Re: [swift-evolution] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

[Adrian Zubarev via swift-evolution]

Any update to this? I was hoping for a global announcement at WWDC to attract 
more folks to join the discussions, but this didn’t happen.



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Am 10. Februar 2017 um 07:11:34, Bouke Haarsma via swift-evolution 
(swift-evolution@swift.org) schrieb:

A big +1 for Discourse from me as well. I don't want to sign up to the  
mailing list and have mailbox overflow. I did have rules put in place  
to move the messages in a separate folder, but still the amount wasn't  
manageable. Furthermore reading the threads in Mail.app is a major pain  
as a result of different quotation styles used by various authors.

Currently I use gmane.org's nntp servers and the outdated Unison.app.  
However that app also doesn't support the various quotation styles,  
which doesn't help with following topics. I'd be very happy to use  
Discourse, as it allows me to opt-in to any discussion I'd like and  
start/stop e-mail notifications as I see fit. Also Github Issues would  
allow me to do that, but I can see the benefits Discourse would  
provide; e.g. better moderation, pinning topics for recurring topics  
and ownership of the forum's data (threads).

-Bouke


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Re: [swift-evolution] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

[Bouke Haarsma via swift-evolution]

A big +1 for Discourse from me as well. I don't want to sign up to the 
mailing list and have mailbox overflow. I did have rules put in place 
to move the messages in a separate folder, but still the amount wasn't 
manageable. Furthermore reading the threads in Mail.app is a major pain 
as a result of different quotation styles used by various authors.


Currently I use gmane.org's nntp servers and the outdated Unison.app. 
However that app also doesn't support the various quotation styles, 
which doesn't help with following topics. I'd be very happy to use 
Discourse, as it allows me to opt-in to any discussion I'd like and 
start/stop e-mail notifications as I see fit. Also Github Issues would 
allow me to do that, but I can see the benefits Discourse would 
provide; e.g. better moderation, pinning topics for recurring topics 
and ownership of the forum's data (threads).


-Bouke


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Re: [swift-evolution] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

[David Hart via swift-evolution]

Hi Ted,

Thanks so much for taking time to discuss this with the team. I feel very 
confident this is going to be a big plus for the community :)

David

> On 9 Feb 2017, at 01:03, Ted kremenek via swift-evolution 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> There was a long thread on swift-evolution about whether we should use modern 
> forum software — like Discourse — as an alternative to the mailing lists we 
> have now.  After a long discussion, the Core Team has decided to move 
> swift-evolution and swift-users to Discourse.
> 
> There are tradeoffs to moving to a forum.  The main advantages are:
> 
> - Easy for people to participate without subscribing to the entire mailing 
> list, as well as no need to provide email address to participate.  A lot of 
> people have voiced concern that they feel resistance to participate because 
> of needing to subscribe to a mailing list.
> 
> - Consistent affordances and rendering of content, including Markdown 
> support.  This is really useful for having technical discussions.
> 
> - Better searching of topics, archiving, etc.
> 
> - More tools for moderation.
> 
> - Topic cross-referencing, and consistent organization of topics instead of 
> whatever threading support a mail client provides (which is inconsistent).
> 
> I also want to consider moving the -dev lists to the same forum setup as 
> well; but that will be a separate conversation on those lists.
> 
> A rollout plan has not been figured out.  People are busy and there are 
> logistics to figure out.  I will be engaging a handful of members from the 
> community to help with the transition.  Specifically, there are those who 
> really value using email for participation on swift-evolution and 
> swift-users, and the goal is to get the forum setup to allow those people to 
> continue to feel effective when using email for discussions on these "lists".
> 
> More details will be announced as they get figured out, but I felt it was 
> important to let the community know about this direction.
> 
> Ted
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [swift-evolution] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

[Ted kremenek via swift-evolution]

There will be discussions about each of the mailing lists on whether or not to 
move to Discourse.  My preference is that all of the mailing lists move, but 
the needs of the different lists are slightly different and I didn't want to 
gate moving swift-evolution to a forum based on the outcome of those 
discussions.  It is clear there is a real need that is solved by moving 
swift-evolution to a forum, and I want to get that moving.  As it is, this will 
take some effort to make happen, and likely by that point we'll have settled 
what to do with the other mailing lists.

