Re: [ietf-dkim] Section 3.7 s/content-hash/body-hash/?

2011-05-17 Thread Hector Santos
, selector, data-hash) where: body-hash: is the output from hashing the body, using hash-alg. It is set as the value of the bh= tag in D-SIG for computing the data-hash. ? Sounds technically correct. +1 -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http

Re: [ietf-dkim] New canonicalizations

2011-05-17 Thread Hector Santos
was also possible. The key point is for 40 years, it wasn't a problem until a new kid in the block came and now demands MLMs adjust to work with it -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL

Re: [ietf-dkim] New canonicalizations

2011-05-17 Thread Hector Santos
Hector Santos wrote: The document editor and others believe this is a MLM BUG. It could be, but we don't know if its really an normal attempt to add HEADER text that was empty: Create List Message for Distribution: Body = EMPTY; Body += AppendText(GetHeaderNoticeForList

[ietf-dkim] MLM Section 3.3 - Extra Line Acknowledgment

2011-05-17 Thread Hector Santos
Hector Santos wrote: Hector Santos wrote: The document editor and others believe this is a MLM BUG. It could be, but we don't know if its really an normal attempt to add HEADER text that was empty: Create List Message for Distribution: Body = EMPTY; Body += AppendText

Re: [ietf-dkim] New canonicalizations

2011-05-17 Thread Hector Santos
relaxed, less secured, with a wide degree of receivers, minimized C14N related issues with an relaxed algorithm. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according

Re: [v6ops] Review of: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-03

2011-05-17 Thread Hector Santos
inapropiate that's cool but I'm frankly not convinced. I'm OK if there's consensus not to change it, but the wider scope of IETF LC and cross-area review is exactly to catch things that the WG didn't. +1 -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com

Re: [v6ops] Review of: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications-03

2011-05-17 Thread Hector Santos
. In that vain, we have a form of whitelisting. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

MLM Section 3.3 - Extra Line Acknowledgment

2011-05-17 Thread Hector Santos
Hector Santos wrote: Hector Santos wrote: The document editor and others believe this is a MLM BUG. It could be, but we don't know if its really an normal attempt to add HEADER text that was empty: Create List Message for Distribution: Body = EMPTY; Body += AppendText

Re: [ietf-dkim] New canonicalizations

2011-05-16 Thread Hector Santos
to be extensible, anyone feeling that an additional algorithm is warranted is free to define it and seek community consensus for it. d/ -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates

Re: [ietf-dkim] New canonicalizations

2011-05-16 Thread Hector Santos
of having errors when it comes to C14N. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] MLM and C14N

2011-05-16 Thread Hector Santos
to the MLM I-D would be very informative to readers of the document which would include MLM developer considering all the DKIM incompatibility issues. -- Hector Santos http://www.santronics.com ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org

Re: [ietf-dkim] MLM and C14N

2011-05-15 Thread Hector Santos
John R. Levine wrote: Hi Hector, At 15:20 14-05-2011, Hector Santos wrote: Shouldn't the MLM I-D say something regarding C14N and CR/LF related mutations? No. +1 to the No. I have my reservations about the draft, but this is not one of them. In general, I would say NO too because I

Re: [ietf-dkim] MLM and C14N

2011-05-15 Thread Hector Santos
, Hector Santos wrote: Shouldn't the MLM I-D say something regarding C14N and CR/LF related mutations? No. +1 to the No. +1 to the No. This is a software problem, You mean the MLM who is ignorant of DKIM meta data for the past 40 years? not something that needs to be solved by creating

Re: [ietf-dkim] MLM and C14N

2011-05-15 Thread Hector Santos
SM wrote: Hi Hector, At 21:40 14-05-2011, Hector Santos wrote: Can't share the wisdom why? It's merely an opinion. Please see Murray's comment about a slippery slope. I understand the point. But we are doing all this already like section 3.3 Current MLM Effects On Signatures; Minor body

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-15 Thread Hector Santos
Agent (MUA) or MTA sending mail to the MSA or MDA. Anyway, its a nit and just thought it was not necessary nor correctly applied here. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates

Re: [ietf-dkim] MLM and C14N

2011-05-15 Thread Hector Santos
in section 3.3 titled Current MLM Effects On Signatures regarding a real living, walking and running MLM behavior? This is surreal. Don't shoot the messenger, listen to the message! -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com Dave Crocker wrote: +1

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-15 Thread Hector Santos
mail queues. Talk about slippery slopes. Anywho, I just don't get it. Very different mindsets/thinking here. But hey, if people think it helps unix people -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-15 Thread Hector Santos
John R. Levine wrote: There's no need to change the current language. RFCs have been referring to cron jobs since 1997. But this is 2011 for G-d sake! -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-15 Thread Hector Santos
are saying the RFC5322 author is also the OS logged in username which cron uses as a default as an environment variable for any mail scripting events. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list

Re: [ietf-dkim] MLM and C14N

2011-05-15 Thread Hector Santos
about the real MLM/DKIM incompatibility issues and intentionally wants to hide this insight that could promote changes. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-15 Thread Hector Santos
for sending mail to an originator. Do you hate windows or know that Windows is still a major OS? or that even other OSes may exist with the same scheduling tools ideas? MLM is not exclusive to Unix systems. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-14 Thread Hector Santos
5.8.0 Undefined Policy detail 554 5.8.1 Message refused by local policy or perhaps Murray can propose to Jeff to add a 5.8.27 status code specifically for ADSP related policy rejects: 554 5.8.27 Message refused by ADSP From.Domain=IDENTITY-ODID -- Hector Santos, CTO http

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-14 Thread Hector Santos
don't see 550 there. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-14 Thread Hector Santos
Hector Santos wrote: Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: But to be conformant, I suppose 550 5.7.0 would be appropriate. Alessandro Replied: Conformant to what? RFC5321, as cited. See section 4.3.2 DATA I: 354 - data - S: 250 E: 552, 554, 451, 452

[ietf-dkim] SMTP DATA EOD Reject Code for MLMs

2011-05-14 Thread Hector Santos
SM wrote: Hi Hector, At 11:43 14-05-2011, Hector Santos wrote: See section 4.3.2 DATA I: 354 - data - S: 250 E: 552, 554, 451, 452 E: 451, 554, 503 From http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5321.txt DATA I: 354 - data - S: 250

Re: [ietf-dkim] IETF-SMTP signed mail DKIM BODY HASH Failures

2011-05-14 Thread Hector Santos
SM wrote: Hi Hector, At 15:23 13-05-2011, Hector Santos wrote: I am wondering if anyone else can confirm BODY HASH errors with the originating author domain DKIM signature mail submitted to the IETF-SMTP fora. Yes. It may be an extra line between the message headers and the body

[ietf-dkim] MLM and C14N

2011-05-14 Thread Hector Santos
signatures coming from Aliasing list streams with slight CR/LR mutations. -- HLS Hector Santos wrote: SM wrote: Hi Hector, At 15:23 13-05-2011, Hector Santos wrote: I am wondering if anyone else can confirm BODY HASH errors with the originating author domain DKIM signature mail submitted

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-14 Thread Hector Santos
referred to as the Mail Delivery Agent (MDA). -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

[ietf-dkim] Body Length Tag l= - is really really bad!!!!

2011-05-14 Thread Hector Santos
be viewed as a SMTP 550 no local user account rejection. Comments? -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] MLM and C14N

2011-05-14 Thread Hector Santos
SM wrote: Hi Hector, At 15:20 14-05-2011, Hector Santos wrote: Shouldn't the MLM I-D say something regarding C14N and CR/LF related mutations? No. Can't share the wisdom why? I hate kludges but the insight for interested DKIM verifiers may help increase valid signatures coming from

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-13 Thread Hector Santos
, Bonjour, Cheerio!, Catch you later, see ya on the rebound, Bye Bye! Ian Eiloart wrote: On 12 May 2011, at 17:44, Hector Santos wrote: For the record, the old MLM was read as well Levine's poison pill MLM. With no intent nor suggest the writer is stupid, writers do say stupid things

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-13 Thread Hector Santos
it hasn't done in 40 years. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

[ietf-dkim] IETF-SMTP signed mail DKIM BODY HASH Failures

2011-05-13 Thread Hector Santos
header.s=smtpout; I was thinking it was an C14N issue, but the first two are simple/simple and the last one is relaxed/relaxed. What could be hidden in this body that is different? -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-13 Thread Hector Santos
Hector Santos wrote: Nothing wrong with DKIM=DISCARDABLE. What is wrong is trying to dictate to others MLM should ignore ADSP. As a MLM vendor, I have technical and ethical engineering obligation not to cause problems when taking on a new inherently incompatible technology that doesn't

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-12 Thread Hector Santos
- resign. But I object to the idea it is an unrestricted resigning model only and I firmly believe it will harm the general wide best interest of the IETF mail community and DKIM itself if we allowed this to be the one way ticket. Is that any more clear? -- Hector Santos, CTO http

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-12 Thread Hector Santos
of the user or author domain policies, you have what now? FAIL SOFTFAIL UNKNOWN DKIM is the the same boat as any other policy based technology yielding indeterminate results. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com

Re: [ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

2011-05-11 Thread Hector Santos
for RFC4871bis to close the issue. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] PROTO writeup for draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10

2011-05-11 Thread Hector Santos
. Considering how little of the advice is based on actual practice, even BCP is a stretch. G-d! and I was deathly afraid to comment on the same thing! So I'm happy you said it! -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-11 Thread Hector Santos
. That original background last paragraph text just isn't the truth and it doesn't fit with the other discussions regarding Author Domains and references to ADSP - can't have it both ways. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-11 Thread Hector Santos
and me showing real examples for the interoperability problem - it was only then that gave life to this document. Rough consensus in the group really doesn't match the many concerns over the years with this issue and its unfortunate they aren't around anymore to express their input. -- Hector

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-11 Thread Hector Santos
Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: -Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of Hector Santos Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:34 PM To: Barry Leiba Cc: DKIM List Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists After all

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-11 Thread Hector Santos
than it has been in the past and there's no new material. d/ -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] l= statistics was 23 again (sorry John) was Output

2011-05-10 Thread Hector Santos
be part of the fee schedule for the service. This will cater to domains with an fast DKIM entry point who do not wish the deal with the internal overhead and cost to setup/maintenance DKIM. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com

[ietf-dkim] DKIM - Security By Design

2011-05-09 Thread Hector Santos
or revoke a trusted signer who was breached. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] l= statistics was 23 again (sorry John) was Output

2011-05-09 Thread Hector Santos
of this has to do with the business use cases for the author domaina the DKIM signing service providers and how they are able to expose that information in general or contractual. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating l=

2011-05-09 Thread Hector Santos
approve the result, so I expect that'll take another two weeks or so -- say, until 11 June. Have at it. Barry, as chair ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html -- Hector Santos, CTO http

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Consider deprecating l=

2011-05-09 Thread Hector Santos
to operators. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

[ietf-dkim] issue: section 3.4.5 8.1 Clarifying l=

2011-05-09 Thread Hector Santos
of using this tag and have a complete awareness of the the intermediary (i.e. mailing list) message integrity handling practice including verifiers have the technical option to ignore the body length l= tag or perhaps handled based on advanced criteria or usage limits. --- Hector Santos, CTO

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - Keep your Eye on the Prize!

2011-05-08 Thread Hector Santos
to such anonymity have already long been the part and the source of the problem. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - Keep your Eye on the Prize!

2011-05-08 Thread Hector Santos
Model illustration? Oh well. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - Keep your Eye on the Prize!

2011-05-08 Thread Hector Santos
actively counter-productive. See above. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

[ietf-dkim] DKIM Body Shaping with l= tags

2011-05-08 Thread Hector Santos
functionality not be disabled in the hope of providing some small margin of protection against an ignorant domain who is trying to submit fake mail. Maybe we should remove ignorant so it still applies 10 years later. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http

Re: [ietf-dkim] l= statistics was 23 again (sorry John) was Output

2011-05-07 Thread Hector Santos
domains? -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - Keep your Eye on the Prize!

2011-05-07 Thread Hector Santos
signing bit, but it is WRITTEN in the technical specification as a MAY for Output. I believe I am more RIGHT here than David and Murray and you. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list

Re: [ietf-dkim] l= statistics was 23 again (sorry John) was Output

2011-05-07 Thread Hector Santos
we can actually deprecate l=. Barry, as participant -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - Keep your Eye on the Prize!

2011-05-07 Thread Hector Santos
. - -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] l= statistics was 23 again (sorry John) was Output

2011-05-06 Thread Hector Santos
to spam. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - Keep your Eye on the Prize!

2011-05-06 Thread Hector Santos
identity, including the originating author domain. Anyway -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] l= statistics was 23 again (sorry John) was Output

2011-05-06 Thread Hector Santos
appended to the body, the l= tag SHOULD NOT be used. (See Section 9.1). My post list all the references to l= for reading and setting. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - Keep your Eye on the Prize!

2011-05-05 Thread Hector Santos
needs to be more open with DKIM Complete information for receivers to better consider. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: -Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Section 3.9 - Add AUID and ODID

2011-05-05 Thread Hector Santos
semantics such as user part considerations and all we wanted here as a ADSP functionality. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - Keep your Eye on the Prize!

2011-05-05 Thread Hector Santos
open with DKIM Complete information for receivers to better consider. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: -Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Section 3.9 - Add AUID and ODID

2011-05-05 Thread Hector Santos
technical subjective semantics such as user part considerations and all we wanted here as a ADSP functionality. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http

Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue: Section 3.9 - Add AUID and ODID

2011-05-05 Thread Hector Santos
Rolf E. Sonneveld wrote: On 5/5/11 1:52 AM, Hector Santos wrote: 3.x Originating Domain Identity (ODID) The ODID is the domain part of the From: address. This identity MAY be considered as an output communicated to an advanced Identity Assessor module. INFORMATIVE

Re: [ietf-dkim] Question: ADSP DKIM=UNKNOWN and A-R reporting

2011-05-05 Thread Hector Santos
even with the receiver is willing to honor ADSP and author domain policies? -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] issue: Section 2.6/ 3.5 AUID/i= should have pubkey t=s info

2011-05-05 Thread Hector Santos
: Optional Agent or User Identity: _ when they press SAVE, I have to decide what to do, like Popop Warning box: Warning, the Public Key for this signer/selector must has a t=s tag Continue to Save: Yes | No -- Hector Santos, CTO http

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - Keep your Eye on the Prize!

2011-05-05 Thread Hector Santos
section 3.9 This is what happens when you add something in the last minute without any consensus. It was just added - no consensus. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
in indirect and ambiguous ways we know offer utility. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] Question: ADSP DKIM=UNKNOWN and A-R reporting

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
Architecture. RFC4871bis does not reflect what receivers need for security controls. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
. You need to rethink why reasonable compromising solutions offered should be ignored and rudely shunned out. You need to consider good nature WG participant perspectives to help DKIM better fit receiver needs and considering ODID (and AUID) is compatible with the DKIM goal. -- Hector Santos, CTO

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
. Instead we have: #3 NEW: RFC4871BIS Output requirements that do not reflect any other work that as done, including this so called DKIM Service Architecture. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
I believe are the four minimal extracts for DKIM output and mail integration: signature verify status SDID AUID ODID -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
and does not represent current implementations. This may not be an interest to you, but it to others. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com Dave CROCKER wrote: On 5/4/2011 9:15 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: My read is that Rolf is objecting to RFC4871bis

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
Hector Santos wrote: Murray wrote: This is completely appropriate in another way: The SDID from a valid signature is the only thing that DKIM proves. Ok, very good. It tells you the payoff value for SDID and its ok, to say its a mandatory identity receivers to look at. but its should

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
, including does related to security. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
Missing citations for the quotes below: [1] http://www.messagesystems.com/wordpress/?p=65 [2] http://www.messagesystems.com/wordpress/?p=69 Hector Santos wrote: Dave CROCKER wrote: Given the continuing, intense attention to DKIM that is taking place at a variety of vendues, such as MAAWG

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
which no one should take for granted - even marketers are finally get that point. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
3.9 should state these minimal DKIM related output purpose is to get a Security and/or Trust Evaluation. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

[ietf-dkim] Output summary - Keep your Eye on the Prize!

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
you want. But you have the others too. What is technically wrong with this? -- Sincerely Hector Santos http://www.santronics.com Dave CROCKER wrote: On 5/4/2011 2:47 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: On 05/04/2011 02:32 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: On 5/4/2011 2:29 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: I

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - Keep your Eye on the Prize!

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
up to you to reduce the conflicts with proposed compromising text. Murray, I am not your problem as much you believe, insist it is. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates

[ietf-dkim] Issue: Section 3.9 - Add AUID and ODID

2011-05-04 Thread Hector Santos
of signature validation result codes. You might be able to figure out better text. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list

[ietf-dkim] Question: ADSP DKIM=UNKNOWN and A-R reporting

2011-05-03 Thread Hector Santos
labeled as DKIM=OPTIONAL because if someone went to extent to declare a record, it wouldn't be unknown what he intended. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-03 Thread Hector Santos
will need a fall back with ODID. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] Question: ADSP DKIM=UNKNOWN and A-R reporting

2011-05-03 Thread Hector Santos
(FAIL). I don't wish to combine those as UNKNOWN. In short the combinations of inputs and outputs allows for all states to exist. Note, these are all part of the semantics ambiguities discussed in the past regarding ADSP. I hope we can fix it. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-02 Thread Hector Santos
Alessandro Vesely wrote: On 01.05.2011 10:38, Hector Santos wrote: Again, its about protocol consistency. So maybe I should ask the chairs for: Consensus needs to be reevaluated IMHO, it needs not: It is premature to define an ODID now. ADSP is considered somewhat broken

[ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-02 Thread Hector Santos
Hector Santos wrote: IMV, ADSP is only broken in that it didn't allow you to declare you were allowing mipassoc.org to sign for you or in general My Mail Is Always Signed - by me or someone else. By the way Alessandro, you could explore ADSP/ATPS support from your record. Use

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-02 Thread Hector Santos
, just say its an optional part of the total DKIM Service Architecture. Just like VBR is, just like A-R is. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-02 Thread Hector Santos
for the DATA payload. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

[ietf-dkim] issue: Section 2.6/ 3.5 AUID/i= should have pubkey t=s info

2011-05-02 Thread Hector Santos
or is a sub-domain of it. If the public key contains t=s, then the domain name MUST be the same as SDID. For DKIM processing, -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - Communicating Results

2011-05-01 Thread Hector Santos
are using the DKIM recommended A-R reporting method and needs the AUID as part of a DKIM Complete Outputs. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-01 Thread Hector Santos
Agent or User. Who/What is an Agent? Undefined? Who is the User? I presume the RFC5322.From? No? -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org

Re: [ietf-dkim] Ticket 23 -- l= and Content-type

2011-05-01 Thread Hector Santos
l= is mentioned, you will see sentences with inferences for an expectation it is present and/or should be added. These sentences need to be reworded to indicate it is an option and not an expectation. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com

[ietf-dkim] New Introduction Text

2011-05-01 Thread Hector Santos
in peace. :) -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-01 Thread Hector Santos
and ergonomically (UI) claim the author is trusted whether or not the signer had any association with the author or not. Again, its about protocol consistency. So maybe I should ask the chairs for: Consensus needs to be reevaluated -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http

Re: [ietf-dkim] Ticket 23 -- l= and Content-type

2011-05-01 Thread Hector Santos
that are resigning, the l= concern is gone as long as the ODID (Originating Domain Identity) accepts the independent MLM DKIM resigning role. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-01 Thread Hector Santos
Michael Thomas wrote: Dave CROCKER wrote: On 4/30/2011 9:10 PM, Hector Santos wrote: So perhaps to help shut down this ambiguity we should add a DKIM terminology to clearly separate it from AUID. 3.x Originating Domain Identity (ODID) The ODID is the domain part of the From

Re: [ietf-dkim] Output summary - proposing ODID Originating Domain Identity

2011-05-01 Thread Hector Santos
Hector Santos wrote: Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: Hector stated: I think this message by Barry in March 2009 summarizing a conference call between Pasi, Stephen and Barry nicely captures the upper/lower layers, ADSP, i= and outputs conflicts that continue today: http://mipassoc.org

Re: [ietf-dkim] Ticket 23 -- l= and Content-type

2011-05-01 Thread Hector Santos
not need to add the l= tag to the signature if they are signing the entire body. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://santronics.blogspot.com ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list

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