Re: Just wasted an entire day of my life with Linux, again!
To all, you already made the mistake when you decided to use computers. BR, Jouni
Re: Just wasted an entire day of my life with Linux, again!
Totally agree. Matthias - Original Message - From: Jouni Hätinen jouni.hati...@iki.fi To: user-list user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Just wasted an entire day of my life with Linux, again! To all, you already made the mistake when you decided to use computers. BR, Jouni
Re: Just wasted an entire day of my life with Linux, again!
Ok, so linux is not ready for home yet, so what? Since Ubuntu has implemented all the stupid functions of Windows and Is looking more and more like Windows each days. What's the point other than the price? You get what you pay for!! 1. Pay nothing and you get nothing -(Linux as free download ISO DVDs) 2. Pay a little get a little - (Linux shipped with paid support/subscription) 3. Pay more get more - (buy at least in BEST BUY like I did with 600 on the table and get Win7 64bit 6GB RAM dedicated graphics with HD) or hir3 a LINuX gUy from MIT who kNoW$ all aBoUT h0w tHInGs w03k) @)(-|-)(@ and don't forget Read the Help pages of Realsoft that ship with the product If you don't know something or isn't clear: please feel free to use the Realsoft mailing list or the Realsoft Forum damn. wanted to ask a question . How do you extrude a face to make it smile again? extrude and apply subdivisions to it, if it still looks like a coffee mug stick it in a Blender on Linux Happy New 2010 for all REAL Realsoft guys (but only those who got Realsoft on Windows or Mac :)). hahaha!! -- From: Jean-Sebastien Perron j...@neuroworld.ws Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:41 AM To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: Re: Just wasted an entire day of my life with Linux, again! Ok, so linux is not ready for home yet, so what? Since Ubuntu has implemented all the stupid functions of Windows and Is looking more and more like Windows each days. What's the point other than the price? And I am talking about unrelated topics because when I asked about how to normalize an object in RS nobody answered my question. My knowledge and experience on Linux : -Used to be an expert in command lines 10 years ago -Developed applications for QNX (Realtime Unix with gcc and make) -Installed and configured Ubuntu Server for file sharing (no ui) -Installed and compiled many things on Ubuntu -I know a lot about how a Linux system works (I am not a master but I know enough) -I have put my entire family (3 computer) on Linux (and for the last 2 years, no problems) And if a guy like me is having a bad day with Linux, try to imagine a normal user. Contrary to windows, when Linux is working (hardware solved) everything will work forever ever (unless an update destroy everything). Tomorrow I will install again Linux all day long, because I can't stand the idea of going back to Windows. I am verry frustrated. Maybe someone was right mentioning that Ubuntu is not Linux. It's full of user interface that don't quite work. There is no privacy or file protection on Windows, Registry is a mess, configurations is also a mess. Windows made enemy with all the programmers and professionals by removing/not improving the command line. Command line is the most important thing to lower the price of software. I hate windows for making people complete computer retards with clicks everywhere. Windows users don't know where they are putting their stuff (picture, documents etc). What is unfair to Linux in comparing it to Windows is that normally windows is already installed and configured with all sorts of spyware straight from HP, Dell, IBM etc. While you have to install yourself Linux. Have you ever try to install the drivers for an HP computer? Have you ever try to figure what is the proper driver in the download list on their website? Linux may not be so bad compared to that. Anyway if you manage to make Linux work and install your software, using it is pure fun. Jean-Sebastien Perron www.NeuroWorld.ws
Re: Just wasted an entire day of my life with Linux, again!
On Wednesday 30 Dec 2009, Jouni Hätinen wrote: To all, you already made the mistake when you decided to use computers. BR, Jouni Lol :-)) LeeE
Re: Just wasted an entire day of my life with Linux, again!