> On Feb 8, 2017, at 9:50 PM, Muse M via swift-evolution 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't see any discussions to have Swift Server Side shift to Discourse 
> forum too?
> 
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2017, James Hillhouse via swift-evolution 
>>  wrote:
>> I'll echo Nick and Joshua–thanks Swift Core team for taking the time to 
>> decide on this change.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> > On Feb 8, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Rick Mann via swift-evolution 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > I second this praise. FWIW, I recently installed Discourse using a 
>> > DigitalOcean droplet, and it couldn't have been easier. Upgrades are 
>> > surprisingly easy, too.
>> >
>> > I have yet to figure out the email integration; I hope you can get that 
>> > working.
>> >
>> > I also hope you give some effort to improving on the default Discourse 
>> > look. It's not bad, but I feel like it doesn't do a good job of 
>> > delineating functional areas on the page. Having said that, I'm more than 
>> > happy to wait indefinitely for such an improvement; it's not worth holding 
>> > up the roll-out.
>> >
>> > Thanks again!
>> >
>> >> On Feb 8, 2017, at 19:34 , Joshua Alvarado via swift-evolution 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >> This is an awesome decision and a huge enhancement for the Swift 
>> >> community. Thanks (Core Team) for taking the time to entertain the 
>> >> discussion and move forward with what many community members have wanted.
>> >>
>> >> Alvarado, Joshua
>> >>
>> >>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Ted kremenek via swift-evolution 
>> >>>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi everyone,
>> >>>
>> >>> There was a long thread on swift-evolution about whether we should use 
>> >>> modern forum software — like Discourse — as an alternative to the 
>> >>> mailing lists we have now.  After a long discussion, the Core Team has 
>> >>> decided to move swift-evolution and swift-users to Discourse.
>> >>>
>> >>> There are tradeoffs to moving to a forum.  The main advantages are:
>> >>>
>> >>> - Easy for people to participate without subscribing to the entire 
>> >>> mailing list, as well as no need to provide email address to 
>> >>> participate.  A lot of people have voiced concern that they feel 
>> >>> resistance to participate because of needing to subscribe to a mailing 
>> >>> list.
>> >>>
>> >>> - Consistent affordances and rendering of content, including Markdown 
>> >>> support.  This is really useful for having technical discussions.
>> >>>
>> >>> - Better searching of topics, archiving, etc.
>> >>>
>> >>> - More tools for moderation.
>> >>>
>> >>> - Topic cross-referencing, and consistent organization of topics instead 
>> >>> of whatever threading support a mail client provides (which is 
>> >>> inconsistent).
>> >>>
>> >>> I also want to consider moving the -dev lists to the same forum setup as 
>> >>> well; but that will be a separate conversation on those lists.
>> >>>
>> >>> A rollout plan has not been figured out.  People are busy and there are 
>> >>> logistics to figure out.  I will be engaging a handful of members from 
>> >>> the community to help with the transition.  Specifically, there are 
>> >>> those who really value using email for participation on swift-evolution 
>> >>> and swift-users, and the goal is to get the forum setup to allow those 
>> >>> people to continue to feel effective when using email for discussions on 
>> >>> these "lists".
>> >>>
>> >>> More details will be announced as they get figured out, but I felt it 
>> >>> was important to let the community know about this direction.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ted
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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Re: [swift-evolution] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

[Muse M via swift-evolution]

I don't see any discussions to have Swift Server Side shift to Discourse
forum too?

On Thursday, February 9, 2017, James Hillhouse via swift-evolution <
swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:

> I'll echo Nick and Joshua–thanks Swift Core team for taking the time to
> decide on this change.
>
> Jim
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Rick Mann via swift-evolution <
> swift-evolution@swift.org > wrote:
> >
> > I second this praise. FWIW, I recently installed Discourse using a
> DigitalOcean droplet, and it couldn't have been easier. Upgrades are
> surprisingly easy, too.
> >
> > I have yet to figure out the email integration; I hope you can get that
> working.
> >
> > I also hope you give some effort to improving on the default Discourse
> look. It's not bad, but I feel like it doesn't do a good job of delineating
> functional areas on the page. Having said that, I'm more than happy to wait
> indefinitely for such an improvement; it's not worth holding up the
> roll-out.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> >> On Feb 8, 2017, at 19:34 , Joshua Alvarado via swift-evolution <
> swift-evolution@swift.org > wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >> This is an awesome decision and a huge enhancement for the Swift
> community. Thanks (Core Team) for taking the time to entertain the
> discussion and move forward with what many community members have wanted.
> >>
> >> Alvarado, Joshua
> >>
> >>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Ted kremenek via swift-evolution <
> swift-evolution@swift.org > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> There was a long thread on swift-evolution about whether we should use
> modern forum software — like Discourse — as an alternative to the mailing
> lists we have now.  After a long discussion, the Core Team has decided to
> move swift-evolution and swift-users to Discourse.
> >>>
> >>> There are tradeoffs to moving to a forum.  The main advantages are:
> >>>
> >>> - Easy for people to participate without subscribing to the entire
> mailing list, as well as no need to provide email address to participate.
> A lot of people have voiced concern that they feel resistance to
> participate because of needing to subscribe to a mailing list.
> >>>
> >>> - Consistent affordances and rendering of content, including Markdown
> support.  This is really useful for having technical discussions.
> >>>
> >>> - Better searching of topics, archiving, etc.
> >>>
> >>> - More tools for moderation.
> >>>
> >>> - Topic cross-referencing, and consistent organization of topics
> instead of whatever threading support a mail client provides (which is
> inconsistent).
> >>>
> >>> I also want to consider moving the -dev lists to the same forum setup
> as well; but that will be a separate conversation on those lists.
> >>>
> >>> A rollout plan has not been figured out.  People are busy and there
> are logistics to figure out.  I will be engaging a handful of members from
> the community to help with the transition.  Specifically, there are those
> who really value using email for participation on swift-evolution and
> swift-users, and the goal is to get the forum setup to allow those people
> to continue to feel effective when using email for discussions on these
> "lists".
> >>>
> >>> More details will be announced as they get figured out, but I felt it
> was important to let the community know about this direction.
> >>>
> >>> Ted
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ___
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Re: [swift-evolution] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

