Only morons raise their hand for that, or they redefine "escort"
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 3:37 PM Bill Prince wrote:
> I would like to see a show of hands for those who think he will need to be
> escorted out of the White House?
>
>
> bp
>
>
> On 11/13/2020 1:31 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> And
Georgia doesn't make any difference one way or the other,
although most networks declared Biden the winner there today.
Suits filed in Michigan and Arizona have been dropped, and Biden
was declared winner in both (not certified yet, but the margins
are large
I figure the earliest anything is going to change is once Georgia is done
with their "Audit" next week.
I expect that there are Republican leaders who are hoping that Georgia
finds something. If they don't then that is going to put one of the final
nails in the coffin (not that there aren't
In that case I put $5 on never. That seems like a sure thing.
The bigger question to me isn't whether he would do that, it's whether
he believes in his heart of hearts that he really won or whether it's
all alpha posturing behavior.
On 11/13/2020 5:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
OK then to
https://www.thesportsgeek.com/sportsbooks/political/
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 5:40 PM wrote:
> I’m in.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, November 13, 2020 4:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT A betting pool
>
> I'm thinking the concession call will
I’m in.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 4:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT A betting pool
I'm thinking the concession call will never happen.
Who was the guy who ghost wrote Art of the Deal? Tony Schwartz? Way back in
2016, he thought
I'm thinking the concession call will never happen.
Who was the guy who ghost wrote Art of the Deal? Tony Schwartz? Way back in
2016, he thought that he would declare victory and quit. Well, he's
declared victory, now all we need is for him to quit, and Tony will have
been right.
We need to set
OK then to win the pool, Trump has to call Biden and wish him well.
Congratulate him on his victory.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 3:48 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT A betting pool
You can’t bet on conceding unless you define
You can’t bet on conceding unless you define “concede”.
It’s like nobody apologizes anymore, they issue a non-apology apology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-apology_apology
The consensus seems to be he will eventually accept and move on but will never
concede, will probably never
Is that your bet? $5
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:36 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT A betting pool
I would like to see a show of hands for those who think he will need to be
escorted out of the White House?
bp
On 11/13/2020 1:31 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
Can we take a bet on when he’ll release his new "behind-the-resolute-desk" TV
show? I was always wondering if he had a camera crew following him around for
the last 4 years for a future TV show. If you thought keeping up with the
kardashians was bad, wait for this monstrosity.
> On Nov 13,
Funny but that was exactly Trump's margin with Clinton (Although there were
a few faithless electors) which he called something like "an electoral
college landslide". I'm pretty sure it won't come down to escorting him
out of the white house but I don't think he will ever concede. Why would
he?
The local radio station just did a contest as to when they would turn on
the xmas music this year. You submitted your date/time and if you were
right you won $1k.
I'm sure there's some Vegas bookmaker that would happily take your money
on this. Didn't I hear that they were the first ones to
I would like to see a show of hands for those who think he will
need to be escorted out of the White House?
bp
On 11/13/2020 1:31 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:
And another bet with him never conceding... but that is
And another bet with him never conceding... but that is unfair.
We would probably place that second bet.
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: OT A betting pool
I wish we could figure out how to make some money on this.
Wapo shows
I wish we could figure out how to make some money on this.
Wapo shows it’s now done at 306 for Biden and 232 for Mt. T
I will take Trump conceding December 14th at noon. $5
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Hmm, I have a pixel4 and still got the notice.
On 11/13/2020 1:56 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
The article I read said that all current Pixel phones would continue
to have unlimited storage, but that it would not be extended to
"future" Pixel phones.
bp
On 11/13/2020 11:47 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Arizona! Adios muchacho
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 10:18 AM justsumname wrote:
> Insisting that State and Federal laws be followed in the election is NOT
> 'undermining' the country. Just the opposite.
> Firing people who are sympathetic to the radicals is NOT 'undermining' the
> country. Just
Someone I "know" was tasked with finding a place to put some surplus
equipment in a nuclear physics lab on a campus. This person could not find
any shelf space. There were however dozens of banker boxes full of punch
cards. Seems it was the raw data that one of the professors had based his
Good news is there is a limited production capacity for all of these tech
toys. Bad news is they will likely all sell out.
