Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CAT5. FM. And Rain

2019-04-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
Well, yes, a GigE mid span power injector would do that if you didn't actually use the power connections (which go to the transformer center taps). Like Chuck's POE-GigE. RF has a way of finding sneak paths though. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread Lewis Bergman
Well, I guess that is one way to deal with it. On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 6:05 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > Most vendors aren't afraid of VMs. The ones that are, you either fake it > or dump them. No need to financially reward stupid people. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CAT5. FM. And Rain

2019-04-24 Thread Matt Hoppes
Does something like an iso coupler for CAT5 exist? Like where you could plug the cat five cable into it and he would isolate the cat five cable coming out of it magnetically so that there was no physical contact? > On Apr 24, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > This was in the days when

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Nope. Already use remote desktop to control most. But in a small closet, aka, the server room, there are 2-3 small flat panel monitors and at least 6 keyboards and mice. Just trying to clean it up and make it a little more efficient. I knew the kvm I used to buy was ps2. I had looked about

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Anything can run as a VM. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:28:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Most vendors aren't afraid of VMs. The ones that are, you either fake it or dump them. No need to financially reward stupid people. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Lewis Bergman"

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
I assume you aren’t looking for remote control via IP? I have a site with an 8-port Startech KVM that has been trouble free, I bought it long enough ago I don’t know the model number but probably SV831DUSB. Need to use their cables to break out VGA and either USB or PS2. Lots of

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CAT5. FM. And Rain

2019-04-24 Thread Matt Hoppes
I had a chance to get up to the tower again this afternoon and play around. There is nearly 200% of the legal limit of exposure of RF on the cat five cable. It seems to make no difference whether I lift the ground ground the ground or do anything with the ground, the negotiation issues are

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
They have been a customer for 18 years. Probably not walking away ;) - Original Message - From: Lewis Bergman To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch There are very good reasons why customers don't it

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread chuck
I remember an attorney needing to get AES security on a canopy unit due to the extremely sensitive nature of his communications. I pointed out to him that the cat 5 cable running through the ceiling panels of his commercial office building could be sniffed. No problem he said, it was the

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 4/24/19 13:37, Lewis Bergman wrote: Can is one thing. Will is completely different. Thats my point. Some vendors just aren't goinig through the effort to certify virtualized installs. I am not defending it, just that is a fact. Bank are about as bad as anyone about being slow to change. I

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread Lewis Bergman
Can is one thing. Will is completely different. Thats my point. Some vendors just aren't goinig through the effort to certify virtualized installs. I am not defending it, just that is a fact. Bank are about as bad as anyone about being slow to change. I think the whole 2000 mania was a good

Re: [AFMUG] LTE Modems

2019-04-24 Thread chuck
I have an ipad that has cellular data with AT I have a new surveying machine that needs a modem card/sim whatever. There is a slot for it. Can I buy the hardware, plug it in and have AT move the service from the ipad to the trimble unit? From: Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Wednesday, April

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread chuck
I thought good VM guys can make anything run as a VM? From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 2:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch There are very good reasons why customers don't it can't virtualize. The big one is that the vendor they use

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread Lewis Bergman
There are very good reasons why customers don't it can't virtualize. The big one is that the vendor they use won't support it. You can flail at that windmill on why they won't, but in the end most customers won't go against a vendor recommendation. On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 12:35 PM Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] LTE Modems

2019-04-24 Thread Dennis Burgess via AF
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Re: [AFMUG] LTE Modems

2019-04-24 Thread Layne Sisk
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Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Title: Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch Jay: I have used these in the past https://www.vertiv.com/globalassets/shared/avocent-autoview-2108221631083216-switch-installeruser-guide_00.pdf The IQ modules come in many flavors (PS2/USB/Serial/etc).  Just do your homework to make sure the unit you buy has

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Older is fine. If you could get part number that's be even better! Sent from my smartphone - Reply message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: [AFMUG] Kvm switch Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 1:54 PM we have a belkin 8 port with usb and ps2 for accessing

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Great! Thanks. Can't wait to look at this on my desktop Sent from my smartphone - Reply message - From: "Jason Wilson" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: [AFMUG] Kvm switch Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 1:36 PM Smart KVM Switch, 8 Port Manual Key Press dvr Switch VGA USB

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread Steve Jones
we have a belkin 8 port with usb and ps2 for accessing the hardware, dont know the model number but it works pretty well. its older so only has vga options On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 12:35 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > I'd probably just walk away. There's no reason they can't virtualize, > they're just

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CAT5. FM. And Rain

2019-04-24 Thread Bill Prince
This was in the days when we had to run a separate cable for timing (and those signals we single-ended; not differential). The timing cable ran parallel to the cat 5, and the APs were losing sync intermittently. The power/ground inside the CMM was going crazy to the tune of 8-12 volts or

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread Jason Wilson
Smart KVM Switch, 8 Port Manual Key Press dvr Switch VGA USB Remote Extension Switcher Console with 8pc Original Cable https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HBGK87K/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_6WkWCb52BQXXR On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 10:21 AM CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > Have a location with about 8 different

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Link? Sent from my smartphone - Reply message - From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Dennis Burgess" Subject: [AFMUG] Kvm switch Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 12:53 PM USB KVM. hehehe Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Yup Sent from my smartphone - Reply message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: [AFMUG] Kvm switch Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 1:21 PM Especially for a bank, I would want hot standby hardware/blades and everything on a VM with raid bazillion etc with off

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread chuck
Especially for a bank, I would want hot standby hardware/blades and everything on a VM with raid bazillion etc with off site storage mirrored etc. I am imagining a room with a bunch of old desktop towers on a shelf, nothing matching and a horrible ratsnest of cables. From: dave Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CAT5. FM. And Rain

2019-04-24 Thread Matt Hoppes
Interesting, so possibly the issue is occurring through the grounding/electoral system. > On Apr 24, 2019, at 1:47 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > It wasn't actually on the cat5, it was on the ground (and indirectly the > power supply). This when we were using the old-style Canopy timing box (CMM?

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread dave
Even Virtual Box I can do most anything in linux I do prefer EXSi and vmware for production hosts though. On 4/24/19 12:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: VMware. Windows Virtual PC Hyper V So many ways to simplify their lives. Or AWS and remove all the hardware. *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller *Sent:*

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread chuck
VMware. Windows Virtual PC Hyper V So many ways to simplify their lives. Or AWS and remove all the hardware. From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:46 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch Windows Sent from my smartphone -

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread Dennis Burgess via AF
USB KVM.  hehehe [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage’s

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CAT5. FM. And Rain

2019-04-24 Thread Bill Prince
It wasn't actually on the cat5, it was on the ground (and indirectly the power supply). This when we were using the old-style Canopy timing box (CMM? not sure of the name any more). We had to ground isolate the scope to prevent it from being infected as well. bp On 4/24/2019 10:31 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Windows Sent from my smartphone - Reply message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: Subject: [AFMUG] Kvm switch Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 12:38 PM Are they all windows or linux? There is a very obvious solution. From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:19 AM To:

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread chuck
Are they all windows or linux? There is a very obvious solution. From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:19 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Kvm switch Have a location with about 8 different devices. Most are now usb mouse / keyboard What's best kvm type switch

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd probably just walk away. There's no reason they can't virtualize, they're just a stick in the mud and not worth the hassle. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller"

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Client doesn't want to visualize any if it (and largely can't). Is a bank with multiple vendors supporting multiple platforms Sent from my smartphone - Reply message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: [AFMUG] Kvm switch Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CAT5. FM. And Rain

2019-04-24 Thread Matt Hoppes
How did you “look at it” on the CAT5? > On Apr 24, 2019, at 1:28 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > Back when we were getting interference like this (around 12-13 years ago), > the noise was actually intermod from a couple of nearby high power > transmitters. We didn't see it until we were able to

