 
> 46/36/24. The DA FD worked just as well as the LX. Again, 38/24 X 15-24 (or 
> close) drivetrain.
>
> Nowadays, I have a 44/28 wide-range "subcompact" setup and the same DA FD 
> positioned high enough above the 44 to clear the 48-t-equivalent bashguard; 
> here too front shifts are just fine.
>
> FWIW.
>
> Matthews "road bike for dirt" with 42/28 (before I installed the 44) and 
> Dura Ace 740-something FD. There must be close to an inch of gap between 
> the bottom of the outer FD cage plate and the top of the teeth of the 42 t 
> ring:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 12:35 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon group! :) Hoping to tap into the collective wisdom here to 
>> pick a front derailleur for my Homer build, it's the last piece! 
>>
>> I'll be using the Silver 38/24 crankset, 11-36 cassette with the Shimano 
>> Deore XT M761 rear derailleur. I saw that the matching XT front says it's 
>> for a triple chainring, so I need to find something that's for a double. 
>>
>> What would folks recommend?  
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[RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Robert Calton]

Good afternoon group! :) Hoping to tap into the collective wisdom here to 
pick a front derailleur for my Homer build, it's the last piece! 

I'll be using the Silver 38/24 crankset, 11-36 cassette with the Shimano 
Deore XT M761 rear derailleur. I saw that the matching XT front says it's 
for a triple chainring, so I need to find something that's for a double. 

What would folks recommend? 

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[RBW] Re: Susie green color discrepancy

[Robert Calton]

The periwinkle Sams look a little different on build than the initial color 
sample we saw in the weekly email too. That said, I love the darker green 
on the Susie, but that orange is spicy. 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:31:58 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> Saw Blue Lug's most recent Instagram story with what looks like some 
> pictures of the new Susies in both colors. The green looks substantially 
> different than the image on Riv's website. Makes me wish I'd ordered an 
> orange...
>
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[RBW] Re: 007 Rescued!

[Robert Calton]

Lovely frame and a great job by them for sure!

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:52:36 PM UTC-4 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> I bought this Saluki, serial #007, used in 03 or 4.  It soon became my go 
> to ride, but after another twenty years on dirt roads the frame showed a 
> lot of wear and tear.  I hated sacrificing the beautiful yellow decals but 
> am thrilled by what a good color match and quality job RaceMetalSmith of 
> White River Jct. VT did.  Next up, rebuild and a sweet ride.
> [image: IMG_2615.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[Robert Calton]

If you want cork grips that support bar end shifters, I can't recommend 
highly enough Meisha's cork grips. You see them on a lot of Rivs but 
nowhere stateside stocks them, including Riv (who I believe used to stock 
them). 

You can now get them from Blue Lug 
here: 
https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-miesha-s-portuguese-tree-cork-grips-sifter.html.
 
Use some twine with them. They feel great and look even better. 
On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:

> I love cheapo cork grips on albatross bars. The kind of grip with cork 
> grains glued together into a cushy mass. For example: 
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/242114-cardiff-grips-gryfed-cork-6386
>
> I think Ergon cork grips would work great too, I've just never used them.
> -Wes
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:37:14 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I also 
>> installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for grips 
>> but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used padding 
>> or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've also 
>> considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. Any 
>> examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
>> Doug
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brand new Deore derailleurs in box, front and rear

[Robert Calton]

SOLD! Thanks all! Happy trails :)

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 1:38:18 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> Listed on eBay/Facebook now. 
>
> Dropping the price for this group only to *$70 shipped* *for both.*
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:06:05 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Another image
>> [image: Screenshot 2024-05-05 at 4.54.25 PM.png]
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:04:20 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>
>>> Decided to go a different route for this Homer build, so these new parts 
>>> are catch and release. Hoping to keep them in the community before I eBay 
>>> them :) 
>>>
>>> M591 SGS Rear: $50
>>> M510 Front: $30
>>> *Both: $75 shipped. [image: Screenshot 2024-05-05 at 4.54.09 PM.png]*
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brand new Deore derailleurs in box, front and rear

[Robert Calton]

Listed on eBay/Facebook now. 

Dropping the price for this group only to *$70 shipped* *for both.*

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:06:05 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> Another image
> [image: Screenshot 2024-05-05 at 4.54.25 PM.png]
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:04:20 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Decided to go a different route for this Homer build, so these new parts 
>> are catch and release. Hoping to keep them in the community before I eBay 
>> them :) 
>>
>> M591 SGS Rear: $50
>> M510 Front: $30
>> *Both: $75 shipped. [image: Screenshot 2024-05-05 at 4.54.09 PM.png]*
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Scam alert? I'm so confused. Blue Homer in LA? ND?

[Robert Calton]

To add, *Blue Lug is super legit*, I've placed two orders with them this 
month and both were super smooth. Great prices, great parts availability 
that I couldn't find anywhere else, and fast shipping.

>From what I gather, they're truly pillars of the Riv (and Riv-like bike) 
community. Watch some of their videos, they're true bike people through and 
through. You can order with confidence from them. 

