Re: [Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-10-09 Thread Renaud OLGIATI
On Wednesday 08 October 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive
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 Anyone have a pointer to mandriva's patch or package that implements
 this?

From my experience installing Mandrake/Mandriva over the last ten years,, the 
install process looks for a mouse, and if it does not find one it then offers 
you the coice of a serial mouse, and opens a window asking you to choose a 
tty port, followed by a test window where you can test if the mouse works and 
clicks properly, exit, or return to the preceeding screen to try another tty.
 
Cheers,
 
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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-10-09 Thread Timo Aaltonen
that wouldn't work in ubuntu, since the main installer is ubiquity,
which runs on top of X. Maybe this bug belongs to casper then..

ps. I'm amazed that people still miss serial mice.. surely those can't
be bought as new anymore?

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-10-08 Thread Bryce Harrington
Anyone have a pointer to mandriva's patch or package that implements
this?

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-08-20 Thread Tom Arnold
I am all for Rons solution. Can we rip that from mandriva somehow?

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-08-17 Thread Ian Gilfillan
Bug still present in Hardy, as reported above.

Got the mouse working with
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto and some trivial
changes. which I've added to the document.

A solution such as what other distros use, as suggested by Ron above,
would be more than sufficient.

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-06-22 Thread Andrew Pam
* Other distros detect serial mice
* It's OK to ask the user for input
* Has anyone looked at Please move your mouse while read-only probing serial 
ports?
* If there is hardware that gets permanently damaged from probing, it's the 
responsibility of maintainers for the drivers for that hardware and/or the 
manufacturers and/or owners to provide information about how to avoid the 
problem.

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Re: [Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-06-22 Thread Renaud OLGIATI
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 * Other distros detect serial mice

Would not go as far as saying detect.

But in Mandrake/Mandriva in tha abscence of a PS2 or USB mouse a window opens 
inquiring about your mouse, what com port it is on, and then offers a test 
window so you can check that the parameters entered work.
 
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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-06-21 Thread Tom Arnold
Confirmed for Ubuntu and Xubuntu 8.04

Yay for _four_ years old bugs that have NOT been fixed! ;)

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-06-21 Thread Tom Arnold
Other distros can do it just fine since 1996 .. how about:

If no PS/2 , USB etc mouse is found just assume that there is a serial
mouse attached and configure X accordingly.

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-06-21 Thread Tom Arnold
Additional info:

It is not detected in installer, live-CD and installation.

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-06-21 Thread Oliver Grawert
sorry, that should have read 
if you know a way ...  
instead of 
if there is no way ...

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-06-21 Thread Oliver Grawert
There is no way to get information about attached serial mice on the serial 
port by HW design, 
if someone has any idea or suggestion how to query serial ports in an effective 
way to fix this (whithout trashing (and i mean trashing like you can throw it 
away) other attached serial HW by sending commads to the port), 

feel free to reopen and suggest a way to detect serial mice please if
there is no way to get any info about these devices

since there are many complaints about this bug being still open i close
it now as  it is unsolvable by design of the involved HW, please
configure inputattach manually if you want to use serial mice in X.

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-06-21 Thread Oliver Grawert
thats easy, but how would you determine the needed protocol (there are
plenty) without quering the port and make sure you dont trash the $1000
serial braille terminal attached to ttyS0 then ?

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Re: [Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-06-21 Thread Renaud OLGIATI
On Saturday 21 June 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive
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 There is no way to get information about attached serial mice on the serial
 port by HW design,

Maybe have a look at how the Mandriva people do it ?

Serial mouse have installed/worked without problem since I first tried 
Mandrake6.1 IIRC.
 
Cheers,
 
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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-06-21 Thread Tom Arnold
Hmm, I don't know.
I guess I would do it like Windows95 and just use Standard Serial Mouse 
protocol. That should make most people happy ( like 99 % .. like the ones that 
complain a lot :P  ).  People do not exspect Ubuntu to work with every obscure 
hardware ( well some probably do ) but it should work with hardware that 
Windows works with out of the box ( which isn't that much .. actually it is 
very little  ).
If that is a no go for you how about low tech solution .. have a configure 
dialog pop up and ask people what kind of mouse they have.
Or maybe a high tech solution ( not sure this is possible .. I am brainstroming 
:)  ) .. analyse the signals you receive from the serial ports and guess the 
protocol.

Marking this as wontfix is not the right solution though IMHO.

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-06-21 Thread Alwin Garside
I think Tom Arnold's idea would do the trick.
And as Renaud OLGIATI said it's probably also a good idea to take a look how 
other distro's solve the problem.

We don't need to query the Serial Port to know _exactly_ what kind of
Serial Mouse we're using. If we could at least discover that the user is
using *any* serial mouse that will solve 99% of the cases.

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Re: [Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-06-21 Thread Renaud OLGIATI
On Saturday 21 June 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from Tom Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] who wrote:

 If that is a no go for you how about low tech solution .. have a configure
 dialog pop up and ask people what kind of mouse they have.

Or a mite more hi-tech: have the preceeding pop-up dialog only if the install 
does not identify any mouse ?
And complete it with a mouse-testing screen so the user can check he inputed 
the right com port ?
 
Cheers,
 
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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-06-16 Thread Ernest Stefan-Matyus
It's still a problem in 8.04 my solution is the folowing:
in  /etc/X11/xorg.conf make sure you have the folowing section:

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Configured Mouse
Driver  mouse
Option  CorePointer
Option  Device/dev/ttyS0
Option  Protocol  auto
EndSection

if /dev/ttyS0 does not work try ttyS1

You know for a operating system as serious as ubuntu a 4 year bug like
this doesn't realy look good

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-06-16 Thread Alwin Garside
I confirmed this bug in Ubuntu Hardy

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-05-19 Thread Alwin Garside
AFAIK this bug still affects Hardy, I'm going to test it this weekend
when I'll install Ubuntu on a PC which I know only uses a serial mouse.
Depending on the results I'll confirm or close this bug.

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-05-18 Thread Timo Aaltonen
Closing the bug since there has been no replies since January. If you
still see the bug with 8.04, feel free to reopen.

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Re: [Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-05-18 Thread Renaud OLGIATI
On Sunday 18 May 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive
 from Timo Aaltonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] who wrote:

 Closing the bug since there has been no replies since January. If you
 still see the bug with 8.04, feel free to reopen.

 ** Changed in: xorg (Ubuntu)
Status: Incomplete = Invalid

No problem here, this bug (and a few other things) annoyed me so much I 
returned to Mandriva a long time ago.
 
Cheers,
 
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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-02-14 Thread Leann Ogasawara
** Tags added: qa-hardy-platform

** Tags removed: qa-hardy-list

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2008-01-12 Thread Timo Aaltonen
Please try with Hardy livecd if you can reproduce the issue. It doesn't
force the Device or Protocol anymore.

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2007-12-20 Thread Henrik Nilsen Omma
** Tags added: qa-hardy-list

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2007-08-04 Thread NorthCS
Mouse is Serial Genius Easy Mouse with 3 button.

mdetect:
---
/dev/psaux
intellimouse
---

mdetect -vvv 2/dev/null:
---
The mouse police never sleep.
Read 2 chars from /dev/ttyS3: *q
Read 4 chars from /dev/ttyS0: \030\036\000\015
/dev/psaux sending intellimouse init sequence.
Read 1 chars from /dev/psaux: \372
/dev/psaux querying PS/2 ID.
Read 2 chars from /dev/psaux: \372\003
/dev/psaux says it's a intellimouse mouse
Found the following devices:
   /dev/psaux
   /dev/ttyS0
   /dev/ttyS3
   /dev/input/mouse0

Detected intellimouse mouse on /dev/psaux
---
I have PS/2 port without mouse
Internal serial Dial-Up modem as ttyS3
and Serial Mouse on ttyS0

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2007-08-03 Thread NorthCS
I boot to Ubuntu 7.04 (this problem also present in 6.06) LiveCD, and
have in /etc/X11/xorg.conf:

Option  Device/dev/input/mice
Option  Protocol  ImPS/2

I change this to:

Option  Device/dev/ttyS0
Option  Protocol  MouseSystems

...for mouse work.

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2007-08-03 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
NorthCS,
Please provide the information described here 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-February/015020.html in 
this bug report.

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2007-08-01 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
The Ubuntu team would love to provide full autodetection for such legacy
hardware. To implement this, we need some more data how many mice are
really detectable and which brand/model they are.

If you have a serial mouse and want to help, please follow the step
described here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-
devel/2006-February/015020.html

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2007-05-18 Thread Rolf Leggewie
yes, it helped, piotr.  Thank you.

This is still an issue for me. As nathanbriggs said, mdetect reports
incorrect values if it has to guess.

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2007-04-29 Thread piotrko
Serial mouse can work in xubuntu 7.04 !!! I also couldn't make it work
for years :] on my old PC, but this time I did it :)

I'm just showing what helped for me. Read on and get your own
conclusions.

I had a serial mouse, inserted directly to a COM. The problem was not
only about X. cat /dev/ttyS0 didn't work.