it's you ignorant linux guys who are unwilling to listen support for linux is as crap as it can get hardware and software For most of the people a computer and an operating system is something mystical. That's the problem. They know how to switch a pc on and off and that's it. Concerning Linux, it actually works well out of the box. In most cases you don't even have to install any driver to get your hardware to work, in opposite to windows. But if something goes wrong, you either need - a bit of experience in Linux or - the willing to dive a bit deeper in your system Most Windows users lack of both. That's okay, but they shouldn't complain then. With Windows you can run into trouble as well. And in many cases the users are as overstrained as with Linux. This is the experience I've made. you guys can't always expect from the end user to know how to recompile the kernel to get things to work During all the years I use Linux I've never had to recompile the kernel. secondly: installing software mostly requires the average end user to compile the software themselves who never heard the word compile neither do most know the bare basics in Linux Wrong. All Linux distribution have something called a software management tool, containing thousands of software packages. This magic thing is superior compared to a Windows installer. You just search for the software you want to install, mark it with a mouse click and the system will do the rest. Inclusive resolving software dependencies etc. and there's no crappy registry which makes your system slower and slower after each install - uninstali process. With Windows all that chaos of chasing down library packages who mostly are incompatible across Linux versions etc is taken care of Again: software management tools will handle all that. I tried installing Realsoft on many different Linux versions it's back with Windows I tried to install RS on Linux as well. On SUSE and, later on, on Kubuntu. And it works without any problems. Strange ...? and guess what happened In Windows 7 the compatibility mode actually does work for me with Realsoft 5 so, neither for me Linux anymore until you guys come up with something really interesting to make me and others HAPPY LINUX users with POINT and CLICK Believe it or not, those mystical software management tools have a graphical user interface as well. So all you have to do is to - point and click. Most likely you just haven't found it. :) have a nice day Mr. Linux Yeah, the same to you Mr. Point-And-Click ;) -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3.5 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser
Re: Just wasted an entire day of my life with Linux, again!
I've beta tested Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit for one year and I can say with no doubt that is the best Windows, far far far far far better than XP. I'm a 3D artist, Maya user, and the Autodesk software (Maya) works just better than ever: it's faster, more stable and has no one of the graphic glitches that were on XP. I really don't know what problems you found on 7, for my experience it works just fine, it's great. ville.tirro...@saunalahti.fi wrote: Stay away from Windows 7 64bit!!!.
Re: Just wasted an entire day of my life with Linux, again!
all I can say is: I wish you Linux users all the best and may 2010 bring you new Command-line tools for Linux to play with. Meanwhile, I get very productive on my 64bit Windows 7 with Realsoft 3D via.POINT CLICK. Happy 2010 Happy Windows and Mac Users Happy 3D Happy Point And Click : : click click click : : -- From: akr.rz...@gmx.de Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:28 AM To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: Re: Just wasted an entire day of my life with Linux, again! it's you ignorant linux guys who are unwilling to listen support for linux is as crap as it can get hardware and software For most of the people a computer and an operating system is something mystical. That's the problem. They know how to switch a pc on and off and that's it. Concerning Linux, it actually works well out of the box. In most cases you don't even have to install any driver to get your hardware to work, in opposite to windows. But if something goes wrong, you either need - a bit of experience in Linux or - the willing to dive a bit deeper in your system Most Windows users lack of both. That's okay, but they shouldn't complain then. With Windows you can run into trouble as well. And in many cases the users are as overstrained as with Linux. This is the experience I've made. you guys can't always expect from the end user to know how to recompile the kernel to get things to work During all the years I use Linux I've never had to recompile the kernel. secondly: installing software mostly requires the average end user to compile the software themselves who never heard the word compile neither do most know the bare basics in Linux Wrong. All Linux distribution have something called a software management tool, containing thousands of software packages. This magic thing is superior compared to a Windows installer. You just search for the software you want to install, mark it with a mouse click and the system will do the rest. Inclusive resolving software dependencies etc. and there's no crappy registry which makes your system slower and slower after each install - uninstali process. With Windows all that chaos of chasing down library packages who mostly are incompatible across Linux versions etc is taken care of Again: software management tools will handle all that. I tried installing Realsoft on many different Linux versions it's back with Windows I tried to install RS on Linux as well. On SUSE and, later on, on Kubuntu. And it works without any problems. Strange ...? and guess what happened In Windows 7 the compatibility mode actually does work for me with Realsoft 5 so, neither for me Linux anymore until you guys come up with something really interesting to make me and others HAPPY LINUX users with POINT and CLICK Believe it or not, those mystical software management tools have a graphical user interface as well. So all you have to do is to - point and click. Most likely you just haven't found it. :) have a nice day Mr. Linux Yeah, the same to you Mr. Point-And-Click ;) -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3.5 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser
Re: Just wasted an entire day of my life with Linux, again!