On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 10:28:39 AM UTC-4 Brenton Eastman wrote:

> All good points. I didn’t really think twice about “Jeff” private 
> messaging me. I’ve always assumed best intent here with the RBW bunch. BUT 
> that email address has never posted or contributed here. Red flag #1. The 
> super confusing text messages were full of red flags and I’m walking away. 
>
> I mostly wanted to post here as a warning to others that are interested 
> and searching for AHHs. *Within 20 minutes of me starting this thread, 
> the text messager got word, and began to harass me.* So, someone involved 
> is watching the forum pretty closely. I’m annoyed that I wasted a few hours 
> over a couple days unraveling the fact that it was indeed too good to be 
> true. The search for my wife’s future Homer continues!! 
>
> I’d +1 Eric’s comment that Blug Lug is 1000% legit and ever order I’ve 
> placed with them is pleasant and exceeds my expectations. 
>
> [image: image0.png]
> [image: image1.png]
> [image: image2.png]
>
> Finding some comedic relief here. Be careful folks!!
>
> On May 3, 2024, at 6:20 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Kim: I don't see how the administrator of this forum has any bearing on 
> someone's Facebook post. The scam is potentially occurring via Facebook, 
> not our forum. You reposted the FB listing here with a link. 
>
>
> Regarding the Blue Lug purchase, how on earth were you "scammed" by Blue 
> Lug? They are one of the best bike shops in the universe and I'm sure they 
> would correct any mistake or problem with your purchase. I dislike like the 
> implication that Blue Lug would scam anyone. 
>
> Regarding scams and buying/selling: If anything about the listing or your 
> interactions with a seller makes you uncomfortable or sets off *any* 
> alarms just drop the exchange and walk away. It's easy! If it's too good to 
> be true, it probably is. Although sometimes you have to know when to snag a 
> deal like when someone posts a Nitto S83 seatpost for $30. Sellers should 
> be happy and eager to share photos or details about frames or bikes for 
> sale. 
>
> Here on the forum it's easy to check someone's history simply by searching 
> their email address and reviewing their past posts to see if they 
> participate in discussions, buy and sell goods and you can get a sense of 
> how long they've been part of the community. All common sense stuff. 
>
> Also — Don't end up handing $50,000 in cash to a stranger on the street! 
> https://www.thecut.com/article/amazon-scam-call-ftc-arrest-warrants.html
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 8:00:50 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I concur. I sent this scammer Leah's way unknowingly. Stay away from this 
>> person. In this case his "cousin" just bought a Homer and so was selling 
>> his Roadini. He must troll this group for want to buy posts and pounces.  
>> Karma is a concept of action, work, or deed, and its effect or 
>> consequences. Here's hoping that a little karma is heading his way.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 7:55:23 AM UTC-4 Andrew Joseph wrote:
>>
>>> Bad experience with Jeff and the “seller,” he directed me to with a 
>>> Homer as well!
>>>
>>> I posted that I want to buy a Mustard frameset.  
>>> Jeff directed me to his friend, and it went very badly from there. 
>>>  Fortunately, I sent no payment.
>>>
>>> I also reported this to Admin.  
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 3, 2024, at 5:29 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> That Jeff McCathern guy tried to sell me a Roadini. He’s a scammer. I 
>>> wasn’t brave enough to say so publicly, but I will now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 6:25:52 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 Kim, the link takes us directly to a blue lug page. How did you get 
 scammed?  

 BTW, I’ve gotten scammed too — with eBay. I will never not buy directly 
 from the seller. 

 On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 12:29:57 AM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:

> @Brenton-
> I am sorry to hear and see you go through this ordeal. I wish it was 
> not so.
>
> The administrator for this RBWOB group is Jim - cyclo...@gmail.com
> Your message may take a day or two for him to respond. I hope he can 
> help you.
>
> My regards,
> Kim Hetzel.
> I got scammed too last year over these - 
> https://global.bluelug.com/catalog/product/view/id/27109/s/rew10-works-hex-brass-valve-cap/category/1321/
>   
> last year.
>
> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 9:17:48 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> The 

Re: [RBW] Re: Scam alert? I'm so confused. Blue Homer in LA? ND?

[Robert Calton]

Good morning all, I did talk to this seller and ended up buying a different 
Homer frame from someone else. *It's most definitely not a 54.5cm frame*. I 
got the sense that their "client" is not local to them and they wouldn't be 
able to confirm any measurements, etc. 

If they're now saying $1300 for the complete bike, it's 200% a scam. Be 
safe out there. 

On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 9:20:37 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Kim: I don't see how the administrator of this forum has any bearing on 
> someone's Facebook post. The scam is potentially occurring via Facebook, 
> not our forum. You reposted the FB listing here with a link. 
>
> Regarding the Blue Lug purchase, how on earth were you "scammed" by Blue 
> Lug? They are one of the best bike shops in the universe and I'm sure they 
> would correct any mistake or problem with your purchase. I dislike like the 
> implication that Blue Lug would scam anyone. 
>
> Regarding scams and buying/selling: If anything about the listing or your 
> interactions with a seller makes you uncomfortable or sets off *any* 
> alarms just drop the exchange and walk away. It's easy! If it's too good to 
> be true, it probably is. Although sometimes you have to know when to snag a 
> deal like when someone posts a Nitto S83 seatpost for $30. Sellers should 
> be happy and eager to share photos or details about frames or bikes for 
> sale. 
>
> Here on the forum it's easy to check someone's history simply by searching 
> their email address and reviewing their past posts to see if they 
> participate in discussions, buy and sell goods and you can get a sense of 
> how long they've been part of the community. All common sense stuff. 
>
> Also — Don't end up handing $50,000 in cash to a stranger on the street! 
> https://www.thecut.com/article/amazon-scam-call-ftc-arrest-warrants.html
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 8:00:50 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I concur. I sent this scammer Leah's way unknowingly. Stay away from this 
>> person. In this case his "cousin" just bought a Homer and so was selling 
>> his Roadini. He must troll this group for want to buy posts and pounces.  
>> Karma is a concept of action, work, or deed, and its effect or 
>> consequences. Here's hoping that a little karma is heading his way.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 7:55:23 AM UTC-4 Andrew Joseph wrote:
>>
>>> Bad experience with Jeff and the “seller,” he directed me to with a 
>>> Homer as well!
>>>
>>> I posted that I want to buy a Mustard frameset.  
>>> Jeff directed me to his friend, and it went very badly from there. 
>>>  Fortunately, I sent no payment.
>>>
>>> I also reported this to Admin.  
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 3, 2024, at 5:29 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> That Jeff McCathern guy tried to sell me a Roadini. He’s a scammer. I 
>>> wasn’t brave enough to say so publicly, but I will now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 6:25:52 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 Kim, the link takes us directly to a blue lug page. How did you get 
 scammed?  

