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On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:38:41 +0200 Johannes Berg johan...@sipsolutions.net wrote: I didn't catch the original post so I reply to the reply... So basically, SANE is the back end. Correct? Then as front end what will I use? I believe I was referring to VueScan as front-end. Please clarify this for me if I have a wrong understanding of SANE. SANE provides backends (drivers) and frontends (applications). This division allows third parties to produce their own frontends (Xsane, quiteinsane) and facilitates network scanning. Vuescan is more monolithic, Windows style, though I believe it does use SANE backends for some scanners. Vuescan is aimed particularly at film scanning so supports a wider range of film scanners than SANE. Last, any good web resource for learning and preparing myself for scanning? Like understanding colors saturations, etc..., www.scantips.com Martin
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Hi, On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 09:33:17PM +0200, Spiro Angeli wrote: johannes: Subscribe to the list. I did subscribe to sane-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org Looks like you didn't. At least not with the address you use for sending Mails to sane-devel (sp...@siriush.com). I've checked the list of subscribers and you are not there. All I do is new email and send it to: sane-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org Is this correct? If so, yes I am still getting the [Your message to sane-devel awaits moderator approval] Please help me clarify this issue. You must use the same address for subscribing and sending mail. Or you can subscribe multiple times and enable no mail for the addresses that should only be used for sending mail. Bye, Henning
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Il giorno gio, 09-06-2005 alle 21:33 +0200, Spiro Angeli ha scritto: Hi johannes, [...] I thought you were going to use SANE. Then you don't need vuescan. So basically, SANE is the back end. Correct? Then as front end what will I use? I believe I was referring to VueScan as front-end. Please clarify this for me if I have a wrong understanding of SANE. [...] SANE includes many backends and a few frontends. There are also external frontends for sane backends and external backends for sane frontends. All frontends I know are scanimage, xscanimage, xsane, gimp (uses xscanimage or xsane), saned. VueScan is a different product with its own frontend and backend. VueScan and SANE are different products that do not talk each other. An example of an external sane backend is HPAIO, parts of the HP Linux Printing and Imaging System. Giuseppe
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Hi, Yes, correct. I was using another email address. I did send a test message and went through fine. So, this is resolved and sorry for the mistake. Thank you, Spiro Hi, On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 09:33:17PM +0200, Spiro Angeli wrote: johannes: Subscribe to the list. I did subscribe to sane-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org Looks like you didn't. At least not with the address you use for sending Mails to sane-devel (sp...@siriush.com). I've checked the list of subscribers and you are not there. All I do is new email and send it to: sane-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org Is this correct? If so, yes I am still getting the [Your message to sane-devel awaits moderator approval] Please help me clarify this issue. You must use the same address for subscribing and sending mail. Or you can subscribe multiple times and enable no mail for the addresses that should only be used for sending mail. Bye, Henning
