It’s also a very small data stream. End it doesn’t matter if it cuts out once
in a while. The satellite is also stationary. It also goes out every time I
drive underneath trees.
> On Jan 22, 2020, at 12:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
> wrote:
>
>
> Sirius/xm customer install wasn't bad
>
Sirius/xm customer install wasn't bad
Course it was receive only
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From: "Jason McKemie"
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: [AFMUG] The Future
Date: Tue, Jan 21, 2020 3:20 PM
Customer installed fixed wireless doesn't work
Thanks for that...now my weekend is shot.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 9:09 PM Robert wrote:
> Let me see if I can help you out...
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/user/errolprowse
>
> This one is down south from you, I think...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwdVOry0oNF9WIe_3uCfz9Q
>
>
> On
Hi;
Anyone seen this stuff and possibly using it? How does it compare /
compete with Ubiquiti and Cambium's ePMP. No GPS synch however.
Seems like it will be better than Mikrotik's TDMA version Nv2. I do
like their presentation on the webpage. Nice graphics.
Does anyone remember the movie Brainstorm, the one with Christopher Walken and
Natalie Wood? For some reason, streaming and especially binge watching reminds
me of that.
How they got all that bandwidth over a phone line though is questionable.
From: AF On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
I agree, cost is reason number one, although I do think non-linear video
appeals to instant gratification nature as well.
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Maybe it just reflects my customer base, but by far the #1 reason I hear
> for streaming instead of sat TV is cost. People
Maybe it just reflects my customer base, but by far the #1 reason I hear for
streaming instead of sat TV is cost. People say DirecTV is too expensive.
#2 reason is probably binge watching.
From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 7:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm
Elon started it as a project to raise money, yes. Morgan Stanley is up
valuing it because they don't understand technology. This project is not
even close to spacex's purpose for existing. If it disappeared it would not
have any real effect on their overall mission.
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020,
Let me see if I can help you out...
https://www.youtube.com/user/errolprowse
This one is down south from you, I think...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwdVOry0oNF9WIe_3uCfz9Q
On 1/21/20 7:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Is there a 12 step program for this?
10x more addictive than porn.
I
Is there a 12 step program for this?
10x more addictive than porn.
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um, no, Starlink is now becoming the primary reason for the huge run-up
in valuation for SpaceX...
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-future-multibillion-dollar-valuation-starlink-internet-morgan-stanley-2019-9
On 1/21/20 4:15 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
The difference being that this is a
Exactly, you have to cap satellite based wireless / mobile wireless - at
least if you want to keep the available bandwidth per user at a respectable
level. Streaming video will burn through bandwidth caps in a hurry, and
anymore that is basically the entirety of the reason for a home internet
date? Retake if you fail? Does anyone fail?
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Think about how many residential customers no longer have satellite TV. They
don’t like antennas and they like the semi al carte that streaming provides.
With 8K tvs and more content daily the streaming BW is just going to go up and
up and up.
I think when fiber is compared to any wireless
To qualify that a bit, I'm referring to residential users. There may be
niche markets like HFT that will have benefits when using it.
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
> The difference being that this is a side project for one of the main
>
The difference being that this is a side project for one of the main
businesses, not their primary purpose. At best I don't think this is going
to be anything besides a better alternative to other satellite internet
options.
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, Darin Steffl wrote:
> Guys, lots of
That was back when all the women are strong, all the men are
good-looking, and all the children are above average.
Since then the general population has gotten progressively stupider.
On 1/21/20 5:39 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
The first version of DirecTV was self install, I know because I did
So WiFi from a thing outside the house? That won't work well.
On 1/21/20 6:01 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Everything is WIFI Now, it probably has a WIFI AP built in, and just
needs a power cord.
On 1/21/2020 4:57 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah... there are certainly plenty of people who can do a
But still do you send a pre-terminated cable? If so how long?
How does the end user get it through a wall? What if they damage an end?
How will they mount this thing? Under an eve? What happens when the
modulation is poor? Crap service? Dragging down the entire bird?
On
Actually our usage peaked over the holidays and fell back a bit once the
kids went back to school.
Something we're seeing at the moment is a lot of Windows Updates and also
Win 7 people upgrading.
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I did it online through Commscope. It goes pretty fast. Online sessions and
test are a big afternoon to a full day. Keep in mind that it is a permanent
relationship between who you get certified through and yourself as a certified
individual. Not a one time class and you are done with
Chuck needs a pool so he can sit by the pool and eat Vienna sausages.