 BTW, I’ve gotten scammed too — with eBay. I will never not buy directly 
 from the seller. 

 On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 12:29:57 AM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:

> @Brenton-
> I am sorry to hear and see you go through this ordeal. I wish it was 
> not so.
>
> The administrator for this RBWOB group is Jim - cyclo...@gmail.com
> Your message may take a day or two for him to respond. I hope he can 
> help you.
>
> My regards,
> Kim Hetzel.
> I got scammed too last year over these - 
> https://global.bluelug.com/catalog/product/view/id/27109/s/rew10-works-hex-brass-valve-cap/category/1321/
>   
> last year.
>
> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 9:17:48 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> The more I think about this the more fired up I get. I've had so many 
>> pleasant exchanges here, both transactional and non-transactional, that 
>> I 
>> feel protective of this group. If no scam is happening, no one will be 
>> bummed on me sharing out a phone number and email. 
>>
>> I was direct messaged from 'Jeff McCathern' via 
>> *jeff00m...@gmail.com* who said they were friends with a seller 
>> named "Leonard" and I gave my phone number to that emailer.
>>
>> The text message correspondence was with phone number *424-269-2563 
>> <(424)%20269-2563>* which got super cryptic and scammy. When they 
>> told me the bike was in LA, I said I would happily have a friend (I have 
>> lots of friends in LA, some are in this group!) meet up to buy the bike, 
>> they accused me of being cautious and suggested a deposit.
>>
>> Not sure who the admins of this group are, but everything about this 
>> says *scam*. I would love to be wrong.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 8:48:01 PM UTC-7 Brenton Eastman wrote:
>>

[RBW] Re: FS: Lots of nice Chrome parts for your builds/projects

[Robert Calton]

Messaged about the cable hanger :) 

On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 4:25:05 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:

> Hey Everyone!
>
> I recently put together a new build and in going through all the stuff in 
> my bin I realized I needed to cull through some my reserves/recently 
> acquired but swapped gear. Here's what I'm looking to move on to happy new 
> homes, Buyers pay shipping:
>
>
>- *Velo Orange Silver Grand Cru Long Pull brake levers and shims - $45*
>- *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $50*
>- *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion - $70*
>- *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
>mounted) - $25*
>- *Sram 11-34 cassette - $15*
>- *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $45 OBO*
>- *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
>nearly new) - $150*
>- *Single Tektro R559 See pull with second pair of kool stop pads(well 
>used, but works great) - $20*
>- *Pair of Soma Shikoro tires 38mm (low miles) - $60*
>- *Brooks Flyer Special (low miles, mounting scuffs on the rails) - 
>$80*
>
>
> *Photos here 
> *
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FFS: bicycle sentences journal

[Robert Calton]

Ill take it, message me your paypal address
On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 1:35:35 PM UTC-4 Paul Richardson wrote:

> i've got a copy of the older edition, which is spiral bound and has spaces 
> to log details about your ride.  no writing in mine.  send me $5 paypal f+f 
> and it's all yours.
>
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> takoma park, md.
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO // WTB // blue homer 54.5

[Robert Calton]

I spoke with this gentleman last week during my search and it is indeed a 
58cm frame from the 2019 run. 

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 8:46:35 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> That post says its still available as of 3 days ago but he also mentioned 
> its most likely a 58 not a 54.5. The 54.5 is a 700C size.
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 2:03:12 AM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> I tried. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 27, 2024, 10:59 PM Brenton Eastman  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That Facebook post is from Jan 2023 so I gotta assume that bike is gone. 
>>> Also the head tube looks very tall for a 54. Does anyone know if there were 
>>> 700c versions of AHH in 54.5?
>>>
>>> On Apr 27, 2024, at 9:04 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> @Brenton -
>>> If you go FACEBOOK Rivendell Bicycle BUY/SELL/TRADE, there is a blue 
>>> Homer under the owner's name of 
>>> *Payton Beargrr* 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>
>>> Very near mint condition A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm with 650b wheels. 
>>> Unsure of year but it's likely 4 or less years old. Taiwanese made frame. I 
>>> am not the original owner but this appears to be a Rivendell build. 
>>> -Nitto handlebars, stem, and seat post
>>> -Brooks saddle
>>> -Paul racer brakes, Paul canti levers
>>> -Paul thumbie mounts with Microshift shifters
>>> -Riv Silver double crankset
>>> -IRD front derailleur
>>> -Shimano Alivio rear derailleur
>>> -MKS Grip Monarch pedals
>>> -mismatched Shimano hubs, no name rims
>>> -Soma Cazadero 650 x 42b
>>> -Sackville bag
>>> The only imperfections are the two small paint chips on the top tube, 
>>> noted in the pictures. 
>>> $2500 + shipping. 
>>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 8:12:21 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looking for an AHH in Homer Blue. Not sure if older years came in sizes 
 other than 54.5 but that's about the size I want for my lady. Interested 
 in 
 new or used, frame+fork or complete, or a semi-complete project. 

 Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 700c wheelset (135mm rear) for Homer

[Robert Calton]

Found a good deal on a pair of Atlas/WI wheels. Thanks all for the feedback 
and offers and I look forward to posting the new build next month :) 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:42:54 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Maybe?
>
> Several years back I sold a Complete Toyo Atlantis to a neighbor.  I sold 
> the whole bike for $1900 and now looking at it through a 2024 lens, I gave 
> it away.  I reached out to my neighbor to see if he'd sell it back.  My 
> neighbor indicated he lives overseas for now, and that he sold the frame 
> set for $1400 a while back. The build kit is still in his garage, around 
> the corner from me.  I've asked him to sell me back the build kit, and I'm 
> awaiting his response on that.  If I procure that build kit, the wheel set 
> would be sensational on a 700c Hilsen.  Nothing is assured quite yet.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:11:36 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Excited to assemble my upcoming Homer (first Riv!), but Velocity is 
>> backordered on the Atlas rims and it might be a month or more until I could 
>> get a pair. I'm curious if anyone here might have a wheelset for sale that 
>> would fit. 
>>
>> I plan on using 43mm tires and Paul centerpull brakes, 8sp Shimano 
>> cassette, would need a 135mm rear spacing. 
>
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[RBW] WTB: 700c wheelset (135mm rear) for Homer

[Robert Calton]

Excited to assemble my upcoming Homer (first Riv!), but Velocity is 
backordered on the Atlas rims and it might be a month or more until I could 
get a pair. I'm curious if anyone here might have a wheelset for sale that 
would fit. 

I plan on using 43mm tires and Paul centerpull brakes, 8sp Shimano 
cassette, would need a 135mm rear spacing. 

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Re: [RBW] Centerpull vs V-Brakes in terms of maintenance and use

[Robert Calton]

Thank you for all the insight, folks. I just pulled the trigger on my first 
Riv, one that comes with Paul centerpulls. So I will do a deep-dive into 
this type of brake to learn as much as I can about them. Cheers!

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 8:14:24 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> I have to admit, my only centerpull experience is with bolt on Dia Compes 
> and Weimnmans, none of the fancy brakes.
>
> Then again, blue collar V brakes work great.
>
> Eric
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 7:55 PM Josiah Anderson  
> wrote:
>
>> I agree both with Bill's "it depends" and Eric's "(some) centerpulls are 
>> spooky weak when wet." That depends on the centerpulls. DC750s, for 
>> example, I would agree are marginal-to-dangerous when wet, which I 
>> attribute to their flexy arms and low mechanical advantage. Mafac Racers 
>> and Raids, however, are the equal of any brake I've used, dry or wet or 
>> icy, *when set up well* and with salmon pads. I have not used René Herse 
>> centerpulls, but since they're basically Raid copies I'd expect them to be 
>> excellent as well, which matches what I've heard about them. V-brakes seem 
>> to have fewer possibilities for variation in performance because they're so 
>> standardized in design and simple to set up, and therefore people don't 
>> experience bad ones as often. Bad v-brakes do exist but they usually come 
>> from Walmart.
>>
>> Josiah Anderson
>> Missoula, MT
>>
>> Le jeu. 25 avr. 2024 à 15:28, Eric Daume  a écrit :
>>
>>> Bill says “it depends,” but I can only offer my experience, which is 
>>> that both are adequate in the dry, but centerpulls are spooky weak when the 
>>> rims are wet. Centerpulls do look nicer, but in every performance category, 
>>> V brakes are a clear and easy win for me. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> V brake fan 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024, Robert Calton  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm curious what the differences are between these two types of brakes 
>>>> with regards to their respective maintenance and general use. Is one 
>>>> easier 
>>>> to adjust and keep in good riding order than the other? Does one feel 
>>>> fundamentally different than the other during the ride? 
>>>>
>>>> I've read that "stopping power" is greater on v-brakes, but is it 
>>>> really *that* much better to hold out for a frame that supports 
>>>> v-brakes? Are there other factors I'm overlooking other than stopping 
>>>> power? I wouldn't run more than 43mm tires and fenders.  
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[RBW] Centerpull vs V-Brakes in terms of maintenance and use

[Robert Calton]

I'm curious what the differences are between these two types of brakes with 
regards to their respective maintenance and general use. Is one easier to 
adjust and keep in good riding order than the other? Does one feel 
fundamentally different than the other during the ride? 

I've read that "stopping power" is greater on v-brakes, but is it really 
*that* much better to hold out for a frame that supports v-brakes? Are 
there other factors I'm overlooking other than stopping power? I wouldn't 
run more than 43mm tires and fenders. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Robert Calton]

@Ahmed: The 650b Homers look to be from 2019 MIT run and before. 

