Re: Online copies of textinfo content available?

2018-10-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 10:46:12AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I posted this question to debian-user@lists.debian.org . The replies totally ignored my primary question and reason I asked [emphasized in this copy]. You seemingly ignored answers which addressed it. Side question: Could I have

Re: Online copies of textinfo content available?

2018-10-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 09:41:54AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Many man pages end with: The full documentation for Ed is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info > and XYZ programs are properly installed at your site, the command info XYZ should give you access to the complete manual.

Re: which program can test cpu speed

2018-10-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 05:34:26PM +0300, Reco wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 09:59:16AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 08:57:29AM +0300, Reco wrote: > Why would you need a *program* to do that then you have Linux kernel > already? > > grep bogomips /proc/cpu

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 09:44:47AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: As I'm fond of saying TANSTAAFL. If we all, with multiple machine sites, did this it would make a measureable difference in bandwidth used If people want to set up local ntp servers, great. But just configure the clients with a

Re: which program can test cpu speed

2018-10-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 08:57:29AM +0300, Reco wrote: Why would you need a *program* to do that then you have Linux kernel already? grep bogomips /proc/cpuinfo Anyone reading that advice: ignore it. You cannot use bogomips to meaningfully compare processors. Mike Stone

Re: Confusing our users - who is supporting LTS?

2018-10-25 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 09:15:31PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Noah writes that the latest image is 8.7. The latest jessie version is 8.11 according to https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie. Ok, then obviously nobody cares. :) Either way, the important thing is that security updates are

Re: strange DHCP behaviour [SOLVED]

2018-10-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 02:35:37PM +0200, tony wrote: Ew, this time it worked. I wonder why deleting the leases file was better than clearing it out? Hard to say at this point, but are you sure you cleared every instance in the leases file? (Entries often appear more than once.)

Re: Confusing our users - who is supporting LTS?

2018-10-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:05:35PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: We should not be in the business of distributing known-vulnerable software. There are practical considerations around point releases and such which makes this not-really-true for a period of time after there's a security update

Accepted rng-tools5 5-4 (source amd64) into unstable

2018-10-19 Thread Michael Stone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 10:41:33 -0400 Source: rng-tools5 Binary: rng-tools5 Architecture: source amd64 Version: 5-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Michael Stone Changed-By: Michael Stone Description: rng-tools5

Bug#909803: freeipa-client: depends chrony should be downgraded to recommends

2018-10-02 Thread Michael Stone
severity 909803 serious thanks There does not seem to be any logic in the freeipa-client package to ensure a working time configuration after ntp is forced out in favor of chrony. This implies that a freeipa client may become unusable after upgrade once its clock has drifted far enough in the

Bug#909803: freeipa-client: depends chrony should be downgraded to recommends

2018-10-02 Thread Michael Stone
severity 909803 serious thanks There does not seem to be any logic in the freeipa-client package to ensure a working time configuration after ntp is forced out in favor of chrony. This implies that a freeipa client may become unusable after upgrade once its clock has drifted far enough in the

Bug#909803: freeipa-client: depends chrony should be downgraded to recommends

2018-09-28 Thread Michael Stone
Package: freeipa-client Version: 4.7.0-1 Severity: normal freeipa client does not technically require chrony (or, previously, ntp). The ipa-client-install routine provides an option to not configure NTP, and the ipa docs instruct that this option should be used if the administrator wants to use a

Re: question about ls

2018-09-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 08:58:05AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: ls should be considered a user interface, not an API. One should strive to minimize these differences, though. This is, of course, just my opinion, but you can pry... (you know the rest ;-) Sure you can--you use find. There

Re: question about ls

2018-09-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 09:59:58AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: All of the above give the wrong answers when filenames contain newlines. Any solution that involves printing the filenames to a stream and then trying to parse that stream to guess how many filenames are in the stream is a

Re: And yet another UEFI/BIOS question: Work on both.

2018-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 02:11:44PM -0500, David Wright wrote: You might think that from the name of the link, but the page fails to live up to its promise. Some quotations: "BIOS lives inside a chip on your computers motherboard. Inside the BIOS, is a small section called “MBR”, which stands

Re: Bind: A caching local server caches but not for long

2018-09-17 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:20:51AM +0200, local10 wrote: ;; ANSWER SECTION: old.reddit.com. 241 IN  CNAME   reddit.map.fastly.net. reddit.map.fastly.net.  8   IN  A   151.101.21.140 this number ^^^ is the TTL/"time to live" in seconds. It is set by the

Re: ext2 for /boot ???

2018-09-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 01:23:31PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: I just find it amazing that the kernel has grown to be so big as to be comparable to a complete unix distribution on a workstation of some years ago (with GUI, compilers, ...). Have you tried one of those lately? I keep some

Re: ext2 for /boot ???

2018-09-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 08:37:45AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: BTW, am I the only one here bothered that his 250MB /boot partition tends to fill up, even though a 500MB HDD was plenty to hold the whole OS plus lots and lots of free space, on a 64bit workstation like the original DEC Alphas?

Re: ext2 for /boot ???

2018-09-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 01:50:40PM -0500, David Wright wrote: So what are the arguments against doing this (which I accept there may well be)? We'll ignore the eyebrow-raising need for /boot to be journalled, shall we? That it's an oddball untested configuration with no benefits at all seems

Re: update problem

2018-09-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 07:50:28AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: Plus, you have the advantage of a system that is customized to your hardware and personal tastes. System runs and boots faster. Confirmation bias is such a powerful thing...

Re: ext2 for /boot ???

2018-09-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 02:18:46AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: I want my boot partitions accessible no matter what I boot, even if it means booting using a Windows 98 floppy disk, attaching it via USB to a Mac, or booting an ancient PC running a pre-2.4 kernel. EXT2 has maximum backward

Re: ext2 for /boot ??? -- WAS: Re: root on ZFS

2018-09-11 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 04:01:10AM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 11/09/18 22:48, Matthew Crews wrote: My recommendation is to use a separate /boot partition and make it EXT2. Why not at least ext3? I don't baulk at ext4 btw for /boot -- I can never understand why ext2 is recommended when

Re: File with weird permissions, impossible to delete

2018-09-11 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 07:34:53PM +0200, Martin wrote: don't get crazy about FS corruption. There is no sign this is the case so far. umm, yeah, this is pretty classic. it's more likely than not that random bits will result in file attributes that can be interpreted but are completely

Re: File with weird permissions, impossible to delete

2018-09-11 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 09:49:32AM -0600, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: "Thomas Schmitt" writes: Something trampled the parent directory or its attached data structures. It appears to be the two inodes, not the parent directory, that got trampled. The problem is that it's fairly unlikely that two

Re: File with weird permissions, impossible to delete

2018-09-11 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 08:59:56AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 01:52:15PM +0200, Pétùr wrote: I have some files, with weird permissions: # ls -la d-wS--S--T 2 1061270772 2605320832 4096 oct. 7 2412 index.html Obvious file system corruption. Unmount, fsck,

Re: Updating the policy for conflicting binaries names ? [was: Re: Re: New package netgen-lvs with binary /usr/bin/netgen - already taken]

2018-09-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 08:18:10PM +0200, Sylvestre Ledru wrote: For example, in the Rust team, we have been discussing about packaging fd (a find alternative developed using rust [1]). We are planning to install it in /usr/bin/fd .. but this conflicts with something completely different,

Re: Network issue

2018-08-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 07:32:24AM +0300, Reco wrote: On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 06:43:00PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 09:58:47PM +0300, Reco wrote: > 3) e1000e may be bad, but vmxnet3 will make oom-killer an everyday > reality. SR-IOV is a way to go. everyday?

Re: Network issue

2018-08-29 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 09:58:47PM +0300, Reco wrote: 3) e1000e may be bad, but vmxnet3 will make oom-killer an everyday reality. SR-IOV is a way to go. everyday? really? when did you last try this?

Accepted coreutils 8.30-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2018-08-29 Thread Michael Stone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 16:20:06 -0400 Source: coreutils Binary: coreutils Architecture: source amd64 Version: 8.30-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Michael Stone Changed-By: Michael Stone Description: coreutils - GNU

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-29 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:35:21PM -, Dan Purgert wrote: Michael Stone wrote: [...] I personally tend to think that bringing the next billion people online is more important than maintaining a Manichaean priesthood based on internet protocols from the 80s. So, we need to replace HTTP

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-29 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 01:02:21PM +0100, Joe wrote: No, very occasionally, a proposed change is a clear improvement. Usually it's just about altering the distribution of income. Rather, in my experience, resistance to change is usually about preserving the status quo and reinforcing the

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-29 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 09:33:16AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: And Gnus. That's exactly the point all those "yay, modern, shiny" folks don't "get": But what the luddites seem to miss is that the protocol is far less important than the content, and even if the luddites don't like the new

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:18:59AM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: I have at no stage advocated a "generic architecture of NNTP transit servers". I have at no stage advocated any NNTP servers being "open to arbitrary groups", other than those created by group owners. [snip long list of other

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:24:51PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: If you have a bunch of users on remote SMTP and NNTP servers then it's always a wash. (MUAs don't typically download the entire message body unless asked to, just as news readers don't typically download the entire message

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:46:15PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: web forums, app-based, IM-style, etc.) but none of that, to my mind, lessens NNTP's ideal applicability to getting private discussion group messages from place to place (the front end UI/UX being a different thing again). Ignoring

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 05:02:08PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: Lots of people download files from FTP servers but that's a wholly different culture and use case than Usenet provided for in practice. And who said that binaries (whether legal or illegal) was not a big part of Usenet at its height?

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:50:27PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: Additionally, both FTP and HTTP were not and are not federated, one-to-many services or systems in the way that Usenet was I guess this is where I say "But why would you expect it to be?" and ignore the rest of the argument.

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:22:56PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:16:06AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 02:03:05PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: >Isn't this true of, say, HTTP too? Not in the same way, because you have a sender and a recei

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 02:52:36PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: Except for perhaps hacked servers in some cases, FTP never did have much of a part to play in binaries distribution from what I could see. I guess you didn't use debian? Or are we only talking about the illegal content that I

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 02:03:05PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: Isn't this true of, say, HTTP too? Not in the same way, because you have a sender and a receiver, without the potentially infinite number of other machines that might be getting a copy of the content just in case someone might

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 01:16:45PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: NNTP was inefficient in this regard compared to what other protocol or protocols, exactly? FTP and later HTTP, which handled binaries efficiently. In fact, one was even named in a way to suggest it was a good way to transfer files.

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 09:15:43AM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: You appear to be conflating the NNTP protocol with Usenet, the global message transmission network. They are different things. Usenet as we currently know it relies on NNTP but NNTP is not Usenet. Whilst I agree that it is true that

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 09:39:43AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: No. I guess the thing is that *because* NNTP was comparatively efficient, it was used for the "big stuff" (alt.pic.* anyone?). The point is that, to reap the benefits of its efficiency, a provider has to set up an NNTP server and

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 12:28:35PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:37:48AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: That bandwidth limit is not on your side of the isp, its the bandwidth from the main trunk lines to the isp. NNTP is a huge bandwidth hog regardless of how much of it your

Re: df -h shows insufficient precision

2018-08-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 12:25:44PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: df shows bytes, df -h shows only one decimal place, so e.g. on a 1.8TiB drive "1.6T" is the free space, but that resolution/ precision is insufficient. Insufficient for what?

Re: Why does my system download directly from security-cdn.debian.org?

2018-08-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 01:16:26PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: deb http://apt-cache.localdomain:3142/security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free deb http://apt-cache.localdomain:3142/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib apt-cacher would typically be used by putting something like

Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?

2018-08-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 07:58:33AM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: So the question is, are there any corner cases where unrar-free excels As I suggested before, compatability with existing scripts is one reason--unar has incompatible command line syntax. (Although along those lines, having

Re: Status of java-package

2018-08-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 07:34:59PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: I am surprised of the disapperance of javaws, since many mangement console use them... And I do not count on hardware (or SOC) vendors to upgrade them to whatever the new scheme will be. It's better in the long term to keep around a

Re: Slow XFS write

2018-08-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:53:25AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: Can you rebuild the partition? If so, unmount it then perform the dd directly to the device. To be clear, ^^^ this will destroy the filesystem. Mike Stone

Re: Slow XFS write

2018-08-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 04:02:42PM +0200, Martin LEUSCH wrote: what happens with dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/srv/nfs/testfile bs=64k count=16k conv=fsync And this is direct on the server, not via NFS, right? I've got same result as previous test. tests with dd command are executed directly on the

Re: Slow XFS write

2018-08-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 02:25:51PM +0200, Martin LEUSCH wrote: I tested write speed with dd command like "dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/srv/nfs/ testfile bs=1G count=1 oflag=direct". The 10 MB/s for the data partition also correspond to the behavior I get in real situation, when I copy a big file on

Re: Slow XFS write

2018-08-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:41:08AM +0200, Martin LEUSCH wrote: I have a NFS server with a hardware RAID5 on 3 HDD of 6 TB. I have a system partition with ext4 and a data partition with XFS. I get only 10 MB/s in write speed on the XFS data partition and 80 MB/s on the system partition. how

Re: painted into a corner

2018-08-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 08:29:12PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: So its off to do the 8th install to the same hard drive today... Just think of all the time you might not have wasted if you'd just told us what the problem was when you tried to mount the partition. Because what you're trying to

Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?

2018-08-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 08:09:21PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: Michael Stone (2018-08-21): Read more closely. :) Please elaborate. He didn't say "unrar"

Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?

2018-08-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 08:01:19PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: shirish शिरीष (2018-08-21): Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any

Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?

2018-08-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:26:53PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any application or is there something

Re: Installing package *NOT* in repository

2018-08-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:23:59AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: Second, this whole thread has been about the undocumented feature of apt (but not apt-get) that allows you to specify a pathname to a .deb file on an "apt install" command. Nobody was quite sure how it worked, because it's

Re: Installing package *NOT* in repository

2018-08-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 09:33:31AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: Y'know what, I'm getting sick of apt having this feature and not documenting it anywhere. So I decided to do an "apt-get source apt" and try to find it in the freakin' code. The relevant test is: if (I != nullptr && (I[0] ==

Re: Sid: please fix dependences of nfs-common

2018-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
(cc'ing package maintainers for insight) On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:07:13PM +0200, Grzegorz Sójka wrote: Please add netbase to the deps of the nfs-common package. Without it mounting is impossible, more details may be found in the "Sid: NFSv3 mounting problem" thread. This should probably

Re: Sid: please fix dependences of nfs-common

2018-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
(cc'ing package maintainers for insight) On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:07:13PM +0200, Grzegorz Sójka wrote: Please add netbase to the deps of the nfs-common package. Without it mounting is impossible, more details may be found in the "Sid: NFSv3 mounting problem" thread. This should probably

Re: painted into a corner

2018-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 04:27:18PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: If you had read that wall of text, the error was that the new version of ext4 supported stuff the wheezy version didn't and it recommended getting an updated e2fs-utils, which of course is not available in a wheezy repo. That was

Re: painted into a corner

2018-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 06:53:14PM +0100, Brian wrote: My suggestion is along the same lines as David Wright's. Boot the installer and stop when you get to partitioning. Switch to a console (ALT-F2) and mount the wheezy and stretch partitions. Use cp to copy files between the two partitions.

Re: Sid: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1 (r8169): transmit queue 0 timed out

2018-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 05:57:16PM +, Grzegorz Sójka wrote: By a heavy traffic i get the following error: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1 (r8169): transmit queue 0 timed out As a workaround a turned off jumbo frames support. Is there any other solution making it possible to use jumbo frames??

Re: painted into a corner

2018-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:33:29AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: sudo reboot doesn't unmount the system drive cleanly enough? Then I'd call it a bug. I'm sure you would. But for all of your wall-of-text ranting, you failed to ever provide basic information like "what is the result of trying to

Re: Sid: NFSv3 mounting problem (again!)

2018-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 05:25:07PM +0300, Reco wrote: Note that your client advertizes NFSv4 support. Maybe that's what they really use? The output of `mount` or /proc/mounts will show what's actually in use. Mike Stone

Re: Sid: NFSv3 mounting problem (again!)

2018-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 12:42:14PM +0200, Grzegorz Sójka wrote: I added /etc/services /etc/rpc What on earth does this mean? How did the system get into such a state that these were missing? Mike Stone

Re: painted into a corner

2018-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 03:40:55PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it autopartition and format for separate /, swap, /var and /home partitions. But I didn't let it overwrite the grub on the 1st drive it was/is booting wheezy from. I figured I'd

Re: Group ID conflicts between different distros: how to manage them with NIS?

2018-08-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 02:48:56PM -0300, Joao Roscoe wrote: Right, that's best practice. But, what if I need to include a user who is defined in NIS in lp or ttyS0 group? Would going into /etc/group in *every* machine be unavoidable? That's one option. Another would be to create new

Re: Group ID conflicts between different distros: how to manage them with NIS?

2018-08-17 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 10:36:38AM -0300, Joao Roscoe wrote: What would be the best way to manage this (other than managing groups on machines themselves, individually)? Different NIS domains for different distros? Is there any tutorial on managing multiple domains on the same NIS server, out

Re: USB2 or 3 WiFi dual band adapters

2018-08-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:46:36AM +1200, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote: Huh? Intel cards are numerous and cheap - they come in PCIe / NGFF form factors (like the easily available ath) - get a PCIe/USB to MiniPCIe converter card for a few pennies off Aliexpress and you are in business. Everyone

Re: USB2 or 3 WiFi dual band adapters

2018-08-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 08:12:37AM -0700, tony mollica wrote: I need to find a good, reliable WiFi adapter.  I have an Alfa AWUS036ACH using a RTL8812au chip and there is support but it's unreliable.  Connects sometimes, mostly not.  My older adapters work but they're slow but maybe that's the

Re: What time is it, really?

2018-08-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 07:46:46PM +0200, Fekete Tamás wrote: verify the output. note: ntpd has to run!). Assume, that you choosed the proper time source for sync, so it means that the mechanism which steps your clock locally is broken. It can be battery reasons on the mainboard, temperature can

Re: What time is it, really?

2018-08-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:18:19AM -0500, David Wright wrote: Currently we have a consumer radio clock which is a source of mystery to me twice a year: the DST change occurs in the early evening on Saturday instead of Sunday morning. The clock isn't properly decoding the DST bits. See

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 08:29:34AM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote: Correct. Procmail uses a set of rules to decide what to go with messages presented to it; those rules are usually based on the contents of message headers, but don't have to be. For example, for this mailing list: :0:

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:29:53PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: Yup. Details on how to direct its filtering/distribution are in the procmailrc manpage. Its development stabilised some time ago, and those of us who use it are very content with that. I would not recommend procmail for new

Re: What time is it, really?

2018-08-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 09:36:33AM -0700, Fred wrote: I think you may be right. It seems a stupid response from ntpdate since I asked the time from the server. So, ntpdate maybe isn't what I should be using. ntpdate isn't a tool to tell you the time, it's a tool to establish the offset

Re: What time is it, really?

2018-08-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 11:54:54AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 04:15:36PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: Additionally, from http://doc.ntp.org/current-stable/ntpq.html#rv (rv allows one to read the offset for a particular association directly), "Note that time values are

Re: What time is it, really?

2018-08-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 07:19:46AM -0700, Fred wrote: Someone complained off list about the timestamp in my emails being off. Being a hardware person I think hardware should work properly and clocks should keep accurate time. So I installed ntpdate as suggested but it is not active yet. If

Re: Kernel 4.9.0-7-686 Installed RAM vs. uabale RAM

2018-08-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 12:25:14AM +0200, deloptes wrote: Pascal Hambourg wrote: But you need a 686-pae or amd64 kernel to use RAM beyond 4 GiB, as Michael pointed out. but he has 3GB and machine sees only 2 - is it because kernel is not pae? I was thinking that 686 system can see (and use)

Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo

2018-08-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 06:01:27PM +, Curt wrote: I thought his point might be that in typing the full path at least you know you're getting '/bin/su' and not some other 'su' that a malevolent individual might have created in your home directory after prepending HOME to your path, for

Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo

2018-08-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 11:14:26AM -0500, David Wright wrote: On Tue 07 Aug 2018 at 15:31:43 (+0200), Nicolas George wrote: The Wanderer (2018-08-07): > > Anyone who learns the user's password can obtain the second password > > pretty easily. > How so? Just insert a fake su in their path.

Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo

2018-08-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 09:22:07AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: Or, rather, that you can do elevated-access things with the same credentials as are used to permit non-elevated access. I consider that to be, by definition, a security hole. That can be addressed three ways: first, you can have

Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo

2018-08-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 02:27:48PM +0200, Martin wrote: Am 07.08.2018 um 14:07 schrieb The Wanderer: On 2018-08-07 at 07:47, Martin wrote: As a system operator, you need some elevated privileges on a daily basis. How do you do that without sudo? No, I don't. I only need them when I'm doing

Re: Kernel 4.9.0-7-686 Installed RAM vs. uabale RAM

2018-08-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 02:53:18PM +0200, basti wrote: Hello, I have a system with Kernel 4.9.0-7-686, installed RAM are 3x 1GB but free -m only show 2GB. Whats wrong here? Install a -pae kernel. Mike Stone

Bug#905242: vsftpd: postinst fails if /srv/ftp is a symlink

2018-08-01 Thread Michael Stone
Package: vsftpd Version: 3.0.3-10 Severity: important Current postinst contains: if [ ! -d "${_DIRECTORY}" ] then mkdir -p "${_DIRECTORY}" chown root:${_USERNAME} ${_DIRECTORY} else

Re: Set the MTU on the interface

2018-08-01 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 01, 2018 at 01:28:17PM +0300, Алексей wrote: Well, i can't use the pre-up direcrive without the iface statement. Or I can use one on the first vlan interface however it seems not very obvious decision to maintain it later. You can actually put it on all of the interfaces that need

Re: Set the MTU on the interface

2018-07-31 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 03:55:52PM +0300, Алексей wrote: I can't set the MTU in the eth0 configuration. I can probably write a pre-up directive in the configuraion of the first vlan interface however I'm not sure if this is correct way. Probably someone can advice better one? You can do it

Re: Should the weboob package stay in Debian?

2018-07-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 05:16:52PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 21:25:11 +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: Obviously we renamed packages (which made us incompatible with the rest of the world) already if needed. Rememver iceweasel or icedove? Didn't we ship aliases? Are firefox and

Bug#904019: ITP: libxcrypt -- Extended crypt library for DES, MD5, Blowfish and others

2018-07-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 02:35:59AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: I think you can do something like: [...] # postinst time: use link & rename to replace working version atomically. It's technically possible, but AFAICT a policy violation. Mike Stone

Bug#904019: ITP: libxcrypt -- Extended crypt library for DES, MD5, Blowfish and others

2018-07-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 02:35:59AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: I think you can do something like: [...] # postinst time: use link & rename to replace working version atomically. It's technically possible, but AFAICT a policy violation. Mike Stone

Re: Bug#904019: ITP: libxcrypt -- Extended crypt library for DES, MD5, Blowfish and others

2018-07-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 02:35:59AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: I think you can do something like: [...] # postinst time: use link & rename to replace working version atomically. It's technically possible, but AFAICT a policy violation. Mike Stone

Bug#904019: ITP: libxcrypt -- Extended crypt library for DES, MD5, Blowfish and others

2018-07-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 02:18:51AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jul 18, Marco d'Itri wrote: Some day it may replace crypt(3), currently provided by glibc: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Replace_glibc_libcrypt_with_libxcrypt I tried creating a package which would divert libc's

Bug#904019: ITP: libxcrypt -- Extended crypt library for DES, MD5, Blowfish and others

2018-07-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:47:02AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jul 20, Philipp Kern wrote: I think it's odd to say "here, I'm packaging up a replacement for your library, but I'm not going to coordinate with you" when we are preparing a (somewhat) coherent distribution, so I don't think that

Bug#904019: ITP: libxcrypt -- Extended crypt library for DES, MD5, Blowfish and others

2018-07-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 02:18:51AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jul 18, Marco d'Itri wrote: Some day it may replace crypt(3), currently provided by glibc: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Replace_glibc_libcrypt_with_libxcrypt I tried creating a package which would divert libc's

Bug#904019: ITP: libxcrypt -- Extended crypt library for DES, MD5, Blowfish and others

2018-07-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:47:02AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jul 20, Philipp Kern wrote: I think it's odd to say "here, I'm packaging up a replacement for your library, but I'm not going to coordinate with you" when we are preparing a (somewhat) coherent distribution, so I don't think that

Re: Bug#904019: ITP: libxcrypt -- Extended crypt library for DES, MD5, Blowfish and others

2018-07-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:47:02AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jul 20, Philipp Kern wrote: I think it's odd to say "here, I'm packaging up a replacement for your library, but I'm not going to coordinate with you" when we are preparing a (somewhat) coherent distribution, so I don't think that

Re: Bug#904019: ITP: libxcrypt -- Extended crypt library for DES, MD5, Blowfish and others

2018-07-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 02:18:51AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jul 18, Marco d'Itri wrote: Some day it may replace crypt(3), currently provided by glibc: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Replace_glibc_libcrypt_with_libxcrypt I tried creating a package which would divert libc's

Re: Power Failure

2018-07-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 06:45:16PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Cheap is a relative term. It's only "cheap" if it's cheap enough for a particular context to enjoy. Even if a HD was only a dollar a TB, it wouldn't be cheap to someone with 0 dollars. Well, you can't buy any storage with zero

Re: bug#32127: RFE -- in the way "cp -rl" -- enable 'ln' to do likewise?

2018-07-18 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 03:23:59AM -0700, L A Walsh wrote: In the case of creating a link to a directory there is no choice in creating a "working solution". If you want a link there, it HAS to be a symlink. That the user would bother to use the 'ln' (link) command in the first place

Re: An introduction to Debian's topology/structure/???

2018-07-18 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 08:44:13AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: First I'm looking comparison of required, important, standard, optional, and extra as package labels [particularly interested in corner cases]. I've been looking at [https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/]. I'm not grasping

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