[Wikimedia-l] Invitation to a "Wikimedia Café" casual online meetup

[Pine W]

Hi folks,

Based on comments that I received on Wikimedia-l, I would like to invite
people to a casual online meetup one hour before the monthly WMF Metrics
and Activities Meeting.

There will be no set agenda. You can come with questions or ideas that you
would like to discuss. Please be willing to listen to questions and ideas
from other Wikimedians.

I will host the meeting with the Zoom software. You can join with software
or by using your phone. If you join by phone then your phone number will be
visible to other participants.

The primary language of the meeting will be English, but if people would
like to communicate in diverse languages then that is okay too. We can
facilitate translation by text chat. Many Wikimedians, myself included, are
multilingual in varying degrees, so we might try to have live
interpretation also.

Here is information about how to connect:

Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/136978210

Or iPhone one-tap :
Argentina: +543415122188,,136978210#
Or Telephone:
Dial (for higher quality, dial a number based on your current
location):
Argentina: +54 341 512 2188
Australia: +61 (0) 2 8015 2088  or +61 (0) 8 7150 1149
Canada: +1 647 558 0588
Hong Kong, China: +852 5808 6088
France: +33 (0) 1 8288 0188  or +33 (0) 7 5678 4048
Germany: +49 (0) 30 3080 6188  or +49 (0) 30 5679 5800
Israel: +972 (0) 3 978 6688
Italy: +39 069 480 6488
Japan: +81 (0) 3 4578 1488  or +81 524 564 439
Mexico: +52 229 910 0061  or +52 554 161 4288
Spain: +34 84 368 5025  or +34 91 198 0188
Sweden: +46 (0) 7 6692 0434  or +46 (0) 8 4468 2488
Russia: +7 495 283 9788
United Kingdom: +44 (0) 20 3051 2874  or +44 (0) 20 3695 0088
US: +1 408 638 0986  or +1 646 558 8665
Meeting ID: 136 978 210
International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/ekaPibJIy

The first "Wikimedia Café" meetup will be on 30 August 2018, at 17:00 UTC /
10:00 Pacific.

Let me emphasize that the environment won't be like this
,
so please don't feel intimated if you are nervous about public speaking.
(If a conversation feels to me like it is becoming uncivil or intimidating,
then I will ask the debaters to quiet themselves or to move to somewhere
else.) The meeting will generally have an environment that is more like this
 or
this
.
I anticipate that few people will come, which is okay. I hope that if you
come then you will enjoy the environment and conversation.

Until next time,
Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

[masti]

You forgot Discord
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discord_(software)

that used to be a voice app but has a very nice text feauters also

masti

On 09.08.2018 06:40, mathieu lovato stumpf guntz wrote:

Hello,

Following a discussion on a Wikisource Telegram group, I searched a 
bit about mastodon and Wikimedia, and I found back this current 
thread[1] as well as the following


- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198363
  - pointing to 
https://mastodon.technology/@danielhglus/100278498498332671
    - evoking a conversation on WP:VPIL, that is actually (most 
likely) refering to 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)/Archive_25#Mastodon_instance?

- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_media
- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_networking

I was initially looking for something able to do at least the same as 
Telegram groups, with at least the same cross-devices ease of use. 
With what I played so far on Mastodon, I don't think it would fulfill 
the same feature set as Telegram, but I was already suggested a few 
other solution to further this inquiry:


- Signal https://signal.org/ 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software) 

- Ring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_(software) 

- Wire https://wire.com https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_(software) 


- Tox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tox_%28protocol%29
- Matrix http://matrix.org/ 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(communication_protocol) 



My experience with the two former don't make feel like they could be 
used for the same purpose as Telegram. I still have to check the three 
later, but please be bold with any feedback and complementary ideas 
you might have on this topic.


Although Mastodon doesn't seem to be what I was looking for at start, 
I do think it would be great to launch a Wikimedia instance and 
completely in phase with the aim of becoming an essential 
infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge. So let me know if I 
can help in any way on this regard. :)


Cheers.


[1] 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2018-April/089977.html



Le 11/04/2018 à 11:17, Quim Gil a écrit :
(These are personal opinions based on my own personal interest in 
free and

volunteer-driven social networks, not an opinion as a WMF member.)