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> Homers were 700c now. 
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> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 8:18 AM aeroperf  wrote:
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>> All that considered, I’d say get the taller bike.
>> The folks at Riv do tend to put you on the tallest bike they think will 
>> clear your stand-over height.
>> The tiny bit extra chainstay length and wheelbase will add to the “Riv 
>> ride” feel.
>> And you won’t have so much seat post showing that you’ll think you've 
>> moved from a Salsa to a Brompton.
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[RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Robert Calton]

@aero and @hoch: I am selling my customized Salsa Vaya 55cm (700c) to fund 
this purchase, and the Homer would be my only bicycle (I say that now). I 
don't have any specific tires in mind and I wouldn't have any other wheels 
to swap out. There seems to be several 42-44 tires that would fit my riding 
needs for 650b, and clearly a *lot* more for 700c. I wouldn't be doing any 
long touring on this where tire availability is a factor. 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:45:04 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Robert - the geometry comparison highlights the point I was going to make 
> that given your PBH, the 650b will likely have better standover clearance 
> if you want to run tires at the larger end of the Homer's range.
>
> My rough stuff road bike has disc brakes so could take either 650b or 700c 
> wheels. Since I was wanting to run wider tires I went with 650x48 to get 
> the extra 16mm standover in a frame size that is near the cusp of what I 
> can clear.
>
> That comparison shows a much larger difference in standover, as well as 
> other differences that make it look to me like the 650b will be a better 
> fit for your proportions.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:36:56 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bill! That's helpful. The colors are the same on both offerings 
>> and the 650B's build is essentially what I would do to the 700c (with the 
>> help of my lovely LBS, of course). I'm not really too concerned with resale 
>> value, but rather the general riding experience. I suppose I could simply 
>> research the litany of 650b vs 700c threads out there to learn more about 
>> this. The geometry between the two are slightly different, however. 
>>
>> The BikeInsights chart attached below shows the 700c to be quite a bit 
>> taller than the 650b, which I wonder if that translates into overall 
>> comfort with regards to standover and handling.  
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:22:15 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> If it were me the decision is close enough that I'd probably leave it to 
>>> the surrounding details of each transaction.  I'm a particularly snobby and 
>>> self-absorbed curator of "builds" so that would be a huge vote in favor of 
>>> the 700 because it's a frame, unless the curator of the 650b build did a 
>>> lot of the things I would have done.  The effective "labor cost" of doing a 
>>> build is essentially zero for me.  Is one a shop and the other a person? 
>>>  That would have some weight for me.  If the shop was one that I could 
>>> frequent, putting money in the register of a shop reaps benefits down the 
>>> road.  If the person was one that I had particular respect for, that could 
>>> tilt me a different way.  
>>>
>>> Then there's color!  
>>>
>>> but...if we took it to a purely hypothetical situation, and asserted 
>>> they were both frames, both in identical condition, at the same price, and 
>>> from the same seller, so the real and only difference was 650B vs 700, then 
>>> I'd probably lean 700 because the 700 wheel on the 54.5 is "the latest", 
>>> and probably has a tiny bit better future proof resale value.  If that 
>>> wasn't the case and it really was completely wheel size then I'd personally 
>>> probably lean 650B for a Hilsen, but it would be like a vote of 52 to 48, 
>>> and my leaning may change on another day.
>>>
>>> Both are great bikes.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:20:48 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's looking like I'll have the opportunity to purchase either bicycle 
>>>> within the next week or so, a 54.5 Homer in 700c or 650b. I'm 5'11" with a 
>>>> 83.8PBH, so spot on for both of those sizes. 
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious what the wisdom of the community is in regards to making 
>>>> this decision, which should I consider more strongly? The price difference 
>>>> is negligible. They both have similar components on it (the 650 is a 
>>>> complete bike, the 700c I'd have to build up from a frameset and the cost 
>>>> is about equal for both). 
>>>>
>>>> I mainly ride pavement and rail trails with the occasional wooded 
>>>> paths. 
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts? :) 
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Robert Calton]

It's looking like I'll have the opportunity to purchase either bicycle 
within the next week or so, a 54.5 Homer in 700c or 650b. I'm 5'11" with a 
83.8PBH, so spot on for both of those sizes. 

I'm curious what the wisdom of the community is in regards to making this 
decision, which should I consider more strongly? The price difference is 
negligible. They both have similar components on it (the 650 is a complete 
bike, the 700c I'd have to build up from a frameset and the cost is about 
equal for both). 

I mainly ride pavement and rail trails with the occasional wooded paths. 

Thoughts? :) 

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[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Robert Calton]

