Re: [Marketing] Re: [Developer-portal] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Justin W. Flory]

Hi all,

The Fedora Globalization (G11n) team would probably be the best points
of contact for this. I'm not sure on the specifics, but I believe Zanata
is the tool that would be needed.

I am including the G11n list on this reply. More info at the following
links:

* Wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N
* IRC: #fedora-g11n
* Mailing list:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n.lists.fedoraproject.org/
* Zanata: http://fedora.zanata.org/

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On 04/28/2016 07:45 AM, Petr Hracek wrote:
> Hi Jean-Baptiste,
> 
> it seems, we have first candidate for translation [1].
> Especially Spanish.
> Although I have mentioned, Fedora Developer Portal should be only in
> English, I have to be more open.
> 
> In case, folks are interested to have portal in several languages we
> have to do it. Definitely.
> 
> You mentioned tools like Zanata and Fedora Foundation.
> 
> Whom shall we contact?
> 
> What should be next steps for initiate translation Fedora Developer
> Portal to other languages.
> Like Czech;)
> 
> Shall we create a ticket somewhere?
> 
> [1] https://github.com/developer-portal/content/issues/131
> 
> On 04/22/2016 12:26 PM, Jean-Baptiste wrote:
>> Quote : "Out of the six billion people in the world, only 339 million
>> have English as a first language [3]."
>> https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/translate-fedora-24-in-your-language/
>>
>> Most programming languages are english based, because it's presently
>> the easiest language to collaborate. They are still thousands of
>> website that explain and give tutorial in local languages.
>>
>> Same for Fedora, and we still translate softwares, websites and
>> documentations.
>>
>> "Software developpement" is more and more common, we slowly teach it
>> from elementary schools. We should not restrict access to information.
>> Even fedora budget is translatable, why would we like to translate
>> that kind of website as working language in Fedora is english ?
>>
>> Fedora Developer Portal is build half way between communication
>> website and Fedora documentation. Both is relevant to be translatable
>> and helps to reach more users.
>>
>> Fedora Developer Portal is no exception with any of the work of Fedora
>> Websites or Docs Project. It would rather use community tools :
>> pagure/fedorahosted/bugzilla/Zanata, and respect Fedora Foundations,
>> including Freedom by not using google analytics or promote usage of
>> github.
>>
>> If you can't make it translatable because of time, it's a thing, but
>> if you don't because you haven't thought at it or don't see the point,
>> it's a problem. The Websites and Docs projects have both experience in
>> this and may help for tools. L10N team can help to explain what works
>> well or not.
>>
>> Please don't close the door to localization.
>> You said 6 month ago you waited to have more feedback. If you go too
>> far, the cost to include it will be too high.
>> Please think about it for fedora-hubs too.
>>
>> Note : https://techbase.kde.org is translatable, same for
>> https://developer.gnome.org/languages
>>
>> Le 2016-04-22 08:50, Robert Mayr a écrit :
>>
>>> Ok, I'm fine with that. I was just bringing up a question we
>>> discussed time ago and I'm asked sometimes by L10n folks. Thanks for
>>> confirming it. Regards. Robert
>>>
>>> 2016-04-22 8:35 GMT+02:00 Petr Hracek :
>>>
 Hi Robert,

 I guess, developer portal should be only in English.
 Many developer documentation are in English, like Python, Perl, Ruby.

 Regards
 Petr

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Re: [Marketing] Re: [Developer-portal] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Zoltan Hoppar]

I think this developer portal will be key for us, and there is a place
for a developer hub for projects aka earlier fedora hosted. IMHO
Fedora Hosted .next should be something like a kickstart portal, just
for softwares. If we are able to our community run software startups,
host them, and even besides the description would be cool to openly,
visibly look for specified coders, designers and so on.