I can't recall exact steps, but the command inputattach was essential. I
did it in somehow ugly way, something like this... (case study):

1. Install xubuntu, logged into X (normally) - mouse doesn't work yet.
2. Switched to virtual console and log as root (i. e. Ctrl-Alt-F1).
Note: There is no root account explicitly given to you in (x)ubuntu. I made it 
this (ugly?) way by changing root's password using sudo:
2.1. Log in as the ordinary user (suppose his login is johnny)
2.2. Change root's password:
 Type:  sudo passwd
 (type johnnyspasswd - sudo needs this)
 (set new rootpasswd)
 (confirm rootpasswd)
2.3 Log in as root with the new rootpasswd
3. Kill gdm. 
To see gdm's PID, you can type:  pstree -p |grep gdm. (the leftmost gdm! You'll 
see two on the output)
4. Typing:
cat /dev/ttyS0   
and moving mouse makes no output. (press Ctrl-C after testing)
(also type cat /dev/ttyS1 if you're not sure which COM you are using)
5. Type:
inputattach -bare /dev/ttyS0
(you may need to change -bare to other protocol; inputattach --help gives a 
list of them)
This command also locks screen (should it?), so make a few movements with the 
mouse and press Ctrl-C.
6. Type again:
cat /dev/ttyS0.
If you see strange characters-junk on the screen while moving your mouse, 
you're a happy person!
Press Ctrl-C, type: reset (to clear the screen, if you can't see normal 
letters) and... what's left to do is to configure mouse in X.

Sorry for such a bloated post, but I prefered to write too much than to
less.

Hope it helps someone. Cheers.

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2007-03-27 Thread Agafonov
Installing 7.04-beta (alternative, text-mode installation) onto system
equipped with serial mouse.

After initial reboot mouse is not function.

Things not changed, may the installer ask me if I have serial mouse? It
asks me for a less important information many times...

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2007-01-04 Thread Miłosz Kosobucki
Gosh, the bug is opened for more than two years :/

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2006-12-01 Thread Renaud OLGIATI
The people at Knoppix seem to have worked it out, my Knoppix live CD has
a working serial mouse. straight out of the box.

Maybe we should ask them ?

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2006-11-03 Thread Javier Jardón
Problem persist in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy)

I make a fresh install and the serial mouse not works :-(

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2006-09-27 Thread nathanbriggs
to follow up, I eventually got this working by running
mdetect -v
I discovered that if mdetect finds nothing it defaults to intellimouse on psaux 
(on my mobo ymmv)
replacing the mouse then gave me the output
/dev/ttyS0
microsoft
which can be used to edit (copy old version first I ended up with no x at all 
once)
/etc/X11/xorg.conf
hopefully this will help someone else
PS mdetect is now in dapper 6.06

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2006-09-25 Thread nathanbriggs
ubuntu 6.06 tried both fixes
input attach --microsoft /dev/ttys1
gives 
Inputattach: input/output error
and modifying xorg.conf as above makes my x session hang
I think calling this bug low priority a little harsh and agree the best option 
would be an on install if no ps2/usb mouse detected, do you want to configure 
a serial mouse now ? option

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2006-09-13 Thread infinite
I just installed Kubuntu 6.06  on a dual pentium pro 200mhz box.
I'm having the same problem with the serial mouse - used the input attach 
method but says input/output error.
Any ideas of what could be wrong?

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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2006-09-10 Thread paritosh.aggarwal
I tried using the inputattach method.

I have a logitech 3 button serial mouse so I found the appropritate
protocol(--mouseman)

I typed the command

sudo inputattach --mouseman /dev/tty50

and it just freezes.

If i try without sudo, it says permission denied.
and by the way, is it tty50 or ttySO because it says file not found with SO

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[Bug 9068] Re: [Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2006-09-10 Thread Andrew Pam
On Sun, 2006-09-10 at 13:24 +, paritosh.aggarwal wrote:
 sudo inputattach --mouseman /dev/tty50
 
 and it just freezes.
 
 If i try without sudo, it says permission denied.
 and by the way, is it tty50 or ttySO because it says file not found with SO

Neither.  It's ttyS0 (Ess Zero).  You'll see it in your /dev directory.

Hope that helps,
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[Bug 9068] Re: Serial mice are not autodetected

2006-07-22 Thread Witold Bołt
Well as I see it's quite an old bug, so I just want to say that today I
wanted to try out my brand new, cool looking (sent from Canonical)
Ubuntu 6.06 LTS CD ... I put it in, boot the system - I see the desktop
and that's it - since my old Logitech serial mouse is NOT working, I'm
not able to use the system. Ok. I'm quite advanced Linux user - I know
that I can edit xorg.conf, or use some other console tools to configure
the mouse. It's not so difficult - and I did it many times in old
Slackwares;) But hey ... my Windows XP made no problems with that mouse
- it just worked.

I think such small elements make the big picture of the whole system.
Why Joe User doesn't like Linux? Mayby becouse he still (after so many
years of development) needs to grab the console and cast some magic
spells to make his mouse just work.

Anyway Ubunut is a greate distro ... ;) and I use it on couple of
machines.

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