That does make sense. I wonder if a 130 stem with the Albatross bars on the 
51 would give enough knee clearance, because I definitely want to run those 
bars. 
On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:08:44 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I would never question Rivendell's knowledge on anything at all but like I 
> said their method of sizing bikes for people does not work for me 
> personally. If you are comfortable on the 55 Salsa the 54 SH will feel a 
> lot bigger. The 51 will likely feel pretty close. But I don't want to 
> discourage sizing up especially if you are diving into the sweptback 
> movement the kids are into these days.
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:02:45 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> OP here, apologies for deleting the post amidst the thoughtful 
>> conversation, I thought that I got the answer I needed and didn't want to 
>> clutter up the board :p 
>>
>> Will at Riv suggested that I size up to the 54. 
>>
>> The context was: compared to my current bike, a drop-bar 55cm Salsa 
>> Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube of 55cm...
>>
>> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
>> 51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 
>>
>> 54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
>> 54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 
>>
>> An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times I 
>> measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with a 30" 
>> inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. That nearly 2" 
>> increase of standover height gives me pause, to be honest. But eh, seems 
>> that the wisdom of the riding community suggests sizing up. 
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 7:56:06 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>>
>>> Echoing Bill on here. I also look at stack and reach, and have nearly 
>>> the same dimensions as the OP
>>>
>>> I had a 53 Atlantis from the last run as it was correct for my PBH as 
>>> I’m between the 53 and 55, after deep dives on stack and reach(in 
>>> particular) I realized what made the bike *feel* small to me. I 
>>> should’ve sized up to a 55 instead, and similar to Bill have now scooped a 
>>> 56 hillborne from another list member as it’s the biggest size non step 
>>> over riv I can fit. 
>>>
>>> Roman told me that the 54 Sam would feel bigger as far as 
>>> standover(mostly due to the 700c wheels) but the bike might feel similar to 
>>> the Atlantis for stack and the reach is shorter. He actually suggested a 
>>> 60cm Plat with my seat slammed since I’m 6 ft tall. And I know Grant rides 
>>> a 59cm Clem with only a slightly taller PBH than I have. 
>>>
>>> All that to say, I think I’ll be sizing up henceforth as I like toscos 
>>> or albatross bars usually and don’t mind the straddle heigh being close!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 6:42:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> Johnny said: "the 51 SH I owned seemed as large or larger than the 54cm 
>>>> Rambo"
>>>>
>>>> I agree with that.  A 51 Sam is "bigger" than a 54cm Rambouillet, IMO. 
>>>>  My comment had to do with the OP's height at 5'11".  A 5'11" person would 
>>>> probably do best on a 60cm Ram.  At 5'10" I'd pick a 60cm if you gave me 
>>>> any size I choose.  A 57 Hillborne would be a little bigger than a 60 Ram, 
>>>> and a 54 Hilborne would be a little smaller.  The OP deleted their post so 
>>>> it's maybe a thread we should let die.  
>>>>
>>>> Here's a comment to those who are super confused by the numbers 
>>>> associated with bike sizing:  it is super confusing.  Different people 
>>>> have 
>>>> different approaches to normalize bike fitting.  The method I use is 
>>>> pretty 
>>>> common, and pretty contemporary, and that is Stack and Reach.  I keep my 
>>>> Stack and Reach numbers in my pocket and go from there.  The numbers I use 
>>>> are 600mm for Stack and 390mm for Reach for a roadish drop bar setup.  I 
>>>> have a ton of bikes, and the names of their sizes range from 47 all the 
>>>> way 
>>>> to 62, but are all where I want them to be in Stack and Reach.  Looking 
>>>> for 
>>>> those numbers the 54 is right there in Stack for 5'10" me, but it's a 
>>>> little short in the Reach department so I'd need to run a longer stem with 
>>>> drop bars and forget about it for any kind of upright bar setup.  The 
>>>&g

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Robert Calton]

;>>
>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>> Lex KY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:40:27 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am between sizes as well and my general rule is...if I want a 
>>>>>>>> more traditional setup/fit (maybe with drop bars) I size down. If I 
>>>>>>>> want to 
>>>>>>>> go laid back, more sweptback style I go up. With your PBH if you want 
>>>>>>>> drops 
>>>>>>>> go with the 51 otherwise the 54 might be best. If you want to size up 
>>>>>>>> but 
>>>>>>>> the standover gives you pause then consider a Platypus. I understand 
>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>> advice to call Rivendell but (from my experience) they are almost 
>>>>>>>> always 
>>>>>>>> going to push you into a go larger direction and that has not 
>>>>>>>> historically 
>>>>>>>> always worked for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:20:35 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oooh, a new Sam - exciting!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) Send Riv an email and get their recommendation, they're great 
>>>>>>>>> with this stuff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2) I'm a similar height but have an 87cm PBH. With your torso 
>>>>>>>>> length I'm guessing you'll want more reach, the concern is the 
>>>>>>>>> standover on 
>>>>>>>>> the 54cm Sam if you max out the tires. Either way you'll probably 
>>>>>>>>> want a 
>>>>>>>>> long stem on that Albatross. My 58cm top tube Albatross bike has a 
>>>>>>>>> 120mm 
>>>>>>>>> stem. The drop tube bikes (Susie, Platypus, Clem) are great for 
>>>>>>>>> getting a 
>>>>>>>>> longer fit without worrying about standover; I'm on a 60cm Platypus 
>>>>>>>>> and the 
>>>>>>>>> reach is luxurious.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:43:16 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Haven't had luck pinning down a used bike this last week, so I'm 
>>>>>>>>>> thinking I might try and buy a new Sam in May/June with the refresh 
>>>>>>>>>> and I 
>>>>>>>>>> don't know if the 51 or 54 frame size is the right choice. Compared 
>>>>>>>>>> to my 
>>>>>>>>>> current bike, a 55cm Salsa Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube 
>>>>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>>>>> 55cm...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
>>>>>>>>>> 51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
>>>>>>>>>> 54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times 
>>>>>>>>>> I measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with 
>>>>>>>>>> a 30" 
>>>>>>>>>> inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would like to run Albatross bars and be comfy about it. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which frame size should I choose? 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 54cm Appaloosa or Sam, or 53cm Atlantis

[Robert Calton]

Theres a 53 Atlantis in Columbus on the facebook group.  Thats just a hop 
skip from you. 

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 6:27:36 PM UTC-4 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:

> Preferably with swept bars (Choco, Losco, Billie, etc) or possibly frame 
> only. I'm in Cincinnati, OH and could travel a reasonable distance to pick 
> up, or shipping is possible. Also will be traveling to Kansas City, KS in 
> June and could pick up along that route, as well. 

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[RBW] Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Robert Calton]

Haven't had luck pinning down a used bike this last week, so I'm thinking I 
might try and buy a new Sam in May/June with the refresh and I don't know 
if the 51 or 54 frame size is the right choice. Compared to my current 
bike, a 55cm Salsa Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube of 55cm...

51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 

54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 

An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times I 
measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with a 30" 
inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. 

I would like to run Albatross bars and be comfy about it. 

Which frame size should I choose? 


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WRe: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Robert Calton]

Will confirmed both the Atlantis and the Homer are slated for 2025.
On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 3:43:46 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> All I've seen is this quote from the Email Update:
>
> "After we get Susies, we'll have Sams 
> <https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-sam-hillborne-2020> in May/June 
> and then Roadunos. More info on that next week, probably. "
>
>  this tells me it always changes, and so we've got to plan based on the 
> latest info.  If you are patiently waiting for something super specific, 
> it's a good idea to email Will about it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 12:34:24 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> @Luke: Where did you see the Atlantis was going to be available this 
>> year? I've not seen it on the roadmap that was posted around. Anyone have 
>> more info on this? 
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:28:35 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Worth noting: the Atlantis *will* be available later this year. 
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:57:14 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot 
>>>> of bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
>>>> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
>>>> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
>>>> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
>>>> the other one.
>>>>
>>>> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
>>>> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
>>>> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, 
>>>> if 
>>>> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
>>>> for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
>>>>> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
>>>>> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
>>>>> Ram.
>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Robert Calton]

@Luke: Where did you see the Atlantis was going to be available this year? 
I've not seen it on the roadmap that was posted around. Anyone have more 
info on this? 

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:28:35 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Worth noting: the Atlantis *will* be available later this year. 
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:57:14 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot of 
>> bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
>> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
>> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
>> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
>> the other one.
>>
>> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
>> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
>> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if 
>> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
>> for.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>
>>> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
>>> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
>>> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
>>> Ram.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 53 Atlantis

[Robert Calton]

You've got a message :)

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 3:40:35 AM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> PM'd
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 7:43:40 PM UTC-8 zac.te...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Selling my 53 Atlantis. Paul levers and neo-retro brakes, albatross bars, 
>> mks bear traps, silver cranks. In great condition, dirty in the pic but 
>> will be cleaned up before you take it! Will be sold without the 
>> rack/basket, and I'll swap the saddle out for a different b17 that's a 
>> little newer. 
>>
>> Asking for $2200. Would prefer to sell locally in the SF bay area (I'm on 
>> the peninsula) but would be willing to ship at buyers expense. 
>>
>> Feel free to ask any questions you may have. I'm sure there's something I 
>> missed. 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: VO 175mm Single Ring Crankset

[Robert Calton]

I'll take it :) Let's connect for payment and shipping. 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 5:24:58 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:

> 1x setups are not for me. Barely ridden/almost zero wear on the chainring. 
> Some light scuffs but nothing major. 
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/cranks/products/single-ring-crankset-w-nw-ring
> $110 shipped in the lower 48. 
>
> [image: IMG_5495.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[Robert Calton]

Aww, bummer :( Thanks for the info Johnny

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 10:33:10 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I believe that is blue not sage. Blue was available as a 51 frame.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 10:08:03 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug, thanks again for some insight. It seems they didn't make a 51 in 
>> the 2009 sage frame runs, it went from 48 to 52 and that measurement seems 
>> too big to be a 48. Unless they had sage frames in the 2017 run of 51's, 
>> that is, but I'm not sure when the color switch happened. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:32:56 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I'm thinking that this is a size 51 maybe since Riv uses the seat tube 
>>> measurement for the listed sizes.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is 
 indeed the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 
 
  doesn't 
 show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
 would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
 definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.

 On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:

> Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top 
> of Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I 
> bought the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers 
> word and quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6" 
>  with a 28" inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely 
> clear the TT..
>
> I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask 
>> them about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my 
>> size 
>> in this model given the other geometry :) 
>>
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I 
>>> don't know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If 
>>> the 
>>> numbers are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b 
>>> wheels. 
>>> That is a nice looking build with nice parts.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling 
 and hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely 
 Hillborne. I 
 just wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The 
 listing 
 says 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: 
 on 
 their site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 
 54cm 
 or indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm 
 sure 
 a 53 would be fine too.  

 All the best,
 Robert 

 On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:

> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. 
> First up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>
>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>- Paul brake levers
>- Tektro brakes
>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>- 9-speed cassette
>- Acera derailleur 
>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>- Albatross handlebars 
>- Paul thumbies 
>
> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>
> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>


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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[Robert Calton]

Hi Doug, thanks again for some insight. It seems they didn't make a 51 in 
the 2009 sage frame runs, it went from 48 to 52 and that measurement seems 
too big to be a 48. Unless they had sage frames in the 2017 run of 51's, 
that is, but I'm not sure when the color switch happened. 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:32:56 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I'm thinking that this is a size 51 maybe since Riv uses the seat tube 
> measurement for the listed sizes.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is 
>> indeed the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 
>> 
>>  doesn't 
>> show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
>> would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
>> definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>
>>> Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top 
>>> of Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I 
>>> bought the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers 
>>> word and quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6" 
>>>  with a 28" inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely 
>>> clear the TT..
>>>
>>> I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask them 
 about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my size in 
 this model given the other geometry :) 