On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 6:28 PM Steve Jones
wrote:
> im dreading this holiday season
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 6:16 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
The article I read said that all current Pixel phones would continue to
have unlimited storage, but that it would not be extended to "future"
Pixel phones.
bp
On 11/13/2020 11:47 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Got a notice yesterday that in June Google will be discontinuing
'free' storage of Google
Google Drive is also now going to empty your trash after 30 days.
Reminds me of the Dilbert strip where the Records Retention clerk just throws
the stuff out, saying his job got easier when he realized nobody ever asked for
the stuff back.
-Original Message-
From: AF On Behalf Of
Got a notice yesterday that in June Google will be discontinuing 'free'
storage of Google Photos. All photos and videos synced from your phone
will now count against your storage allotment. I thought it was
interesting that 'unlimited' photo storage was a feature on the Pixel4
line, but that
The older I get, the more shades of gray I see.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 11:47 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
There is (currently) a segment of the population that wants things to be clear
cut. Up-down, left-right,
To me, socialism is the government taking all or part of the money,
not the property, and then giving everyone back what they need.
Otto Von Bismark is basically the father of modern, organized public
welfare systems. He was also a firm supporter of the Imperial
government of Germany and
There is (currently) a segment of the population that wants
things to be clear cut. Up-down, left-right, north-south,
male-female.
I think (I'm spitballing here, so don't get bent out of shape)
that that segment gets their knickers in a twist when something
Adam, As usual.. nailed it.
On 11/13/20 10:08 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Part of the problem with discussing socialism is inconsistent
definitions. There are people saying they are "socialist" who think
that just means the government providing public welfare services. The
original definition
I equate government owing everything with communism. All property, all
businesses. Everything.
I don’t care enough to read Marx to learn the true meaning.
To me, socialism is the government taking all or part of the money, not the
property, and then giving everyone back what they need.
I did the Google training on Coursera and that exam was also proctored
by ProctorU.
On 11/13/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I can’t respond directly to your question. But note that you can get
your certification from a different company that you use as your SAS.
And if you’re having
Part of the problem with discussing socialism is inconsistent
definitions. There are people saying they are "socialist" who think
that just means the government providing public welfare services. The
original definition is government controlling the economy.
Welfare is only socialist in the
Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
For four years all we heard on the nightly news was Russia influence was the only way Trump won. It was miserable. Presidents were disliked in the past and the other side would always go after them. Clinton, Bush, Obama were all attacked and
I can't respond directly to your question. But note that you can get your
certification from a different company that you use as your SAS. And if
you're having problems with Google/Coursera, keep in mind Google will be
your TPA going forward, so there may be ongoing problems.
FWIW, I took
Where the frick do people start throwing Communism around in regards to
the US. Sorry but this weird paranoid outlook is just getting to me.
Growing up in the 50's and 60's we knew what communism is/was and the US
has never ever _ever_ been close to supporting communism. We have been
According to Coursera, Google's CBRS CPI Certificate (required for CBRS
operation) remains unavailable since at least early October.
Has anyone successfully taken the Google CPI Certificate exam in the last month?
I had completed the training and sat down during my scheduled time with
ProctorU
Insisting that State and Federal laws be followed in the election is NOT
'undermining' the country. Just the opposite.
Firing people who are sympathetic to the radicals is NOT 'undermining' the
country. Just the opposite.
Polar-opposite worlds. I just don't get it. Anyone here know what
On 11/13/20 8:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Yes I know, carriers still have them. But I try to do firmware updates
and stuff at 3am and it’s amazing how much traffic there still is. Hard
to tell how much of it is important vs live streaming TV left on or game
downloads. But there’s no time you
+1 google
On 11/13/20 10:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Maintenance windows are a concept from “the before times” (B.C.,
before Covid)
Yes I know, carriers still have them. But I try to do firmware
updates and stuff at 3am and it’s amazing how much traffic there still
is. Hard to tell how
+1
On 11/13/20 7:38 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:
I would suggest maybe two 2 gig commits with 10gig ports uncapped. This will
allow either provider to go down and with good network design you can use
multiple routers to prevent a outage of your equipment. Should be cheaper than
4 1gig
Maintenance windows are a concept from “the before times” (B.C., before Covid)
Yes I know, carriers still have them. But I try to do firmware updates and
stuff at 3am and it’s amazing how much traffic there still is. Hard to tell
how much of it is important vs live streaming TV left on or
I bet your switches haven't ever crashed either.
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 10:10 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> Switches should not be crashing in a carrier environment.
>
> On Nov 13, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>
> You're misrepresenting the DE-CIX
Something always breaks. I am not sure what carriers you are referring to
when you say switches shouldn't break. if it has current flowing through
it, it will break. Even if they are replacing something they believe will
prevent impending doom, chances are there will be some service impact as
they
On 11/13/20 7:09 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Switches should not be crashing in a carrier environment.
Then why consider multiple carriers? Just single home to one and be
done. No worrying about the complexities of multiple providers if
nothing ever breaks in a carrier environment.
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A modern building, up to code, should never burn down completely. Shit
happens. That's why you're considering multiple connections.
Massive LA Building Fire Closes Parts of 2 Freeways - ABC7 San Francisco
On 11/13/2020 10:09 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Switches should not be crashing in a carrier
Switches should not be crashing in a carrier environment.
> On Nov 13, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>
> You're misrepresenting the DE-CIX situation.
>
> One switch crashed, which happens from time to time for everyone.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing
You're misrepresenting the DE-CIX situation.
One switch crashed, which happens from time to time for everyone.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Matt Hoppes"
To: "AnimalFarm
Joining an IX is more complicated than just buying Internet service and
recently we had the DECIX in New York City completely crash which took down a
whole bunch of traffic.
I would rather have multiple carriers than be relying on a single IX that I
have no control over
> On Nov 13, 2020, at
Not to disagree with the recommendation to join an IX or two or in anyway
undermine the point, but I can see why some go for larger pipes rather than
IXes. It's simpler and may be, if not cheaper, about the same cost. In any case
you are going to need the big pipes, in case the IX goes tits up.
I remember trying to affect BGP routing and never being able to. Carriers
either don't support it or change their level of support. Never worked out.
Seems the best was just to buy what you could afford, the more the merrier,
then whittle it down to your top two % traffic carriers when the
Announcing more specifics than the supernet grows the routing table. Large
routing table bad.
Jared
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020
From: "Ken Hohhof"
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers
Maybe you need to elaborate.
From: AF On Behalf
As other have written, using communities is the way to go. Here's a list of
upstream communities, you can often find more by searching for $UPSTREAM BGP
community:
https://onestep.net/communities/
Stay away from Hurricane Electric, they have no communities at all. Better to
peer directly with
Maybe you need to elaborate.
From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 8:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers
Please, please only use prefix length as a traffic engineering effort as the
very, very last measure. Those
Also, if you're exceeding the 1G level, you really need to be connecting to an
IX to offload the bulk of your traffic. If you're exceeding 10G, you need to be
connecting to multiple IXes.
I see ISPs all of the time thinking they need 40G and 100G connections to
Cogent and Hurricane, but
Please, please only use prefix length as a traffic engineering effort as the
very, very last measure. Those that do that make the Internet worse for
everyone.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message
What he said prepending sucks.. use /24's if you can. Also yes time to look for
some 10Gbps interfaces. No way around it! I went from 1G to several 10G
interfaces now I'm pushing my carriers for 100G interfaces. Carriers like
Cogeco are telling me that we are the topic of discussion on a daily
There are many methods, with the "best" to use being prepends and communities.
The worst being chopping up prefixes.
I would spread your net as wide as you can for the best performance and
stability across the greater Internet.
*MOST IMPORTANT*
Note that your traffic usage will be
I would suggest maybe two 2 gig commits with 10gig ports uncapped. This will
allow either provider to go down and with good network design you can use
multiple routers to prevent a outage of your equipment. Should be cheaper than
4 1gig internet connections and better than one 10gig .
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