[videoblogging] What is online video worth - contract info

2007-10-04 Thread caminofilm
Hi

I have a hypothetical question the wise heads here may be able to answer.

Lets say you travel around your country, producing short videos at
different locations. Lets say, market research (youtube) show that
your concept is extremely popular.

Lets say a local tv station contact you and want exclusive rights to
your videos, in your country, for one year, to list on there online
site. This means you can't list your videos on local sites that they
see as competition (other tv station sites, newspaper sites)

Lets say they ask you to name your price. 

If you have produced these videos with your own funds, and know that
to do them commercially would cost anything from $1500-$3000 per video

WHAT DO YOU CHARGE THE TV STATION TO LIST YOUR VIDEOS EXCLUSIVELY ON
THEIR SITE IN YOUR COUNTRY?

Do you charge all of what it would cost to make them commercially? Or
do you take into consideration the advertising revenue they may make
from your content over a year, and charge more...or less?

Or does one take into account that, due to this tv station being the
biggest in your country, the publicity in itself, will be beneficial
to your brand

Where is online video at? Can we get the money that we charge to do
commercial work?


I really need to know...and soon...hypothetically :)



[videoblogging] Re: What is online video worth - contract info

2007-10-04 Thread caminofilm
ohh!! .. lets say you have 40 of these under five minute location
videos, which if you were to get even $1000 each for, works out to be
a tidy sum

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, caminofilm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi
 
 I have a hypothetical question the wise heads here may be able to
answer.
 
 Lets say you travel around your country, producing short videos at
 different locations. Lets say, market research (youtube) show that
 your concept is extremely popular.
 
 Lets say a local tv station contact you and want exclusive rights to
 your videos, in your country, for one year, to list on there online
 site. This means you can't list your videos on local sites that they
 see as competition (other tv station sites, newspaper sites)
 
 Lets say they ask you to name your price. 
 
 If you have produced these videos with your own funds, and know that
 to do them commercially would cost anything from $1500-$3000 per video
 
 WHAT DO YOU CHARGE THE TV STATION TO LIST YOUR VIDEOS EXCLUSIVELY ON
 THEIR SITE IN YOUR COUNTRY?
 
 Do you charge all of what it would cost to make them commercially? Or
 do you take into consideration the advertising revenue they may make
 from your content over a year, and charge more...or less?
 
 Or does one take into account that, due to this tv station being the
 biggest in your country, the publicity in itself, will be beneficial
 to your brand
 
 Where is online video at? Can we get the money that we charge to do
 commercial work?
 
 
 I really need to know...and soon...hypothetically :)





[videoblogging] Re: Looking for people to interview - 365 day ROAD TRIP

2007-10-04 Thread Becca
Hi Amy,

If you're dropping by Honolulu, HI,  I'm up for interviewing.  I have a vlog at 
http://
beccavlog.blogspot.com.  My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I'm a graduate student 
at the 
University of Hawaii where there is quite a bit of discussion about the 
upcoming election.  
So, if I can be of any help, let me know.

Aloha,
Becca

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, amy_bugbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Everybody! 
 
 If you live in the USA and you have an opinion we want to talk to you!
 
 We are doing a 365 day road trip starting November 4th.
 Here's the website: http://www.ayearatthewheel.com
 
 Also, I am looking for any feedback and advice you can offer.
 
 And, if you can tell others about our trip we would really appreciate it!
 
 Thanks,
 Amy





RE: [videoblogging] What is online video worth - contract info

2007-10-04 Thread Kfir Pravda
I would do the following:
Charge for less than what it will cost them to produce it on their own, and 
push for a lot of ads and awareness for your brand. This way I is not worth for 
them to produce it on their own and you promote your brand.
You might be able to get some of their ads money, but you risk losing the deal. 


*sent from handheld

Kfir Pravda

-Original Message-
From: caminofilm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 04-Oct-07 8:34
Subject: [videoblogging] What is online video worth - contract info

Hi

I have a hypothetical question the wise heads here may be able to answer.

Lets say you travel around your country, producing short videos at
different locations. Lets say, market research (youtube) show that
your concept is extremely popular.

Lets say a local tv station contact you and want exclusive rights to
your videos, in your country, for one year, to list on there online
site. This means you can't list your videos on local sites that they
see as competition (other tv station sites, newspaper sites)

Lets say they ask you to name your price. 

If you have produced these videos with your own funds, and know that
to do them commercially would cost anything from $1500-$3000 per video

WHAT DO YOU CHARGE THE TV STATION TO LIST YOUR VIDEOS EXCLUSIVELY ON
THEIR SITE IN YOUR COUNTRY?

Do you charge all of what it would cost to make them commercially? Or
do you take into consideration the advertising revenue they may make
from your content over a year, and charge more...or less?

Or does one take into account that, due to this tv station being the
biggest in your country, the publicity in itself, will be beneficial
to your brand

Where is online video at? Can we get the money that we charge to do
commercial work?


I really need to know...and soon...hypothetically :)




RE: [videoblogging] What is online video worth - contract info

2007-10-04 Thread Mark Shea
thanks kfir for your reply

Hypothetically speaking, they are keen to see me happy, to continue providing 
them content. It really is a matter of having some idea of how much money they 
envisage making over the year nesting ads with my content.

But you are right, they are the biggest TV station in the country, the 
publicity for my brand will be huge!



Kfir Pravda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I would do 
the following:
 Charge for less than what it will cost them to produce it on their own, and 
push for a lot of ads and awareness for your brand. This way I is not worth for 
them to produce it on their own and you promote your brand.
 You might be able to get some of their ads money, but you risk losing the 
deal. 
 
 *sent from handheld
 
 Kfir Pravda
 
 -Original Message-
 From: caminofilm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: 04-Oct-07 8:34
 Subject: [videoblogging] What is online video worth - contract info
 
 Hi
 
 I have a hypothetical question the wise heads here may be able to answer.
 
 Lets say you travel around your country, producing short videos at
 different locations. Lets say, market research (youtube) show that
 your concept is extremely popular.
 
 Lets say a local tv station contact you and want exclusive rights to
 your videos, in your country, for one year, to list on there online
 site. This means you can't list your videos on local sites that they
 see as competition (other tv station sites, newspaper sites)
 
 Lets say they ask you to name your price. 
 
 If you have produced these videos with your own funds, and know that
 to do them commercially would cost anything from $1500-$3000 per video
 
 WHAT DO YOU CHARGE THE TV STATION TO LIST YOUR VIDEOS EXCLUSIVELY ON
 THEIR SITE IN YOUR COUNTRY?
 
 Do you charge all of what it would cost to make them commercially? Or
 do you take into consideration the advertising revenue they may make
 from your content over a year, and charge more...or less?
 
 Or does one take into account that, due to this tv station being the
 biggest in your country, the publicity in itself, will be beneficial
 to your brand
 
 Where is online video at? Can we get the money that we charge to do
 commercial work?
 
 I really need to know...and soon...hypothetically :)
 
 
 
   

   
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Luggage? GPS? Comic books? 
Check out fitting  gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: ChannelFlip is up

2007-10-04 Thread Wil Harris
Yes, Blip does (almost) everything we want (RSS, iTunes, multiple  
versions etc) with the minimum of hassle.  Site is built on (of  
course) Wordpress.

New episodes are up every Monday, Wedneday and Friday.  Finger  
crossed somebody will watch!

Wil


On 2 Oct 2007, at 08:44, Irina wrote:

 wowzers!
 are you using blip?

 On 10/1/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Congrats. The sites look good. :)
 
  Add your http:// to the front to get them to link: http:// 
 ChannelFlip.com
 
  --
  Bill
  http://billcammack.com
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 
 40yahoogroups.com,
  Wil Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Hey guys,
  
   I missed the NME, but spent the weekend finishing off the sites  
 etc.
  
   ChannelFlip.com and its shows (Unwiredshow.tv, PlayDigital.tv,
   Discusshow.tv) are now up and running in 'beta' form - IE, no
   animations and snazzy lower thirds, editing is a bit rough, sites
   need tidying up. But, on the plus side, it seems that things, you
   know, work. We are shooting on a regular schedule now and will  
 have
   one 5-min ep of each show up three times a week.
  
   Thought you guys would be interested - more episodes to come on
   Wednesday and Friday.
  
   Cheers,
  
   Wil.
  
 
 
 

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 http://geekentertainment.tv

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Re: [videoblogging] Real News

2007-10-04 Thread schlomo rabinowitz
As a bar owner, you learn to never talk about politics over the counter.
But this is an email list.

Global warming may have been a part of natures plan, but we have turned it
from a Stroll In The Park to a Jog In The Woods.  We pick at the scab.
Nothing more I can say.

And no, I'm not going to make a videoblog about it.

I only write this because sometimes this list gets bogged down on Politics
As Subject.  And I hate it.

Personally, I care what this list has to say about Politics For
Videobloggers.

Things like CC issues, TOC issues, concepts of an open distribution,
concepts of compensation, interpretations of the difference between video
online and on the big screen (or in the kitchen/living/bed room!),
constructs on how video empowers someone else to DO SOMETHING (and I dont
care what that is. Make them laugh, cry, vote, poop, whatever.) 

I can go on, but I would rather Michael Meiser take the helm.

This rant has nothing to do with you, Charles.  Honestly.  I just read this
at the wrong time and I had to holler.

We are at an exciting time right now.  Accept that. Please lets keep the
list focused on the multitude of issues that surround the independent video
artist on the web.

On another note:
Hey! Andreas and Britney sure have stirred some trouble with their Lumiere
Manifesto!
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/29/lumiere-manifesto-li.html

Flame out!

Schlomo
http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
http://hatfactory.net
http://evilvlog.com


Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0thisid=323thisview=item

 Objectiveness would require them not be on one side or the other of
 what is causing global warming. (And the impression I got from that
 is that they are on the side of the belief that human action is
 causing global warming.)
  http://vlograzor.com/




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RE: [videoblogging] What is online video worth - contract info

2007-10-04 Thread Kfir Pravda
As long as you limit the deal for a year, you can always open it and change the 
terms later. Assuming that they will make money from your videos, next round 
you can improve your position.

There is another option - maybe now you can ask  more money, if they are very 
eager to get your content. Only you know the answer, cause you are sitting with 
them and look them in the eye.

With the information you provided, I'd go with my first option.

*sent from handheld

Kfir Pravda

-Original Message-
From: Mark Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 04-Oct-07 9:51
Subject: RE: [videoblogging] What is online video worth - contract info

thanks kfir for your reply

Hypothetically speaking, they are keen to see me happy, to continue providing 
them content. It really is a matter of having some idea of how much money they 
envisage making over the year nesting ads with my content.

But you are right, they are the biggest TV station in the country, the 
publicity for my brand will be huge!



Kfir Pravda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I would do 
the following:
 Charge for less than what it will cost them to produce it on their own, and 
push for a lot of ads and awareness for your brand. This way I is not worth for 
them to produce it on their own and you promote your brand.
 You might be able to get some of their ads money, but you risk losing the 
deal. 
 
 *sent from handheld
 
 Kfir Pravda
 
 -Original Message-
 From: caminofilm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: 04-Oct-07 8:34
 Subject: [videoblogging] What is online video worth - contract info
 
 Hi
 
 I have a hypothetical question the wise heads here may be able to answer.
 
 Lets say you travel around your country, producing short videos at
 different locations. Lets say, market research (youtube) show that
 your concept is extremely popular.
 
 Lets say a local tv station contact you and want exclusive rights to
 your videos, in your country, for one year, to list on there online
 site. This means you can't list your videos on local sites that they
 see as competition (other tv station sites, newspaper sites)
 
 Lets say they ask you to name your price. 
 
 If you have produced these videos with your own funds, and know that
 to do them commercially would cost anything from $1500-$3000 per video
 
 WHAT DO YOU CHARGE THE TV STATION TO LIST YOUR VIDEOS EXCLUSIVELY ON
 THEIR SITE IN YOUR COUNTRY?
 
 Do you charge all of what it would cost to make them commercially? Or
 do you take into consideration the advertising revenue they may make
 from your content over a year, and charge more...or less?
 
 Or does one take into account that, due to this tv station being the
 biggest in your country, the publicity in itself, will be beneficial
 to your brand
 
 Where is online video at? Can we get the money that we charge to do
 commercial work?
 
 I really need to know...and soon...hypothetically :)
 
 
 
   

   
-
Luggage? GPS? Comic books? 
Check out fitting  gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: money

2007-10-04 Thread Irina
ah, they're with UTA.

then they should be on tv soon...

thanks josh! catching up on emails and i owe u one asap

will check out the interview

On 10/3/07, Jill H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   weneedgirlfriends are my friends- as far as i know they pay for their
 own production, though i know they are trying to cut a tv deal- they
 may have been picked up by a management team.


 On 10/3/07, joshuajcohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] joshua%40tilzy.tv wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
  These guys definitely paid for it out of pocket, at least the first
  half-dozen episodes. I've met the crew a few times in NYC - very cool
  guys - and interviewed them back in June - http://tinyurl.com/393pwp -
  right after they signed with UTA.
 
  Awesome show. One of my favorites on the web.
 
  - Josh
  
  Joshua Cohen
  Tilzy.TV
  New York, NY
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] joshua%40tilzy.tv
  www.tilzy.tv
  Subscribe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/tilzytvnews
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
 Irina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   do u think they just paid for this out of pocket
  
   http://www.weneedgirlfriends.tv/
  
   --
   http://geekentertainment.tv
  
  
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[videoblogging] Fwd: Citizen Journalism event at Paley Center for Media

2007-10-04 Thread Irina
-- Forwarded message --
From: Trevor Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Oct 3, 2007 7:04 PM


For comp tickets, please email Amy Douthett - [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Beyond the Anchor Desk:
The Rise of Citizen Journalism
Tuesday, October 9; 6:00 to 7:30 pm

Forget film at 11:00. News footage is 24/7 from the plasma screen
to the Internet, contributed by a legion of engaged citizen
journalists with tools ranging from video cameras to cell phones. This
revolution in news gathering and distribution is the focus of
tonight's discussion, with ireporters joining our distinguished panel.

Moderator: Merrill Brown, Chairman of the Board, nowpublic.com;
Editorial Director, News21

In Person: Jon Alpert, Cofounder/Codirector, DCTV; Debra Galant,
Founder and Editor-in-Chief, Baristanet.com; Adam Glenn, Cofounder,
ireporter.org; Andrew Heyward, Sr. Advisor, Marketspace LLC; Fr.
Pres., CBS News; Max Lugavere, Producer/Host, Current TV; Jason Silva,
Producer/Host, Current TV


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Re: [videoblogging] Real News

2007-10-04 Thread Irina
schlomo!
strollingin the park? joggingin thewoods
speak english man i dont like that riddle talk

On 10/4/07, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   As a bar owner, you learn to never talk about politics over the counter.
 But this is an email list.

 Global warming may have been a part of natures plan, but we have turned it
 from a Stroll In The Park to a Jog In The Woods. We pick at the scab.
 Nothing more I can say.

 And no, I'm not going to make a videoblog about it.

 I only write this because sometimes this list gets bogged down on Politics
 As Subject. And I hate it.

 Personally, I care what this list has to say about Politics For
 Videobloggers.

 Things like CC issues, TOC issues, concepts of an open distribution,
 concepts of compensation, interpretations of the difference between video
 online and on the big screen (or in the kitchen/living/bed room!),
 constructs on how video empowers someone else to DO SOMETHING (and I dont
 care what that is. Make them laugh, cry, vote, poop, whatever.) 

 I can go on, but I would rather Michael Meiser take the helm.

 This rant has nothing to do with you, Charles. Honestly. I just read this
 at the wrong time and I had to holler.

 We are at an exciting time right now. Accept that. Please lets keep the
 list focused on the multitude of issues that surround the independent
 video
 artist on the web.

 On another note:
 Hey! Andreas and Britney sure have stirred some trouble with their Lumiere
 Manifesto!
 http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/29/lumiere-manifesto-li.html

 Flame out!

 Schlomo
 http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
 http://hatfactory.net
 http://evilvlog.com

 Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED]supercanadian%40gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 http://www.therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0thisid=323thisview=item
 

  Objectiveness would require them not be on one side or the other of
  what is causing global warming. (And the impression I got from that
  is that they are on the side of the belief that human action is
  causing global warming.)
  http://vlograzor.com/
 
 

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Re: [videoblogging] Personal Satisfaction vs. Marketability

2007-10-04 Thread Irina
if i did a show and didnt care about what people thought..
i would let doofy words fall out my mouth without censoring
i would make fun of doofy-ass people (especially me)
i would make faces at the camera
i would make inappropriate comments about my body parts and yours
and i would mysteriously still seem smart at the end!
oh wait
that's GETV!

i'm lucky! oh and i'm also possibly filing bankruptcy! lol

oprah says, do what u love and the money will follow

i say, sometimes the money is really really really behind!

On 10/3/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Amongst the YouTubers that came to Pixelodeon was Caitlin Hill, aka
 TheHill88 http://flickr.com/photos/ekai/543134602/. Recently, she
 posted a video to YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KQv4koF1n0
 which was a response to other people's responses to her video called
 Chris Crocker + TV Show = A Load of Crock
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYGmO_zCU6QNR=1.

 Now I know Caitlin's one of the YouTubers that's doing a character.
 She does mostly goofy entertainment skits. If she's acting in these
 two videos, I'll tip my hat, because she seems perfectly serious to me.

 There are lots of things I find interesting about these videos,
 including the fact that she seems to have a good grasp on the
 difference between laughing at and laughing with and she's
 basically putting down the exact same type of videos that she does
 herself. She also says that she liked [her work] way more before she
 cared what other people thought. At this point, AFAIK, she's in the
 YouTube Partner program. Her punchline at the end of the Crocker
 video is Please realize this. Reality TV is like YouTube... Need I
 say more?

 Granted, I don't watch many YouTube Character videos, so I have no
 idea whether lots of people are saying this, but (again, if we're to
 take her seriously, and I've chosen to do that after having watched
 both videos) her stance seems to be opposing the stance of anything
 that anybody does is worthwhile to anybody but themselves and
 anybody who gets sponsored or chosen to do something has been deemed
 a quality performer. I find it to be a very progressive and
 insightful stance from someone who specializes in deliberately-goofy
 videos. Obviously, Caitlin has been exposed to more of the
 industry, and that may be coloring her view of sit in front of your
 webcam videos.

 I wanted to post this in light of some people mentioning that the
 recent conversations in this group have been about money. How do we
 get paid? How do we monetize? How do we get sponsored? How do we
 grow and maintain an audience? How do we get more hits? How do we
 get more distribution? What kinds of ads should we run?

 I agree from my own perspective with what Caitlin had to say about
 caring what people think. That's partially why what was going to be
 a personal battle with Vergel Evans http://Lx7.ca became Vlog
 Deathmatch: Video Music Challenge
 
 http://vlogdeathmatch.blogspot.com/2007/05/bill-cammacks-official-music-video.html
 .
 I had basically bored myself to death doing videos that conformed to
 what the public was consuming or what was being done in the space. I
 love that particular video I did with ActionGirl, because it was fun,
 she brought fantastic energy to the project, and I was consistently,
 progressively creative during the time we shot it and I edited it.
 That's more my style and what I got involved with video to do in the
 first place. I also really enjoyed the diversity and creativity of
 the other 19 entries in the contest, which I really think of more as
 a festival.

 I've also had the *rare* reaction of Damn... I wish *I* had made that
 video when I see Jay Smooth's creativity in his videoblog Ill
 Doctrine
 http://www.illdoctrine.com/2007/06/the_ill_doctrine_dipset_anthem.html
 http://www.illdoctrine.com/2007/07/john_lee_hooker_i_get_money_fr.html.

 I guess it all comes down to what YOU would do if you weren't
 concerned with numbers or viewers or getting sponsored or paying bills
 through videoblogging... the exact opposite of what we've been
 discussing lately. Maybe you're already doing exactly what you want.
 Maybe your videos are already personally satisfying to you. I've
 been getting A LOT of satisfaction cutting Scriggity
 http://scriggity.com with Drew Olanoff @ Shauna. Just last night,
 Clintus McGintus told us he was with the program to do Scriggity
 epidodes, so it's just getting better and better. :D

 I wonder what the percentage is between people that actually enjoy
 what they're doing and people that do their shows specifically to get
 hits, sponsorship or attention. If you're not going to do videos that
 *you* like or even LOVE, make sure the ROI's worth it. Otherwise, you
 might be better off keeping your day job and making videos that are
 completely unmarketable, yet personally fulfilling.