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Hi, Approaching 15000 pictures 35mm I wish to know, for those who already have the scanner (I am thinking to purchase a Nikon LS 4000 or LS 5000) how is the scanning process. I explain better: If I say I have 50 pictures to scan, how do you handle the scanning process? Is it possible to scan x number of pictures, holding them in memory and then save them to the disk all at once or do I have to scan and save, scan and save? I am trying to understand what is that I will be faced with. I am also trying to figure out how much time it will take for me to scan pictures, and am trying to figure out how to standardize the process of manually scanning all these pictures. I know that scanning time depends on the depth of the scanned picture. But is there a table that shows based on the depth of color and bits what is the time needed for the device to scan and save? Thank you, Spiro
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--=-hoVIH9nrX2io8lBFh1mw Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 12:22 +0200, Spiro Angeli wrote: Approaching 15000 pictures 35mm I wish to know,=20 Wow :) for those who already have the=20 scanner (I am thinking to purchase a Nikon LS 4000 or LS 5000) how is the= =20 scanning process. the LS5000 isn't currently supported by sane. If I say I have 50 pictures to scan, how do you handle the scanning proce= ss?=20 Is it possible to scan x number of pictures, holding them in memory and t= hen=20 save them to the disk all at once or do I have to scan and save, scan and= =20 save? You'll probably want to write a script/program that scans an image and saves it to disk while the next one scans. That way, you don't need gigs of memory but the scanner need not wait for the disk, nor the other way around. An image scanned with the LS5000 would probably approach 60megs or so. I am trying to understand what is that I will be faced with. I am also tr= ying=20 to figure out how much time it will take for me to scan pictures, and am=20 trying to figure out how to standardize the process of manually scanning = all=20 these pictures. In what format are they? slides? negatives? I know that scanning time depends on the depth of the scanned picture. Bu= t is=20 there a table that shows based on the depth of color and bits what is the= =20 time needed for the device to scan and save? There's a table here: http://filmscanner.info/NikonSuperCoolscan5000ED.html Scroll down all the way to the bottom, then up until you hit the tables. Just a few things: 'ohne' =3D without, 'mit' =3D with, 'Bild'=3Dpicture, 'Bilder'=3Dpictures, 'Stunde' =3D hour, 'Dia' =3D slide, 'Stapel'=3Dbatch, 'Vorschau'=3Dpreview, 'Einzel'=3Dsingle, 'Belichtung'=3Dexposure. (Now you should be able to understand the tables) johannes --=-hoVIH9nrX2io8lBFh1mw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Johannes Berg (SIP Solutions) iQIVAwUAQqh8dKVg1VMiehFYAQKLuRAAtms36cICrrnV5eQW6U2VVMTnzhisFuOd o7bhMffpBNTIwXMz/YmO5w+b/qVhf8zG6w03LBQoPMr/yMoUERMvjLLHk4NrCkZj iktWWIgdktkZTYHUWymXl+CL4j6tz2EJ12MFP/EgxeiqW81HQhrfPziu5JpQcWxu 1nEXSfCWKVe0/gfozXof4z8Eef7sjR/MjuI03eqgHOyMS7+LDPmjVaTV5UNnl0t+ i2fapY8XYjbfY+TQ+5ydKpGqoUrquzG8MizHQcIZZGkEkyfXwHhxeU7L366Av8Aj SpilcwuwtdlEHrnPKRCKaaK5XogBYHwIIQ9H4t5pird+NyBS89uNSzgsm097xusv J806qGS6nfID8nGaf9muncJOweHPjWCtDMy7IMscqcfqsJa14LuXHHSO9J05HL1f qTDjwq3WJWRtmaEwO9/oG5dPm0Xz7c+6ze3S4AzqpaIBl/FoF2CzGz7IXD9VwML3 EHSfdyc3nDH7e/7ASmVvpj5SMaTtU7fpkDVYn/lc2NAdn7Uoj2jJL1MkvolLs5Cn 7nrJdpnpp6rl2QSjkpoaZ519pLs2tEIIajKG9ipezoHZ6UkpTlRe2yksyBAMkz+6 EzU9uCOs88kOt9U33fgs9PDFnYmRg9AbLsTxTYcjnWuzb5ekd32jm+LBNg7m81h1 VTGrDEq/bHU= =22GK -END PGP SIGNATURE- --=-hoVIH9nrX2io8lBFh1mw--
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--=-AVo7SEvfXqtm8421c6eX Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Pictures are all 35mm of set of 4 per negative. They are not ( unfortunat= ely )=20 on a roll. So they're in strips? That sucks. You're in for quite a bit of strip changing then. As for application, because I am unable to run Nikon original software un= der=20 Gentoo Linux, I was thinking of http://www.hamrick.com/ VueScan as offer= ing=20 the same and more features than what Nicon offers. Do you know anything a= bout=20 this or do you think gimps would be fine? Anything else to advice as=20 application? I thought you were going to use SANE. Then you don't need vuescan. As for format, I do not know yet. I assume it will be either jpeg or tiff= . I=20 think jpeg with a good resolution would be sufficient. It is not only for= =20 displaying on the monitor but also for prints. They have told me that=20 nowadays, even a jpeg can be a good graphic format as long as it is well=20 scanned. As for space, once I decided the file format and the compression I can fi= gure=20 out how much disk space I will need. Yeah, whatever. You don't want to keep 20 images in memory though :) I like a lot the idea of the script that in the background while scanning= the=20 next picture save the previous one. Should be fairly easy. Trivial, however, is scanning,saving,scanning,saving, Summing up, as of now, I have the idea of purchasing the Nikon 4000, with= =20 slides accessory (as I also have 300 slides) and perhaps VueScan software= . If you get the 4000 with the slides accessory you'll probably be able to just scan from the command line and write a script to advance to the next slide, scan, save it, (or use scanadf maybe). There is a new Epson scanner PhotoPC F-3200 which I do not know well but = it=20 does not show up in the compatibility list.=20 No idea. Do you know if VueScan still needs SANE as backend? No idea. LAST QUESTION: Any time I have to submit/reply an email, I mail it, it ge= st on=20 hold, and then it is sent to the mailing list. Is there a way to eliminat= e=20 the hold process, so that when I need help, I just write to=20 sane-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org and it gets posted? Subscribe to the list. johannes --=-AVo7SEvfXqtm8421c6eX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Johannes Berg (SIP Solutions) iQIVAwUAQqiTlKVg1VMiehFYAQL/Cg//f/FTS5865vivhLcVECdm2BGOEyv72oDU Sf3D7W1Di+pJwzWxUx9oQKakFw4cHI3K9JaHq5sO2ZxcMmQAQA4JxvY4j2caVl4H +ZR7fXo0q9Avi2ncTjRd/kHfvpD+VlXvgztkYbXB5uDE2Ne7nKC//KNM8bm7knxH ud6WOP+ZZ570yKKd8G8sEy0tAx2AEVt8Xk2TUI54+TkAB9LJwF9wXKDJIFEMFEsU sD6cCwk8k2io46ChM46DTuoHo7NGQRw8x91X9y1wlG15i1QuNqE6MfQENOHXberp XkgnTiQWQ6bWqOGcrGhrpgt6P+sU8l6b7qexvAlIzkXc+ExnPQGs2hNeLWrhDEi+ v69XtI3kJot1k3B0+xx4ungZl0SO1uWH+tIVjqQHK9Kw/LGAGQzM6+JwTj5Sv7DM EeT26BpCkzQqo/dIXnZGAlmyJ6cR9J/8ddutqAtpNvLCpqtBJHfeZ25I6tdizniZ PNtWlIj4R5BjnhysEF7yQqqjt6LRI3WhCfKJ+6LzfoiX0R1QjiVg/35wXBTQMzU8 b+3FYxDYPfSmYNUUp7S3u/FmbliN0TG1y6EjpM431qmfaEvzSJaYCxzFnGVZhrec lGE8eSeKwZAIiXWrNhWbwbXwnbcRwcOxP/dz3H1mo+fmqGQZR8MQ7z3iHo3pf0cS hC9zWHnjtKU= =R/X/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- --=-AVo7SEvfXqtm8421c6eX--
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--=-FWC4exitATKR8YvzoVOf Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I did subscribe to sane-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org All I do is new ema= il=20 and send it to: sane-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org Is this correct? If so, yes I am still getting the [Your message to=20 sane-devel awaits moderator approval] Please help me clarify this issue. Oh, sorry. Then the list's server doesn't like you for some reason. But I don't know why, the list admin might see it. I thought you were going to use SANE. Then you don't need vuescan. So basically, SANE is the back end. Correct? Then as front end what will = I=20 use? I believe I was referring to VueScan as front-end. Please clarify th= is=20 for me if I have a wrong understanding of SANE. sane is the backend, yeah, but you want to use a script or a program sane has as the frontend, like scanadf. Last, any good web resource for learning and preparing myself for scannin= g?=20 Like understanding colors saturations, etc...,=20 No idea, maybe others can help (I'd be interested too). besides also learning the=20 front end program? You don't want a GUI front end, you want something simple that scans the pictures in succession and saves them with numbers. if you'd need to push a button (or more) for each picture you'll well... johannes --=-FWC4exitATKR8YvzoVOf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Johannes Berg (SIP Solutions) iQIVAwUAQqiav6Vg1VMiehFYAQKEEA/7BQJce5mnzD5PxmzkbD9Lz7wlHDF7ZWfu uZDDT+COaNPE+fiGWhW4yfAUib4ag0Ws8gw/xltUL3BnPvQIKWcUTQ2iEZ9iQHBa FXp+T+2LqmZOoZcuYMDjoX5qeC4x2IzSAhQokGLE4AohBVysnWu5AqZIP51q5F0w 5RD80RIanovcmkLV1A35P3IJ417SfTfRDyU29BDPow6qBUrqePfwGGOHnd/aVXfE pHXQfz6i+myhtSCxqrCAsLBIXK9P4MhqRtCJkrCey9GGqIV/WiKh7ypu0Kq4NNrb WENdFcVoNrkD214cLJUqPUl2uuJfIx7rlTCMHQQZLPrG/bZoKGjNx8fI9KrZuiNI 6yaniXB6svQVvPJ70UuBogmgSBx49yGOMB43yFpbKyhN+6zsNl+xIxB2pnw6ESAF B29KCQxxdeSarAAMzWZe5jfRmVBnR5JMOmsa9NUbCUlhwaOlBu933WcoNP+TSFbE yT8qvejWugOd1PySfakpn8yMKKnRD/6s5vINBtyZs+ocn+Mj6zTXrFkWr2rGcJMn rD+r7uu9Vm2+4aTIXaK+jpTbQQT6A8M7x613P1JBsP9VMA+ajtyi+GBO5D0sWwPG SSLrnWUz1r/VF2FtlVONAihvjzYJa5mzE5lnHM1BW6Ia47SyGG5v7dnP8oh5TIwJ +bHKv/buIFc= =BjK7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --=-FWC4exitATKR8YvzoVOf--
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Hi johannes, Yes, It is a big progect I have to work on. Pictures are all 35mm of set of 4 per negative. They are not ( unfortunately ) on a roll. Yes, writing a script would be super. I would have to learn this first. But, as for model, if Nikon LS 5000 is not supported I think I will choose Nikon LS 4000 (which by now is well supported) as also comes with a rebate which makes it affordable. As for application, because I am unable to run Nikon original software under Gentoo Linux, I was thinking of http://www.hamrick.com/ VueScan as offering the same and more features than what Nicon offers. Do you know anything about this or do you think gimps would be fine? Anything else to advice as application? As for format, I do not know yet. I assume it will be either jpeg or tiff. I think jpeg with a good resolution would be sufficient. It is not only for displaying on the monitor but also for prints. They have told me that nowadays, even a jpeg can be a good graphic format as long as it is well scanned. As for space, once I decided the file format and the compression I can figure out how much disk space I will need. I like a lot the idea of the script that in the background while scanning the next picture save the previous one. Summing up, as of now, I have the idea of purchasing the Nikon 4000, with slides accessory (as I also have 300 slides) and perhaps VueScan software. There is a new Epson scanner PhotoPC F-3200 which I do not know well but it does not show up in the compatibility list. Do you know if VueScan still needs SANE as backend? LAST QUESTION: Any time I have to submit/reply an email, I mail it, it gest on hold, and then it is sent to the mailing list. Is there a way to eliminate the hold process, so that when I need help, I just write to sane-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org and it gets posted? Thank you so much for the help.! Spiro On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 12:22 +0200, Spiro Angeli wrote: Approaching 15000 pictures 35mm I wish to know, Wow :) for those who already have the scanner (I am thinking to purchase a Nikon LS 4000 or LS 5000) how is the scanning process. the LS5000 isn't currently supported by sane. If I say I have 50 pictures to scan, how do you handle the scanning process? Is it possible to scan x number of pictures, holding them in memory and then save them to the disk all at once or do I have to scan and save, scan and save? You'll probably want to write a script/program that scans an image and saves it to disk while the next one scans. That way, you don't need gigs of memory but the scanner need not wait for the disk, nor the other way around. An image scanned with the LS5000 would probably approach 60megs or so. I am trying to understand what is that I will be faced with. I am also trying to figure out how much time it will take for me to scan pictures, and am trying to figure out how to standardize the process of manually scanning all these pictures. In what format are they? slides? negatives? I know that scanning time depends on the depth of the scanned picture. But is there a table that shows based on the depth of color and bits what is the time needed for the device to scan and save? There's a table here: http://filmscanner.info/NikonSuperCoolscan5000ED.html Scroll down all the way to the bottom, then up until you hit the tables. Just a few things: 'ohne' = without, 'mit' = with, 'Bild'=picture, 'Bilder'=pictures, 'Stunde' = hour, 'Dia' = slide, 'Stapel'=batch, 'Vorschau'=preview, 'Einzel'=single, 'Belichtung'=exposure. (Now you should be able to understand the tables) johannes
