Re: Can we have Thunderbird Plug in
Am 26.09.2011 10:27, schrieb FANTASIA INC.: Dear Sir, Can we have Pidgin Plug in / Addons for Thunderbird Plug in. What should such a plugin shall do? Cheers, Frank ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Can we?
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:22 AM, David Woolleyfor...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote: Mark Doliner wrote: Nope, 6 b) allows binary software to be distributed on a CD as long as it is accompanied by a written offer to either give people the source via CD or give people access to the source on a network server. No. It doesn't allow the network server option. Are we looking at the same 6 b? b) Convey the object code in, or embodied in, a physical product (including a physical distribution medium), accompanied by a written offer, valid for at least three years and valid for as long as you offer spare parts or customer support for that product model, to give anyone who possesses the object code either (1) a copy of the Corresponding Source for all the software in the product that is covered by this License, on a durable physical medium customarily used for software interchange, for a price no more than your reasonable cost of physically performing this conveying of source, or (2) access to copy the Corresponding Source from a network server at no charge. I really feel like part (2) states that it's ok to just give people access to the source on a network server. Or am I misreading this? -Mark ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Can we?
Mark Doliner wrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:22 AM, David Woolleyfor...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote: Mark Doliner wrote: Nope, 6 b) allows binary software to be distributed on a CD as long as it is accompanied by a written offer to either give people the source via CD or give people access to the source on a network server. No. It doesn't allow the network server option. Are we looking at the same 6 b? I was looking at the version you posted. The version you included this time is different and is closer to the GPLV2. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Can we?
Mark Doliner wrote: Nope, 6 b) allows binary software to be distributed on a CD as long as it is accompanied by a written offer to either give people the source via CD or give people access to the source on a network server. No. It doesn't allow the network server option. I think this is open to interpretation. The GPL only states that the source must be available through equivalent copying facilities. If they make their binary available via FTP and the source available via HTTP, that's good enough for me because I consider those two to be equivalent for this purpose. I believe the intent is to ensure that the person who received the binary is equally capable of receiving the source. The person may be behind a firewall that blocks one, but not the other. The technology they are using may be old (not a network case, but, for example, offering executables on CD, but sources on Bluray might be used to prevent effective supply of the source to some classes of user). Going the other way, the alternative technology might have become effectively obsolete for the normal user - they might even have the capability to use it, but simply not know how - given the questions asked on this list, that would be quite possible for Pidgin. It used to say on a medium customarily used for software distribution, but nowadays it would be easy to choose such a medium that would be effectively inaccessible to many people who might benefit from the source, even if 9 track, half inch, tape is no longer customearily used. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Can we?
Mark Doliner wrote: Yeah that should be totally fine. Pidgin is licensed under the GPL, and is therefore free to distribute. If you make any modifications you're obligated to offer the source code to those modifications to anyone who you've offered the binary. I don't believe that they have to modify the code to come under that obligation. Section 3 applies to executables distributed under both section 1 and section 2. They would be strongly advised to include the source code on the CD, as that fulfills their obligation with no further hassle. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Can we?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:08 PM, David Woolleyfor...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote: Mark Doliner wrote: Yeah that should be totally fine. Pidgin is licensed under the GPL, and is therefore free to distribute. If you make any modifications you're obligated to offer the source code to those modifications to anyone who you've offered the binary. I don't believe that they have to modify the code to come under that obligation. Section 3 applies to executables distributed under both section 1 and section 2. I feel like this part of the GPL is a little vague. Relevant excerpt from GPLv3, section 6d: You are allowed to distribute the binary provided you offer equivalent access to the Corresponding Source in the same way through the same place at no further charge. ... If the place to copy the object code is a network server, the Corresponding Source may be on a different server (operated by you or a third party) that supports equivalent copying facilities, provided you maintain clear directions next to the object code saying where to find the Corresponding Source. Regardless of what server hosts the Corresponding Source, you remain obligated to ensure that it is available for as long as needed to satisfy these requirements. My interpretation is that it's fine for them to distribute an unmodified binary as long as they tell people you can get the source from http://pidgin.im/; And I'm personally ok with that. -Mark ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Can we?
Mark Doliner wrote: I feel like this part of the GPL is a little vague. Relevant excerpt from GPLv3, section 6d: You are allowed to distribute the binary provided you offer equivalent access to the Corresponding Source in the same way through the same place at no further charge. ... If the place to copy the That seems stronger than V2 for non-network access. As they are providing it on CD, it seems to require that they provide the source on CD, free, which makes it even more important that they include it with the original CD. object code is a network server, the Corresponding Source may be on a different server (operated by you or a third party) that supports This only applies to network access. equivalent copying facilities, provided you maintain clear directions next to the object code saying where to find the Corresponding Source. Regardless of what server hosts the Corresponding Source, you remain obligated to ensure that it is available for as long as needed to satisfy these requirements. I don't know about Pidgin, but this can be tricky for some software, as the original site will often remove the source as soon as the mandatory availability period is over. My interpretation is that it's fine for them to distribute an unmodified binary as long as they tell people you can get the source from http://pidgin.im/; And I'm personally ok with that. And they only distribute it using HTTP. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Can we?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:19 PM, David Woolleyfor...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote: Mark Doliner wrote: I feel like this part of the GPL is a little vague. Relevant excerpt from GPLv3, section 6d: You are allowed to distribute the binary provided you offer equivalent access to the Corresponding Source in the same way through the same place at no further charge. ... If the place to copy the That seems stronger than V2 for non-network access. As they are providing it on CD, it seems to require that they provide the source on CD, free, which makes it even more important that they include it with the original CD. Nope, 6 b) allows binary software to be distributed on a CD as long as it is accompanied by a written offer to either give people the source via CD or give people access to the source on a network server. My interpretation is that it's fine for them to distribute an unmodified binary as long as they tell people you can get the source from http://pidgin.im/; And I'm personally ok with that. And they only distribute it using HTTP. I think this is open to interpretation. The GPL only states that the source must be available through equivalent copying facilities. If they make their binary available via FTP and the source available via HTTP, that's good enough for me because I consider those two to be equivalent for this purpose. -Mark ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