 On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't 
> know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the 
> numbers 
> are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is 
> a 
> nice looking build with nice parts.
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling 
>> and hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. 
>> I 
>> just wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing 
>> says 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on 
>> their site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 
>> 54cm 
>> or indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm 
>> sure 
>> a 53 would be fine too.  
>>
>> All the best,
>> Robert 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>
>>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. 
>>> First up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>>
>>>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>>>- Paul brake levers
>>>- Tektro brakes
>>>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>>- 9-speed cassette
>>>- Acera derailleur 
>>>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>>- Albatross handlebars 
>>>- Paul thumbies 
>>>
>>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>>
>>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[Robert Calton]

Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is indeed 
the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 

 doesn't 
show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:

> Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top of 
> Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I bought 
> the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers word and 
> quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6"  with a 28" 
> inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely clear the TT..
>
> I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask them 
>> about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my size in 
>> this model given the other geometry :) 
>>
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't 
>>> know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the numbers 
>>> are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is a 
>>> nice looking build with nice parts.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling and 
 hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. I 
 just 
 wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing says 
 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on their 
 site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 54cm or 
 indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm sure a 
 53 would be fine too.  

 All the best,
 Robert 

 On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:

> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. First 
> up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>
>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>- Paul brake levers
>- Tektro brakes
>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>- 9-speed cassette
>- Acera derailleur 
>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>- Albatross handlebars 
>- Paul thumbies 
>
> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>
> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>


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[RBW] Re: FS: VO 175mm Single Ring Crankset

[Robert Calton]

I'll take it :) How would you prefer payment? 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 5:24:58 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:

> 1x setups are not for me. Barely ridden/almost zero wear on the chainring. 
> Some light scuffs but nothing major. 
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/cranks/products/single-ring-crankset-w-nw-ring
> $110 shipped in the lower 48. 
>
> [image: IMG_5495.jpg]
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Sam Hillborne Complete Albatross-build Bike (Waterford frame, Taiwan fork) $1800

[Robert Calton]

You can try posting to imgur  and just posting the link. 
Just drag and drop all the images right on over onto the imgur site. :)

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 5:00:30 PM UTC-4 Rich Lesnik wrote:

> Can anyone tell me how to post photos on the forum? I have 7 photos of the 
> previously listed 52cm Sam, but keep getting a "message too large" 
> notification when I try to post them.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:
>
>> This is my old Sam, returned to me by my brother who doesn't ride it 
>> anymore. Color is sage green. Suntour XCPro front/rear detailers, wheels 
>> built by me, Deore hubs, Atlas (rear) Synergy (front) rims. Sugino XD2 
>> triple crank. Includes B67 honey saddle, Gripking pedals. Local Bay Area 
>> pickup. Photos available on request (unless someone can tell me how to post 
>> photos on the forum!)
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB Atlantis 53cm, Homer 54.5cm, frame or complete

[Robert Calton]

Good looking out, Matthew. My PBH is 83.8, so unfortunately the 51cm 
Atlantis seems a wee bit short. Thank you for passing it along though! I've 
got some chats going on about a Sam and a Homer right now. Hopefully one of 
those works out :) 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:03:23 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Here’s a 51cm Atlantis...
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-atlantis-new/7733367373.html
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 15, 2024, at 5:38 AM, Robert Calton  wrote:
>
> Also very interested in a Hillborne 52/54
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:36:15 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Looking for an Atlantis in 53cm or Homer in 54.5cm, frame or complete. 
>> I'm in the Boston metro or I'll cover shipping. 
>>
>> Thank you for your time and consideration. :) 
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB Atlantis 53cm, Homer 54.5cm, frame or complete

[Robert Calton]

Also very interested in a Hillborne 52/54

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:36:15 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> Looking for an Atlantis in 53cm or Homer in 54.5cm, frame or complete. I'm 
> in the Boston metro or I'll cover shipping. 
>
> Thank you for your time and consideration. :) 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 53cm $2500/obo

[Robert Calton]

Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask them 
about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my size in 
this model given the other geometry :) 

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't know 
> how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the numbers are 
> accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is a nice 
> looking build with nice parts.
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling and 
>> hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. I just 
>> wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing says 
>> 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on their 
>> site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 54cm or 
>> indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm sure a 
>> 53 would be fine too.  
>>
>> All the best,
>> Robert 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>
>>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. First 
>>> up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>>
>>>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>>>- Paul brake levers
>>>- Tektro brakes
>>>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>>- 9-speed cassette
>>>- Acera derailleur 
>>>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>>- Albatross handlebars 
>>>- Paul thumbies 
>>>
>>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>>
>>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 53cm $2500/obo

[Robert Calton]

Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling and 
hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. I just 
wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing says 
53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on their 
site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 54cm or 
indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm sure a 
53 would be fine too.  

All the best,
Robert 

On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:

> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. First up, 
> a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>
>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>- Paul brake levers
>- Tektro brakes
>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>- 9-speed cassette
>- Acera derailleur 
>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>- Albatross handlebars 
>- Paul thumbies 
>
> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>
> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>

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[RBW] WTB Atlantis 53cm, Homer 54.5cm, frame or complete

[Robert Calton]

Looking for an Atlantis in 53cm or Homer in 54.5cm, frame or complete. I'm 
in the Boston metro or I'll cover shipping. 

Thank you for your time and consideration. :) 

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