[jira] Commented: (SUREFIRE-704) maven surefire Error while executing forked tests.; nested exception is java.lang.IllegalStateException: testSetStarting called twice

2011-05-19 Thread Chad Wilson (JIRA)
[ http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/SUREFIRE-704?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=267444#action_267444 ] Chad Wilson commented on SUREFIRE-704: -- (Possibly not, re: 2nd question - as mvn -q test still

[jira] Commented: (SUREFIRE-704) maven surefire Error while executing forked tests.; nested exception is java.lang.IllegalStateException: testSetStarting called twice

2011-05-19 Thread Chad Wilson (JIRA)
[ http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/SUREFIRE-704?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=267495#action_267495 ] Chad Wilson commented on SUREFIRE-704: -- Excellent - thanks Kristian. I'll add a dummy ticket

[jira] Created: (SUREFIRE-741) Stdout/stderr is now not being included in XML test reports for test failures

2011-05-19 Thread Chad Wilson (JIRA)
Issue Type: Bug Components: Maven Failsafe Plugin, Maven Surefire Plugin Affects Versions: 2.8.1, 2.8 Reporter: Chad Wilson In Surefire 2.8 and 2.8.1 there is no std-out and std-err being included in test reports for either the Surefire or Failsafe plugins

[jira] Closed: (SUREFIRE-741) Stdout/stderr is now not being included in XML test reports for test failures

2011-05-19 Thread Chad Wilson (JIRA)
[ http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/SUREFIRE-741?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Chad Wilson closed SUREFIRE-741. Resolution: Fixed Fix Version/s: 2.9 I have tested this in 2.8.2-SNAPSHOT (now 2.9-SNAPSHOT

[jira] Commented: (SUREFIRE-704) maven surefire Error while executing forked tests.; nested exception is java.lang.IllegalStateException: testSetStarting called twice

2011-04-17 Thread Chad Wilson (JIRA)
[ http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/SUREFIRE-704?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=263809#action_263809 ] Chad Wilson commented on SUREFIRE-704: -- Alas, I spoke too soon. Getting random failures again

[jira] Commented: (SUREFIRE-704) maven surefire Error while executing forked tests.; nested exception is java.lang.IllegalStateException: testSetStarting called twice

2011-04-15 Thread Chad Wilson (JIRA)
[ http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/SUREFIRE-704?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=263648#action_263648 ] Chad Wilson commented on SUREFIRE-704: -- Apologies Kristian, I missed your reply earlier

[jira] Commented: (SUREFIRE-704) maven surefire Error while executing forked tests.; nested exception is java.lang.IllegalStateException: testSetStarting called twice

2011-03-01 Thread Chad Wilson (JIRA)
[ http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/SUREFIRE-704?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=258150#action_258150 ] Chad Wilson commented on SUREFIRE-704: -- It's possible that this is spurious (and it certainly

[jira] Issue Comment Edited: (SUREFIRE-704) maven surefire Error while executing forked tests.; nested exception is java.lang.IllegalStateException: testSetStarting called twice

2011-03-01 Thread Chad Wilson (JIRA)
[ http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/SUREFIRE-704?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=258150#action_258150 ] Chad Wilson edited comment on SUREFIRE-704 at 3/2/11 12:28 AM: --- It's

Re: Bean component / BeanInfo thread safety

2011-02-16 Thread Chad Wilson
Hi Martin Thanks - yes, that's what we are thinking of doing as a workaround slightly easier than a code change. I'll give it a go and see if it does as expected. I guess it depends whether Camel goes back to the factory for each message or whether the bean is cached somewhere. Conversely, I

Re: Bean component / BeanInfo thread safety

2011-02-16 Thread Chad Wilson
Thanks Claus. Do you think this issue might affect BeanInfo use elsewhere in Camel, e.g. in bean/simple expressions, or is the BeanInfo introspection repeated separately for each exchange in those cases, thus not shared between threads? -- View this message in context:

Bean component / BeanInfo thread safety

2011-02-15 Thread Chad Wilson
Hi guys An issue occurred today which surprised me - Camel 2.4.0 threw a ConcurrentModificationException and caused a message to be lost on a route. We have a route that essentially simplifies down to from(jms:queue:myQueue?concurrentConsumers=3) .unmarshal() .to(bean:mySpringBean);

