[videoblogging] Re: .mov for ipod?
Its bad practice in theory, but in practice it wont cause a problem under certain realworld conditions. In theory its bad because the structure of a mov is not the same as a mp4, therefore its cleaner and safer to create an actual real mov using the save-as method, its very quick, obviously not quite as fast as renaming an extension. It may not cause a problem too often only because the apps that can play mov's can often handle mp4's as well, and if they look dont make assumptions based on file extension, they'l read the actual contents of the fake mov and treat it liek mp4. An app that assumed it was a real mov could get confused if it expects to see a mov-like structure and gets something slightly different, I dont know if any software actually has that problem in reality. Devices could be more likely to have that problem, although that leads back to the issue someone mentioned about why use mov, why not stick to mp4. The main reason to use mov is if you want one of the extras mov offers, but the ddownside is that there are quite a range of hardware devices and some software that can handle .mp4 but cant handle mov. An exception would be the xbox360 which I was surprised to see played .mov's ok when they added mp4h264 support in an update earlier this year. But for example my nokia phone can play mp4's but not mov's, and the same is probably true of PSP and other devices. So that would be the main reason to contuinue to offer a 320x type sized mp4 as well as a mov version. I do not have figures for how many windows pc's there are out there that have software to play .mp4's installed but nothing that can handle mov's. There will be some. This may or may not become more of a factor in future depending on things like number of itunes users, whether safari on windows catches on, how many mp4-supporting apps hit the mainstream on windows etc. Right now I dont think its a huge issue, and likewise with hardware players, it will only be a small minority of viewers who may lose out based on these issues. Whether its worth worrying about is clearly up the the individual to decide, Ive preached here for a long time about mp4 being a better choice than mov but Ive repeated myself so many times that I dont feel the urge to do it so much these days. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody will probably tell me why this is bad, but you can just rename the file from .m4v to .mov and it works fine. Plays in Quicktime, plays on Ipod, and will be picked up as a .mov by your Feedburner feed generator. For your purposes, you don't need to mess about with converting or resaving as or anything like that. Rupert On 3 Jul 2007, at 21:53, Josh Leo wrote: the reason I want mov's is because my feeds are based off filetype ipod is separated by mov and mv4 HD is separated by MP4. If i wasnt hosting on blip, I could specify the videos for each feed by simply using a different filename prefix but blip changes both the beginning and end of the file name, thus making this impossible. So for now I will have one filetype for ipods and another for HD On 7/3/07, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is why not make them MP4's too, and skip MOV? It's easy to convert MV4's to MP4's just change the file extension. I set compressor up to output ipod comtatible files with the MP4 extension rather than the M4V so they will play back within a browser window without any problems and I don't have to change the file extension manually. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo joshleo@ wrote: I have created two feeds for my vlog an ipod compatible feed of .mov and m4v files and an HD feed of mp4 files I would like to have the ipod compatible files to just be mov's and not m4v's does anyone know how to make a large (like the size i have now of 640x360 .mov file that works on the ipod right now i am just using compressor to make my mv4 i also have visualhub but it doesnt make .mov's -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: .mov for ipod?
Thanks for explaining, Steve. As I understand it, the only reason Josh can't change the iPod file to .mp4 instead of .mov is that is that he's got something (Feedburner possibly?) creating 2 feeds automatically - one regular size/ipod compatible, one HD. The only way his feed generator can recognise which file to put in each feed is by looking at the file extension. And he has to use .mp4 for the HD files, so he needs a different extension (preferably a nicely recognisable Quicktime .mov rather than .mp4) for the regular/ipod files. I think that's what he's saying, anyway. And even though it's not really a .mov, Quicktime and iPods will play an m4v that's been renamed as a .mov - so in practical terms, it should work fine for him if he wants to fake a .mov extension. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/
[videoblogging] Re: .mov for ipod?
If you have quicktime pro, you should be able to open the m4v/mp4 in quicktime, then do a 'save as' 'self contained movie'. This should give you a mov without actually needing to recompress the video or audio again, it just wraps it up in a mov file format. So as long as your m4v/mp4 was ipod compatible, the mov will be too. Doing it that way keeps things simple if you already have an encoding method that is ipod compatible. Avoiding issues like Apple sometimes changing the ipod spec, and for example the issue where theres no option to manually select baseline low complexity (s opposed to standard baseline) in qt, making it hard to manually create m4vs/mp4s of 640x that are compatible, making the 'uses apple ipod presets' the safer choice if compatibility is a must. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have created two feeds for my vlog an ipod compatible feed of .mov and m4v files and an HD feed of mp4 files I would like to have the ipod compatible files to just be mov's and not m4v's does anyone know how to make a large (like the size i have now of 640x360 .mov file that works on the ipod right now i am just using compressor to make my mv4 i also have visualhub but it doesnt make .mov's -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: .mov for ipod?
cool ill give it a try tonight! On 7/3/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have quicktime pro, you should be able to open the m4v/mp4 in quicktime, then do a 'save as' 'self contained movie'. This should give you a mov without actually needing to recompress the video or audio again, it just wraps it up in a mov file format. So as long as your m4v/mp4 was ipod compatible, the mov will be too. Doing it that way keeps things simple if you already have an encoding method that is ipod compatible. Avoiding issues like Apple sometimes changing the ipod spec, and for example the issue where theres no option to manually select baseline low complexity (s opposed to standard baseline) in qt, making it hard to manually create m4vs/mp4s of 640x that are compatible, making the 'uses apple ipod presets' the safer choice if compatibility is a must. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have created two feeds for my vlog an ipod compatible feed of .mov and m4v files and an HD feed of mp4 files I would like to have the ipod compatible files to just be mov's and not m4v's does anyone know how to make a large (like the size i have now of 640x360 .mov file that works on the ipod right now i am just using compressor to make my mv4 i also have visualhub but it doesnt make .mov's -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: .mov for ipod?
On 7/3/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have quicktime pro, you should be able to open the m4v/mp4 in quicktime, then do a 'save as' 'self contained movie'. This should give you a mov without actually needing to recompress the video or audio again, it just wraps it up in a mov file format. So as long as your m4v/mp4 was ipod compatible, the mov will be too. Doing it that way keeps things simple if you already have an encoding method that is ipod compatible. Yup that's what I've been doing. The cool thing is you can then also have interactive sprite tracks on the .MOV too. The sprite tracks wont sync up to the ipod, but the video/audio will. That way you have an online/interactive MOV that still syncs up for offline viewing to the ipod just fine. - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: .mov for ipod?
My question is why not make them MP4's too, and skip MOV? It's easy to convert MV4's to MP4's just change the file extension. I set compressor up to output ipod comtatible files with the MP4 extension rather than the M4V so they will play back within a browser window without any problems and I don't have to change the file extension manually. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have created two feeds for my vlog an ipod compatible feed of .mov and m4v files and an HD feed of mp4 files I would like to have the ipod compatible files to just be mov's and not m4v's does anyone know how to make a large (like the size i have now of 640x360 .mov file that works on the ipod right now i am just using compressor to make my mv4 i also have visualhub but it doesnt make .mov's -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: .mov for ipod?
the reason I want mov's is because my feeds are based off filetype ipod is separated by mov and mv4 HD is separated by MP4. If i wasnt hosting on blip, I could specify the videos for each feed by simply using a different filename prefix but blip changes both the beginning and end of the file name, thus making this impossible. So for now I will have one filetype for ipods and another for HD On 7/3/07, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is why not make them MP4's too, and skip MOV? It's easy to convert MV4's to MP4's just change the file extension. I set compressor up to output ipod comtatible files with the MP4 extension rather than the M4V so they will play back within a browser window without any problems and I don't have to change the file extension manually. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have created two feeds for my vlog an ipod compatible feed of .mov and m4v files and an HD feed of mp4 files I would like to have the ipod compatible files to just be mov's and not m4v's does anyone know how to make a large (like the size i have now of 640x360 .mov file that works on the ipod right now i am just using compressor to make my mv4 i also have visualhub but it doesnt make .mov's -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: .mov for ipod?
I think there might be a way for you to use whatever file type you'd like for each of the feeds if you base it on role. When you upload the different files for an episode you specify Source or HDTV or Portable (iPod). I think if you based the feeds off the role, it would give you a file-type independent feed. So if you want an HD feed use: http://www.blip.tv/posts/?user=joshleoskin=rssrole=HDTV or for ipod: http://www.blip.tv/posts/?user=joshleoskin=rssrole=Portable%20(iPod) Score one for blip! Hope that helps, -- Kary Rogers http://karyhead.com On Jul 3, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Josh Leo wrote: the reason I want mov's is because my feeds are based off filetype ipod is separated by mov and mv4 HD is separated by MP4. If i wasnt hosting on blip, I could specify the videos for each feed by simply using a different filename prefix but blip changes both the beginning and end of the file name, thus making this impossible. So for now I will have one filetype for ipods and another for HD On 7/3/07, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is why not make them MP4's too, and skip MOV? It's easy to convert MV4's to MP4's just change the file extension. I set compressor up to output ipod comtatible files with the MP4 extension rather than the M4V so they will play back within a browser window without any problems and I don't have to change the file extension manually. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have created two feeds for my vlog an ipod compatible feed of .mov and m4v files and an HD feed of mp4 files I would like to have the ipod compatible files to just be mov's and not m4v's does anyone know how to make a large (like the size i have now of 640x360 .mov file that works on the ipod right now i am just using compressor to make my mv4 i also have visualhub but it doesnt make .mov's -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: .mov for ipod?
Somebody will probably tell me why this is bad, but you can just rename the file from .m4v to .mov and it works fine. Plays in Quicktime, plays on Ipod, and will be picked up as a .mov by your Feedburner feed generator. For your purposes, you don't need to mess about with converting or resaving as or anything like that. Rupert On 3 Jul 2007, at 21:53, Josh Leo wrote: the reason I want mov's is because my feeds are based off filetype ipod is separated by mov and mv4 HD is separated by MP4. If i wasnt hosting on blip, I could specify the videos for each feed by simply using a different filename prefix but blip changes both the beginning and end of the file name, thus making this impossible. So for now I will have one filetype for ipods and another for HD On 7/3/07, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is why not make them MP4's too, and skip MOV? It's easy to convert MV4's to MP4's just change the file extension. I set compressor up to output ipod comtatible files with the MP4 extension rather than the M4V so they will play back within a browser window without any problems and I don't have to change the file extension manually. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have created two feeds for my vlog an ipod compatible feed of .mov and m4v files and an HD feed of mp4 files I would like to have the ipod compatible files to just be mov's and not m4v's does anyone know how to make a large (like the size i have now of 640x360 .mov file that works on the ipod right now i am just using compressor to make my mv4 i also have visualhub but it doesnt make .mov's -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