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CAT5. FM. And Rain

2019-04-24 Thread Bill Prince
Back when we were getting interference like this (around 12-13 years ago), the noise was actually intermod from a couple of nearby high power transmitters. We didn't see it until we were able to look at it with a high frequency oscilloscope. It would come and go based on whether both of those

Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread Mike Hammett
KVM is largely unnecessary anymore. VMs or containers replace most physical machines and DRAC, IP-KVM, etc. replace the need to KVM the hosts. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "CBB -

[AFMUG] Kvm switch

2019-04-24 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Have a location with about 8 different devices. Most are now usb mouse / keyboard What's best kvm type switch now? Mine at home is all ps/2 Sent from my smartphone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

2019-04-24 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, I imaging rural 5G will look a lot like 4G... I can't see that the big mobile guys are going to be doing a lot of stuff like CBRS in areas where they can't even be bothered to put up 4G on spectrum they already own. On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > But there’s CBRS! >

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CAT5. FM. And Rain

2019-04-24 Thread chuck
Probably not at FM frequencies. Most meters will not work at those frequencies. Old radioshack cheap meters would measure the old CB radio frequencies on their AC setting. You can give it a try. First just separate the leads like they are a dipole antenna and walk around to see if they are

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CAT5. FM. And Rain

2019-04-24 Thread Matt Hoppes
If I take a volt meter and measure from ground wire/rack to earth ground. Would I see voltage if the transmitter is getting in at any significant amount? > On Apr 24, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > > & if the noise is coming from the grounding point? > >> On 04/24/2019 09:01 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CAT5. FM. And Rain

2019-04-24 Thread Robert Andrews
& if the noise is coming from the grounding point? On 04/24/2019 09:01 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: If you let shields float, they are a faraday shield. If you ground one end of the shields, they are faraday plus electrostatic shielding. If you ground both ends of the shields they do all of that

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CAT5. FM. And Rain

2019-04-24 Thread chuck
If you let shields float, they are a faraday shield. If you ground one end of the shields, they are faraday plus electrostatic shielding. If you ground both ends of the shields they do all of that but they also add magnetic shielding. However grounding both ends can cause a ground loop.

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CAT5. FM. And Rain

2019-04-24 Thread Matt Hoppes
Why do you mean "moved switching closer to the cluster", what is a "cluster"? Are you saying you floated the copper shields at the base of the tower and didn't ground them? On 4/24/19 11:16 AM, dave wrote: Matt,  I have that T-shirt For sure.. I was on a FM tower that was only 5kw

Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

2019-04-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
But there’s CBRS! https://www.telecompetitor.com/analysts-question-verizon-5g-spectrum-strategy-company-needs-mid-band-spectrum-but-where-will-it-come-from/ And 3700-4200, or buy mid band spectrum from DISH or Lightsquared or Sprint. I suspect the main obstacle to rural fixed wireless

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CAT5. FM. And Rain

2019-04-24 Thread dave
Matt,  I have that T-shirt For sure.. I was on a FM tower that was only 5kw combined over one 5/8 coax for years. Started with FSK then Cambium gear.  The things I noticed worse was the type of cable used. The longest time we had used AL shielded type cable and eventually relocated our

Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

2019-04-24 Thread Mathew Howard
Well, imagine that... who would've ever guessed that they aren't going to put up millimeter wave stuff in areas where there's nothing but maybe few cows and a goat actually within range of the towers... On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:58 AM Bill Prince wrote: > This almost needs a rim shot. > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

2019-04-24 Thread Tim Reichhart
maybe an threat for urban not so much for rural america sadly. So there isnt much we should have to worry about if your rural america.   -Original Message- From: "Bill Prince" To: af@af.afmug.com Date: 04/24/19 09:58 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat This almost needs a rim

Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

2019-04-24 Thread Bill Prince
This almost needs a rim shot. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/04/millimeter-wave-5g-isnt-for-widespread-coverage-verizon-admits/ bp On 4/19/2019 2:36 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Read a good report from a writer that