[sage-devel] Re: talk
Charming slides! I could sympathize with most of your wishlist. Many thanks that you started Sage project, around the time when I wished something like Sage! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Re: talk
On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 4:32:38 PM UTC-7, William wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 5:49 PM, Timo Kaufmann > wrote:
> > I really like your wishlist! The all-or-nothing nature of sage and the
> slow
> > startup time
> > (although it's actually more like 1.3 seconds with a warm cache
> > on my machine)
>
> Precisely how are you benchmarking this, and what is your machine?
> Can you copy/paste a session?
>
You weren't asking me, but: cold, "sage --startuptime" gives me
Total time (sum over exclusive time): 28884.693ms
Then rerunning it gives
Total time (sum over exclusive time): 1019.819ms
Or if you don't like 'sage --startuptime':
$ time ./sage -c 'print("hello")'
hello
real0m1.210s
user0m0.849s
sys0m0.279s
This is on a 2017 iMac, 4.2 GHz Intel i7, 32 GB, "fusion" drive.
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: talk
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 5:49 PM, Timo Kaufmann wrote: > I really like your wishlist! The all-or-nothing nature of sage and the slow > startup time > (although it's actually more like 1.3 seconds with a warm cache > on my machine) Precisely how are you benchmarking this, and what is your machine? Can you copy/paste a session? > I'm not sure if its a good idea to separate user and developer error > messages. I think it might be, because most end users of Sage have very, very different expectations, backgrounds, etc., than Sage developers. Developers are often intimately familiar with Python, Cython, and the Sage library. Instructors who I've talked to who teach undergrads and who don't give up on Sage typically create their own local "dictionaries" to help their students figure out what the cryptic Sage error messages actually mean. I've seen this repeatedly, and it's often done in a context sensitive way. Improving presentation of errors messages (especially the Sage preparser related mangling) is probably one of the more accessible projects. Maybe somebody will do it as a GSoC in 2019... > I'm also not convinced that machine learning would be of great > help here, but who knows! It is only potentially useful if you have a large sample of actual errors in the wild... Stackoverflow can be useful for that for some software (not Sage). -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[sage-devel] Re: talk
I really like your wishlist! The all-or-nothing nature of sage and the slow startup time (although it's actually more like 1.3 seconds with a warm cache on my machine) are my biggest pain points. I'm not sure if its a good idea to separate user and developer error messages. I'm also not convinced that machine learning would be of great help here, but who knows! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Quaternion algebras
On 2018-07-24 22:52, John Cremona wrote: I heard a talk today by Henri Cohen Today? Nice coincidence :-) The recent pari release (2.11.0) has classical modular forms but not Hilbert. HC said that it was on his wishlist to do similar form HMFs, and he planned to work on that with Aurel Page, but they have not done it yet. In any case, progress for this wishlist item is most likely going to come from PARI/GP. I do not think that there are quaternion algebras in there yet They have a whole package dealing with finite-dimensional algebras in general and a few specific things for quaternion algebras: https://pari.math.u-bordeaux.fr/dochtml/html/Associative_and_central_simple_algebras.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Quaternion algebras
On 24 July 2018 at 22:47, William Stein wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Jeroen Demeyer > wrote: > > You write in your wishlist > > > > Quaternion algebras over totally real fields > > > > What exactly do you want to do? > > I want to compute Hilbert modular forms over totally real fields. > > > PARI/GP has done a lot in that direction in > > recent years, but none of that is interfaced/used by Sage. > > NICE ! -- I'll check it out... > I heard a talk today by Henri Cohen (at Oberwolfach -- remembering happy days when William was here too). The recent pari release (2.11.0) has classical modular forms but not Hilbert. HC said that it was on his wishlist to do similar form HMFs, and he planned to work on that with Aurel Page, but they have not done it yet. I do not think that there are quaternion algebras in there yet, but would have to check to make certain. John > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "sage-devel" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > William (http://wstein.org) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Quaternion algebras
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > You write in your wishlist > > Quaternion algebras over totally real fields > > What exactly do you want to do? I want to compute Hilbert modular forms over totally real fields. > PARI/GP has done a lot in that direction in > recent years, but none of that is interfaced/used by Sage. NICE ! -- I'll check it out... > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Quaternion algebras
You write in your wishlist Quaternion algebras over totally real fields What exactly do you want to do? PARI/GP has done a lot in that direction in recent years, but none of that is interfaced/used by Sage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] sage build clangs
If I understand correctly, thanks to the work in - Sage Trac ticket 12426 Make Sage build with clang (3.7+) and make it the default on OS X https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/12426 building Sage with clang works since Sage 8.2, but this makes Sage build with clang only under macOS >= 10.11 "El Capitan", in particular, not under macOS 10.9.x "Mavericks or under macOS 10.10.x "Yosemite". In any case, Mavericks and Yosemite are no longer supported by Apple, so it is highly encouraged to upgrade to a supported operating system -- either a recent enough macOS or Linux! : ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[sage-devel] Re: 8.3.rc1: issue with sage banner
Note that you can run sage -v to get just the version; and sage -q to start in quiet mode (no banner). Combining them gives a "simplified banner". $ sage -v; sage -q SageMath version 8.3.rc2, Release Date: 2018-07-22 sage: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
