Re: [Result] Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
Hi, I'll open a vote thread on MyFaces' dev list. we got 13 +1 votes on the MyFaces dev list. I'll follow up with a vote on general @ incubator to get approval for the graduation as a MyFaces subproject. I'll keep you posted. -Matthias Greetings, Matthias On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Trinidad PPMC members and Trinidad community, we have discussed during the last months (time by time, not permanent) that Trinidad is ready to graduate from the Apache Incubator; we also managed to get releases of the artifacts out. Main question is (see the original email threads) should Trinidad be a subproject of Apache MyFaces or should it be a TLP. Please cast your votes (only one is possible): [ ] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community [ ] graduate as a TLP [ ] not ready to graduate, because... -Matthias On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dependency will be also the same, if we (MyFaces) go the proposed route w/ Trinidad as the base for Tomahawk². -Matthias On 4/11/07, Martin Marinschek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as the community is somewhat similar (at least there are people in both communities), I'm +1 for taking it in under MyFaces. My only problem with the subproject approach is that when RCF comes out, we'll have two sub projects where one sub project depends on the other - kind of awkward. regards, Martin On 4/11/07, Jeanne Waldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, I like your arguments and after reading this thread, I like the idea of a subproject better than a TLP too. I wanted to comment so ya'll will know there are more people reading the thread and forming an opinion than have been commenting thus far. :) - Jeanne Simon Lessard wrote: Personally I don't think a TLP would be a good idea just yet since JSF is still relatively new compared to some older well known frameworks. I think it's easier for new users to find all they need from one entry point and MyFaces seems the right place for that, at least for now. Also, being a subproject will probably improve the users' confidence in library compatibility as well as encourage that compatibility to be kept/improved by developers. It may just be a feeling, but it seems to me that making Trinidad TLP right away would make it look a bit like a loner, especially since Tobago and Tomahawk are MyFaces sub projects. If JSF component sets should be TLP(s), then I think it should be done all at the same time, and this cannot be achieved until we harmonize Tomahawk, Trinidad and Tobago imho. My 2¢, ~ Simon On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was also a point of Noel, when proposing the RCF donation thing. He was asking, why not having a JSF components project. Perhaps that might be an interesting option, not sure yet; but when RCF arrives somewhen.. there would be another component set. Perhaps we should move the discussion for a split to the MyFaces DEV list, that the MyFaces PMC is also able to comment. The components project could have a similar fashion like Jakarta. But since this isn't yet the case, I'd agree that a subproject is the best, for now. -Matthias On 4/11/07, Adam Winer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there was an idea to split MyFaces into an implementation half and a component set half, each as separate TLPs, then I'd see your point - but as it is, MyFaces the TLP is both an implementation and (currently) 2 component sets. -- Adam On 4/10/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the one in all reply.. Ok, let's switch perspective's here. MyFaces (the codebase) is a JSF implementation. Tomahawk and Trinidad are JSF component sets. I am not comparing the possible overlap of the component sets, I am focussing on the possible lack of overlap in community of the JSF implementation and the component sets. Different goals, different users and different developers (although the last is not yet the case, it is most likely someone interested in components is not interested in coding on the JSF implementation). Just playing bad cop here though, to hopefully prevent this situation (if you are aware of these signs you can watch out for it) Not going to vote -1 on a move to MyFaces. Mvgr, Martin -- Matthias Wessendorf http://tinyurl.com/fmywh further stuff: blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com --
Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
[X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community [ ] graduate as a TLP [ ] not ready to graduate, because... On 12/04/07, Grant Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community [ ] graduate as a TLP [ ] not ready to graduate, because... On 4/11/07, Adam Winer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community [ ] graduate as a TLP [ ] not ready to graduate, because... On 4/11/07, Jeanne Waldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community [ ] graduate as a TLP [ ] not ready to graduate, because... Simon Lessard wrote: [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community [ ] graduate as a TLP [ ] not ready to graduate, because... On 4/11/07, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community Craig PS: Note that binding is only relevant on release votes, where it's a PMC member doing the voting. For procedural issues (like this one), all committers are equal. -- Grant Smith
Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
+1 to start graduating :) Mvgr, Martin Matthias Wessendorf wrote: Hello Trinidad PPMC members and Trinidad community, [X] graduate as a TLP
VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
