[Zope-dev] Re: I am starting to hate Zope/Plone development and its bl**dy lack of refresh.
Max M wrote: I am not sure what is causing the problems. I am mostly a developer of end user tools. Not a core Zope/Plone developer. And I am not really interested in becoming one either. There must be a niche for developers like me that focus on end users. Well ok. I have researched a bit more. All the speedup suggestions gave at maximum 5-10 seconds. Not nearly enough. (Didn't try to buy a new computer though. Will do that next week ;-) I also tried to run Zope as a zeo client from a usb flash disk. As expected the initial compilation to byte code was slw. I then expected it to run fast after that. It didn't! *clever* configuration clearly wasn't clever enough for me. So I made a site with a standard Zope tool: class simple_tool(UniqueObject, PropertyManager, SimpleItem.SimpleItem, ActionProviderBase): And I added a simple Plone skin. Now refresh worked like a charm. Both when changing the code in the tool and the page templates in the skin. So the problem only exists for me in Archetype based products. Anytime I do a change in any AT content type I need to restart the site. Can anybody confirm this behavior? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
I'm starting to get bored of people complaining about Zope (was: Re: [Zope-dev] Re: I am starting to hate Zope/Plone development and its bl**dy lack of refresh.)
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 03:39:14PM +0200, Max M wrote: | So the problem only exists for me in Archetype based products. Anytime I | do a change in any AT content type I need to restart the site. | | Can anybody confirm this behavior? That's a known-(at least to me)-issue. When you refresh an Archetypes-based product you need to refresh Archetypes as well. You can do this by marking the product as dependent on Archetypes and then refresh Archetypes (which will refresh it's dependencies, refreshing your product). If you don't know what I'm talking about go research more about the refresh functionality in Zope 2. -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systemshttp://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: I'm starting to get bored of people complaining about Zope
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 03:39:14PM +0200, Max M wrote: | So the problem only exists for me in Archetype based products. Anytime I | do a change in any AT content type I need to restart the site. | | Can anybody confirm this behavior? That's a known-(at least to me)-issue. When you refresh an Archetypes-based product you need to refresh Archetypes as well. You can do this by marking the product as dependent on Archetypes and then refresh Archetypes (which will refresh it's dependencies, refreshing your product). I have tried that. It doesn't work. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: I am starting to hate Zope/Plone development and its bl**dy lack of refresh.
One problem with fixing the refresh is that the more you fix, the longer the refresh will take. To fix Five to be stable in refresh, we may very well have to kill all things registered by ZCML, and re-register all of it. It's highly unlikely that we get a real stable refresh by just refreshing one products ZCML. What happens if there are overrides, and so on. So, in the end, you end up with refreshing everything, which would take just as long as stopping and starting the ZEO client. We can probably make it possible to make the refresh somewhat more stable and support a wider range of cases. But you still have to make very careful configuration of the refresh in most of this cases, and if you don't do it just right, it won't work. So I'm not sure it's worth the effort. Doing tests is a good idea especially if you take a bit of care. The calendar products I'm working on have that care taken automatically, as it's split into three products, one pure python, one Zope layer with the persistance and UI and one CPS integration. Most tests are on the python product, or the Zope product. The python tests take 0.8 seconds to run, the Zope tests 4 seconds. With CPS it gets worse, because the tests need to create a CPS site. It's the same with Plone. In those cases tests will not be faster than refreshing. Running all of them takes a bit less than a minute I think, and running just one isn't that much faster. But the amount of tests needed there is very low, as most is done on the CalCore and CalZope layer. This way development is pretty fast, and doesn't need much refreshing. Then comes a part where you need to get it to actually work, and not just pass the tests. Here you need to refresh a bit. And then most of the work is UI-fixing, which doesn't need refresh again, because it's mostly HTML. I find this mode of development faster than when I had working refresh, beause the existance of the tests stop me from shooting my foot. ;) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
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Re: [Zope-dev] Re: I'm starting to get bored of people complaining about Zope
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 04:34:14PM +0200, Max M wrote: | I have tried that. It doesn't work. Maybe you didn't try hard enough. This has always worked for me. -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systemshttp://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
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Re: I'm starting to get bored of people complaining about Zope (was: Re: [Zope-dev] Re: I am starting to hate Zope/Plone development and its bl**dy lack of refresh.)
Sidnei da Silva wrote at 2006-9-5 10:46 -0300: ... That's a known-(at least to me)-issue. When you refresh an Archetypes-based product you need to refresh Archetypes as well. You can do this by marking the product as dependent on Archetypes and then refresh Archetypes (which will refresh it's dependencies, refreshing your product). If you don't know what I'm talking about go research more about the refresh functionality in Zope 2. We are refreshing AT contents types without a need to refresh AT itself (in Zope 2.8.1, AT 1.3.x). -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Documentation on get_transaction().commit(...)
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