Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

Here is another way to run a single power source up the tower and then branch off that and remote power cycle the branches: https://streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DIN%2DRelay=0 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:34 PM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Use a media converter and access the Packetflux over fiber

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 custom combiner

10k-11k per link on Aviat with full throughput license. That includes Dish's and SFP's, power/fiber cable everything. Same price for 11/18ghz On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:59 PM Keefe John wrote: > What's the cost on those? > > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:53 PM Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > >>

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

Run a whole house UPS, get a couple of these 8KW units. http://www.outbackpower.com/products/integrated-systems/flexpower-radian On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:20 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > Yes, many models had the flaw/feature that they would turn off if there > was a battery fault. Combine that

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

Use a media converter and access the Packetflux over fiber too. :) On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 PM Josh Baird wrote: > I like this, and it’s very similar to what I have been thinking of. > > On the power side, I am considering doing power distribution at the top. > You can retain IP based

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

I like this, and it’s very similar to what I have been thinking of. On the power side, I am considering doing power distribution at the top. You can retain IP based power control if you use something like a PacketFlux 5ch PDU with a SiteMonitor. Both are tiny and could likely fit in the same

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are talking about? I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now. On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies. I > went with a "core locked"

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

Where are you getting the Tatical SM fiber from? Pricing? On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote: That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something equivalent. If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Office 365 name change

I don't really understand why. I mean, everyone knows what "Office" is (was). Maybe because it's become their main cash cow (besides Azure)? bp On 3/30/2020 10:13 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: They are renaming

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something equivalent.  If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation. We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid cable that would not fly due

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

I went down that route and its just easier to run separate fiber and power wires. Unless you are getting billed per wire up the tower its really not worth the added expense. On 3/30/2020 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote: I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

I watch his series on speakers really like how he approaches things. On 3/30/2020 10:15 AM, Robert wrote: I like this guy, what do you think of him? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLWBG_fbJR0 On 3/30/20 7:47 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths you would want... On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt wrote: > What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What

[AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt

Nothing quite like billionaires doing whatever they want. It's the American way. On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:05 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Not sure how I feel about rumors SpaceX is eyeing RDOF as a source of > funds. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 11:44

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

uhhon the customer's roof it's definitely not. On 3/30/2020 4:28 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: is that a euphemism? On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 3:23 PM Adam Moffett > wrote: I'm betting it just displays signal level, but now your hands are free to play with the

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

is that a euphemism? On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 3:23 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > I'm betting it just displays signal level, but now your hands are free to > play with the antenna. > > > On 3/30/2020 4:18 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > OK, so they need to activate the camera and have the inclination

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

I'm betting it just displays signal level, but now your hands are free to play with the antenna. On 3/30/2020 4:18 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: OK, so they need to activate the camera and have the inclination on the screen.  Maybe they do but I couldn’t read the phone screen. *From:* Ryan Ray

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

Yes, many models had the flaw/feature that they would turn off if there was a battery fault.  Combine that with batteries in a non controlled space and a charger that doesn't adjust the voltage for temperature and you can see a dead battery pretty rapidly.  Those things are time bombs.  If

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

OK, so they need to activate the camera and have the inclination on the screen. Maybe they do but I couldn’t read the phone screen. From: Ryan Ray Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 1:05 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy Doh I just noticed

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

Smart vs Back operate differently. Probably the most annoying one, is that Back will have no output power when utility is hot but the battery is bad. So your tower goes down when the power is just fine, but the battery is a little old. XL is faster charger, yes. That recovers battery voltage

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

I’ve heard a lot of people say the key wasn’t Smart or Dumb, but XL or not XL, on the premise that the XL models had a more robust charger. But I guess that’s for tower sites. I’ve run the little 500 VA BackUPS models for a long time with just a battery change every 3-5 years. They had

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Yep, I've been on the receiving end of that! On 03/30/2020 11:17 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 3/30/20 11:13 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I just finished a 330,000' fiber build for one of the largest companies in the world. I had to suffer through weekly (or more often) conference calls with

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

Doh I just noticed you're the one who posted the thread! Shows me for not paying attention. On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ryan Ray wrote: > Here's your answer Ken. It's for a cell phone. > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

Here's your answer Ken. It's for a cell phone. https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Post-sticking-up-on-new-450b-high-gain/m-p/116485#M9134 On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:05 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > They also moved the LEDs to where you can actually see them. Might not be > easy, but

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

I've seen them at home because we threw them away at work. I regretted it every time and just threw them away, or replaced it with Smart UPS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Yep. When I lived in Salt Lake designing the Leap Wireless (Cricket) cell network there in 2000-2001 I was contracting with Lucent. There were biweekly "team" meetings that lasted 4-5 hours each that were mostly the site aqc and construction teams talking about stuff that I didn't need my RF Team

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

I gotta take this offer to the Manager... -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 12:17 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query On 3/30/20 11:13 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I just finished a 330,000' fiber build for one of the

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

On 3/30/20 11:13 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I just finished a 330,000' fiber build for one of the largest companies in the world. I had to suffer through weekly (or more often) conference calls with project managers like this. I will never work for them again.  Nobody knows anything but they

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

A bit more specific in the culture. Basically it refers to Mormons that choose to imbibe. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 11:06 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work Is that comparable to the term “Easter Christian”, one who

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

I just finished a 330,000' fiber build for one of the largest companies in the world. I had to suffer through weekly (or more often) conference calls with project managers like this. I will never work for them again. Nobody knows anything but they mask it by having to take it up with their

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

Certainly not a favorite. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:40 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work Meaning that you drink Jack? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

I've been in a whole lotta tech companies. Before I settled down into wispdom I think the final count was 26 ( some at the same time, highest count 4 ). Nuc engineers are some of the best, some mostly populated by phd's ( medical company that ate itself alive after inventing pulse ox ) Give