[jira] Created: (CAMEL-3467) Clarify use of showStrackTrace in log component

2010-12-27 Thread Chad Wilson (JIRA)
Affects Versions: 2.5.0 Reporter: Chad Wilson Priority: Minor I think it'd be worth clarifying in the documentation for showStackTrace at http://camel.apache.org/log.html that you must have one of showAll, showException or showCaughtException defined

Re: Issue with route specific onException and jms component

2010-12-26 Thread Chad Wilson
Claus Ibsen-2 wrote: So where does your exception occur? And where do you expect Camel to react? The exception is engineered by the test to occur inside the JMS Component when trying to establish a connection to an invalid host. While my test case uses the TIBCO connection factory, the

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Clarify order of precidence of guidelines and principles

2010-04-08 Thread Chad Wilson
On 8/04/2010 9:39 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Chad Wilson chad.wil...@gmx.net mailto:chad.wil...@gmx.net wrote: On 8/04/2010 2:15 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: Track titles would not, however, and the principle's page is quite clear

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Clarify order of precidence of guidelines and principles

2010-04-07 Thread Chad Wilson
On 8/04/2010 2:15 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: Track titles would not, however, and the principle's page is quite clear that it is solely about track titles: This is the Style Principle used for ambiguous track titles, where there are multiple track titles (sometimes with different

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Make Don't Make Relationship Clusters history, and no longer an official guideline

2010-03-30 Thread Chad Wilson
On 31/03/2010 6:10 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: Veto as well. I'm not going to argue and argue ad nauseum about each sentence in the earlier thread, deconstructed sentence by sentence and quibbling about definitions of deleting as was your last reply to mine. I don't know

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Make Don't Make Relationship Clusters history, and no longer an official guideline

2010-03-24 Thread Chad Wilson
On 24/03/2010 8:53 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Chad Wilson chad.wil...@gmx.net mailto:chad.wil...@gmx.net wrote: On 24/03/2010 8:12 a.m., SwissChris wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Per Øyvind Øygard pero...@stud.ntnu.no mailto:pero

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Make Don't Make Relationship Clusters history, and no longer an official guideline

2010-03-24 Thread Chad Wilson
On 25/03/2010 1:51 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Chad Wilson chad.wil...@gmx.net mailto:chad.wil...@gmx.net wrote: On 24/03/2010 8:53 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Chad Wilson chad.wil...@gmx.net

Re: [mb-style] Remix and Remixer Relationship Types clarification

2010-03-21 Thread Chad Wilson
On 20/03/2010 6:43 p.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: Remix Relationship Type is both track-track and release-release. Remixer Relationship Type is both release-artist and track-artist. But while examples are provided, neither actually defines the case where the release version would be valid.

Re: [mb-style] Consistency in terminology question

2010-03-21 Thread Chad Wilson
On 18/03/2010 3:43 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com mailto:davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/3/17 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com mailto:brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com Going through the

Re: [mb-style] Band With Main Performer Name?

2010-03-21 Thread Chad Wilson
On 15/03/2010 8:40 p.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: Does anyone know anything about Band With Main Performer Name? Band With Main Performer Name also is odd, in that it seems to define a case where we would actually invent an artist. Supporting Musician Relationship Type formerly had this

Re: [mb-style] The co attribute

2010-03-21 Thread Chad Wilson
On 12/03/2010 8:17 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: This indicates that the person collaborated in their engineering duties, with another engineer or with the performing artist This relationship attribute exists for the Engineer Relationship Type, and should exist (but hasn't been implemented

Re: [mb-style] RFC2: Add Has News Coverage At AR

2010-03-21 Thread Chad Wilson
On 17/03/2010 12:00 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Chad Wilson chad.wil...@gmx.net mailto:chad.wil...@gmx.net wrote: On 16/03/2010 7:10 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: Are all these changes enough to make the AR both seem useful and non

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Change how we handle Engineers and their roles

2010-03-21 Thread Chad Wilson
On 18/03/2010 1:09 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: This is RFC-251. Assuming a seconder, and without objections, this proposal will move to RFV on 2010-03-24. :) This proposal would change how we handle Engineers. It would keep the current level of detail, but make engineer ARs more

Re: [mb-style] Part of series relationship

2010-03-17 Thread Chad Wilson
On 16/03/2010 1:51 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: I agree that eventually a Series or Box entity would be most desirable, but until then, there's no other way that would allow linking together Series. For a multi-volume classical set of a single composer, that's an annoyance, but not a real

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Release Groups guideline

2010-03-17 Thread Chad Wilson
On 10/03/2010 5:27 p.m., jacobbrett wrote: I'm championing a new version of this guideline here (haven't yet edited/reviewed it): http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Jacobbrett/Release_Groups There appears to be no history for the user page to show what has changed from the version that was

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Make Don't Make Relationship Clusters history, and no longer an official guideline

2010-03-17 Thread Chad Wilson
On 17/03/2010 9:30 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:19 PM, drsaunde drsau...@hotmail.com mailto:drsau...@hotmail.com wrote: Brian Schweitzer wrote: (I wish I had've noticed that all traditional compositions would become unknown before it

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Make Don't Make Relationship Clusters history, and no longer an official guideline

2010-03-16 Thread Chad Wilson
On 16/03/2010 9:18 p.m., drsaunde wrote: Veto. No time to provide reasons but they will be with the original proposal. There is a reason many proposals stalled, because they are crap. Are you even dealing with original concerns issues with proposals before ramming all this crap through (I

Re: [mb-style] RFC2: Add Has News Coverage At AR

2010-03-16 Thread Chad Wilson
On 16/03/2010 7:10 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: Are all these changes enough to make the AR both seem useful and non-problematic? :) This remains RFC-68. Without continued objection/debate, this new RFC will move to RFV status on 2010-03-22. Thanks! Brian Not really, no. I don't

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Throttling RFCs in the proposal process

2010-03-16 Thread Chad Wilson
That's just silly talk. No-one is complaining that raw # emails is the issue. It's the amount of thinking required content that causes the issue, and evidence that others have actually looked at and considered a proposal is a good thing. If 3 or 4 people I trust have already said +1 to a

Re: [mb-style] Parent Relationship Type and Sibling Relationship Type issues

2010-03-16 Thread Chad Wilson
On 17/03/2010 7:34 a.m., SwissChris wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com mailto:brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: I've run into another 2 ARs with open issues and suggestions dating back anywhere from 1 to 4 years, without

Re: [mb-style] Slow down.

2010-03-14 Thread Chad Wilson
On 11/03/2010 7:59 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: To be honest, I don't understand the complaint. You guys are complaining about a flood, talking about a mailing list where there has been an average of... only 15 emails a day (including all the emails complaining about this 'flood'). Also

[mb-style] Slow down.

2010-03-09 Thread Chad Wilson
I personally think the list is being flooded with far too much content/blah to be reviewed in the amounts of time the current RFC/V process allows. This isn't fair. It risks things being swept through the system without proper care and oversight which is the opposite of what the process is

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Contains samples from IMDb link AR

2010-03-09 Thread Chad Wilson
On 9/03/2010 9:57 p.m., Chris B wrote: Trac: http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/3032#comment:20 Proposal: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Samples_From_Relationship_Type which is similar to http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/IMDb_Relationship_Type (not sure that they could be consolidated, though!) Sorry

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add Has News Coverage At AR

2010-03-07 Thread Chad Wilson
On 7/03/2010 2:56 p.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: I think the fear is there'd be tons of URLs linked, but without any context, those URLs don't give much, other than that you know there's some news article about the artist on the other end. However, if the AR description field

Re: [mb-style] Fighting against mass destructive capitalization changes

2010-03-02 Thread Chad Wilson
On 2/03/2010 11:16 a.m., jacobbrett wrote: neothe0ne wrote: Even for English/Latin releases, guess case, and English capitalization standard is destructive. Japanese releases consistently use capitalization for something other than language (ever heard of style?), yet according to MB

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add Has News Coverage At AR

2010-02-28 Thread Chad Wilson
at 2:33 AM, Chad Wilson chad.wil...@gmx.net mailto:chad.wil...@gmx.net wrote: I think this needs to be properly clarified as to its intention. People will start adding links to individual articles about artists or releases which /surely/ cannot be the goal of this proposal

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add Has News Coverage At AR

2010-02-27 Thread Chad Wilson
I think this needs to be properly clarified as to its intention. People will start adding links to individual articles about artists or releases which /surely/ cannot be the goal of this proposal? If that were it happen it seems to me that it will create an absolute mess of links of dubious

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Part of series relationship

2010-02-26 Thread Chad Wilson
On 27/02/2010 12:30 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl mailto:k...@frob.nl wrote: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 08:07:24PM +0800, Chad Wilson wrote: My own apprehension was caused by a couple of factors: 1 - IIRC (and I