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To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [BULK] Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools
On 1/21/20 12:08, Adam Moffett wrote:
> Is this some
The other thing about giant tech companies like Google, Amazon, and SpaceX is
they can do even giant projects at a loss. Eventually they may intend to make
a profit, but meanwhile they have used other peoples money to drive you out of
business. There are also startups that lose money like
Has anyone here taken the CPI training, either online or in person? Any
recommendation which is best? I'm thinking online would be more self-paced,
but WISPA is offering in person at WISPAmerica. However that likely means
staying an extra day.
Also what format does the exam take? Is it in
It makes sense that they would be looking at integrating them into Tesla
cars though. Paying AT for a 3G/4G connection to every Tesla presumably
takes a decent amount of money, which I'm sure they'd much rather be giving
to SpaceX.
As in the kind of backhaul a WISP would want... yeah, I doubt
Re: B2B backhaul services, I can't imagine Musk is stupid enough to not have an
HFT service.
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- Original Message -
From: "Darin Steffl"
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Yeah... there are certainly plenty of people who can do a self install just
fine, but there's a reason that Directv and Dish Network both shifted away
from self installs after the first couple of years... well, several
reasons, including that aligning the antennas got a lot more complicated,
but
Guys, lots of misinformation here.
They are NO plans nor hints of integrating Starlink antennas into Tesla
cars. It may happen but no one has hinted of this happening. All Tesla's
have 3G or 4G modems already built-in to them along with WiFi. Updates are
sent via WiFi first and after the fleet
Can you link that? What exactly were they testing?
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:36 PM Robert Andrews
wrote:
> Somehow they passed a first review from US DOD... Can't be all smoke
> and mirrors in space...
>
> On 01/21/2020 12:18 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
> > I'm still very wary of this. There seems
Sounds like the motors only run for the alignment once in a fixed
location. After that if the motor dies it wouldn't matter?
On 01/21/2020 02:22 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1214548764054216704
Straight from the gods mouth I guess.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at
The first version of DirecTV was self install, I know because I did it.
They had many many thousands of successful self installs the first two
years with just a flashing led to guide you. They are planning on
having the CPE's integrated into the roofs of Tesla cars in the future.
They
Hrm...
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- Original Message -
From: "Ryan Ray"
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 4:22:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future
https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1214548764054216704
Straight from the gods mouth I guess.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 12:52 PM Mike Hammett wrote:
> I would be surprised if there were motors in there.
>
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Yeah... but a customer's idea of a clear view of the sky, is throwing it
under a bush, and stringing the cable through the goat pen. The only
problem that the phased antenna solves is needing to align it properly, and
that isn't even the biggest problem with self installs.
Sure, there are people
Don't forget they want to run updates on the millions of Tesla
BEVs that will be roaming around. The CPE is not necessarily
fixed.
bp
On 1/21/2020 1:39 PM, Mathew Howard
wrote:
The CPE end is fixed, in that the
That’s the idea behind the phased antennas though. Once it has a clear line
to the sky, the amount of sats and the motors inside apparently make it a
set and forget type thing.
They’ll still need to run cat5 outside and have a router I assume, but who
knows. Maybe they’ll do some sort of power
The CPE end is fixed, in that the antenna is mounted, and doesn't move.
Unless it's something that you can throw on a desk and plug into an outlet,
self install simply isn't realistic.
Dish Network offered a self install option early on (back when they were
only using a single satellite, and it
Ground to LEO isn't fixed wireless. The "tower" is moving and the client
is roaming.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 3:21 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
> Customer installed fixed wireless doesn't work well. I'm sure they'll
> figure this out too late, I still don't
Because it sounds like a great idea. I have seen numerous companies try this
and every single time it has failed miserably
> On Jan 21, 2020, at 4:20 PM, Jason McKemie
> wrote:
>
> Customer installed fixed wireless doesn't work well. I'm sure they'll figure
> this out too late, I still don't
Customer installed fixed wireless doesn't work well. I'm sure they'll
figure this out too late, I still don't understand why big companies refuse
to learn from other's mistakes.