[AFMUG] OT - Office 365 name change

They are renaming the plans. I found the old plans confusing. I don't find the new ones any less confusing. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2020/03/30/new-microsoft- 365-offerings-small-and-medium-sized-businesses/ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

Is that comparable to the term “Easter Christian”, one who attends church once a year? From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 11:37 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work I am technically a “Jack” Mormon

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 custom combiner

What's the cost on those? On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:53 PM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Don't know if i had something else going on but my AF11 link that was > showing 650mbps in the interface was never able to pass more than about > 500mbps, switched to Aviat and wow 1.4bps full duplex is

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Having had to deal with Google on their Fiber builds in California.. I can attest to that. Rooms full of 30 somethings who talk to themselves and believe their own hype. Try to tell them about any reality and they just say, we are Google that can't stop us.. They learned that their name

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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Well, that demolishes the jocks=troglodytes stereotype. And looking it up, apparently troglodyte means cave dweller aka caveman. From: AF On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:06 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query I

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

Meaning that you drink Jack? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 11:37:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Oh, I did read a book about the Moab uranium boom. I knew some of the Hunt family. From: Robert Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:34 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Charlie Steen, amazing guy who found uranium in Utah and had a wild life...

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

I am technically a “Jack” Mormon anymore. From: Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:14 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work Who said you mormons aren't any fun? On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:02 AM wrote: I think it works better to

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Charlie Steen, amazing guy who found uranium in Utah and had a wild life... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Steen On 3/30/20 8:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: No, I grew up in Oregon.  Who is Steen? *From:* Robert *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:56 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:*

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

I was going to mention upbringing, but I didn't want to seem whiny.  I don't think I was a weak or unathletic kid.  There was just no emphasis on organized sports at our house.  I could outrun most other kids on foot or on a bike.  I did a lot of outdoor climbing, hiking, and such.    But

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

Who said you mormons aren't any fun? On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:02 AM wrote: > I think it works better to mix 1.5 cups of everclear with several packages > of jello and some water. > Refrigerate the mix until it sets up. > > Liberally apply the jello to the inside of your mouth. > > *From:*

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

I wonder if Sterno could be used as hand sanitizer. Or pudding. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:46 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work Isopropyl doesn’t taste all that bad... From: Ken Hohhof

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

I think it works better to mix 1.5 cups of everclear with several packages of jello and some water. Refrigerate the mix until it sets up. Liberally apply the jello to the inside of your mouth. From: Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 8:47 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

No, I grew up in Oregon. Who is Steen? From: Robert Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Chuck, were you around Utah when Steen was making the splash around southern Utah? On 3/30/20 8:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I envy the

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

That's the stuff!   Grab it! On 3/30/20 8:44 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Everclear also won’t have the bad tasting stuff they add to isopropyl alcohol.  Although maybe that would be a good thing, since we’re not supposed to be touching our faces. I’m looking at a bottle of MG Chemicals Isopropyl

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Chuck, were you around Utah when Steen was making the splash around southern Utah? On 3/30/20 8:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I envy the role models you had. I came from dirt farmers, we lived in an unpainted house and the bathroom was a little building up the hill out the back door. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Yeah, it was pretty amazing. One of the reasons my grandfather got the academy recommendation is because he built his one generator out of a tractor motor and sold electricity to his nearby neighbors for $0.25 per lightbulb/month when he was 17. He grew up in a house with a dirt floor and no

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

Isopropyl doesn’t taste all that bad... From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:44 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work Everclear also won’t have the bad tasting stuff they add to isopropyl alcohol. Although maybe that would be a

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

Everclear also won’t have the bad tasting stuff they add to isopropyl alcohol. Although maybe that would be a good thing, since we’re not supposed to be touching our faces. I’m looking at a bottle of MG Chemicals Isopropyl Alcohol Electronics Cleaner 99.953% Pure Anhydrous on a shelf here

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

I envy the role models you had. I came from dirt farmers, we lived in an unpainted house and the bathroom was a little building up the hill out the back door. Electricity is magic. From: Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:40 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

LOL! You might be on to something. On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM wrote: > But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful! > > *From:* Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful! From: Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football scholarship athlete

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

On 3/30/20 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: No.  Just no.  No.  Back UPS are terrible.  Smart-UPS have been great to us over the years. 100% of our issues are Back UPS related. I'll use a Back-UPS at home, but that's about it. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

No. Just no. No. Back UPS are terrible. Smart-UPS have been great to us over the years. 100% of our issues are Back UPS related. If you can, refurb ones are fantastic - especially the 750. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

I like this guy, what do you think of him? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLWBG_fbJR0 On 3/30/20 7:47 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe gel. This gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had plenty of Everclear and

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool athlete who got a deferred congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up

Re: [AFMUG] Next December

As for the shortage, I did see an article that said the worlds largest condom maker had switched exclusively to gloves for this deal, so there will be a condom shortage soon. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 7:17 PM David Coudron wrote: > That virus stuff is beyond my pay grade, I was really just trying

Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

>From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe gel. This gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had plenty of Everclear and it's cheap. On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 PM Robert wrote: > at 70 percent you better just wave the aloe over it because that is

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

We put up an 80Ghz Aviat and it IS a nice radio. Time will tell if it REMAINS a nice radio. Jim Bouse Owner - Brazos WiFi 979-985-5912 http://www.brazoswifi.com From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 8:02 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt

Not sure how I feel about rumors SpaceX is eyeing RDOF as a source of funds. From: AF On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 11:44 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt Spacex next?

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

Voice in the back of my head says that sounds like me back when I bought Trango, and again when I bought Exalt G2. But Aviat does appear to have a nice radio. From: AF On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 12:30 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: