Re: [videoblogging] Money will come to you

2009-01-22 Thread Jan McLaughlin
Keep us posted, for sure, Rupert.

Fingers crossed for ya!

Jan

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Rupert rup...@fatgirlinohio.org wrote:
 I'm putting together a project that will hopefully allow people to
 take a share proportional to their investment.
 Basically just a limited partnership profit-share model.

 Robert Croma sent me a great book called My First Movie - interviews
 with famous indie filmmakers about making their first features.
 The first interview is with the Coen's.
 They did this for Blood Simple.  Made a trailer, then spent a year
 going to see small businessmen in NY and Minnesota, getting them to
 invest.  They raised $750,000 this way.  Just a limited partnership,
 with the production company as the general partner.
 Apparently it was the way lots of NY horror movies were made in the
 80s - they got the idea from Sam Raimi, who funded The Evil Dead this
 way, too.

 I figure that if it worked in the 80s, with these two guys travelling
 thousands of miles lugging a 35mm projector around from meeting to
 meeting, it should be even more possible to do now with an internet
 crowdfunding approach (combined with the same old real-world
 presentations to local punters).

 Paying an accountant and a lawyer to set up the legal structure and
 contract/terms is more costly than bunging up a ChipIn widget,
 obviously, and not practical if your budget is very small.  With
 larger budgets and projects, getting the odd $10 ChipIn isn't going
 to cut it - you've got to go out looking for investors.  Even if the
 majority of them are still only putting in $10, it's an extra
 incentive - this way it's not just a philanthropic donation - there's
 actually a (small) chance of a return.  And you can help build trust
 and interest at the same time with total online transparency in your
 production process and budgeting.

 My main shoot for this will be in November - details of the project
 to follow when I'm ready.

 Rupert
 http://twittervlog.tv

 On 21-Jan-09, at 4:27 PM, Jay dedman wrote:

 We cringe and argue about money and videoblogging often on this list.
 (probably because it's important and always in our face)

 Here's an example of community funded media projects:
 http://spot.us/pitches/101
 David Cohn has done a great job making the site usuable.

 I've said before that I think the same thing can happen for anyone's
 videoblog.
 If you are creating video projects that people care about, they will
 fund it.
 You got to hustle just like with anything...but I think it's a great
 alternative to straight up advertising.

 Notice that this is more than a Paypal Button on the sidebar.
 You must actually create a Pitch with a clear explanation of the
 project, who you are, deliverables, a specific monetary goal, and a
 timeframe.

 You probably wont get rich doing this, but you'll make the projects
 you love and building a body of work.
 You'll also know if anyone cares since they'll be putting their money
 where their mouth is.

 Jay

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Re: [videoblogging] Money will come to you

2009-01-22 Thread Rupert
Thanks Rox  Jan :)

We're going to be documenting it all.  If it works, we'll recycle our  
tools, documents  process, and create a package template for other  
people to use.

On 22-Jan-09, at 6:28 AM, Jan McLaughlin wrote:

Keep us posted, for sure, Rupert.

Fingers crossed for ya!

Jan

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Rupert rup...@fatgirlinohio.org  
wrote:
  I'm putting together a project that will hopefully allow people to
  take a share proportional to their investment.
  Basically just a limited partnership profit-share model.
 
  Robert Croma sent me a great book called My First Movie - interviews
  with famous indie filmmakers about making their first features.
  The first interview is with the Coen's.
  They did this for Blood Simple. Made a trailer, then spent a year
  going to see small businessmen in NY and Minnesota, getting them to
  invest. They raised $750,000 this way. Just a limited partnership,
  with the production company as the general partner.
  Apparently it was the way lots of NY horror movies were made in the
  80s - they got the idea from Sam Raimi, who funded The Evil Dead this
  way, too.
 
  I figure that if it worked in the 80s, with these two guys travelling
  thousands of miles lugging a 35mm projector around from meeting to
  meeting, it should be even more possible to do now with an internet
  crowdfunding approach (combined with the same old real-world
  presentations to local punters).
 
  Paying an accountant and a lawyer to set up the legal structure and
  contract/terms is more costly than bunging up a ChipIn widget,
  obviously, and not practical if your budget is very small. With
  larger budgets and projects, getting the odd $10 ChipIn isn't going
  to cut it - you've got to go out looking for investors. Even if the
  majority of them are still only putting in $10, it's an extra
  incentive - this way it's not just a philanthropic donation - there's
  actually a (small) chance of a return. And you can help build trust
  and interest at the same time with total online transparency in your
  production process and budgeting.
 
  My main shoot for this will be in November - details of the project
  to follow when I'm ready.
 
  Rupert
  http://twittervlog.tv
 
  On 21-Jan-09, at 4:27 PM, Jay dedman wrote:
 
  We cringe and argue about money and videoblogging often on this list.
  (probably because it's important and always in our face)
 
  Here's an example of community funded media projects:
  http://spot.us/pitches/101
  David Cohn has done a great job making the site usuable.
 
  I've said before that I think the same thing can happen for anyone's
  videoblog.
  If you are creating video projects that people care about, they will
  fund it.
  You got to hustle just like with anything...but I think it's a great
  alternative to straight up advertising.
 
  Notice that this is more than a Paypal Button on the sidebar.
  You must actually create a Pitch with a clear explanation of the
  project, who you are, deliverables, a specific monetary goal, and a
  timeframe.
 
  You probably wont get rich doing this, but you'll make the projects
  you love and building a body of work.
  You'll also know if anyone cares since they'll be putting their money
  where their mouth is.
 
  Jay
 
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[videoblogging] Money will come to you

2009-01-21 Thread Jay dedman
We cringe and argue about money and videoblogging often on this list.
(probably because it's important and always in our face)

Here's an example of community funded media projects:
http://spot.us/pitches/101
David Cohn has done a great job making the site usuable.

I've said before that I think the same thing can happen for anyone's videoblog.
If you are creating video projects that people care about, they will fund it.
You got to hustle just like with anything...but I think it's a great
alternative to straight up advertising.

Notice that this is more than a Paypal Button on the sidebar.
You must actually create a Pitch with a clear explanation of the
project, who you are, deliverables, a specific monetary goal, and a
timeframe.

You probably wont get rich doing this, but you'll make the projects
you love and building a body of work.
You'll also know if anyone cares since they'll be putting their money
where their mouth is.

Jay

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http://jaydedman.com
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Re: [videoblogging] Money will come to you

2009-01-21 Thread Rupert
I'm putting together a project that will hopefully allow people to  
take a share proportional to their investment.
Basically just a limited partnership profit-share model.

Robert Croma sent me a great book called My First Movie - interviews  
with famous indie filmmakers about making their first features.
The first interview is with the Coen's.
They did this for Blood Simple.  Made a trailer, then spent a year  
going to see small businessmen in NY and Minnesota, getting them to  
invest.  They raised $750,000 this way.  Just a limited partnership,  
with the production company as the general partner.
Apparently it was the way lots of NY horror movies were made in the  
80s - they got the idea from Sam Raimi, who funded The Evil Dead this  
way, too.

I figure that if it worked in the 80s, with these two guys travelling  
thousands of miles lugging a 35mm projector around from meeting to  
meeting, it should be even more possible to do now with an internet  
crowdfunding approach (combined with the same old real-world  
presentations to local punters).

Paying an accountant and a lawyer to set up the legal structure and  
contract/terms is more costly than bunging up a ChipIn widget,  
obviously, and not practical if your budget is very small.  With  
larger budgets and projects, getting the odd $10 ChipIn isn't going  
to cut it - you've got to go out looking for investors.  Even if the  
majority of them are still only putting in $10, it's an extra  
incentive - this way it's not just a philanthropic donation - there's  
actually a (small) chance of a return.  And you can help build trust  
and interest at the same time with total online transparency in your  
production process and budgeting.

My main shoot for this will be in November - details of the project  
to follow when I'm ready.

Rupert
http://twittervlog.tv

On 21-Jan-09, at 4:27 PM, Jay dedman wrote:

We cringe and argue about money and videoblogging often on this list.
(probably because it's important and always in our face)

Here's an example of community funded media projects:
http://spot.us/pitches/101
David Cohn has done a great job making the site usuable.

I've said before that I think the same thing can happen for anyone's  
videoblog.
If you are creating video projects that people care about, they will  
fund it.
You got to hustle just like with anything...but I think it's a great
alternative to straight up advertising.

Notice that this is more than a Paypal Button on the sidebar.
You must actually create a Pitch with a clear explanation of the
project, who you are, deliverables, a specific monetary goal, and a
timeframe.

You probably wont get rich doing this, but you'll make the projects
you love and building a body of work.
You'll also know if anyone cares since they'll be putting their money
where their mouth is.

Jay

-- 
http://ryanishungry.com
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790



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Re: [videoblogging] Money will come to you

2009-01-21 Thread Jay dedman
 Robert Croma sent me a great book called My First Movie - interviews
 with famous indie filmmakers about making their first features.
 The first interview is with the Coen's.
 They did this for Blood Simple. Made a trailer, then spent a year
 going to see small businessmen in NY and Minnesota, getting them to
 invest. They raised $750,000 this way. Just a limited partnership,
 with the production company as the general partner.
 Apparently it was the way lots of NY horror movies were made in the
 80s - they got the idea from Sam Raimi, who funded The Evil Dead this
 way, too.

I read that in the US, there was a tax break for giving to artistic
projects for a while.
Dentists used to be big funders of indie movies for some reason.
wished this tax break still existed.

 My main shoot for this will be in November - details of the project
 to follow when I'm ready.

Look forward to seeing it.
The obnoxious crowdsourcing meme is in the air...but few have really
pulled it off effectively.
Videobloggers especially havent tapped into this idea yet.

Jay

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Re: [videoblogging] Money will come to you

2009-01-21 Thread Roxanne Darling
I find it really hard to aggregate the energies of creative people - if
anyone can do this it is you Rupert!
I will be plugging for you. :-)

Love,
Rox


On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com wrote:

Robert Croma sent me a great book called My First Movie - interviews
  with famous indie filmmakers about making their first features.
  The first interview is with the Coen's.
  They did this for Blood Simple. Made a trailer, then spent a year
  going to see small businessmen in NY and Minnesota, getting them to
  invest. They raised $750,000 this way. Just a limited partnership,
  with the production company as the general partner.
  Apparently it was the way lots of NY horror movies were made in the
  80s - they got the idea from Sam Raimi, who funded The Evil Dead this
  way, too.

 I read that in the US, there was a tax break for giving to artistic
 projects for a while.
 Dentists used to be big funders of indie movies for some reason.
 wished this tax break still existed.

  My main shoot for this will be in November - details of the project
  to follow when I'm ready.

 Look forward to seeing it.
 The obnoxious crowdsourcing meme is in the air...but few have really
 pulled it off effectively.
 Videobloggers especially havent tapped into this idea yet.

 Jay

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 http://jaydedman.com
 917 371 6790

  




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Re: [videoblogging] Money will come to you

2009-01-21 Thread Adam Warner
aggregate the energies of creative people

Rox, if only I could aggregate the creative people feed...

...if only...



 
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From: Roxanne Darling oke...@gmail.com
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:25:27 PM
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Money will come to you


I find it really hard to aggregate the energies of creative people - if
anyone can do this it is you Rupert!
I will be plugging for you. :-)

Love,
Rox

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail. com wrote:

Robert Croma sent me a great book called My First Movie - interviews
  with famous indie filmmakers about making their first features.
  The first interview is with the Coen's.
  They did this for Blood Simple. Made a trailer, then spent a year
  going to see small businessmen in NY and Minnesota, getting them to
  invest. They raised $750,000 this way. Just a limited partnership,
  with the production company as the general partner.
  Apparently it was the way lots of NY horror movies were made in the
  80s - they got the idea from Sam Raimi, who funded The Evil Dead this
  way, too.

 I read that in the US, there was a tax break for giving to artistic
 projects for a while.
 Dentists used to be big funders of indie movies for some reason.
 wished this tax break still existed.

  My main shoot for this will be in November - details of the project
  to follow when I'm ready.

 Look forward to seeing it.
 The obnoxious crowdsourcing meme is in the air...but few have really
 pulled it off effectively.
 Videobloggers especially havent tapped into this idea yet.

 Jay

 --
 http://ryanishungry .com
 http://jaydedman. com
 917 371 6790

 


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RE: [videoblogging] money

2007-10-03 Thread Kfir Pravda
Not sure about that, but this is one of my favorite shows.

*sent from handheld

Kfir Pravda

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Subject: [videoblogging] money

do u think they just paid for this out of pocket

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Re: [videoblogging] money

2007-10-03 Thread Brook Hinton
Based on one episode (the one with the old school friend and the birthday
party) I don't see anything that indicates they COULDN'T have paid for it
out of pocket. They thank Art Institute, NYC so they may be getting
equipment through a connection there, or just have it: nothing here requires
more than a DV camera, a good mic on a boom feeding a camera a second
recorder, a small light kit (if that, and the lighting is pretty odd), and
editing software. They may have more than that, they may not.  It *is* more
competently edited and acted then most sitcom-via-videoblog stuff I've seen.

What would drive it into the budget (as opposed to no budget) category would
be if the people are being paid.

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[videoblogging] Money to be made Geovlogging local companies!?

2006-05-26 Thread Mike Moon



We've been talking lately about how vloggers could raise funds or make
money. As a vlogger, I have the knowledge, equipment and abilities to
put video on the internet. 

I'm tossing around the idea of approaching local buisnesses with an
oportunity for them to be leading edge into the world of geovlogging.
Hire me and I could go into their bar, hotel or shop, be my Joe
Public, shoot some vid, put it on the web, and tada... $$$. 

Any thoughts on the idea? 

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[videoblogging] Money for vlogging

2006-05-25 Thread francisco_daum



I saw the generosity of the vlogging community and this is something I had to share!

http://www.charitynavigator.org/

It's an independent evaluator of charities.

My personal faves:
Amnesty
Save the Children
Doctors Without Borders

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[videoblogging] Money Talk

2005-08-11 Thread LeanBackVids.com




Can everyone move the business/money talk over to the
videobloggingbusiness group?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videobloggingbusiness/

It gets tiring reading about everyone's hopes to cash in on vlogging.
 The funny part is that 99% of us will never see a dime from our
vlogs. Most of us don't vlog for the hope of money, and all of us
agree that it would be a nice to get paid. The fact is that this just
isn't reality, especially since most of us don't get shit for traffic.

I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but someone has to crush the
dream.

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Re: [videoblogging] Money Talk

2005-08-11 Thread Clint Sharp






LeanBackVids.com wrote:

Can everyone move the business/money talk over to the
"videobloggingbusiness" group?
  
  
No, at this point that's unnecessary. It amazes me that people
subscribe to high volume mailing lists but ask for people to not talk
about certain things, expecting that only the stuff they're interested
in should come down the pipe. A month ago people were asking for
everyone to stop talking about the definition of vlogging. Money is
just the flavor of the month.

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Re: [videoblogging] Money Talk

2005-08-11 Thread Steve Garfield




I vote no.

On Aug 11, 2005, at 1:47 PM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:

 Can everyone move the business/money talk over to the
 videobloggingbusiness group?

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videobloggingbusiness/

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Re: [videoblogging] Money Changers, out!

2005-07-16 Thread David Yirchott




Charles,
I am as much confused by this post as I am by the cluetrain website...

You wrote:
The corporate culture is smarmy. It's press releases written in 
impenetrable
jargon

And then, you wrote:
None of them are
screwball idealists dreaming of a breatharian diet. What they and I are 
against
is the plastic scent of institutional alienation.

Is that the new clear?

I checked out cluetrain.com, and maybe it is me, but for a site about clear 
communication I am not exactly sure what they are attempting to convey. Most 
everything seems a bit obvious or non-sensical.

The site derides corporations for talking down to people then lists 95 (IMO: 
mostly obvious and/or redundant statements -- okay, in honesty I only made 
it through 45 before I got bored) things such as:
The Internet is enabling conversations among human beings that were simply 
not possible in the era of mass media.

If, as you said:
The users are demanding it with their feet and dollars.

Then, trust me, the corporations will follow. That's the beauty of our 
system and shows that it works.

Anyway, as you stated:
corporate culture is
hopelessly, cravenly conformist

Which I agree with. So there isn't anything to be upset about. It'll always 
conform to the will of the people. I think someone previously mentioned an 
amorphous revolution -- the overthrow of nothing. I am not trying to stir up 
trouble, but I am honestly not sure what I am missing here.