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Part of series relationship

2010-02-25 Thread Chad Wilson
pages that have been created so far, and it seems to be pretty well thought out and documented. What information needs to be added (if any), for this to be appropriate for the RFC stage? On 23/02/2010 4:35 a.m., Chad Wilson wrote: My apologies; I didn't see this message before replying

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Part of series relationship

2010-02-25 Thread Chad Wilson
On 25/02/2010 11:04 p.m., Nikki wrote: I'd much rather see all entries in a release group linked to the same entry (typically earliest). It makes it a lot easier for someone to see which releases belong to the series (and we have release events if people want to generate lists sorted by

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Part of series relationship

2010-02-22 Thread Chad Wilson
My apologies; I didn't see this message before replying to your other thread on mb-users. Kinda cross posting here. The follow-up to the below was the writing of http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Part_Of_Series_Relationship_Type and associated terminology page http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Series

Re: [mb-style] Request for Debate: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q1: Groups and Gender

2010-02-18 Thread Chad Wilson
On 18/02/2010 11:50 p.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: Personally, I don't think groups should have genders. Would simply a group, like New Kids on the Block, being known as a boy band then make it a male group, rather than simply a group - and if so, wouldn't whatever special meaning is being

[jira] Commented: (MECLIPSE-262) Maven compilation and eclipse classpath don't match with conflicting versions at same dependency depth

2010-01-25 Thread Chad Wilson (JIRA)
[ http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MECLIPSE-262?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=208161#action_208161 ] Chad Wilson commented on MECLIPSE-262: -- The core issue here still happens with maven-eclipse

Re: [mb-style] Revisiting the Miscellaneous Guidline

2010-01-23 Thread Chad Wilson
On 23/01/2010 4:20 p.m., Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: 2010/1/23 Chad Wilson chad.wil...@gmx.net mailto:chad.wil...@gmx.net On 23/01/2010 6:04 a.m., Paul C. Bryan wrote: I'd like to see if people's views on the Miscellaneous Guideline [http://wiki.musicbrainz.org

Re: [mb-style] Revisiting the Miscellaneous Guidline

2010-01-22 Thread Chad Wilson
On 23/01/2010 6:04 a.m., Paul C. Bryan wrote: I'd like to see if people's views on the Miscellaneous Guideline [http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Miscellaneous_Guideline] has changed since it was incepted, specifically regarding the use of ASCII for compatibility. I'm in favor of removing these

Re: [mb-style] Audiobook Style Proposal, Mark I

2009-12-23 Thread Chad Wilson
I like the general idea of this, but I don't understand parts of it. While I'm not an audiobook fanatic, I think that's a problem. I'm mainly talking about the track title section. For point 1 - is this only valid if the release only has a single track? It doesn't read correctly to me if I am

Re: [mb-style] RFC: SPAs cleanup (attempt 3 ) - last call before RFV, please read on *Sunday* if possible

2009-12-13 Thread Chad Wilson
On 13/12/2009 9:59 p.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: Renames: * Rename [data track] to [data]. Sorry to be very late on this one, but I just noticed the data track rename. Note that this artist is actually referred to in the Official Guideline at http://musicbrainz.org/doc/DataTrackStyle

Re: [mb-style] [CSG] Crediting samples of classical

2009-10-30 Thread Chad Wilson
Andrew Conkling wrote: On Oct 29, 2009, at 22:20, Chad Wilson wrote: For anyone who wants to help me confirm, the notable samples are at A) 0:00-0:12 B) 0:50-0:59 (and looping every 11-12 seconds or so) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu1eDW8iS8I I believe sample A comes from 1:42 - 1

Re: [mb-style] [CSG] Crediting samples of classical

2009-10-29 Thread Chad Wilson
Thanks a lot for your replies guys. The sample is credited as: Contains samples from Requiem K 626, Rex Tremendae Majestatis Requiem K 626 Confutatis (Motzart). Performed by Wolfgang Amadeus Motzart. Used courtesy of Fantasy Records. UBP. ARR. - can one infer anything from Fantasy

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Release Groups guideline

2009-07-31 Thread Chad Wilson
Pavan Chander wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Aurélien Mino a.m...@free.fr mailto:a.m...@free.fr wrote: In the last section of the page, we have: The title of a release group should usually be the title of its individual releases, removing Extra Title Information

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Release Groups guideline

2009-07-31 Thread Chad Wilson
Brian Schweitzer wrote: Honestly, since when did we ever decide to actually change data, the meaning of entity types, or decide to make an objective field into a subjective field simple because it made one view of the data look cleaner? If people want session entities, to group all

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Release Groups guideline

2009-07-31 Thread Chad Wilson
Brian Schweitzer wrote: Secondly, we're not changing the meaning of anything. The feature is new; we're defining it for the first time. So don't paint it as if someone is skewing the original developer intention of the concept - that's not the case, and you're weasel wording.