 --
 Bill
 http://billcammack.com

  




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[videoblogging] Re: What is online video worth - contract info

2007-10-04 Thread Bill Cammack
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, caminofilm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi
 
 I have a hypothetical question the wise heads here may be able to
answer.
 
 Lets say you travel around your country, producing short videos at
 different locations. Lets say, market research (youtube) show that
 your concept is extremely popular.
 
 Lets say a local tv station contact you and want exclusive rights to
 your videos, in your country, for one year, to list on there online
 site. This means you can't list your videos on local sites that they
 see as competition (other tv station sites, newspaper sites)

If a TV station or *anybody* wants exclusive rights to your videos,
you've become a producer for them for the time being.  Your
consideration of payment should include the value to them of not
having to hire a producer (or production TEAM, depending on how
intricate your work is) as well as how much YOU will benefit from
being associated with the group making you the offer.

Then again, that has to do with videos you're GOING to create, and the
time it's going to take you to create them.  Time is Money.  Period. 
When you're doing something for somebody, you're not doing something
for yourself (work or pleasure), and you're not doing something for
someone that would pay you what your rate is for whatever you're
skilled in doing.  Working for someone for less than your normal rate
is either a gesture of wanting to do business with them even though
you know they can't afford you, a gesture of friendship, or in the
worst case, a gesture of charity.

 Lets say they ask you to name your price. 
 
 If you have produced these videos with your own funds, and know that
 to do them commercially would cost anything from $1500-$3000 per video
 
 WHAT DO YOU CHARGE THE TV STATION TO LIST YOUR VIDEOS EXCLUSIVELY ON
 THEIR SITE IN YOUR COUNTRY?

Well, something like that varies depending on the market you're in. 
In the USA, New York is the #1 television market.  It's going to cost
you way more to get something made here than, say, in Arkansas.  So
depending on where you're standing, regardless of how much your time
is worth to you, that particular market won't sustain your rate.  Then
again, the work is probably easier and less quality-based anyway, if
that's worth anything to the producer.

 Do you charge all of what it would cost to make them commercially? Or
 do you take into consideration the advertising revenue they may make
 from your content over a year, and charge more...or less?


I like what Kfir had to say in this situation.  If there's a benefit
to you of being in an exclusive relationship with this station, such
as the station publicizing your work AND YOU utilizing their promo
department for an entire year, factor that in and charge them less
since you don't have to advertise yourself.  It's like the difference
between being staff and freelance.  You charge more as a freelancer
because you have to cover your own benefits, and you're normally
brought in during crunch-time or to fix someone else's mistakes.  When
there's a story about fly-fishing, they can get the staffers to do
it... plus, they don't have to pay the staff overtime.

If there's no benefit to you in being associated with the TV station,
charge them whatever the market rates for production are.

If there's potentially LESS benefit, for instance, you do something
for them for a flat fee, then they turn around and put your video in
some revenue-sharing setup and make way more on it than they paid you
to make it, you might want to charge them more than usual.

 Or does one take into account that, due to this tv station being the
 biggest in your country, the publicity in itself, will be beneficial
 to your brand

It depends on what the publicity consists of, and how much of it will
translate into benefits for you after your deal with the station is
over.  For instance, depending on where you are in your career, if you
could get paid more to create a music video that plays on a band's
myspace account or get paid less to create a music video that plays on
MTV, VH1, etc, you might take the lower-paying but way more
prestegious gig.

In this case, they're asking you to name your price.  Tell them what
you think your work is worth.  If it's over their budget, they'll tell
you so, and then either you'll work with them or you won't.  If you
actually want to work with them regardless, the negotiations are over
before they started.

 Where is online video at? Can we get the money that we charge to do
 commercial work?


This has nothing to do with online video vs MSM or Corporate Video. 
It never did and it never will.

Time is Money.  Period.

 I really need to know...and soon...hypothetically :)


Even within MSM, Time is Money.  At one point, while I was
permalancing for an ad agency 32 stories above Manhattan with the ad
execs ordering sushi for lunch while we were cutting $600,000
commercials, I received an offer to interview with a different agency
for a 

Re: [videoblogging] anyone know maria bamford

2007-10-04 Thread Irina
yeah i think that site is wierd

does anyone know maria?

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   She is funny. I tried to subscribe to her a couple months ago through
 that
 site, but I guess it didn't work.


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  she's funny
 
 
 
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[videoblogging] Finding Collections In Windows Movie Maker

2007-10-04 Thread Patrick Cook
Hi everyone:

Does anyone know where to find them?

I ask this because I had rearranged the location of a collection which
MM is trying to open BUT MM doesn't seem to be able to locate the file
via indexing (And I can't find the location to edit and/or remove this
collection from within either).

Any help in solving this would be greatly appreciated.  :D

Cheers :D

-- 
Pat Cook
Denver, Colorado
BLOGS  PODCASTS -
AS MY WACKED OUT WORLD TURNS  - http://pchamster.livejournal.com/
**NEW VLOG** AS MY WORLD TURNS - http://asmyworldturnstv.blogspot.com/
(Same As Above - Only In Quicktime MP4 format)
PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/
PAT'S HEALTH  MEDICAL WONDERS VIDEOCAST -
http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/
YOUTUBE CHANNEL - http://www.youtube.com/amwowttv/
THE PAT COOK SHOW  - http://www.livevideo.com/thepcshow
THE PAT COOK SHOW (Blogger Page) - http://thepctvshow.blogspot.com/
THE PAT COOK SHOW (Audio Podcast) - http://thepcradioshow.blogspot.com/


Re: [videoblogging] Re: What is online video worth - contract info

2007-10-04 Thread Mark Shea
Thanks for your indepth answer Bill, you are dead right, time is money.

I am constantly being contacted by websites and broadcasters (in the US) 
wanting to use my stories. At first I was keen to get them out there, now it's 
like 'show me the money'! I don't need anymore publicity that doesn't pay the 
bills!

Youtube is the king of online vid, I'm a partner, and (although ad revenue 
sharing will take time to kick in) you really cannot beat the instant comments 
and ratings the youtube community provide. It is a real litmus test in regard 
to which stories actually work.

If I do a job for a national broadcaster, they pay me. to own copyright of the 
finished product. But I think online video is changing this, we can own our 
vids and show them across several platforms, whether it be online at youtube, 
revver and metacafe, or on a cable station. I think this is great, because like 
a songwriter, we can earn revenue from our vids, for their entire life, and not 
just be paid a lump sum to kiss our babies goodbye. 

So if one broadcaster no longer pays all the funds to have something made 
(which they then own) do we accept that revenue will come from several sources, 
or from several regions?

Time is money, but in the end, the market decides what something is worth, I 
have no idea how much money a particular tv station's website expects to make 
from individual videos. In the end it will come down to a good ol' barter.

I will keep you up to date with how it goes. It's great though, this is how I 
envisaged online video changing the rules. Where a one man production company, 
with a good concept, can provide content to the largest tv station in his 
hypothetical part of the world. 

Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   --- In 
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, caminofilm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi
  
  I have a hypothetical question the wise heads here may be able to
 answer.
  
  Lets say you travel around your country, producing short videos at
  different locations. Lets say, market research (youtube) show that
  your concept is extremely popular.
  
  Lets say a local tv station contact you and want exclusive rights to
  your videos, in your country, for one year, to list on there online
  site. This means you can't list your videos on local sites that they
  see as competition (other tv station sites, newspaper sites)
 
 If a TV station or *anybody* wants exclusive rights to your videos,
 you've become a producer for them for the time being.  Your
 consideration of payment should include the value to them of not
 having to hire a producer (or production TEAM, depending on how
 intricate your work is) as well as how much YOU will benefit from
 being associated with the group making you the offer.
 
 Then again, that has to do with videos you're GOING to create, and the
 time it's going to take you to create them.  Time is Money.  Period. 
 When you're doing something for somebody, you're not doing something
 for yourself (work or pleasure), and you're not doing something for
 someone that would pay you what your rate is for whatever you're
 skilled in doing.  Working for someone for less than your normal rate
 is either a gesture of wanting to do business with them even though
 you know they can't afford you, a gesture of friendship, or in the
 worst case, a gesture of charity.
 
  Lets say they ask you to name your price. 
  
  If you have produced these videos with your own funds, and know that
  to do them commercially would cost anything from $1500-$3000 per video
  
  WHAT DO YOU CHARGE THE TV STATION TO LIST YOUR VIDEOS EXCLUSIVELY ON
  THEIR SITE IN YOUR COUNTRY?
 
 Well, something like that varies depending on the market you're in. 
 In the USA, New York is the #1 television market.  It's going to cost
 you way more to get something made here than, say, in Arkansas.  So
 depending on where you're standing, regardless of how much your time
 is worth to you, that particular market won't sustain your rate.  Then
 again, the work is probably easier and less quality-based anyway, if
 that's worth anything to the producer.
 
  Do you charge all of what it would cost to make them commercially? Or
  do you take into consideration the advertising revenue they may make
  from your content over a year, and charge more...or less?
 
 I like what Kfir had to say in this situation.  If there's a benefit
 to you of being in an exclusive relationship with this station, such
 as the station publicizing your work AND YOU utilizing their promo
 department for an entire year, factor that in and charge them less
 since you don't have to advertise yourself.  It's like the difference
 between being staff and freelance.  You charge more as a freelancer
 because you have to cover your own benefits, and you're normally
 brought in during crunch-time or to fix someone else's mistakes.  When
 there's a story about fly-fishing, they can get the staffers to do
 it... plus, they don't 

[videoblogging] Re: What is online video worth - contract info

2007-10-04 Thread bordercollieaustralianshepherd
Hi

Just as I finished writing my reply, I checked todays posts. You got a
lot of great input. So here is the bare bones of what I was originally
going to write.


 I have a hypothetical question 
 
 local tv station contact you and want exclusive rights to
 your videos, in your country, for one year, to list on there online
 site. This means you can't list your videos on local sites that they
 see as competition (other tv station sites, newspaper sites)
 
 Lets say they ask you to name your price. 
 
 If you have produced these videos with your own funds, and know that
 to do them commercially would cost anything from $1500-$3000 per video
 
 WHAT DO YOU CHARGE THE TV STATION TO LIST YOUR VIDEOS EXCLUSIVELY ON
 THEIR SITE IN YOUR COUNTRY?

local or country? 10,000 people or 1.5 million potential viewers?

They host the videos, you just hand them your prior work completed, no
re-edits, tweaks, nothing ...

A prominent logo/link credits you? Exclusive right to do anything and
everything with your videos?

Bare minimum - One big package deal = 10% (or less) of what you
determine cost plus a profit (15% +/- additional) equals. You get some
say in how, where, who, what, is done with your work.


 Do you charge all of what it would cost to make them commercially? Or
 do you take into consideration the advertising revenue they may make
 from your content over a year, and charge more...or less?

Local - $300-$400 each video/year
Country - $300-$XXX.XX each video/year 

Over X number of views you share in revenue Lot more to this. Do
the math, revenue potential from another site like Blip or YouTube. It
is a numbers game, need to know how many people see your stuff now.
What is the ad structure ... blah blah blah

 
 Or does one take into account that, due to this tv station being the
 biggest in your country, the publicity in itself, will be beneficial
 to your brand

Is the video online AND a part of their broadcasts? Broadcast will get
you some new views if they are directing to you. If it all stays on
their site, it really does nothing for you.

 
 Where is online video at? Can we get the money that we charge to do
 commercial work?

TV stations work with a staff. You are handicapped by people that give
their videos away just to be seen. You are in the middle. Average TV
station will bundle the production with the ad time buy. So a ballpark
estimate of cost to produce a 30 second spot is $200.00 - $600.00.
Whether they are in the field or on stage, they might shoot for 30
mins or 8 hours and still cut a 30 sec spot.

To match what a TV station's cost might be:
Local - $1000.00 - $1800.00+ each video/year 4 or 5 min video 
Country - $1000.00 - $.00+ each video/year
In both cases I am talking about video (product) you have already
shot. If you start producing for them, it costs what it costs.

Basically with shows completed, you are doing the same thing Getty
images or a video library does. Selling/pricing determined by end use.

In general, all things relative, Video that is produced for the web by
a video production company is priced the same as video for broadcast.


 I really need to know...and soon...hypothetically :)

Get an agent/rep or contact a local ad agency. You need to have
someone on your side negotiating this. IMO what you want to establish
is a way to license this to other affiliates of the network or to any
other interested party. Oh, and add the cost of representation to the
price you establish.

Do you see what I mean?

Sell your show to 9 other affiliates and you get whole (cost plus
profit). Sell to 80 and you are in business.





[videoblogging] Re: YouTube suspends Vloggers account for Fair Use.

2007-10-04 Thread Enric
Good news!  And a useful example of defending against bogus DMCA take
down notices.

  -- Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Looks like Antonio won against KSDK! His account and his 500+ videos 
 have been reinstated, read about it here: 
 http://www.pubdef.net/2007/10/pubdef-wins-fight-with-ksdk-
 youtube.html
 
 Bill Streeter
 LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
 www.lofistl.com
 www.billstreeter.net
 
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ 
 wrote:
 
  A local St. Louis video blogger, Antonio French, has had all his 
  videos pulled from YouTube after a Local TV station sent a take 
 down 
  notice to YouTube. The video they sent the take down notice was a 
  report that he had posted where they promised a follow up to a 
 story 
  about an alderman on the take and then didn't. Antonio French had 
  posted this video to show how answers were promised and then 
 posted 
  the follow-up report to show that the question of who the alderman 
  was, was never answered. To me it looks like a clear case of fair 
  use because he was using the videos to comment and critique them. 
  You can read more about what has happened to the rest of his 
 videos 
  on his blog at http://pubdef.net 
  
  A word about Antonio French … He started his blog Pub-Def as a 
  newspaper reporter frustrated by the lack of depth in local 
  political reporting in St. Louis. He started posting videos to his 
  blog after he saw what I was doing with Lo-Fi Saint Louis. His 
  reporting is very good and has broken several stories that have 
 been 
  followed up in both local and national main stream media. He's 
  become an important source of information on the activities of 
 local 
  government and a vocal critic of local main stream media. He 
 doesn't 
  really make much money with Pub Def (short for Public Defender) 
 but 
  the cost overhead of doing it is so low that he doesn't really 
 need 
  to make that much money at it. He's exactly the kind of grass 
 roots 
  journalist that our little media revolution has made possible.
  
  He's currently moving all his videos to Blip.tv (something I 
  suggested he do months ago.) But I can understand why he wanted to 
  continue to use YouTube because it's so well known and has so much 
  traffic. 
  
  Anyway I thought that this story was relevant to the discussion 
 here—
  especially in light of the Hip-Hop Violinist story, as some of the 
  circumstances are similar. 
  
  If you get a moment go check out some of the work he's doing at 
 Pub-
  Def and if you have any ideas about how he might go about dealing 
  with this issue I'm sure he would be open to hearing them. But I 
  also wanted to introduce him to the group (he's not a participant 
  here) because I think that the kind of work he is doing is really 
  important.  
  
  Bill Streeter
  LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
  www.lofistl.com
  www.billstreeter.net
 





[videoblogging] Flash 9 Usage

2007-10-04 Thread Enric
Today I looked on the Adobe site for Flash Player Version Penetration.
 The September 2007 penetration shows at 93.3%.  This leads me to
think that the penetration is high enough to switch to developing in
Flash 9 (Actionscript 3.)

I'm wondering if people on the list are on Flash 8 or lower?  And if
so, the preference for that?

  Thanks,

   Enric



[videoblogging] Re: Personal Satisfaction vs. Marketability

2007-10-04 Thread terry.rendon
I'm a political blogger so if I did what was the most marketable all
my blog posts would be about name calling people and coming up with
catchy nick names for politicians who disagree with me politically. I
couldn't do that because I still have a soul.

Terry Rendon
www.terryannonline.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Amongst the YouTubers that came to Pixelodeon was Caitlin Hill, aka
 TheHill88 http://flickr.com/photos/ekai/543134602/.  Recently, she
 posted a video to YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KQv4koF1n0
 which was a response to other people's responses to her video called
 Chris Crocker + TV Show = A Load of Crock
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYGmO_zCU6QNR=1.
 
 Now I know Caitlin's one of the YouTubers that's doing a character. 
 She does mostly goofy entertainment skits.  If she's acting in these
 two videos, I'll tip my hat, because she seems perfectly serious to me.
 
 There are lots of things I find interesting about these videos,
 including the fact that she seems to have a good grasp on the
 difference between laughing at and laughing with and she's
 basically putting down the exact same type of videos that she does
 herself.  She also says that she liked [her work] way more before she
 cared what other people thought.  At this point, AFAIK, she's in the
 YouTube Partner program.  Her punchline at the end of the Crocker
 video is Please realize this.  Reality TV is like YouTube... Need I
 say more?
 
 Granted, I don't watch many YouTube Character videos, so I have no
 idea whether lots of people are saying this, but (again, if we're to
 take her seriously, and I've chosen to do that after having watched
 both videos) her stance seems to be opposing the stance of anything
 that anybody does is worthwhile to anybody but themselves and
 anybody who gets sponsored or chosen to do something has been deemed
 a quality performer.  I find it to be a very progressive and
 insightful stance from someone who specializes in deliberately-goofy
 videos.  Obviously, Caitlin has been exposed to more of the
 industry, and that may be coloring her view of sit in front of your
 webcam videos.
 
 I wanted to post this in light of some people mentioning that the
 recent conversations in this group have been about money.  How do we
 get paid?  How do we monetize?  How do we get sponsored?  How do we
 grow and maintain an audience?  How do we get more hits?  How do we
 get more distribution?  What kinds of ads should we run?
 
 I agree from my own perspective with what Caitlin had to say about
 caring what people think.  That's partially why what was going to be
 a personal battle with Vergel Evans http://Lx7.ca became Vlog
 Deathmatch: Video Music Challenge

http://vlogdeathmatch.blogspot.com/2007/05/bill-cammacks-official-music-video.html.
  I had basically bored myself to death doing videos that conformed to
 what the public was consuming or what was being done in the space.  I
 love that particular video I did with ActionGirl, because it was fun,
 she brought fantastic energy to the project, and I was consistently,
 progressively creative during the time we shot it and I edited it. 
 That's more my style and what I got involved with video to do in the
 first place.  I also really enjoyed the diversity and creativity of
 the other 19 entries in the contest, which I really think of more as
 a festival.
 
 I've also had the *rare* reaction of Damn... I wish *I* had made that
 video when I see Jay Smooth's creativity in his videoblog Ill
 Doctrine
 http://www.illdoctrine.com/2007/06/the_ill_doctrine_dipset_anthem.html

http://www.illdoctrine.com/2007/07/john_lee_hooker_i_get_money_fr.html.
 
 I guess it all comes down to what YOU would do if you weren't
 concerned with numbers or viewers or getting sponsored or paying bills
 through videoblogging... the exact opposite of what we've been
 discussing lately.  Maybe you're already doing exactly what you want.
  Maybe your videos are already personally satisfying to you.  I've
 been getting A LOT of satisfaction cutting Scriggity
 http://scriggity.com with Drew Olanoff @ Shauna.  Just last night,
 Clintus McGintus told us he was with the program to do Scriggity
 epidodes, so it's just getting better and better. :D
 
 I wonder what the percentage is between people that actually enjoy
 what they're doing and people that do their shows specifically to get
 hits, sponsorship or attention.  If you're not going to do videos that
 *you* like or even LOVE, make sure the ROI's worth it.  Otherwise, you
 might be better off keeping your day job and making videos that are
 completely unmarketable, yet personally fulfilling.
 
 --
 Bill
 http://billcammack.com





Re: [videoblogging] What is online video worth - contract info

2007-10-04 Thread Jen Simmons
Are they asking you to get EO (Error and Omission) insurance? What  
other costs might you have to deliver your content to them? Be sure  
to factor that in — EO costs a lot of $$$. Or better, insist they  
cover the EO / liabilities (for things like someone suing 'cause  
your video about dating features a guy who was cheating on his wife  
and his wife left him so now he blames your video...TV lawyers spend  
years dreaming up such crazy liabilities)

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Re: [videoblogging] What is online video worth - contract info

2007-10-04 Thread Roxanne Darling
2 cents:

- have a lawyer review it before you sign
- a year is a very long time in my book; i would start at 3 months at
a time (it protects both parties) especially considering the
exclusivity of this deal
- brand building is nice but it's not food
- straight talk can really tease out ulterior motives - you probably
get to start because they are used to having traditional media
attorneys draft these things.

have fun!

rox

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 your video about dating features a guy who was cheating on his wife
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: What is online video worth - contract info

2007-10-04 Thread Mark Shea
thanks border collie, spoke with a local entertainment lawyer, they don't know, 
closest case they have dealt with is organising contracts for online video 
produced by big companies (eg telecommunication companies) In this case, the 
rate was commercial rates.