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:46 AM, Leinonen Teemu 
wrote:


Hi,

I have been looking for social networking service that would be 
fair: not
abusing personal data, funded by community, respecting privacy, 
accepting
anonymity, free/libre/ open source etc. Haven’t found many. The 
Diaspora*
Project[1] is not moving forward very fast and the Mastodon[2] is 
more a

microblogging service rather than a social network service.

Can it be that the difference between "microblogging service" and 
"social
network" might be too subtle and subjective to be noticed by the 
majority

of their users? And for the problem you are presenting here?


Would it make sense for Wikimedia movement to build its own social 
network

service?

Depends on what you mean by "build". If you mean create the software 
for a
new social network service, I don't think it makes sense. Providing 
support

and development of multilingual wiki projects
 to collect and 
develop

educational content to empower and engage people around the world is
already a daunting task in terms of software development, and there 
is so

much to do.

If you mean to run the software developed by someone else, sure, why not
experimenting. Thanks to free software licenses anyone can try, and 
thanks
to Wikimedia trademarks licenses I am sure a decent solution could be 
found

by whoever wants to run this experiment.


In the "2017 Movement strategy” we state: “By 2030, Wikimedia will 
become

the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge”. If we
consider discussions and information shared on social network 
services to

be “knowledge”, I think we should have a role in here too.

With some caveats and observations, I agree on the principle, just 
not on
the implication that this means we need to create a free social 
network for
us from scratch, starting with a first line of code. If we consider 
social
networks useful, and free social networks the right and consistent 
thing to
use in an ecosystem of free knowledge, then the first step can be as 
simple
as opening a Mastodon instance. Dozens (hundreds) of volunteers 
(including

amateur sysadmins) are doing just that without much discussion, just
scratching their own itch, or for fun, or to learn, or to experiment...


We have 33 million registered users and fulfil all the requirements of
being a “fair service”. A minimum list of features to make Wikimedia 
Social

would be:

(1) Status 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

[Gergő Tisza]

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 6:40 AM mathieu lovato stumpf guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:

> - Matrix http://matrix.org/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(communication_protocol)
> 
>
> My experience with the two former don't make feel like they could be
> used for the same purpose as Telegram. I still have to check the three
> later, but please be bold with any feedback and complementary ideas you
> might have on this topic.
>

You might be interested in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T186061
although it's not really related to the topic of this thread as Matrix is a
chat network, not a social network (but then so is Telegram). The
project could definitely use more testers.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing launch of Santali Language Wikipedia

[Eileen Hershenov]

This is wonderful!  Congratulations all around!

Eileen Hershenov

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On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 7:48 AM, Ali Haidar Khan  wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> We are very pleased to announce the launch of Santali Language Wikipedia (
> https://sat.wikipedia.org). The site has been launched on August 2, 2018
> and, after the import of pages from Wikimedia Incubator and some
> maintenance work, it’s now open for all. Santali Language’s own alphabet,
> Ol Chiki, has been used as the alphabet of this Wikipedia. Santali is
> a language in the Munda subfamily of Austroasiatic languages, spoken by
> around 7.4 million people in South Asia (Bangladesh, India and Nepal).
>
> This is a very special moment for us and has been made possible because of
> the joint effort by Santali Language Wikipedian’s from Bangladesh, India
> and Nepal. Wikimedia Bangladesh and Bangla Wikimedia Community
> congratulates the Santali Language Community for their accomplishment and
> are honored to be a part of this tremendous achievement. Manik Soren, a
> dedicated Santali Wikipedian from Bangladesh, along with some very active
> Santali Language Wikipedians from Bangladesh and India has been
> instrumental in this effort. We would also like to thank Shabab Mustafa,
> President of Wikimedia Bangladesh and Nahid Sultan, a very active steward
> and Secretary of Wikimedia Bangladesh, for coordinating the effort in
> Bangladesh and Odia Wikimedians User Group for coordinating the effort in
> India.
>
> It is worth mentioning that the process of creating a Santali Language
> Wikipedia began in 2012 and, later on, got momentum in February, 2017. Back
> in 2012, Wikimedia Bangladesh organized a Wikipedia meetup and workshop
> with the Santali Language Community in Dinajpur District of Bangladesh with
> the goal of launching a Santali Language Wikipedia. However, that process
> slowed down after some time. Then in September 2017, Wikimedia Bangladesh
> organized another meeting with Santali Language Community in a Dhaka
> Wikipedia meetup where a decision was made to expedite the launch of the
> Wikipedia. Following that discussion, a workshop was organized by Wikimedia
> Bangladesh for Santali Language Wikipedians on December 30, 2017. Santali
> Language Wikipedians from India also participated in that program through
> online discussion. Subsequently, another workshop was organized for Santali
> Language Community in India on March 11, 2018 in collaboration with Odia
> Wikimedians User Group.
>
> After months of work, Santali Language Wikipedia got the approval of
> Language Committee on June 28, 2018 and finally, the Santali Wikipedia site
> was launched on August 2, 2018.
>
> Let us congratulate and welcome the Santali Language Community.
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Ali Haidar Khan
>
> Executive Committee Member, Wikimedia Bangladesh
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Pixel tracking by Wikimedia

[Gergő Tisza]

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:43 AM Fæ  wrote:

> It would be much appreciated if anyone can provide a link to an
> official statement given by the WMF that pixel tracking is used on its
> sites outside of fundraising banners, or its supplier's sites, and any
> example cases or reports of where it is happening.
>

I doubt pixel tracking is a useful term here, you should describe more
precisely what kind of tracking you are interested in.
For example, EventLogging (which is fairly well documented) used to use
tracking pixels, but that was replaced with the Beacon API when the browser
support was good enough, but from the perspective of a privacy-concerned
user that changed exactly nothing.
Are you interested in tracking done by third parties? Unique user tracking?
Those are the kinds of things that make important difference from a legal
point of view and are probably outlined in some policy. Tracking pixels are
just a technique that can be used for all kinds of things, and I doubt
anyone is keeping track of where it is used.
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[Wikimedia-l] Pixel tracking by Wikimedia

[Fæ]

I have been trying to work how the WMF or its suppliers have chosen to
use pixel tracking methods on Wikimedia projects, and exactly what
data is tracked, who can access it and if it ever gets officially
deleted, but failed so far.

There was some past speculation that some banners were using pixel
tracking, but apart from the cookie statement published by request of
WMF legal in 2015,[1] I have been unable to find precise explanations
of how this has been part of banner design, used on external landing
pages, or whether pixel tracking had ever been used more directly by
being integrated or tested on Wikimedia projects. Naturally this leads
to questions about legitimate use of pixel tracking data and what/who
it is tracking.

It would be much appreciated if anyone can provide a link to an
official statement given by the WMF that pixel tracking is used on its
sites outside of fundraising banners, or its supplier's sites, and any
example cases or reports of where it is happening.

Links
1. https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cookie_statement

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing launch of Santali Language Wikipedia

[Isaac Olatunde]

I am happy about this news. Congratulations!

Regards,

Isaac

On Aug 8, 2018 6:31 PM, "Jean-Philippe Béland" 
wrote:

> Congratulations and thank you for sharing your experience!
>
> JP
> User:Amqui
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi <
> psubhash...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Thank you Haidar for sharing in details about the amazing support that
> > Wikimedia Bangladesh has provided to the community there. Kudos to the
> > Santali community for this achievement and all the best for their
> > activities. And Odia Wikimedians User Group will continue to work with
> them
> > more in the future.
> >
> > Subhashish
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 8:27 PM Amir E. Aharoni <
> > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This is a wonderful achievement. Shows that dedication and organization
> > can
> > > take you far. Good luck in continuing and developing it further!
> > >
> > > בתאריך יום ד׳, 8 באוג׳ 2018, 17:49, מאת Ali Haidar Khan ‏<
> > > tonmoy...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Dear All,
> > > >
> > > > We are very pleased to announce the launch of Santali Language
> > Wikipedia
> > > (
> > > > https://sat.wikipedia.org). The site has been launched on August 2,
> > 2018
> > > > and, after the import of pages from Wikimedia Incubator and some
> > > > maintenance work, it’s now open for all. Santali Language’s own
> > alphabet,
> > > > Ol Chiki, has been used as the alphabet of this Wikipedia. Santali is
> > > > a language in the Munda subfamily of Austroasiatic languages, spoken
> by
> > > > around 7.4 million people in South Asia (Bangladesh, India and
> Nepal).
> > > >
> > > > This is a very special moment for us and has been made possible
> because
> > > of
> > > > the joint effort by Santali Language Wikipedian’s from Bangladesh,
> > India
> > > > and Nepal. Wikimedia Bangladesh and Bangla Wikimedia Community
> > > > congratulates the Santali Language Community for their accomplishment
> > and
> > > > are honored to be a part of this tremendous achievement. Manik
> Soren, a
> > > > dedicated Santali Wikipedian from Bangladesh, along with some very
> > active
> > > > Santali Language Wikipedians from Bangladesh and India has been
> > > > instrumental in this effort. We would also like to thank Shabab
> > Mustafa,
> > > > President of Wikimedia Bangladesh and Nahid Sultan, a very active
> > steward
> > > > and Secretary of Wikimedia Bangladesh, for coordinating the effort in
> > > > Bangladesh and Odia Wikimedians User Group for coordinating the
> effort
> > in
> > > > India.
> > > >
> > > > It is worth mentioning that the process of creating a Santali
> Language
> > > > Wikipedia began in 2012 and, later on, got momentum in February,
> 2017.
> > > Back
> > > > in 2012, Wikimedia Bangladesh organized a Wikipedia meetup and
> workshop
> > > > with the Santali Language Community in Dinajpur District of
> Bangladesh
> > > with
> > > > the goal of launching a Santali Language Wikipedia. However, that
> > process
> > > > slowed down after some time. Then in September 2017, Wikimedia
> > Bangladesh
> > > > organized another meeting with Santali Language Community in a Dhaka
> > > > Wikipedia meetup where a decision was made to expedite the launch of
> > the
> > > > Wikipedia. Following that discussion, a workshop was organized by
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > Bangladesh for Santali Language Wikipedians on December 30, 2017.
> > Santali
> > > > Language Wikipedians from India also participated in that program
> > through
> > > > online discussion. Subsequently, another workshop was organized for
> > > Santali
> > > > Language Community in India on March 11, 2018 in collaboration with
> > Odia
> > > > Wikimedians User Group.
> > > >
> > > > After months of work, Santali Language Wikipedia got the approval of
> > > > Language Committee on June 28, 2018 and finally, the Santali
> Wikipedia
> > > site
> > > > was launched on August 2, 2018.
> > > >
> > > > Let us congratulate and welcome the Santali Language Community.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers!
> > > >
> > > > Ali Haidar Khan
> > > >
> > > > Executive Committee Member, Wikimedia Bangladesh
> > > > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing launch of Santali Language Wikipedia

[Shabab Mustafa]

AFAIK, They do not have any official mailing list yet. Will advise them to
get one।
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On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:35 AM Yohann Thomas  wrote:

> This is amazing news Haidar..
> Congratulations to the Santali language community.. :)
>
> Is there a mailing list for the community?? I need to add it to the WMIN
> site, in the section of the Indic language wiki projects..
>
> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/List_of_Indian_language_wiki_projects
>
> Regards,
> Yohann
>
>
>
> On Wed 8 Aug, 2018, 20:19 Ali Haidar Khan,  wrote:
>
> > Dear All,
> >
> > We are very pleased to announce the launch of Santali Language Wikipedia
> (
> > https://sat.wikipedia.org). The site has been launched on August 2, 2018
> > and, after the import of pages from Wikimedia Incubator and some
> > maintenance work, it’s now open for all. Santali Language’s own alphabet,
> > Ol Chiki, has been used as the alphabet of this Wikipedia. Santali is
> > a language in the Munda subfamily of Austroasiatic languages, spoken by
> > around 7.4 million people in South Asia (Bangladesh, India and Nepal).
> >
> > This is a very special moment for us and has been made possible because
> of
> > the joint effort by Santali Language Wikipedian’s from Bangladesh, India
> > and Nepal. Wikimedia Bangladesh and Bangla Wikimedia Community
> > congratulates the Santali Language Community for their accomplishment and
> > are honored to be a part of this tremendous achievement. Manik Soren, a
> > dedicated Santali Wikipedian from Bangladesh, along with some very active
> > Santali Language Wikipedians from Bangladesh and India has been
> > instrumental in this effort. We would also like to thank Shabab Mustafa,
> > President of Wikimedia Bangladesh and Nahid Sultan, a very active steward
> > and Secretary of Wikimedia Bangladesh, for coordinating the effort in
> > Bangladesh and Odia Wikimedians User Group for coordinating the effort in
> > India.
> >
> > It is worth mentioning that the process of creating a Santali Language
> > Wikipedia began in 2012 and, later on, got momentum in February, 2017.
> Back
> > in 2012, Wikimedia Bangladesh organized a Wikipedia meetup and workshop
> > with the Santali Language Community in Dinajpur District of Bangladesh
> with
> > the goal of launching a Santali Language Wikipedia. However, that process
> > slowed down after some time. Then in September 2017, Wikimedia Bangladesh
> > organized another meeting with Santali Language Community in a Dhaka
> > Wikipedia meetup where a decision was made to expedite the launch of the
> > Wikipedia. Following that discussion, a workshop was organized by
> Wikimedia
> > Bangladesh for Santali Language Wikipedians on December 30, 2017. Santali
> > Language Wikipedians from India also participated in that program through
> > online discussion. Subsequently, another workshop was organized for
> Santali
> > Language Community in India on March 11, 2018 in collaboration with Odia
> > Wikimedians User Group.
> >
> > After months of work, Santali Language Wikipedia got the approval of
> > Language Committee on June 28, 2018 and finally, the Santali Wikipedia
> site
> > was launched on August 2, 2018.
> >
> > Let us congratulate and welcome the Santali Language Community.
> >
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Ali Haidar Khan
> >
> > Executive Committee Member, Wikimedia Bangladesh
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fallout from 2018 Wikimedian of the Year announcement

[Pine W]

Hi Farhad,

Thank you for your generosity with your time as you respond to the requests
and new opportunities.

I like Andy's suggestions. Wikimedia Armenia crossed my mind also as
potentially a good organization to contact for ideas, because I have the
impression that they have a good (but not excessively close) relationship
with their national government, and because they have a very successful
Wikipedia Education Program.

Although there seem to be many opportunities for you in the short term, my
guess is that you will be unable to take advantage of all of them, and that
some that you try will be more successful than others. That is all okay.

Please avoid burning yourself out. Hopefully you can work at a pace that is
reasonable for you and will lead to long-term successes. Also, hopefully
you can find people who want to help you, and have the time and the skills
to do so. You might try to contact people that you have met on-wiki who
could help you as you consider the opportunities and how you would like to
move forward. I have the impression that you already know many Wikimedians
who work on Russian Wikipedia, so hopefully you can get some help from them.

If you could share occasional updates about your progress, maybe by sending
an email to Wikimedia-l with once per quarter, I think that at least a few
people would be interested to read what you share.

Good luck,

Pine
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On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin <
f...@yandex.com> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> This is a request for your input and possible ideas (if any) regarding my
> management of the fallout from Jimmy's announcing myself as a 2018
> Wikimedian of the Year.
>
> Emails below are a copy of my ongoing consultations with Wikimedia
> Foundation staff and other Wikimedians I personally know, as well as a
> report on what's already brewing in my region of Russia after this
> unexpected outcome.
>
> I would be grateful, if you can advise me on how to properly steer the
> enthusiasm of behalf of regional government, mass-media, NGOs, etc. which
> have just discovered about the possibility of participation in Wikimedia
> movement (think anything from U.S. is not getting much in-depth coverage in
> Russian by sources that regional public figures, NGOs, teachers or general
> regional journalists read) & are now placing great hopes on teaching whole
> of Tatarstan about how to Wiki & also engaging all Tatars globally (3/4
> outside of Tatarstan, 1/5 outside of Russia).
>
> regards,
> farhad
>
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