THANK YOU!! I second that. Windows 7 rocks. -- From: Mauro Sanna manna.bers...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:05 AM To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: Re: Just wasted an entire day of my life with Linux, again! I've beta tested Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit for one year and I can say with no doubt that is the best Windows, far far far far far better than XP. I'm a 3D artist, Maya user, and the Autodesk software (Maya) works just better than ever: it's faster, more stable and has no one of the graphic glitches that were on XP. I really don't know what problems you found on 7, for my experience it works just fine, it's great. ville.tirro...@saunalahti.fi wrote: Stay away from Windows 7 64bit!!!.
Re: Is Realsoft the only real 3D solution on Linux?
I'll check them out -- I didn't know that Xara could do 16-bit images, and in all honesty I'd forgotten about Idruna entirely. :) Thanks :) - Rakesh Malik My Web Site: http://www.whitecranephotography.com Blog: http://tamerlin.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/baratheon Sent from Seattle, Washington, United States On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Matthias Kappenberg m...@the-dimension.com wrote: Hi Rakesh, my 5 Cents: http://www.xara.com/us/ The *PRO can import 16bit images. and: http://www.idruna.com/photogenicshdr.html (8,16,32bit) and (one of my favourite software-companies): http://mediachance.com/realdraw/index.html in conjunction with http://mediachance.com/dap/dap2.html to convert the 16bit images after color adjustments to 8bit psd, tif or whatever Maybe not exactly what fits in your needs but nice apps in my opinion. Matthias - Original Message - *From:* Neil Cooke n...@neilcookegraphics.co.nz *To:* user-list@light.realsoft3d.com *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2009 11:04 PM *Subject:* Re: Is Realsoft the only real 3D solution on Linux? @ Rakesh Photoshop is also the only app out there right now that will load 500MB 16-bit images (though some of the scans have approached 2 GB My renders for the mural size prints at 20,000 pixels etc, have meant over 500 GB file sizes. I have not come to any limits with my Corel Photopaint in handling these files. For one series I was shifting the colours into sepia but not by simply tweaking the balance but rather by over laying the colour copy onto a sepia tinted greyscale and adjusting transparency. Neil Cooke - Original Message - *From:* Andrew Berge abe...@virtualstudios.com.au *To:* user-list@light.realsoft3d.com *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2009 10:28 AM *Subject:* RE: Is Realsoft the only real 3D solution on Linux? Rakesh, There is cine paint the film version of gimp which can support upto 32bit images and was developed specifically for use on film projects: http://www.cinepaint.org/ I haven't looked at it in quite a while, last I looked it was only just released and needed more development but perhaps by now it is more complete and may be useful for you. rgds, Andrew -- *From:* owner-l...@light.realsoft3d.com [mailto: owner-l...@light.realsoft3d.com] *On Behalf Of *Rakesh Malik *Sent:* Monday, 28 December 2009 2:42 AM *To:* user-list@light.realsoft3d.com *Subject:* Re: Is Realsoft the only real 3D solution on Linux? Lightroom is only a partial solution for my needs; it's sufficient for my digital images, but it doesn't hold up with my big ones, and cleaning up dust spots and scratches on film scans is a LOT easier with Photoshop than with Lightroom, even with LR's new brush tools. :( Photoshop is also the only app out there right now that will load 500MB 16-bit images (though some of the scans have approached 2 GB, I cut back on the size because I only have 4 GB on my machine right now...). There are some compositing packages that would probably be just as capable as Photoshop, but they're all more expensive, and all of the ones that are available for Linux are a LOT more expensive :( - Rakesh Malik My Web Site: http://www.whitecranephotography.com Blog: http://tamerlin.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/baratheon Sent from Seattle, Washington, United States On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Zaug z...@catmtn.com wrote: Rakesh Malik wrote: Unfortunately, there's nothing comparable to Photoshop for Linux that's in my price range right now... the Gimp just doesn't cut it for my photography. It is not Photoshop and is not a part of my photography workflow, but I understand that Lightroom meets the needs of most (many pro) photographers. It installed and ran well for me under Virtualbox; on a 64bit amd dual core and 3 gigs of RAM. I use to software that came with my alpha 850 and 900 cameras for initial color correction and dynamic range enhancement (it does this better than anything else I have tried, including LR); I run it under wine, but had to install it under VB first, then was a simple matter of moving the application to wine's windows folder. Running under wine instead of VB saves whatever memory you have alloted to your VB machine (about 1.25gig in my case), besides what the app actually requires. I realize that is getting close to the tweaking you speak of, but it only has to be done when installing the app. This method of installing under VB and moving to wine has worked for a few other applications, but not for all that I have tried; definitely worth checking for apps you run often under VB. I will also mention that Noise Ninja is available in a native Linux version; it _is_ part of my workflow - does a fantastic job and is very reasonably priced. I guess that my HW and networking requirements are minimal, but a couple
Re: RS6 and Linux are finally working after so much effort.
Quote: I hope that the people on this list criticizing Linux have all paid for their dear Windows7. Otherwise your arguments are pointless. Is that why you have to use Linux now? Did your copy of Windows start suddenly to run in restricted mode? Did you experience problems with activating Windows 7? It sounds like it you were forced to install Linux to have something. It's no fun to tease a dog that doesn't bark -- From: Jean-Sebastien Perron j...@neuroworld.ws Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 12:57 PM To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: RS6 and Linux are finally working after so much effort. I finally managed to make Linux work after 5 hours of fighting with the Ubuntu disk partitioner. It was constantly telling could not mount partition random number?? After so many try and even deleting partitions in the good old XP boot, nothing. The problem was that there is a small button for more configuration. There for the first time (don't know why) I had to check for sda1 to place the boot loader. Normally default HD0 is ok. I successfully installed my printer with many tweaks. Now everything is working fine, I am writing this e-mail from Ubuntu Thunderbird. It's nice to have thunderbird and firefox just have to copy the folders to transfer all settings from win to linux. My videocard is working fully and Realsoft 6 is running perfectly. The headless character is the infamous guy who praise Windows and never paid for it. There is nothing worse in this world than people using pirated copies of MSOffice while so many people put so much effort in OpenOffice. MSOffice cost 760$ nobody ever paid for it. If there was no software piracy, people would not be able to use Softimage, Maya, Houdini; RS would have way much more customers. I hope that the people on this list criticizing Linux have all paid for their dear Windows7. Otherwise your arguments are pointless. Note that most win application are actually working fine and fast with Wine, including games. Microsoft reminds us always that it is not the best who wins but the most aggressive and unfair cheater. I wish you all an happy new year and happy. Jean-Sebastien Perron www.NeuroWorld.ws
Re: RS6 and Linux are finally working after so much effort.
Is that why you have to use Linux now? Did your copy of Windows start suddenly to run in restricted mode? Did you experience problems with activating Windows 7? It sounds like it you were forced to install Linux to have something. lol, no that is not the case. Linux Wine is incredible my CombadZ software is running perfectly with full OpenGL and sound. Jean-Sebastien Perron www.NeuroWorld.ws
Re: RS6 and Linux are finally working after so much effort.
cool we take your word for it Happy 3D and Happy New 2010 -- From: Jean-Sebastien Perron j...@neuroworld.ws Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:09 PM To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: Re: RS6 and Linux are finally working after so much effort. Is that why you have to use Linux now? Did your copy of Windows start suddenly to run in restricted mode? Did you experience problems with activating Windows 7? It sounds like it you were forced to install Linux to have something. lol, no that is not the case. Linux Wine is incredible my CombadZ software is running perfectly with full OpenGL and sound. Jean-Sebastien Perron www.NeuroWorld.ws
Re: Just wasted an entire day of my life with Linux, again!
To all, you already made the mistake when you decided to use computers. BR, Jouni Haha, that made my day! I curse/celebrate the day I was exposed to C64 Basic for the first time some time during the eighties :) A great but flawed Microsoft product. So far, I've only used RS only on Windows and the Amiga (long ago) but I hope to give V7 a try on 64-bit Linux next year (which is pretty soon). Surely a dedicated 64-bit Linux workstation can be very productive with RS3d for professional use!!?? -Mark H