I cant see there ad revenue for the vids being huge due to current cpm rates. 
But I really think 2008 we will start to see that change. Start of the 2007, if 
you told a website they must pay to list your content, they would laugh at you, 
it is interesting that now websites are willing to pay. I have already been 
paid to list my vids on an American site associated with a travel show (the 
amount really only covered my time associated with uploading, but across 20+ 
vids, made it worthwhile) But when a website wants exclusive rights for your 
country, then it is cutting out further deals with the competition, exclusivity 
should = $$.

I have to make the decision today, I wont be revealing specifics, but will give 
you some idea whether this deal ends up to be a good offer...or piss and wind!!



bordercollieaustralianshepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
Hi
 
 Just as I finished writing my reply, I checked todays posts. You got a
 lot of great input. So here is the bare bones of what I was originally
 going to write.
 
  I have a hypothetical question 
  
  local tv station contact you and want exclusive rights to
  your videos, in your country, for one year, to list on there online
  site. This means you can't list your videos on local sites that they
  see as competition (other tv station sites, newspaper sites)
  
  Lets say they ask you to name your price. 
  
  If you have produced these videos with your own funds, and know that
  to do them commercially would cost anything from $1500-$3000 per video
  
  WHAT DO YOU CHARGE THE TV STATION TO LIST YOUR VIDEOS EXCLUSIVELY ON
  THEIR SITE IN YOUR COUNTRY?
 
 local or country? 10,000 people or 1.5 million potential viewers?
 
 They host the videos, you just hand them your prior work completed, no
 re-edits, tweaks, nothing ...
 
 A prominent logo/link credits you? Exclusive right to do anything and
 everything with your videos?
 
 Bare minimum - One big package deal = 10% (or less) of what you
 determine cost plus a profit (15% +/- additional) equals. You get some
 say in how, where, who, what, is done with your work.
 
  Do you charge all of what it would cost to make them commercially? Or
  do you take into consideration the advertising revenue they may make
  from your content over a year, and charge more...or less?
 
 Local - $300-$400 each video/year
 Country - $300-$XXX.XX each video/year 
 
 Over X number of views you share in revenue Lot more to this. Do
 the math, revenue potential from another site like Blip or YouTube. It
 is a numbers game, need to know how many people see your stuff now.
 What is the ad structure ... blah blah blah
 
  
  Or does one take into account that, due to this tv station being the
  biggest in your country, the publicity in itself, will be beneficial
  to your brand
 
 Is the video online AND a part of their broadcasts? Broadcast will get
 you some new views if they are directing to you. If it all stays on
 their site, it really does nothing for you.
 
  
  Where is online video at? Can we get the money that we charge to do
  commercial work?
 
 TV stations work with a staff. You are handicapped by people that give
 their videos away just to be seen. You are in the middle. Average TV
 station will bundle the production with the ad time buy. So a ballpark
 estimate of cost to produce a 30 second spot is $200.00 - $600.00.
 Whether they are in the field or on stage, they might shoot for 30
 mins or 8 hours and still cut a 30 sec spot.
 
 To match what a TV station's cost might be:
 Local - $1000.00 - $1800.00+ each video/year 4 or 5 min video 
 Country - $1000.00 - $.00+ each video/year
 In both cases I am talking about video (product) you have already
 shot. If you start producing for them, it costs what it costs.
 
 Basically with shows completed, you are doing the same thing Getty
 images or a video library does. Selling/pricing determined by end use.
 
 In general, all things relative, Video that is produced for the web by
 a video production company is priced the same as video for broadcast.
 
  I really need to know...and soon...hypothetically :)
 
 Get an agent/rep or contact a local ad agency. You need to have
 someone on your side negotiating this. IMO what you want to establish
 is a way to license this to other affiliates of the network or to any
 other interested party. Oh, and add the cost of representation to the
 price you establish.
 
 Do you see what I mean?
 
 Sell your show to 9 other affiliates and you get whole (cost plus
 profit). Sell to 80 and you are in business.
 
 
 
   

   
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Re: [videoblogging] What is online video worth - contract info

2007-10-04 Thread Mark Shea
I have release forms for all interviewees and music used, but yes, things 
change, places close. If someone visits a place I recommend, and it is now 
closed, this could be an issue, but my hypothetical country isnt the USA, and 
(as yet) our legal system hasnt gone liability crazy, but it is interesting to 
see certain 'public places' restrict filming after Sept 11, and any filming 
done in a National Park (without permit) can incur a jail sentence or hefty fine

Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are they asking you to get EO (Error 
and Omission) insurance? What  
other costs might you have to deliver your content to them? Be sure  
to factor that in — EO costs a lot of $$$. Or better, insist they  
cover the EO / liabilities (for things like someone suing 'cause  
your video about dating features a guy who was cheating on his wife  
and his wife left him so now he blames your video...TV lawyers spend  
years dreaming up such crazy liabilities)

jen

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Re: [videoblogging] What is online video worth - contract info

2007-10-04 Thread Mark Shea
I think the only company, in my neck of the woods that would have been in a 
similar position, would be lonely planet (who recently sold to BBC worldwide) 
who I know have struck up similar deals with particular websites.

You could have a point about the three months thing. It allows me to pull out 
if a competitor makes a better offer.

Did anyone see the Kevin Sites 'round the world's trouble spots' vlog yahoo 
funded? 

Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 cents:

- have a lawyer review it before you sign
- a year is a very long time in my book; i would start at 3 months at
a time (it protects both parties) especially considering the
exclusivity of this deal
- brand building is nice but it's not food
- straight talk can really tease out ulterior motives - you probably
get to start because they are used to having traditional media
attorneys draft these things.

have fun!

rox

On 10/4/07, Jen Simmons  wrote:
 Are they asking you to get EO (Error and Omission) insurance? What
 other costs might you have to deliver your content to them? Be sure
 to factor that in — EO costs a lot of $$$. Or better, insist they
 cover the EO / liabilities (for things like someone suing 'cause
 your video about dating features a guy who was cheating on his wife
 and his wife left him so now he blames your video...TV lawyers spend
 years dreaming up such crazy liabilities)

 jen

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[videoblogging] Re: I'm Baack - With A Problem

2007-10-04 Thread Gena
Hi Pat, I'm a little puzzled because I did have a camcorder that
recorded in .asf  WMM2 handled it just fine.  It is a M$ format.
But when I went to the website they clearly state that it digital
video is in .mp4.