[James Hillhouse via swift-evolution]

I'll echo Nick and Joshua–thanks Swift Core team for taking the time to decide 
on this change. 

Jim


> On Feb 8, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Rick Mann via swift-evolution 
>  wrote:
> 
> I second this praise. FWIW, I recently installed Discourse using a 
> DigitalOcean droplet, and it couldn't have been easier. Upgrades are 
> surprisingly easy, too.
> 
> I have yet to figure out the email integration; I hope you can get that 
> working.
> 
> I also hope you give some effort to improving on the default Discourse look. 
> It's not bad, but I feel like it doesn't do a good job of delineating 
> functional areas on the page. Having said that, I'm more than happy to wait 
> indefinitely for such an improvement; it's not worth holding up the roll-out.
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 19:34 , Joshua Alvarado via swift-evolution 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This is an awesome decision and a huge enhancement for the Swift community. 
>> Thanks (Core Team) for taking the time to entertain the discussion and move 
>> forward with what many community members have wanted. 
>> 
>> Alvarado, Joshua
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Ted kremenek via swift-evolution 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> There was a long thread on swift-evolution about whether we should use 
>>> modern forum software — like Discourse — as an alternative to the mailing 
>>> lists we have now.  After a long discussion, the Core Team has decided to 
>>> move swift-evolution and swift-users to Discourse.
>>> 
>>> There are tradeoffs to moving to a forum.  The main advantages are:
>>> 
>>> - Easy for people to participate without subscribing to the entire mailing 
>>> list, as well as no need to provide email address to participate.  A lot of 
>>> people have voiced concern that they feel resistance to participate because 
>>> of needing to subscribe to a mailing list.
>>> 
>>> - Consistent affordances and rendering of content, including Markdown 
>>> support.  This is really useful for having technical discussions.
>>> 
>>> - Better searching of topics, archiving, etc.
>>> 
>>> - More tools for moderation.
>>> 
>>> - Topic cross-referencing, and consistent organization of topics instead of 
>>> whatever threading support a mail client provides (which is inconsistent).
>>> 
>>> I also want to consider moving the -dev lists to the same forum setup as 
>>> well; but that will be a separate conversation on those lists.
>>> 
>>> A rollout plan has not been figured out.  People are busy and there are 
>>> logistics to figure out.  I will be engaging a handful of members from the 
>>> community to help with the transition.  Specifically, there are those who 
>>> really value using email for participation on swift-evolution and 
>>> swift-users, and the goal is to get the forum setup to allow those people 
>>> to continue to feel effective when using email for discussions on these 
>>> "lists".
>>> 
>>> More details will be announced as they get figured out, but I felt it was 
>>> important to let the community know about this direction.
>>> 
>>> Ted
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [swift-evolution] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

[Rick Mann via swift-evolution]

I second this praise. FWIW, I recently installed Discourse using a DigitalOcean 
droplet, and it couldn't have been easier. Upgrades are surprisingly easy, too.

I have yet to figure out the email integration; I hope you can get that working.

I also hope you give some effort to improving on the default Discourse look. 
It's not bad, but I feel like it doesn't do a good job of delineating 
functional areas on the page. Having said that, I'm more than happy to wait 
indefinitely for such an improvement; it's not worth holding up the roll-out.

Thanks again!