Re: [mb-style] DiscogsRelationshipType and pending Discogs releases

2009-07-16 Thread Chad Wilson
Edward J. Shornock wrote: * Toni Panadès ton...@gmail.com [16-07-2009 21:11 EEST]: I agree completely with pbryan, should not be complex to check periodically and automatically for invalid URL's. Agreed as well. Any site's page can disappear at any time; fear of future 404s

Re: [mb-style] http://www.akuma.de

2009-06-09 Thread Chad Wilson
If money is the issue, then why don't we just put targeted Amazon or Google Ads all over the site rather than corrupting the dataset? I'm being facetious, but it's a serious point - moving into something that looks like selling ARs doesn't feel like the MB way to me. More careful consideration

Re: [mb-style] When Band Name Does Not Include 'the'

2009-06-07 Thread Chad Wilson
Completely agreed with Brian. There is no need for a guideline here which would merely conflict with the (admittedly vague, but only workable) principle of ConsistentOriginalData. I'm not even sure what problem this is trying to solve. Chad Brian Schweitzer wrote: (Clarification note to the

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC: Release Groups (and associated style)

2009-06-02 Thread Chad Wilson
Kuno Woudt wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:47:45AM -0400, Pavan Chander wrote: Yes you can merge/move a release group from VA to a single artist. You pointed out it would be lost, what I would like to point out is that it is already lost, and moving it to an artist (other than Various

Re: [mb-style] Re-release with bonus disc and Release groups

2009-06-01 Thread Chad Wilson
Gioele wrote: So, I vote for scenario 1. That is the only scenario that does not exploit the fact that we have release groups, and is, in fact, what we did before we had release groups :) This is entirely expected, since WhatDefinesAUniqueRelease and the philosophy underlying it

Re: [mb-style] Re-release with bonus disc and Release groups

2009-05-30 Thread Chad Wilson
Bram van Dijk wrote: Please correct me if I didn;t understand this right. But I thought the release groups were supposed to make things cleaner. So if we have an original release and a re-release, they can go into the same release group. Now you are proposing to not merge them (if the

Re: [mb-style] Just what is a Release Group?

2009-05-25 Thread Chad Wilson
Brian Schweitzer wrote: The several different threads running at the moment all seem, to me, to be pointing to the fact that we have not actually defined what a release group is. The soundtracks case has the problem of increasing scope; the more we expand what we would or wouldn't group,

Re: [mb-style] RFV (second attempt): New BBC AR type

2009-05-25 Thread Chad Wilson
+1 Thanks a lot, Kuno! Kuno Woudt wrote: Hello, On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 08:44:41AM +0800, Chad Wilson wrote: While I realise that it will be reasonably straightforward in this case, I'd rather see the documentation page beforehand, as a matter of principle. Since documentation

[mb-style] Pre-RFC: Release Groups (and associated style)

2009-05-24 Thread Chad Wilson
Hi all As you most know, very soon Release Groups will be live. Style is obviously a work in progress as we're not sure how it's all going to work out across the variations in the real world but the basic cases are reasonably well known. Pronik, prodoc, gioele, navap, ruaok and I have put

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC: Release Groups (and associated style)

2009-05-24 Thread Chad Wilson
Yeah, it's certainly worth discussing this. You'll note that the page as it currently stands says to merge transliterations/translations, but not alternate-language releases. Maybe this is confusing. I fear there may be many variations I'm not aware of as well. The main issue I could thinking

Re: [mb-style] RFV: New BBC AR type

2009-05-21 Thread Chad Wilson
While I realise that it will be reasonably straightforward in this case, I'd rather see the documentation page beforehand, as a matter of principle. Since documentation == guideline I think we need to vote/withold veto/comment on the basis of the advice rather than just the idea? Chad Kuno

Re: [mb-style] Move wiki discussion chapters to wiki discussion page section

2009-05-13 Thread Chad Wilson
On 13/05/2009 7:44 p.m., Age Bosma wrote: Hi, I'm not sure if this has been discussed before but: Now that we have the new wiki up and running, are there any objections again moving the discussion chapters on the article pages itself to the discussion section for each article? The same would