Hello Trinidad PPMC members and Trinidad community, we have discussed during the last months (time by time, not permanent) that Trinidad is ready to graduate from the Apache Incubator; we also managed to get releases of the artifacts out. Main question is (see the original email threads) should Trinidad be a subproject of Apache MyFaces or should it be a TLP. Please cast your votes (only one is possible): [ ] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community [ ] graduate as a TLP [ ] not ready to graduate, because... -Matthias On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dependency will be also the same, if we (MyFaces) go the proposed route w/ Trinidad as the base for Tomahawk². -Matthias On 4/11/07, Martin Marinschek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as the community is somewhat similar (at least there are people in both communities), I'm +1 for taking it in under MyFaces. My only problem with the subproject approach is that when RCF comes out, we'll have two sub projects where one sub project depends on the other - kind of awkward. regards, Martin On 4/11/07, Jeanne Waldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, I like your arguments and after reading this thread, I like the idea of a subproject better than a TLP too. I wanted to comment so ya'll will know there are more people reading the thread and forming an opinion than have been commenting thus far. :) - Jeanne Simon Lessard wrote: Personally I don't think a TLP would be a good idea just yet since JSF is still relatively new compared to some older well known frameworks. I think it's easier for new users to find all they need from one entry point and MyFaces seems the right place for that, at least for now. Also, being a subproject will probably improve the users' confidence in library compatibility as well as encourage that compatibility to be kept/improved by developers. It may just be a feeling, but it seems to me that making Trinidad TLP right away would make it look a bit like a loner, especially since Tobago and Tomahawk are MyFaces sub projects. If JSF component sets should be TLP(s), then I think it should be done all at the same time, and this cannot be achieved until we harmonize Tomahawk, Trinidad and Tobago imho. My 2¢, ~ Simon On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was also a point of Noel, when proposing the RCF donation thing. He was asking, why not having a JSF components project. Perhaps that might be an interesting option, not sure yet; but when RCF arrives somewhen.. there would be another component set. Perhaps we should move the discussion for a split to the MyFaces DEV list, that the MyFaces PMC is also able to comment. The components project could have a similar fashion like Jakarta. But since this isn't yet the case, I'd agree that a subproject is the best, for now. -Matthias On 4/11/07, Adam Winer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there was an idea to split MyFaces into an implementation half and a component set half, each as separate TLPs, then I'd see your point - but as it is, MyFaces the TLP is both an implementation and (currently) 2 component sets. -- Adam On 4/10/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the one in all reply.. Ok, let's switch perspective's here. MyFaces (the codebase) is a JSF implementation. Tomahawk and Trinidad are JSF component sets. I am not comparing the possible overlap of the component sets, I am focussing on the possible lack of overlap in community of the JSF implementation and the component sets. Different goals, different users and different developers (although the last is not yet the case, it is most likely someone interested in components is not interested in coding on the JSF implementation). Just playing bad cop here though, to hopefully prevent this situation (if you are aware of these signs you can watch out for it) Not going to vote -1 on a move to MyFaces. Mvgr, Martin -- Matthias Wessendorf http://tinyurl.com/fmywh further stuff: blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces -- Matthias Wessendorf http://tinyurl.com/fmywh further stuff: blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com -- Matthias Wessendorf http://tinyurl.com/fmywh further stuff: blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
[X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community +1 (binding) [ ] graduate as a TLP [ ] not ready to graduate, because... -Matthias
Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
[X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community [ ] graduate as a TLP [ ] not ready to graduate, because... On 4/11/07, Jeanne Waldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community [ ] graduate as a TLP [ ] not ready to graduate, because... Simon Lessard wrote: [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community [ ] graduate as a TLP [ ] not ready to graduate, because... On 4/11/07, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community Craig PS: Note that binding is only relevant on release votes, where it's a PMC member doing the voting. For procedural issues (like this one), all committers are equal.
Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
[X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community [ ] graduate as a TLP [ ] not ready to graduate, because... On 4/11/07, Adam Winer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community [ ] graduate as a TLP [ ] not ready to graduate, because... On 4/11/07, Jeanne Waldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community [ ] graduate as a TLP [ ] not ready to graduate, because... Simon Lessard wrote: [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community [ ] graduate as a TLP [ ] not ready to graduate, because... On 4/11/07, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community Craig PS: Note that binding is only relevant on release votes, where it's a PMC member doing the voting. For procedural issues (like this one), all committers are equal. -- Grant Smith