> On Feb 8, 2017, at 19:34 , Joshua Alvarado via swift-evolution 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is an awesome decision and a huge enhancement for the Swift community. 
> Thanks (Core Team) for taking the time to entertain the discussion and move 
> forward with what many community members have wanted. 
> 
> Alvarado, Joshua
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Ted kremenek via swift-evolution 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> There was a long thread on swift-evolution about whether we should use 
>> modern forum software — like Discourse — as an alternative to the mailing 
>> lists we have now.  After a long discussion, the Core Team has decided to 
>> move swift-evolution and swift-users to Discourse.
>> 
>> There are tradeoffs to moving to a forum.  The main advantages are:
>> 
>> - Easy for people to participate without subscribing to the entire mailing 
>> list, as well as no need to provide email address to participate.  A lot of 
>> people have voiced concern that they feel resistance to participate because 
>> of needing to subscribe to a mailing list.
>> 
>> - Consistent affordances and rendering of content, including Markdown 
>> support.  This is really useful for having technical discussions.
>> 
>> - Better searching of topics, archiving, etc.
>> 
>> - More tools for moderation.
>> 
>> - Topic cross-referencing, and consistent organization of topics instead of 
>> whatever threading support a mail client provides (which is inconsistent).
>> 
>> I also want to consider moving the -dev lists to the same forum setup as 
>> well; but that will be a separate conversation on those lists.
>> 
>> A rollout plan has not been figured out.  People are busy and there are 
>> logistics to figure out.  I will be engaging a handful of members from the 
>> community to help with the transition.  Specifically, there are those who 
>> really value using email for participation on swift-evolution and 
>> swift-users, and the goal is to get the forum setup to allow those people to 
>> continue to feel effective when using email for discussions on these "lists".
>> 
>> More details will be announced as they get figured out, but I felt it was 
>> important to let the community know about this direction.
>> 
>> Ted
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [swift-evolution] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

[Joshua Alvarado via swift-evolution]


This is an awesome decision and a huge enhancement for the Swift community. 
Thanks (Core Team) for taking the time to entertain the discussion and move 
forward with what many community members have wanted. 

Alvarado, Joshua

> On Feb 8, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Ted kremenek via swift-evolution 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> There was a long thread on swift-evolution about whether we should use modern 
> forum software — like Discourse — as an alternative to the mailing lists we 
> have now.  After a long discussion, the Core Team has decided to move 
> swift-evolution and swift-users to Discourse.
> 
> There are tradeoffs to moving to a forum.  The main advantages are:
> 
> - Easy for people to participate without subscribing to the entire mailing 
> list, as well as no need to provide email address to participate.  A lot of 
> people have voiced concern that they feel resistance to participate because 
> of needing to subscribe to a mailing list.
> 
> - Consistent affordances and rendering of content, including Markdown 
> support.  This is really useful for having technical discussions.
> 
> - Better searching of topics, archiving, etc.
> 
> - More tools for moderation.
> 
> - Topic cross-referencing, and consistent organization of topics instead of 
> whatever threading support a mail client provides (which is inconsistent).
> 
> I also want to consider moving the -dev lists to the same forum setup as 
> well; but that will be a separate conversation on those lists.
> 
> A rollout plan has not been figured out.  People are busy and there are 
> logistics to figure out.  I will be engaging a handful of members from the 
> community to help with the transition.  Specifically, there are those who 
> really value using email for participation on swift-evolution and 
> swift-users, and the goal is to get the forum setup to allow those people to 
> continue to feel effective when using email for discussions on these "lists".
> 
> More details will be announced as they get figured out, but I felt it was 
> important to let the community know about this direction.
> 
> Ted
> 
> 
> 
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[swift-evolution] Plan to move swift-evolution and swift-users mailing lists to Discourse

[Ted kremenek via swift-evolution]

Hi everyone,

There was a long thread on swift-evolution about whether we should use modern 
forum software — like Discourse — as an alternative to the mailing lists we 
have now.  After a long discussion, the Core Team has decided to move 
swift-evolution and swift-users to Discourse.

There are tradeoffs to moving to a forum.  The main advantages are:

- Easy for people to participate without subscribing to the entire mailing 
list, as well as no need to provide email address to participate.  A lot of 
people have voiced concern that they feel resistance to participate because of 
needing to subscribe to a mailing list.

- Consistent affordances and rendering of content, including Markdown support.  
This is really useful for having technical discussions.

- Better searching of topics, archiving, etc.

- More tools for moderation.

- Topic cross-referencing, and consistent organization of topics instead of 
whatever threading support a mail client provides (which is inconsistent).

I also want to consider moving the -dev lists to the same forum setup as well; 
but that will be a separate conversation on those lists.

A rollout plan has not been figured out.  People are busy and there are 
logistics to figure out.  I will be engaging a handful of members from the 
community to help with the transition.  Specifically, there are those who 
really value using email for participation on swift-evolution and swift-users, 
and the goal is to get the forum setup to allow those people to continue to 
feel effective when using email for discussions on these "lists".

More details will be announced as they get figured out, but I felt it was 
important to let the community know about this direction.

Ted




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