Z

2016-04-27 20:22 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller :
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 08:35:57AM +0200, Petr Hracek wrote:
>> I guess, developer portal should be only in English.
>> Many developer documentation are in English, like Python, Perl, Ruby.
>
> If people are interested in working on it, though, having non-English intro
> pages might bring more people into Fedora.
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Re: [Marketing] Re: [Developer-portal] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Robert Mayr]

2016-04-28 15:27 GMT+02:00 Justin W. Flory :

> Hi all,
>
> The Fedora Globalization (G11n) team would probably be the best points
> of contact for this. I'm not sure on the specifics, but I believe Zanata
> is the tool that would be needed.
>
> I am including the G11n list on this reply. More info at the following
> links:
>
> * Wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N
> * IRC: #fedora-g11n
> * Mailing list:
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n.lists.fedoraproject.org/
> * Zanata: http://fedora.zanata.org/
>
> Hope this helps.
>
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> Justin W. Flory
> jflo...@gmail.com
>
>
No this is an Infra task, not G11n. The developer portal actually is on a
cloud instance, and it needs to bet set up to pull files from Zanata and
build the pages for all languages.
We need to create the project and to create the source file, do the markup
and push it out to Zanata. Then L10n teams can translate it in all
languages.

@Petr: could you file an Infra ticket for this? Also, you will probably
need a ULS somewhere, you can take also the websites one if you like.

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Re: [Marketing] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 08:57:16AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> There's a lightly used list called logistics@ that was originally
> intended to allow contributors from multiple teams to have a
> discussion concerning all involved without cross posting.

Huh. Since the list has no description, I always just assumed that it
was about coordinating shipping and things like that.


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Re: [Developer-portal] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Robert Mayr]

Ok, I'm fine with that. I was just bringing up a question we discussed time
ago and I'm asked sometimes by L10n folks.
Thanks for confirming it.
Regards.
Robert

2016-04-22 8:35 GMT+02:00 Petr Hracek :

> Hi Robert,
>
> I guess, developer portal should be only in English.
> Many developer documentation are in English, like Python, Perl, Ruby.
>
> Regards
> Petr
>
>
> On 04/21/2016 07:54 PM, Adam Samalik wrote:
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> the update does not include I18n.
> Using it is not on our plan - but that doesn't mean we don't want it. We
> just didn't think about it. If you want to help us with it, I will be
> more than happy to have it. But I'm not sure how it would work with all the
> content. Especially in terms of contributing.
>
> Adam
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Robert Mayr 
> wrote:
>
>> 2016-04-20 18:53 GMT+02:00 Joe Brockmeier < 
>> j...@redhat.com>:
>>
>>> On 04/20/2016 12:52 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
>>> > This might also be interesting for Docs people.
>>> >
>>> How can we have these sorts of conversations without the multi-list
>>> problem?
>>>
>>> There are several discussions that ought to involve marketing, docs,
>>> design, etc. We definitely need to remove barriers to communications
>>> here.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
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>> Hi Adam,
>> not sure where my reply passes and where not (I'm not subscribed to any
>> ML), but:
>>
>> Does the update also include I18n? The developer portal is somewhere in
>> between websites and Infra, so if you consider to add this too, you
>> probably need to create and push the source file to Zanata.
>> Or is this a plan for further releases?
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Re: [Developer-portal] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Petr Hracek]

Hi Robert,

I guess, developer portal should be only in English.
Many developer documentation are in English, like Python, Perl, Ruby.

Regards
Petr

On 04/21/2016 07:54 PM, Adam Samalik wrote:

Hi Robert,

the update does not include I18n.
Using it is not on our plan - but that doesn't mean we don't want it. 
We just didn't think about it. If you want to help us with it, I will 
be more than happy to have it. But I'm not sure how it would work with 
all the content. Especially in terms of contributing.


Adam

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Robert Mayr 
> wrote:


2016-04-20 18:53 GMT+02:00 Joe Brockmeier >:

On 04/20/2016 12:52 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
> This might also be interesting for Docs people.
>
How can we have these sorts of conversations without the
multi-list problem?

There are several discussions that ought to involve marketing,
docs,
design, etc. We definitely need to remove barriers to
communications here.

