Re: [AFMUG] sale bulk used Mikrotik swtiches

2024-04-27 Thread Zach Underwood
We have standardized on refurbished cisco 3650 POE for our IDF switches that are deploying close to 100 a month right now. That may be pushed up to 200-300 a month by the end of the year. We use arista for fore switch at our MDU sites, Mikrotik routers as site route and arista for both route and

Re: [AFMUG] sale bulk used Mikrotik swtiches

2024-04-27 Thread Dennis Burgess via AF
Just wondering what the reason is for pulling the MikroTik Switches ? Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage

[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: Govt funded fiber - Utopia

2024-04-27 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
They did pledge sales tax revenue to back the bonds. So if UTOPIA cannot make its debt service the sales tax will fill in. I wonder if that has happened yet. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 2:13 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Govt

Re: [AFMUG] Govt funded fiber - Utopia

2024-04-27 Thread Ken Hohhof
There's also "sunk funds syndrome" (aka good money after bad) and a dose of "too big to fail". Original Message From: "Bill Prince" Sent: 4/27/2024 2:57:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Govt funded fiber - Utopia Bernie Madoff

Re: [AFMUG] Govt funded fiber - Utopia

2024-04-27 Thread Ken Hohhof
I am not from Utah and don't understand how UTOPIA is financed. Doing some Google searches, I am still in the dark. But while revenue bonds would not take funds away from other govt services, it doesn't seem like that's the case. I saw several references to additional debt and municipalities

Re: [AFMUG] Govt funded fiber - Utopia

2024-04-27 Thread Bill Prince
Bernie Madoff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Madoff bp On 4/27/2024 12:47 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: But I think UTOPIA is supposed to be making the bond payments itself. The real question is where does the money come from to cover the shortfall each year.  The only other source

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2024-04-27 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
But I think UTOPIA is supposed to be making the bond payments itself. The real question is where does the money come from to cover the shortfall each year. The only other source of money they have is signing up new cities. If that is how they operate they will eventually run out of new cities

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2024-04-27 Thread Bill Prince
Bonds are paid (usually, unless specified differently when they were issued) out of general revenue funds. If the  funds used to pay bonds take away enough, the services get compromised, reduced, or not funded at all. bp On 4/27/2024 9:33 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: I fail to see how

[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: Govt funded fiber - Utopia

2024-04-27 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
If they default, yes. They are in the tens of millions deficit each year. I wonder where they get the money for the shortfall. -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 10:33 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re:

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2024-04-27 Thread fiberrun
I fail to see how revenue bonds divert essential funding away from services that really matter to the public. Jared       Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia