On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 9:10 AM Robert Moskowitz wrote:
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>
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> On 12/31/21 00:22, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 2:03 PM Robert Moskowitz
> > wrote:
> >> so something killed it and since tomorrow is garbage day...
> >>
> >> S
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 3:59 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
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> ZFS uses volume and user properties which we could probably mimic with
> xattr. I thought I asked about xattr instead of subvolume names at one
> point in the thread but I don't see it. So instead of using subvolume
> na
must fall back to read-only?)
Made a note in the change to investigate this. What I'm seeing with
stat are ctime and/or mtime updates of the -shm and -wal files. I'm
not sure either should be changing. I'm using noatime, but I expect
atime updates probably happen with all these files normally.
ure two bugs are filed against libguestfs and
> supermin components to track this change (if it happens).
Made a note for this in the scope
> Will the symlink also exist on new installs, or only on upgrades?
Both.
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ymptoms before anything else including the drive's
SMART reporting, by showing transient corruption. All such messages
appear in dmesg. Btrfs is more sensitive to pre-failure because it's
checksumming everything, not just the file system. So it'll detect
even a bit flip.
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names, what about stuffing this information in xattr? My gut instinct
is this is less transparent and user friendly, it requires more tools
to know how to user to troubleshoot and fix, etc.
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is proposal, we don't want 'dnf list' to break.
Why should it be a prerequisite? In all Fedora editions and spins with
dnf, /usr and /var are read-write. In the case of rpm-ostree based
editions and spins, they don't include dnf. I agree dnf should
tolerate read-only rpmdb files, but I'm not following
s, the trusted computing initiative was a success. And even
> > virtualization is used for implementing trusted computing in some
> > platforms.
>
> All hardware TPM implementations are proprietary. We can't trust them.
CPU is proprietary, the firmware is proprietary. Guess we can'
estion
http://lists.rpm.org/pipermail/rpm-maint/2017-October/006697.html
There's a bunch of back and forth throughout. The rpmdb isn't really
variable data. It's static data that describes other static data.
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for that matter, to know how a system should boot.
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2021-November/047059.html
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to match /boot and /usr together, so that the user doesn't get stuck
choosing a kernel version for which the modules don't exist in an
older generation /usr. And then does this imply some additional
functionality in the bootloader to achieve it, or should this
information be fully encapsulated in Boot Loader Spec compliant
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> Chris Murphy wrote:
> > The part I'm having a hard time separating is the implicit case (use
> > some logic to assemble the correct objects), versus explicit (the
> > bootloader snippet points to a root and th
fer to keep the symlink /usr/lib/sysimage/rpm
-> /usr/share/rpm or start directly using /usr/lib/sysimage/rpm? And
if so, any preference on when, in terms of Fedora releases?
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> On 12/14/21 22:59, Colin Walters wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> >
> >>> The change is not so simple. It is not only the movement of files from
> &
On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 4:09 AM Panu Matilainen wrote:
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> On 12/14/21 22:59, Colin Walters wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
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> >>> The change is not so simple. It is not only the movement of files from
> &
eating a more secure system.
I'd go so far as to say it takes some esoteric knowledge to understand
that this is only a "probably important small thing", and not a
"critical big thing", to do. This is a few years old, 2018, but it
discusses some of the confusing points when fs
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 10:09 AM Lukáš Hrázký wrote:
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> On Fri, 2021-12-10 at 13:53 -0500, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > For my non-emphemeral systems:
> >
> > * /usr /var /etc are directories contained in btrfs subvolume
> > "root-x86-64:fedora.35"
> > *
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> On Fri, 2021-12-10 at 13:53 -0500, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > For my non-emphemeral systems:
> >
> > * /usr /var /etc are directories contained in btrfs subvolume
> > "root-x86-64:fedora.35"
> > *
to what degree dnf
touches various top level FHS directories: /var /usr /etc /home and so
on. But I wonder if the history databases should separately track the
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Dec 10 10:45:11 fovo.local systemd[1]: Mounting
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Dec 10 10:45:11 fovo.local systemd[1]: Mounting '@auto/swap' at /var/swap...
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> On Fri, 2021-12-10 at 06:16 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > (Adding the correct Daniel Mach email address, he moved from Red Hat
> > to SUSE last month...)
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 10:
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> On Fri, 2021-12-10 at 06:16 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
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> > to SUSE last month...)
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 10:
apply to any
image? Let's say it's a Btrfs image. And in the context of this
thread, the GPT partition type GUID would be the "super-root" GUID?
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subvolume however... where it doesn't contain the parameter
"rootflags=subvol=$root" (which acts as an override for the default
subvolume set in the fs itself) then the btrfs default subvolume would
be used. I'm struggling with its role in all of this though.
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> On Do, 18.11.21 14:51, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
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> > How to do swapfiles?
>
> Is this really a concept that deserves too much attention?
*shrug* Only insofar as I like order, and like
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> >>> Lennart Poettering schrieb am 19.11.2021 um 10:17
> in
> Nachricht :
> > On Do, 18.11.21 14:51, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
> >
> >> How to do swapfiles?
> >
>
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 5:01 AM Jaroslav Mracek wrote:
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> Hello Chris,
>
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 5:01 AM Chris Murphy wrote:
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>> Hi RPM and DNF folks,
>>
>> I have a draft change proposal for review and comment, i.e. it's not yet set
>> to be p
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> On 12/7/21 06:00, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > Hi RPM and DNF folks,
> >
> > I have a draft change proposal for review and comment, i.e. it's not yet
> > set to be published to Fedora devel@. It's a bit thin, bu
nstalled, and that make/model doesn't qualify for whatever Windows
marketing programs OEM's get for having certified hardware. That's
aside from the fact there's TPM 2.0 in hardware today that the kernel
doesn't support and likely won't ever support.
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uot;, which is good for debugging and development, but not
> acceptable for a real system.
Is it terrible enough that CoreOS should revert?
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-config/commit/eb74f2ea3e9b453902315539e4f327481162c4f8
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> On Tue, Dec 07, 2021, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > cc: qemu-devel
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm trying to help progress a very troublesome and so far elusive bug
> > we're seeing in Fedora infrastructur
at those kernel messages, and/or give
hints how we can extract more information for debugging, it'd be
appreciated. Maybe all of that is normal and the actual problem isn't
in any of these traces.
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early startup file system assembly tends to fail, and also needs rw
mount for whatever reason. So I guess it's not such a simple problem
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> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 05:52:26PM -0500, Garry T. Williams wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 4:53:12 PM EST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 01:52:43P
On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 4:54 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
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> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 01:52:43PM -0500, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 12:19 PM Ben Cotton wrote:
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> > > == How To Test ==
> > > # Install `plocate` (`sud
, which shows F9). And from there choose the Windows Boot
Manager.
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On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 2:26 PM Mikel Olasagasti wrote:
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> HI Chris,
>
> Hau idatzi du Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) erabiltzaileak
> (2021 aza. 23, ar. (20:20)):
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Question:
> > Do you have a T490 laptop successfully booti
something unique about some T490's? Of course only people
who have the problem are reporting in the bug and Reddit, etc. so it's
a self-selecting group.
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ble with the old one in all common cases, and provides some
> additional options.
I'm definitely noticing a difference. I'm not sure it was ever correct
that updatedb.conf was pruning bind mounts on Fedora. It's not the
mlocate default, but it is what Fedora has been using for years
(defacto default
netinstaller, but it was
dropped maybe 1/2 dozen releases or so ago.
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istency is permitted.
Each edition (working group) and spin (special interest group) can
choose their own default layout and filesystem. For the btrfs by
default change, all the desktop spins were consulted in advance with a
preview of the proposal, to address any concerns they had and how to
opt-out of
d be converted into a quickdoc, and replace
the existing one. The wiki entry has been update most recently and
includes a section on using the installer's rescue mode to assemble
pretty much any system that blivet can locate an /etc/fstab for.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GRUB_2?rd=Grub2#I_have_a_grub.3E_pr
On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 2:51 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
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> How to do swapfiles?
>
> Currently I'm creating a "swap" subvolume in the top-level of the file
> system and /etc/fstab looks like this
>
> UUID=$FSUUID/var/swap btrfs noatime,subvol=swap
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be of any
> help?
>
Thanks for the report. I've filed this issue
https://pagure.io/fedora-web/websites/issue/220
Looks like the images are available in AWS, but just aren't listed at
alt.fedoraproject.org/cloud
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> Log:
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Sorry I missed the meeting, but yeah +1 to (re)making Cloud Edition
officially as an edition
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> My take, all except 6 are blocking.
Ooh I like this game where I don't read all the posts, and end up
agreeing with Kamil having not seen the answers first.
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the particular action is not important in this
> scenario). That second action triggers a bug and pkg A installation is
> incorrectly aborted in a non-clean manner. The system ends up in an
> *inconsistent* state, i.e. internal databases (like the rpmdb
On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 11:39 AM Kamil Paral wrote:
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> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 4:28 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_35_Final_Release_Criteria#Default_application_functionality
>>
>> "Basic functionality means that the app
(s2idle or S3) modes it should be?
But that's a question for kernel developers, and I guess the place to
start this is on the linux-usb@ list and see if /dev is supposed to be
consistent through suspend-to-ram.
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o the pool might comprise
many devices.
The same problem exists for Btrfs subvolumes, and ZFS datasets.
What might be possible and what is definitely not possible, is what
I'm interested in understanding for now.
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On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 8:18 PM Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 10/27/21 17:02, Felix Miata wrote:
> > Chris Murphy composed on 2021-10-27 19:40 (UTC-0400):
> >
> >> Adam Williamson wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 2021-10-27 at 02:32 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> >
- package grub2-tools-minimal-1:2.06-6.fc35.x86_64 is filtered out by
> > exclude
> > filtering
> >
>
> Do you have soft dependencies enabled? Nothing on my installed system
> requires grubby, but two things recommend it: crypto-policies-scripts
> and kexec-tools .
ands installation of grub2-tools-minimal and
> grubby,
> while F34 didn't?
What happens if you try dnf --disableexcludes=all ?
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s a kernel parameter, e.g.
grubby --args=drm.debug=0x06 --update-kernel=ALL
Reboot. Reproduce the problem. Hard reset (or possibly remote ssh will
still be functional). And then grab the log. To remove that boot
param:
grubby --remove-args=drm.debug=0x06 --update-kernel=ALL
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> Hi,
>
> I think it's a bug, so I filed one.
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2015569
Yep. So the bug is that the RPM and flatpak versions use different
ID's for the same application, therefore Software lists
Hi,
I think it's a bug, so I filed one.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2015569
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growing package for the past few years. Front this point
there's a bunch of pressure points and trade-offs. This cycle we were over
CD-ROM size of 700MiB, and ended up trimming out about 30M from
linux-firmware.
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ience for human-readable values humans? Or scripts?
If it's really such a problem, introduce a computer/script friendly
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On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 4:13 PM Gordon Messmer wrote:
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> On 9/30/21 12:41, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > Seems likely to me some service is not quitting properly, preventing /
> > from being unmounted
>
>
> If that were the case, there might be information about a
tly put a root level shell on
tty9, which is what you'll switch to with control-alt-F9 when you get
the shutdown hang. And then do:
systemctl list-jobs
df
lsof
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> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 9:24 PM stan via test
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> > On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 08:39:38 -0600
> > Chris Murphy wrote:
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> > > Could you file a bug and include: e2fsprogs version; kernel v
ype GUID. It's better if each bootloader has its
own? Originally BIOS Boot wasn't "owned" by GRUB, any bootloader can
use it, but insofar as I'm aware it's the only bootloader that uses
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On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 2:11 AM Marius Schwarz wrote:
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> Am 03.09.21 um 18:51 schrieb Chris Murphy:
> > Bug 2001057 - F35 boots 3x slower than F34, large time gaps in systemd
> > journal
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2001057
> >
> >
> &g
On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Chris Murphy wrote:
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> systemd-udev-settle.service is deprecated. Please fix
> multipathd.service not to pull it in.
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2001058
>
> This is not a regression, it's been around for a while with bugs th
1-0600 DEBUG ---> Package fprintd-pam.x86_64
1.92.0-2.fc35 will be erased
and the slow boot problem remains (with selinux still enforcing).
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than 34.
I get more AVC's with enforcing=0, in fact... oh my that's a lot of
selinux bugs reported already against 35
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW_status=ASSIGNED=Fedora=selinux-policy_id=12120743=Fedora_format=advanced=35
But fprintd doesn't show up in any.
but not in this case, I just have multiple 10s+
gaps in the journal.
I might have to do some tedious regression testing by doing a clean
install of 35 to see if it's some artifact of upgrading from 34. But
it'd be nicer if I can just directly expose the culprit(s).
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installations? The only thing I can think of that (conditionally)
needs it early on in a default case is Anaconda but only if there are
multipath devices, which is probably pretty rare in the Workstation
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head and implement it. Only QA types would consider waiting
2 minutes for this just to (a) time it (b) see what happens, if
anything (c) try to find logs and/or some sort of work around. All
other mortals will properly hit the power button, give it all a second
go - which of course will just hit the same
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1963007
Add to meeting agenda?
This was brought up on the server list. Either something peculiar has
happened with this image, or the other netinstallers are soon to follow.
Either way we should probably figure it out.
Chris Murphy
Hi,
A new section in https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/docs/ has
appeared specifically for Fedora Server.
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/
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> On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 12:15:20 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
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> > Yeah I have a bit of a gripe with systemd that it doesn't, by default,
> > insert the sleep request in the log. What exactly requested it? User
> >
or if it was in fact first broken with
5.13.6 (and still broken in 5.13.9). But with such a new kernel, I
also suggest making sure vmware is up to date.
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$ sudo btrfs rep sta
btrfs replace: ambiguous token 'sta'
Did you mean one of these ?
start
status
'btrfs rep star' is unambiguous for 'btrfs replace start' - just make
up your own short hand...
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> given path.
>
> Any suggestions on what is going wrong ?
>
> I should tell you that a while back I had a huge BTRFS file system crash, and
> it took a lot of targeted help from the community to get my system to
set of servers. We were
on irc.freenode.net and now we're on irc.libera.chat - the channel
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> On 02/08/2021 04:04, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > I'm definitely not attached to keeping things the same. The bios
> > memtest86+ is still these days installed to /boot but there hasn't
> > been a menu entr
is image works consistently, and we don't sneeze, it should
be OK? What's this... I'm now hearing a virtual convo about an S word
among the Adam Williamson and Kamil Paral who live in my head...
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>
> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 6:49 PM Gordon Messmer
> wrote:
> >
> > On 7/30/21 5:57 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > > It would need a maintainer. Any takers? ...
> > > If we want it to work with UEFI Secure Boo
On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 1:28 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
wrote:
>
> On 31/07/2021 02:57, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > This bug might be gcc, but also includes a note about the upstream
> > being kinda weak, possibly non-existent these days.
>
> They just closed the sources. M
st
didn't get caught for some reason.
That's the basics. It's not that hard. But there's lots of tricks and
personal preferences that are all non-obvious, so if you get stuck,
head to irc.libera.chat or matrix.org and ask in #fedora-qa or
#fedora-kernel if you get stuck.
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Chris Murphy
kernel in that laptop, is
> 5.12.15-300.fc34.x86_64
> I'm not any programmer nor bugzilla familiar.
> I have sent to Chris Murphy both kernel boots, working and not
> working ones. Hopefully I sent them right address...
Select the new (problem) kernel version, but don't boot it. Edit
i
ump
extra debugging information into the kernel message buffer, and then
file a bug attaching dmesg.
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Chris Murphy
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