Best,

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Hi Adam,
not sure where my reply passes and where not (I'm not subscribed
to any ML), but:

Does the update also include I18n? The developer portal is
somewhere in between websites and Infra, so if you consider to add
this too, you probably need to create and push the source file to
Zanata.
Or is this a plan for further releases?

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Re: [Developer-portal] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Adam Samalik]

Hi Robert,

the update does not include I18n.
Using it is not on our plan - but that doesn't mean we don't want it. We
just didn't think about it. If you want to help us with it, I will be more
than happy to have it. But I'm not sure how it would work with all the
content. Especially in terms of contributing.

Adam

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Robert Mayr 
wrote:

> 2016-04-20 18:53 GMT+02:00 Joe Brockmeier :
>
>> On 04/20/2016 12:52 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
>> > This might also be interesting for Docs people.
>> >
>> How can we have these sorts of conversations without the multi-list
>> problem?
>>
>> There are several discussions that ought to involve marketing, docs,
>> design, etc. We definitely need to remove barriers to communications here.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> jzb
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> Hi Adam,
> not sure where my reply passes and where not (I'm not subscribed to any
> ML), but:
>
> Does the update also include I18n? The developer portal is somewhere in
> between websites and Infra, so if you consider to add this too, you
> probably need to create and push the source file to Zanata.
> Or is this a plan for further releases?
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Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Nadim Kobeissi]

Website changes look really great.

I also appreciate the general design philosophy behind the site and wonder if 
the same could be pushed to the rest of Fedora websites (eg. getfedora) at some 
time in the future. It seems more polished generally speaking.

Nadim


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On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 12:53:44PM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> On 04/20/2016 12:52 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
> > This might also be interesting for Docs people.
> >
> How can we have these sorts of conversations without the multi-list problem?
>
> There are several discussions that ought to involve marketing, docs,
> design, etc. We definitely need to remove barriers to communications here.

There's a lightly used list called logistics@ that was originally
intended to allow contributors from multiple teams to have a
discussion concerning all involved without cross posting.

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Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 12:53:44PM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> On 04/20/2016 12:52 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
> > This might also be interesting for Docs people.
> > 
> How can we have these sorts of conversations without the multi-list problem?
> 
> There are several discussions that ought to involve marketing, docs,
> design, etc. We definitely need to remove barriers to communications here.

There's a lightly used list called logistics@ that was originally
intended to allow contributors from multiple teams to have a
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Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Joe Brockmeier]

On 04/20/2016 12:52 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
> This might also be interesting for Docs people.
> 
How can we have these sorts of conversations without the multi-list problem?

There are several discussions that ought to involve marketing, docs,
design, etc. We definitely need to remove barriers to communications here.

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Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Pete Travis]

This might also be interesting for Docs people.

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Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Adam Samalik]

Hello Everyone,

we have prepared a new release of Fedora Developer Portal, and we would
like to hear your feedback before pushing it into production. If everything
goes fine, we would like to make the release on Monday, April 25th.

This email is the first of its kind. I would like to send it every time
before release - to make sure, that we involve everyone who might be
interested. This time, I have also cc-ed 'websites' and 'devel' lists. All
future emails about new releases will go to the 'developer-portal' mailing
list only.


Current version: https://developer.fedoraproject.org/
New release in staging: https://developer.stg.fedoraproject.org/


What's new:

1) Design
- refreshed look with more uniform layout
- images in the header have been compressed

2) 'Edit this page' button on every page
- clicking this button gets you to the github repo, where you can edit
the content directly in your web browser and submit a pull-request

3) Including empty pages
   - pages are shown with 'help needed' badge
   - goal of this is to encourage people/make it easier to contribute
content

4) Start section
   - including guides about Arduino and mobile applications using Google
Android Studio

5) Share your knowledge banner on each page
   - with link to our contributing guides:
https://developer-portal.github.io/

6) Using Google Analytics
   - disabled 'demographics and interest reports'
   - disabled 'enhanced link attribution'
   - disabled 'remarketing'
   - disabled 'advertising reporting features'
   - basically, I want to use it only to track views and to see what is
most popular


I welcome any feedback or comments.

Thank you!
Have a great day,
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