Hmmm. Here is what I think you should do. Get a free copy of Square5
MPEG Streamclip http://www.squared5.com 

Streamclip can't open .asf but it can handle .mp4 If that doesn't work
(and I think it will cuz it is a dang good program) there are other
options.

One of those is an on-line converter like the one at
http://media-convert.com Just upload the video and download an
converted copy in the format of your choice. MC can convert from .asf
and .mp4 as well as others.

If that doesn't work let me know and I'll round up a few others for you.

Gena
http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Cook
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi everyone:
 
 Just wanted to let everyone know I AM BAACK from my forced hiatus
 (More on that in an upcoming post to As My World Turns).
 
 That said, I have a problem.
 
 Recently I bought a Mustek DV 5300 SE Digital Camera that does still
 photos, video and audio (Jay, didn't you and Ryanne buy one too or is
 it from a different manufacturer or a different make and/or model?).
 
 Anyhow, my problem is this.
 
 The camera records video in ASF format.  I have Windows Media 11 with
 the VCM and Bonus Codec Packs and it can't find a codec to render the
 video.  Not sure if the problem lies with the audio portion or the
 video portion
 
 GSpot (Which, for those who don't know, is a utility that can be used
 to give specific details about a video when it comes to being able to
 decode it, what codec was used to encode it, and whether or not you
 have the codec on your system to render it) says that the video is a
 _COMPLIANT_ MPEG-4 video HOWEVER it also says that the codec status is
 UNDETERMINED.
 
 It is the codec status that STUMPS THE HELL OUT OF ME.
 
 Screenshots of GSpot's findings can be posted on the web and/or put in
 the files section if need be (I've also got a minute long video I can
 post too).
 
 The screen resolution is 640 x 480 (Which is the factory default
 setting for some oddball reason).
 
 It is because Windows Media can't render it that I can't get another
 player to play it (I've tried EVERYTHING under the freakin' sun from
 MPC to obscure players like GOMplayer (Which like MPC will play
 everything under the sun AS WELL AS partial downloads from file
 sharing networks).
 
 I've also tried converting it to a traditional WMV video using WME and
 Movie Maker (More on MM in another post as I have another problem
 there too) and tried converting it to AVI using STOIK VideoPak and
 VirtualDub.  I've also tried converting it to MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 using
 TMPGEnc (Which usually works on just about anything related to Windows
 Media).  And I've even tried converting it straight to MP4 using
 Videora and Jodix.
 
 All have been fruitless and out of futility.
 
 Just moments ago (Now that I'm back amongst the online world), I went
 digging and Googling on the web to see if there was a codec and/or
 plugin out there that would work.  The closest thing I found wouldn't
 work with WMP 11 (It was designed when WMP 10 was the order of the
 day).
 
 Given all of this, I am out of places to turn to and am now seeking H
 E L P in resolving the issue.  I'd like to be able to decode/render
 them so I can edit them with Movie Maker as soon as I get that fixed
 and ultimately be able to post my videos from that camera to AMWT TV
 and my political vlog.
 
 Any help you can give me would be appreciated :D
 
 Cheers :D
 
 -- 
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 Denver, Colorado
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 AS MY WORLD TURNS  - http://pchamster.livejournal.com/
 **NEW VLOG** AS MY WORLD TURNS - http://asmyworldturnstv.blogspot.com/
 (Same As Above - Only In Quicktime MP4 format)
 PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/
 PAT'S HEALTH  MEDICAL WONDERS VIDEOCAST -
 http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/
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[videoblogging] Fwd: [cc-licenses] Distribution of picture on the internet in US-law?

2007-10-04 Thread Markus Sandy
hi all,

apologies for those that get this as a cross-post from cc-license  
mailing list, but this is interesting follow-up to a story and legal  
case that was discussed in this videoblogging group some time back.

interesting outcome

markus

Begin forwarded message:

 A relatively recent relevant case from New York:

 http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/arts/design/19phot.html?
 ex=1300424400en=f7e05d1e10cf9b14ei=5090partner=rssuserlandemc=rss

 When Erno Nussenzweig, an Orthodox Jew and retired diamond merchant
 from Union City, N.J., saw his picture last year in the exhibition
 catalog, he called his lawyer. And then he sued Mr. diCorcia and
 Pace for exhibiting and publishing the portrait without permission
 and profiting from it financially. The suit sought an injunction to
 halt sales and publication of the photograph, as well as $500,000
 in compensatory damages and $1.5 million in punitive damages.

 The suit was dismissed last month by a New York State Supreme Court
 judge who said that the photographer's right to artistic expression
 trumped the subject's privacy rights. But to many artists, the fact
 that the case went so far is significant.

 The practice of street photography has a long tradition in the
 United States, with documentary and artistic strains, in big cities
 and small towns. Photographers usually must obtain permission to
 photograph on private property — including restaurants and hotel
 lobbies — but the freedom to photograph in public has long been
 taken for granted. And it has had a profound impact on the history
 of the medium. Without it, Lee Friedlander would not have roamed
 the streets of New York photographing strangers, and Walker Evans
 would never have produced his series of subway portraits in the
 1940's.



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[videoblogging] Promote your vlogs on LO-FI SAINT LOUIS

2007-10-04 Thread Bill Streeter
I'm coming up fast on my 200th episode so I thought it would be fun to get some 
videos 
from the community to help celebrate and you can promote your own thing to my 
viewers at 
the same time--sooo if you want send me a 15 sec video saying something like 
congratulations on 200 (or some such) and pitch your own thing or whatever, 
just keep it 
simple and keep it under 15 sec. I'll need them by Wednesday Oct 10th. Email me 
off list if 
you need info on how to send it to me. 

Thanks so much.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: New here

2007-10-04 Thread Irina
erica, send them the link to your videos from PNN!

On 10/3/07, promodprincess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I am on a PC, Heath!

 Schlomo  Jay, Thanks for the link to freevlog, that was helpful!
 One of the tutorial steps is down though, and I think its the one
 that I need the most help with right now, which is #3: Basic Video
 Tips. Any links you can suggest there? I have not even purchased
 a camera yet, so those links would be most appreciated!

 And Irina, I'm blushing! ;) I'm just your average gear-head nerd!


 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
 Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Welcome indeed! ask away! Hopefully you will be using a PC
 instead
  of one of those other machines. ;)
 
  Heath
  http://batmangeek.com
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
 Jay dedman jay.dedman@
  wrote:
  
Hi! Irina recommended that I join this group because you are
 the
  most
knowledgable videoblogging info source around. Thanks! I
 am a
complete video novice and am trying to read up on as much as
 I
  can
before trying to start my own. As of right now, I'm
 starting
  from
scratch on this project, so any tips you have or experiences
 you
  can
share for a new vblogger would be fantastic!
  
   welcome erica.
   As Schlomo said, a good place to start is freevlog.org.
   Once yoou get started, just ask any questions you have.
  
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[videoblogging] oh and this russian guy

2007-10-04 Thread Irina
http://www.superdeluxe.com/sd/artist/eugene_mirman

mark day showed me

who knows eugene?

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