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HFT won't happen till the next generation of satellites. I really thought
they would do B2B backhaul to start but it is pretty clear to me that they
are gearing up for residential self installs. Seems crazy.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 3:11 PM Mike Hammett wrote:
> SpaceX hasn't demonstrated it,
Yeah... if they do try to go with the self install model, I would bet
they'll abandon that idea pretty quickly... just like everybody else has.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:50 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> OK but are these phased array antennas like beam steering well
With the number they are expecting to install, it almost doesn't
matter what the actual cost is. I doubt there will be any moving
parts either.
They now have something on the order of 170 birds in orbit, with
another 60 due in another week or so. The first 50 were
SpaceX hasn't demonstrated it, no, but I've seen estimates showing it cut NYC -
London latency by one third.
~45 milliseconds instead of ~60 milliseconds.
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On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 Mike Hammett wrote:
> I would bet that SpaceX will collect more money from HFT than from anything
> else they sell via Starlink for a long time.
Starlink has yet to demonstrate that they can hit latencies required for HFT.
My money is on backhaul to sites without
I would be surprised if there were motors in there.
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- Original Message -
From: "Matt Hoppes"
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 2:49:50 PM
OK but are these phased array antennas like beam steering well they have
stepper motors in them? Because the moment you add motors you had parts that
are going to break sooner or later.
Plus if we really think that a self install is going to work for a customer I
think we are giving the
I would bet that SpaceX will collect more money from HFT than from anything
else they sell via Starlink for a long time.
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- Original Message -
From: "Carl Peterson"
To:
"Customer CPE is a pizza box ufo <$200 and they are starting in 2020, but
there's no pictures or details. How is that even possible? We're buying
450b at a more expensive cost and there ain't no phased antenna with motors
in it."
The question is what do the parts or materials actually cost in
Hello all!
Since the holidays bandwidth usage seems to have been picking up. Average
bandwidth usage during primetime is now over 4 Mbps using a 5 minute average
and bursts are over 6.5 Mbps. Seems people like their new toys and streaming
services. I also see more and more co-ordinated events
I'm still very wary of this. There seems to be a lot of over-promising
under delivering. In typical Elon fashion, no details but the world runs
with it and puts out all these data models that make it seem like the
second coming of christ. Customer CPE is a pizza box ufo <$200 and they are
starting
On 1/21/20 12:08, Adam Moffett wrote:
Is this some kind of wireless or fiber optic pool? I think it's weird
how we can spend all day on this tangent.
That's why this list is the best.
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Years ago we had some kind of goofy thread that went for something like 61
days.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 1:08 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools
Is this some kind of wireless or fiber optic pool? I think it's weird how we
can spend
Is this some kind of wireless or fiber optic pool? I think it's weird
how we can spend all day on this tangent.
On 1/21/2020 2:00 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
Strange that you guys don't have auto fill float valves in your pool
to maintain the water levels...
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 9:59 AM
Strange that you guys don't have auto fill float valves in your pool to
maintain the water levels...
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 9:59 AM wrote:
> Had a pool at my last office. Fully motorized cover. Just flip the
> switch.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:38 AM
>
Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools
For the first few years, we did not cover the pool, but for the
last few years we had a roll-up cover. Using that made it easier
to heat (we had solar panels on the roof), to keep the heat in,
and reduced chlorine and water
Ugh.
I meant the sun also removes chlorine.
I'm sick, but there's work to be done...
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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools
Chuck,
Depends. Sun will help heat pool, but you can use solar panels to do that. Rain water dilutes chemicals and throws pool out of balance.
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The sun also removes algae.
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- Original Message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:59:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming PoolsSo do I want a roof over the pool? I may totally
enclose it, but if I choose not to and just screen it in, is having the sun on
the water a good thing or not?
I think the sun helps algae grow does it not?
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:50 AM
Had a pool at my last office. Fully motorized cover. Just flip the switch.
From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools
We are talking about a huge cover for that big of a pool. It would require
At least my water is free.
From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:32 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools
I have a 40,000 gal pool. My back yard is surrounded by trees (two sides of
crepe myrtles, and some kind of broadleaf deciduous
True. My Texas friends with pools all have them in screened in.
I've thought about that up here too, through obviously with much heavier
construction.
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Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools
Cameron,
Most of the pools in FL are screened in. Keeps bugs and other junk out. Don't think that would work well up north. I'm not a snow/ice expert, but guessing a screened roof would collapse under the weight eventually.
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We are talking about a huge cover for that big of a pool. It would require
probably 3 people to put out and take up. Not practical.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 11:36 AM Mike Hammett wrote:
> Would not a cover mitigate most of that?