-David




From: Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Money Changers, out!
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:40:50 -0400

Deirdre Straughan wrote:
  Call off your old, tired labels. Speaking as a suit (I even wear one,
  sometimes) and a certified MBA, can we please dump the old corporate
  = evil equation? After all, many human beings are employed by -
  hello! - corporations


I am distinguishing corporate culture from the quest for profit.

The corporate culture is smarmy. It's press releases written in 
impenetrable
jargon, advertisements that are laughably campy, and all the pomp and
circumstance that corporations throw up exactly to HIDE the fact that they 
are
filled with human beings. And the customers are getting sick of it.

What's more, I predict that the honest, open businesses are going to drive 
out
the old school. The users are demanding it with their feet and dollars. 
Take a
look at the Cluetrain Manifesto at http://www.cluetrain.com/. With the
internet, it's impossible to avoid a bad reputation. And corporate culture 
is
hopelessly, cravenly conformist, and just as many in the NYC financial
community started to wear khakis because khaki-wearing geeks were making 
money,
they will faddishly adopt this too.

(Can they succeed? Adapt or die. But you can't fake the funk. This is a 
topic
for a different thread.)

But if you remain in the old ways without a clue, you'd better count every
dollar you make because they're all numbered like barrels of oil from here 
on
out. The people on this list are not against making money. None of them are
screwball idealists dreaming of a breatharian diet. What they and I are 
against
is the plastic scent of institutional alienation.

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Re: [videoblogging] Money Changers, out!

2005-07-16 Thread Charles HOPE




David Yirchott wrote:

 Which I agree with. So there isn't anything to be upset about. It'll always
 conform to the will of the people. I think someone previously mentioned an
 amorphous revolution -- the overthrow of nothing. I am not trying to 
 stir up
 trouble, but I am honestly not sure what I am missing here.


The Cluetrain people blew their content up to 95 Theses to mirror what Luther 
nailed to that church door a while back. I'm not sure I agree with that 
specific gimmick. You might find the Hughtrain Manifesto 
http://www.gapingvoid.com/Moveable_Type/archives/000823.html more accessible.

You seem to understand and agree with everything I'm saying, but then express 
confusion. I'm not sure I know where the disconnect or dispute is.



  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Money Changers, out!

2005-07-16 Thread David Yirchott




Frank said:
However, in reality, it's often much simpler (i.e more profitable) for
an organization to adapt public opinion to suit its needs, rather than
adapting the organization to meet the whims of the public.

True, but as long as both needs meet up in the end, both sides are happy. If 
not a little deluded. :)

-David



From: Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Money Changers, out!
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:46:30 +0100

Saturday, July 16, 2005, 7:53:12 PM, David Yirchott wrote:

Some interesting thoughts, most of which I can see the sense of, but
one bit worried me:

  Anyway, as you stated:
corporate culture is
 hopelessly, cravenly conformist

  Which I agree with. So there isn't anything to be upset about. It'll 
always
  conform to the will of the people.

I think this is how it works _in theory_. After all, t's the basis of
the capitalism = democracy argument.

However, in reality, it's often much simpler (i.e more profitable) for
an organization to adapt public opinion to suit its needs, rather than
adapting the organization to meet the whims of the public.

When was the last time you saw an advertisment that just told you the
raw details of a product or service instead of trying to make you want
something?

--
Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk






  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Money Changers, out!

2005-07-16 Thread Deirdre Straughan




On 7/16/05, Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 However, in reality, it's often much simpler (i.e more profitable) for
 an organization to adapt public opinion to suit its needs, rather than
 adapting the organization to meet the whims of the public.

Actually, that's not so simple. First you have to spend a couple of
generations gutting (or never building) your education system, so that
people educated in public schools are as close as possible to mindless
sheep. THEN you can mold their opinions to suit your needs.


-- 
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Deirdré Straughan

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Re: [videoblogging] Money Changers, out!

2005-07-16 Thread Charles HOPE




Deirdre Straughan wrote:
 On 7/16/05, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  What's more, I predict that the honest, open businesses are going to 
 drive out
  the old school. The users are demanding it with their feet and 
 dollars. Take a
  look at the Cluetrain Manifesto at http://www.cluetrain.com/.
 
 Been there, been that. 
 http://www.straughan.com/whatido/onlinemarketing.html


How fascinating to participate in a flamewar where all the combatants agree.



  




  
  
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