Re: [mb-style] Move wiki discussion chapters to wiki discussion page section

2009-05-13 Thread Chad Wilson
to Talk:Foo and Talk:Bar respectively, so I don't think there are any separate discussion pages still left to deal with. Pavan Chander // navap On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Age Bosma agebo...@gmail.com mailto:agebo...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/13 Chad Wilson chad.wil...@gmx.net

Re: [mb-style] DiscogsRelationshipType Discogs masters

2009-05-04 Thread Chad Wilson
On 4/05/2009 7:51 p.m., Aurélien Mino wrote: Hi, As some of you already know, Discogs has recently introduced ([1]) the concept of 'master release' which corresponds to what we name 'release-group'. Since we don't yet have release-group, and since our first implementation of release-group

Re: [mb-style] DiscogsRelationshipType Discogs masters

2009-05-04 Thread Chad Wilson
On 5/05/2009 5:45 a.m., Fred Marchee wrote: My thoughts exactly, the links to Discogs doesn't add any info to me other than pictures so why bother? Fred (fred576) Age Bosma wrote: Aurélien Mino wrote: Should we accept links from our current releases to both Discogs masters

Re: [mb-style] RFC: PartNumberStyle rewrite (was Foo, Parts 1-3 vs, Foo, Parts 1 - 3)

2009-05-01 Thread Chad Wilson
On 1/05/2009 12:44 p.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: Completely agreed, 100%. In the current lack-of-debate situation we have, I think I would personally veto any RFV that recommends use of obscure typography for normal situations, including the en-dash. Brian, people are so burnt

Re: [mb-style] RFC process wikinames

2009-04-25 Thread Chad Wilson
On 25/04/2009 8:15 p.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 6:17 AM, Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl mailto:k...@frob.nl wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:55:47AM +0800, Chad Wilson wrote: On 24/04/2009 10:29 p.m., Chris B wrote: 2009/4/24 Brian Schweitzerbrian.brianschweit

Re: [mb-style] RFC: PartNumberStyle rewrite (was Foo, Parts 1-3 vs Foo, Parts 1 - 3)

2009-04-24 Thread Chad Wilson
On 24/04/2009 10:29 p.m., Chris B wrote: 2009/4/24 Brian Schweitzerbrian.brianschweit...@gmail.com: This was my point before; this is the whole point of transclusion, that the wiki version can be edited for various reasons. There shouldn't be a reason we need to have both versions on the

Re: [mb-style] PartNumberStyle - Foo, Parts 1-3 vs Foo, Parts 1 - 3

2009-04-23 Thread Chad Wilson
On 24/04/2009 7:38 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: so revert your change, do an RFC like the rest of us have to, and we can all get on with our lives. Please, stop the condesension. Example != guideline. There is no need, nor reason, to revert. The example, as I have pointed out

Re: [mb-style] PartNumberStyle - Foo, Parts 1-3 vs Foo, Parts 1 - 3

2009-04-21 Thread Chad Wilson
On 22/04/2009 12:28 a.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: * Is there a good reason to have spaces? Yes. But no-one agrees with you as far as I can see, so the example should be reverted and this should stop here. And yes, examples are supporting text as part of a guideline; and thus part of the

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Revise SortNameStyle to establish single delimiter for multiple artists

2009-04-21 Thread Chad Wilson
On 22/04/2009 4:25 a.m., Paul C. Bryan wrote: Proposal: Change item #5 in the SortNameSytle to read as follows: If an ArtistName consists of two or more collaborating artists, each individual name is sorted separately according to the rules below. The separator between artists (e.g. and,

Re: [mb-style] PartNumberStyle - Foo, Parts 1-3 vs Foo, Parts 1 - 3

2009-04-19 Thread Chad Wilson
On 19/04/2009 10:57 p.m., Jan van Thiel wrote: 2009/4/18 Bogdan Butnarubogd...@gmail.com: By the way, this disambiguates numbering schemes with sub-parts, e.g. “Parts 1-3–3-7”, or “Parts twenty-two–seventy-nine”. On the other hand, I see no reason why we wouldn't simply have as a rule

Re: [mb-style] PartNumberStyle - Foo, Parts 1-3 vs Foo, Parts 1 - 3

2009-04-16 Thread Chad Wilson
+1 for no spaces as well. GC can't fix everything. On 17/04/2009 12:25 a.m., Paul C. Bryan wrote: P.S. I didn't think we had transclusion from MB to docs yet. Do we? So, if it got to docs, then someone changed it there too? The page was changed prior to the Wiki migration; and since the

Re: [mb-style] RFC (3rd try): add attribute 'translated' to LyricistRelationshipType

2009-04-14 Thread Chad Wilson
The same judgment has to be made all the time on samples vs. remix, mashup vs remix, remix vs later version etc etc. It is nothing new for MusicBrainz to require subjective consideration of the musical content of a track/song. Almost exactly the same text is used at

Re: [mb-style] Release Status proposal

2009-03-27 Thread Chad Wilson
On 28/03/2009 9:49 a.m., Chris B wrote: 2009/3/28 Jacob Brettjacobbr...@hotmail.com: I'm not sure that this is the direction MusicBrainz wants to take, but say for example that a promo version of an album is released and listed in MusicBrainz with 'Release Status' as promo, then later the

Re: [mb-style] Smaller Balloon: Ampersand to join multiple artists into single collaboration

2009-03-24 Thread Chad Wilson
On 24/03/2009 10:15 p.m., Paul C. Bryan wrote: Okay. So, trying again, with new information, I'd propose: 1. Sort name: always use ampersand as an artist delimiter. 2. Artist name: prefer the use of ampersand over and where there is no artist intent or consistent original data. Leave other

Re: [mb-style] DiscNumberStyle vs SeriesNumberStyle

2009-03-06 Thread Chad Wilson
+1 too. Yes, we must standardise for use in DISCNUMBER and, as luks says, to preserve the workaround's integrity. In the A-F case, I have always edited the discs like (disc 1) - ignoring and A -F. Although I have seen cases like (disc 1: X), (disc 2: Y). Not the best, but it preserves the

Re: [mb-style] soundtrack style clarification

2009-02-04 Thread Chad Wilson
On 4/02/2009 10:47 p.m., Bogdan Butnaru wrote: Hello! I've come over edit http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10059397 earlier and I'm not sure how to interpret the guidelines at http://musicbrainz.org/doc/SoundtrackTitleStyle The guideline says « The title should exclude secondary

Re: [mb-style] soundtrack style clarification

2009-02-04 Thread Chad Wilson
Uh-huh, most of us agree on that much. Same could be said of pretty much every guideline at MB. The page does specifically say Secondary information that is to be excluded will mostly look like a sub-title as per SubTitleStyle http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SubTitleStyle., however this line could

Re: [mb-style] from the beginning and until the end attributes for member of AR

2009-01-28 Thread Chad Wilson
On 28/01/2009 9:43 p.m., Gioele wrote: Brian Schweitzer wrote: I for one would like to keep the dates real, not interpreted. However, I have wished in the past for a founded attribute for the member of AR, to allow this info to be captured in a different way. I would prefer

Re: [mb-style] from the beginning and until the end attributes for member of AR

2009-01-27 Thread Chad Wilson
On 28/01/2009 6:01 a.m., Philip Jägenstedt wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Gioelegio...@svario.it wrote: Aaron Cooper wrote: Can't we just give the member the same start date as the band? It leads to unnecessary duplication of data. Also it is more difficult to

Re: [mb-style] RFV: New AR for linking to official artist/label YouTube pages

2009-01-22 Thread Chad Wilson
I presume the *RelationshipType documentation pages will be written along with actual implementation. Same for I(O)BDb. On 20/01/2009 1:53 p.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: The original proposal having long since passed 7 days, and the renewed deadline for this RFC having just passed without

Re: [mb-style] Style leader returns after an absence

2009-01-14 Thread Chad Wilson
On 13/01/2009 5:50 p.m., Chris B wrote: 2009/1/13 Brian Schweitzerbrian.brianschweit...@gmail.com: Welcome back Jim! Ok, just for the record, in a discussion on how we can fix the RFC/RFV process, and clean up old proposals, etc, Robert made the decision in IRC the other day that all

Re: [mb-style] Multidisc-AR Earliest release AR for differing 2CD-releases: Questions

2009-01-11 Thread Chad Wilson
I don't think we'd duplicate, but you could add both relationships to disc 1, even though the text currently doesn't make much sense in English. On 11/01/2009 11:17 p.m., SwissChris wrote: I'm working right now on artist Renaud Papillon Paravels release Subliminable

Re: [mb-style] Multidisc-AR Earliest release AR for differing 2CD-releases: Questions

2009-01-11 Thread Chad Wilson
On 12/01/2009 3:03 a.m., Bogdan Butnaru wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Chad Wilsonchad.wil...@gmx.net wrote: disc 1, even though the text currently doesn't make much sense in English. I don't think we'd duplicate, but you could add both relationships to It makes perfect

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Modify AdvancedRelationships page in wiki

2009-01-07 Thread Chad Wilson
+1 This is sorely needed in order to point editors to - thanks Brian for bringing it back up again. There are still AutoEditors (and other experienced editors) editing in opposition to that earlier discussion due to the lack of formalisation in the guidelines. Chad / voiceinsideyou On

Re: [mb-style] Release mastering (was: Re: RFC: Modify AdvancedRelationships page in wiki)

2009-01-07 Thread Chad Wilson
On 8/01/2009 6:36 a.m., Chris B wrote: i don't see what difference this is to the RFC? we're discussing what ARs and usages of those ARs need to go in what case. how can you separate the cases from the useage? I think we can. Examples and general principle should be enough to guide the

Re: [mb-style] Nickname in Artist Name?

2009-01-06 Thread Chad Wilson
I don't think that in the general case we should stop the name being overloaded, as it kinda is in the case you mention (ignoring merits of individual case). If this is how an artist is generally referred to, this is how we should credit them IMO; which is the best we can do with our current

Re: [mb-style] Removal of homeburnt discIds

2008-12-27 Thread Chad Wilson
On 23/12/2008 5:05 a.m., Chris B wrote: perhaps this has already come up, but is there any particular reason why i can't see CD-ID additions in a release's edit history? only i think if we had access to that things would be a lot easier - eg a dodgy looking CD-ID addition could be

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Part of series relationship

2008-10-18 Thread Chad Wilson
Kuno Woudt wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 09:22:15AM +0800, Chad Wilson wrote: Sidenote: but does anyone actually know who is still around/active and actually has the authority to veto an RFV (other than luks, rob)? Anyone can veto an RFV. (whoever does so will have to defend his

Re: [mb-style] What do we consider a catalogno in Musicbrainz ?

2008-09-24 Thread Chad Wilson
ijabz wrote: Chris B wrote: Hi Paul, well, there is no real need to 'drop' the use of any particular cat#s. in time we will probably go as far including matrix codes or LP run out groove codes, as once you start getting into the meat of cat#s and label organisation (as i've found at

Re: [mb-style] artist A presents artist B

2008-09-18 Thread Chad Wilson
Steve Wyles wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Toni Panadès wrote: The problem begins for me when I add a new artist: Love Song Surprise artist (http://musicbrainz.org/artist/553a3f2c-2600-46ce-8f60-24e6ee6f13c6.html). LSS it's a group where the main artist is Dennis White (AKA Static Revenger),

Re: [mb-style] MediaWiki (was: Looking for a new [Documentation|Style] leader)

2008-08-06 Thread Chad Wilson
OK, can we please get some clarity about how migration will be handled, if/when we decide? To be clear, I am under the impression that edits to the current MediaWiki will be lost prior to any actual migration date due to the need to stay up to date with respect to what's in MoinMoin now. How

Re: [mb-style] Jim DeLaHunt is our new style leader!

2008-08-04 Thread Chad Wilson
Unleash the de-la-hunt-in-ator! Robert Kaye wrote: I just posted this to the blog: http://blog.musicbrainz.org/?p=339 Congratulations Jim! -- --ruaok Somewhere in Texas a village is *still* missing its idiot. Robert Kaye -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

Re: [mb-style] Looking for a new [Documentation|Style] leader

2008-07-29 Thread Chad Wilson
I agree with everything you've said -- I think you're certainly on the right track. I'm ready to declare Jim as the new style leader? Does anyone have any objections? If so, speak up now! I also completely agree with most of Jim's points as well; well thought out, well written and even

[mb-style] Open request for documentation review; ReleaseTerminology

2008-07-29 Thread Chad Wilson
Hi all As mentioned in the other thread, I've spent some time cleaning the information in the wiki surrounding Release Terminology and the ReleaseNavigation card. This includes: - adding card navigation headers - moving discussions off page - adding basic definitions where missing - partly

Re: [Haskell] Re: on starting Haskell-Edu, a new education-related Haskell-related mailing list

2008-07-11 Thread Chad Wilson
From previous experience with this sort of thing (the expansion of usage for a list(s)), I am thinking you guys have entered a territory better served by a forum. One subscription gets you access to the cafe, announcements, n00b section, teachers, core functions, etc. While a forum lacks the

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