>
>
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I think my takeaway from these anecdotes is that it depends on where you
are.
On 1/21/2020 12:32 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I have a 40,000 gal pool. My back yard is surrounded by trees (two
sides of crepe myrtles, and some kind of broadleaf deciduous trees
along the back) and I have a large
Would not a cover mitigate most of that?
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- Original Message -
From: "Cameron Crum"
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:32:33 AM
I think pool stores drive people away from pools by making poor
recommendations, artificially inflating the cost of pool maintenance.
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- Original Message -
From: "Doug Hass"
I have a 40,000 gal pool. My back yard is surrounded by trees (two sides of
crepe myrtles, and some kind of broadleaf deciduous trees along the back)
and I have a large pecan tree that has very high branches that hang over
the shallow end in one part. The squirrels like to play a game and see how
We have a freshwater pool here in Indiana. We get 5 months out of it, with
some heating at the front and back end. We add water most
Augusts/Septembers once the nights get cooler and you have more
evaporation, but that adds only $25-50 to our water bill in those months.
We haven't converted to
The "Apple Airport Utility" has some very basic wifi scanning abilities.
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:22 AM Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> OK, I’m not an Apple person. Not a big ideology thing, just don’t own any
> Apple devices except for an old eMac in the attic and my wife’s very old iPad.
>
>
>
> So
In many places a pool is considered an "attractive hazard", and those
areas require secure fencing around the pool area.
bp
On 1/21/2020 8:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Around here at least you are required to have a fence around a pool,
so kids don’t wander in and drown I assume.
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Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools
In FL it is an unwritten rule every house should have an in ground pool. We have had one for 20+ years. I do the salt deal. Really like it. Not very much maintenance. Of course we don't have to winterize and with the solar heaters, we get a good 9 months
Around here at least you are required to have a fence around a pool, so kids
don’t wander in and drown I assume.
From: AF On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools
A friend
A friend of mine owns a company that does nothing but remove in-ground
pools.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:44 AM dave via AF wrote:
> Around here the above ground pool doesnt de-value the property due to
> possible removal if wanted.
> In ground pools here sell for much less than a home without
Actually seen that done LOL!
On 1/20/20 12:43 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
Seth,
That's the equivalent of putting a Linksys router in a Tupperware
container and calling yourself a WISP.
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Myakka
Around here the above ground pool doesnt de-value the property due to
possible removal if wanted.
In ground pools here sell for much less than a home without one here.
There are some really nice above ground systems but the only thing I
would be concerned with is the decking or
construction to
You would think a upgrade to SM would be simple though, unless they did not put
tubes in.
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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
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The tablets are usually bad as they raise your CYA level.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.troublefreepool.poolmath=en
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pool-math-by-troublefreepool/id1228819359
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and they'll suck just as bad as their current networks do.
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- Original Message -
From: "Gino A. Villarini"
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Mathew Howard"
Sent:
Any network built by an idiot is garbage, no matter what technology they use.
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- Original Message -
From: "Matt Hoppes"
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Ken Hohhof"
In a month my parents might go through a handful of chlorine tablets and
a box of baking soda Theirs is only a 25' round pool, but the cost must
be linear with volume I would think. They added shock in the
spring.which I think is just stronger chlorine.
It's hard to imagine
It's very easy to get duped into spending too much on chemicals.
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- Original Message -
From: "Nate Burke"
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020
Facebook is like a hot tub.
From: AF On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools
Yes but spruced up and at scale. Like Facebook is just multiplayer, spammier
Microsoft Word.
On Tue,
Yes but spruced up and at scale. Like Facebook is just multiplayer,
spammier Microsoft Word.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 8:14 AM Ken Hohhof wrote:
> You just described a bathtub.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 21, 2020 2:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm
You just described a bathtub.
From: AF On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 2:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Swimming Pools
I feel that as a society we tend to have the wrong approach to most pools -
using recirculated old
I used to work for a large fitness center and I occasionally locked the
doors with someone inside though there was no alarm and they could
simply walk out. It's hard to check all the showers, steam rooms,
sauna's, bathrooms, side halls, stair wells etc. The worst part was the
jumpy house
I feel that as a society we tend to have the wrong approach to most pools -
using recirculated old water, spending time and money on chemicals such as
chlorine (that can cause a variety of annoying issues) to try to hide how
dirty the water is while not actually making it cleaner or healthier.
I
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