Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone] SQLite support (migrations, work-arounds, and more), is it worth it?

2015-04-03 Thread Monty Taylor
On 04/03/2015 08:55 PM, Morgan Fainberg wrote: I am looking forward to the Liberty cycle and seeing the special casing we do for SQLite in our migrations (and elsewhere). My inclination is that we should (similar to the deprecation of eventlet) deprecate support for SQLite in Keystone. In

Re: [OpenStack-Infra] A proposal to use phabricator for issue tracking

2015-04-03 Thread Monty Taylor
On 04/03/2015 11:16 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Monty Taylor wrote: As a follow up to my previous email about thinking about ceasing to use storyboard, I have done some work towards investigating using phabricator. [...] For the record, I'll repost some of the analysis I did for mordred

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][oslo][clients] Let's speed up start of OpenStack libs and clients by optimizing imports with profimp

2015-04-02 Thread Monty Taylor
On 04/02/2015 06:22 PM, Brant Knudson wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Boris Pavlovic bo...@pavlovic.me wrote: Hi stackers, Recently, I started working on speeding up Rally cli. What I understand immediately is that I don't understand why it takes 700-800ms to just run rally

Re: [openstack-dev] The Evolution of core developer to maintainer?

2015-04-01 Thread Monty Taylor
On 04/01/2015 05:41 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Joe Gordon wrote: I am starting this thread based on Thierry's feedback on [0]. Instead of writing the same thing twice, you can look at the rendered html from that patch [1]. Neutron tried to go from core to maintainer but after input from the

Re: [openstack-dev] [infra] What do people think of YAPF (like gofmt, for python)?

2015-03-29 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/27/2015 07:21 AM, Sean Dague wrote: On 03/26/2015 06:46 PM, Robert Collins wrote: On 27 March 2015 at 09:14, Ryan Brown rybr...@redhat.com wrote: Ooof, that's huge. If we can configure it to be less aggressive I love the *idea* of having everything formatted semantically, but that's

Re: [openstack-dev] [infra] What do people think of YAPF (like gofmt, for python)?

2015-03-25 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/25/2015 05:50 PM, Maru Newby wrote: I am excited by the release of YAPF [1], a gofmt-like too for python. I think it has the potential to simplify style enforcement, and as much as I appreciate our current hacking checks, I’d be much happier not requiring developers to manually conform

Re: [openstack-dev] Cinder Third-Party CI: what next? (was Re: [cinder] Request exemption for removal of NetApp FC drivers (no voting CI))

2015-03-24 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/24/2015 06:05 PM, Kyle Mestery wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: Excerpts from Mark McClain's message of 2015-03-24 10:25:31 -0400: Echoing both Thierry and John. I support Mike’s decision to enforce the requirement. Maintaining

Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Better Corporate CLA management

2015-03-23 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/23/2015 04:15 PM, Clark Boylan wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Jimmy Mcarthur wrote: Hi all - The OpenStack Foundation has already worked up at least a portion of this solution by allowing one or more users with an OpenStackID to be set as a CCLA Admin for their

[OpenStack-Infra] Biting the bullet on issue tracking

2015-03-23 Thread Monty Taylor
Hi everybody, First, some background: A year and a half ago, Infra started down the road of of writing a replacement for the pieces of Launchpad that OpenStack continues to use. There were several reasons, but notable amongst them are: - Desire to use the forthcoming openstackid OpenID/Oauth as

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] how to handle vendor-specific API microversions?

2015-03-21 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/21/2015 01:21 AM, Chris Friesen wrote: Hi, I've recently been playing around a bit with API microversions and I noticed something that may be problematic. The way microversions are handled, there is a monotonically increasing MAX_API_VERSION value in

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] requirements-py{2, 3} and universal wheels

2015-03-17 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/17/2015 09:07 AM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 03/16/2015 08:32 PM, Robert Collins wrote: On 17 March 2015 at 13:22, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2015-03-17 12:54:00 +1300: I've raised this in reviews 157135 and 153966, but I think

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] requirements-py{2, 3} and universal wheels

2015-03-17 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/16/2015 08:32 PM, Robert Collins wrote: On 17 March 2015 at 13:22, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2015-03-17 12:54:00 +1300: I've raised this in reviews 157135 and 153966, but I think it deserves a thread of its own. I think

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] [all] python-glanceclient release 0.16.1

2015-03-05 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/05/2015 12:02 AM, Nikhil Komawar wrote: The python-glanceclient release management team is pleased to announce: python-glanceclient version 0.16.1 has been released on Thursday, Mar 5th around 04:56 UTC. For more information, please find the details at:

Re: [OpenStack-Infra] We're going to make a cloud, it needs a name

2015-03-05 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/05/2015 05:26 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: And the results: https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-W6R6K2T7/ It would appear that 'infra cloud' is far enough ahead of the others, including a wide margin in front of discuss further that I think we can declare it the winner of this very

Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Thoughts on evolving Zuul

2015-02-26 Thread Monty Taylor
On 02/26/2015 05:41 PM, Zaro wrote: Thanks Jim. This makes a lot of sense and will hopefully make things simpler and more robust. Just a few questions: I am not Jim - but I'm going to answer anyway ... 1. It looks like zuul can request a specific set of nodes for a job. Do you envision

Re: [openstack-dev] Removal of copyright statements above the Apache 2.0 license header

2015-02-17 Thread Monty Taylor
On 02/17/2015 07:58 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 01:16:46PM +0100, Christian Berendt wrote: On 02/17/2015 12:05 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: In section 4.(c) the LICENSE text says (c) You must retain, in the Source form of any Derivative Works that

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance][Artifacts] Object Version format: SemVer vs pep440

2015-02-10 Thread Monty Taylor
On 02/10/2015 10:28 AM, Alexander Tivelkov wrote: Hi folks, One of the key features that we are adding to Glance with the introduction of Artifacts is the ability to have multiple versions of the same object in the repository: this gives us the possibility to query for the latest version of

Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Cross-Repo Dependencies in Zuul

2015-02-10 Thread Monty Taylor
On 02/10/2015 05:26 PM, Boris Pavlovic wrote: James, Awesome! Amazing! You guys rock!=) Thanks Boris! Just trying to keep up with all of the awesome developers we have out there! On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:26 AM, James E. Blair cor...@inaugust.com wrote: Hi, We have added support for

Re: [openstack-dev] [horizon] JavaScript docs?

2015-02-04 Thread Monty Taylor
On 02/04/2015 12:48 PM, Michael Krotscheck wrote: I agree. StoryBoard's storyboard-webclient project has a lot of existing code already that's pretty well documented, but without knowing what documentation system we were going to settle on we never put any rule enforcement in place. If someone

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][cinder][neutron][security] Rootwrap on root-intensive nodes

2015-02-04 Thread Monty Taylor
On 02/04/2015 06:57 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Wed, Feb 04, 2015 at 11:58:03AM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: The first one is performance -- each call would spawn a Python interpreter which would then call the system command. This was fine when there were just a few calls here and there,

Re: [OpenStack-Infra] [infra] Nominating Elizabeth K. Joseph for infra-core and root

2015-01-31 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/30/2015 12:20 PM, James E. Blair wrote: Hi, The Infrastructure program has a unique three-tier team structure: contributors (that's all of us!), core members (people with +2 ability on infra projects in Gerrit) and root members (people with administrative access). Read all about it

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo.db] PyMySQL review

2015-01-30 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/28/2015 06:33 PM, Johannes Erdfelt wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2015, Mike Bayer mba...@redhat.com wrote: I can envision turning this driver into a total monster, adding C-speedups where needed but without getting in the way of async patching, adding new APIs for explicit async, and everything

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] SQL Schema Downgrades and Related Issues

2015-01-29 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/29/2015 11:06 AM, Morgan Fainberg wrote: As a quick preface, today there is the assumption you can upgrade and downgrade your SQL Schema. For the most part we do our best to test all of this in our unit tests (do upgrades and downgrades land us in the same schema). What isn’t clearly

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread Monty Taylor
with decisions, however well meaning, that take place outside of the public context. So please accept my apology for my language - and please engage with me in the discussion around how to make sure people don't inadvertently begin to feel disenfranchised. Thanks, Monty On 01/27/2015 04:50 PM, Monty

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack Foundation] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/27/2015 10:35 PM, James E. Blair wrote: Lauren Sell lau...@openstack.org writes: Hey Monty, I’d like to weigh in here, because I think there have been some misunderstandings around Lemming-gate. I’m glad you raised your concerns; it’s a good test of release naming for us all to

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/28/2015 01:29 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Monty Taylor wrote: You'll notice that I did say in my suggestion that ANYONE should be able to propose a name - I believe that would include non-dev people. Since the people in question are marketing people, I would imagine that if any of them

[openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-27 Thread Monty Taylor
I do not like how we are selecting names for our releases right now. The current process is autocratic and opaque and not fun - which is the exact opposite of what a community selected name should be. I propose: * As soon as development starts on release X, we open the voting for the name of

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-27 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/27/2015 06:05 PM, Jonathan Bryce wrote: On Jan 27, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: I do not like how we are selecting names for our releases right now. The current process is autocratic and opaque and not fun - which is the exact opposite of what a community

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] All rights reserved V.S. Apache license

2015-01-17 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/17/2015 03:27 AM, ZhiQiang Fan wrote: Hi, developers I have observed that some source code files in our projects have been announced as Copyright xxx, All rights reserved, and then followed by a Apache License Is this right? any conflict? And if one company claims that it

Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Stackforge projects: Manila Image Project and licensing considerations

2015-01-15 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/14/2015 07:28 AM, Csaba Henk wrote: Hi, I hope I'm addressing the right list -- if not, please point me where it's appropriate. We (Manila developers) plan to start a new side-project that would be hosted on Stackforge. It's tentatively named Manila Image Project, although it would

Re: [openstack-dev] [hacking] proposed rules drop for 1.0

2014-12-09 Thread Monty Taylor
On 12/09/2014 03:39 AM, Sean Dague wrote: I'd like to propose that for hacking 1.0 we drop 2 groups of rules entirely. 1 - the entire H8* group. This doesn't function on python code, it functions on git commit message, which makes it tough to run locally. It also would be a reason to prevent

Re: [openstack-dev] [docs] Older Developer documentation Icehouse? Havana?

2014-12-02 Thread Monty Taylor
On 12/02/2014 06:14 AM, Russell Sim wrote: Hi, From what I can see it seems like the developer documentation available on the OpenStack website is generated from the git repositories. http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html Are older versions of this documentation

Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] the future of angularjs development in Horizon

2014-11-25 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/25/2014 03:40 PM, Richard Jones wrote: On Wed Nov 26 2014 at 3:36:27 AM Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: On 11/21/2014 08:31 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: On Nov 21, 2014, at 3:59 AM, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: I'm not sure I understand the meaning behind this question.

Re: [openstack-dev] [NFV][Telco] pxe-boot

2014-11-25 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/25/2014 05:33 PM, Angelo Matarazzo wrote: Hi all, my team and I are working on pxe boot feature very similar to the Discless VM one in Active blueprint list[1] The blueprint [2] is no longer active and we created a new spec [3][4]. Nova core reviewers commented our spec and the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] removing XML testing completely from Tempest

2014-11-24 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/24/2014 12:36 PM, Lance Bragstad wrote: We are in the process of removing XML support from Keystone [1] and have provided configuration options to Tempest for testing XML in older releases [2]. However, the identity client is still tightly coupled to XML test cases. We can either fix

Re: [openstack-dev] [cinder] Anyone Using the Open Solaris ZFS Driver?

2014-11-24 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/24/2014 10:14 AM, Drew Fisher wrote: On 11/17/14 10:27 PM, Duncan Thomas wrote: Is the new driver drop-in compatible with the old one? IF not, can existing systems be upgraded to the new driver via some manual steps, or is it basically a completely new driver with similar

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] Add a new aiogreen executor for Oslo Messaging

2014-11-23 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/23/2014 06:13 PM, Robert Collins wrote: On 24 November 2014 at 11:01, victor stinner victor.stin...@enovance.com wrote: Hi, I'm happy to announce you that I just finished the last piece of the puzzle to add support for trollius coroutines in Oslo Messaging! See my two changes: * Add

Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Chicken and Egg patches

2014-11-17 Thread Monty Taylor
Hi! We do not land such patches. We make sure that there is a sequence in which they can land. We have actually come to realize that this is a feature not a bug, as it is important for people doing CD. Monty On Nov 17, 2014 7:36 AM, Spencer Krum krum.spen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I help

Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Chicken and Egg patches

2014-11-17 Thread Monty Taylor
I'm on my phone and will follow up when I am not. Tl;Dr,they have a valid use case we don't have upstream that bears thought On Nov 17, 2014 3:11 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Spencer Krum's message of 2014-11-17 02:36:20 -0800: Hi, I help run a clone of infra

Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] the future of angularjs development in Horizon

2014-11-12 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/12/2014 02:17 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: On 11/11/14 10:53, Jiri Tomasek wrote: Hey, Thanks for writing this up! The Storyboard project has successfully integrated these tools into the OpenStack CI environment. OpenStack CI and distributors are different, because OpenStack CI does

Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] the future of angularjs development in Horizon

2014-11-12 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/12/2014 02:40 AM, Richard Jones wrote: On 12 November 2014 18:17, Matthias Runge mru...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/11/14 10:53, Jiri Tomasek wrote: Hey, Thanks for writing this up! The Storyboard project has successfully integrated these tools into the OpenStack CI environment.

[OpenStack-Infra] Snippets for infra manual

2014-11-05 Thread Monty Taylor
Hey all, In the infra-manual talk, we discussed the possibility of having a collection of tasks separate from roles where those are used, and talked about how we were going to maybe need to write some sphinx support. Turns out ... sphinx can already do this right now. If you have two files:

Re: [openstack-dev] MOS Infra weekly report (29 Oct 2014 - 31 Oct 2014)

2014-11-01 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/31/2014 05:03 PM, Sergey Lukjanov wrote: Heh, wrong mailing list :( Now I know your sekrits... On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Sergey Lukjanov slukja...@mirantis.com wrote: Hi colleagues, here you can find the weekly report for MOS Infra activity -

Re: [openstack-dev] TC election by the numbers

2014-10-30 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/30/2014 04:45 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Jeremy Stanley's message of 2014-10-29 18:37:42 -0700: On 2014-10-29 18:27:48 -0700 (-0700), Clint Byrum wrote: IIRC, there is no method for removing foundation members. So there are likely a number of people listed who have moved on to

Re: [openstack-dev] [All] Finalizing cross-project design summit track

2014-10-30 Thread Monty Taylor
omission: the SDK. In the Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise thread [0] having a real SDK was one of the top answers. Many folks had great responses that clearly explained the issues end users are having [1]. As for who could lead a session like this I have two ideas: Monty Taylor, who had one of the most

Re: [openstack-dev] FreeBSD host support

2014-10-27 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/27/2014 06:39 AM, Michael Still wrote: On Tuesday, October 21, 2014, Roman Bogorodskiy rbogorods...@mirantis.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Roman Bogorodskiy

Re: [openstack-dev] [DevStack] Proposal - add support for Markdown for docs

2014-10-21 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/21/2014 10:37 AM, Collins, Sean wrote: I do see mentions of gh-pages in the build_docs.sh script - is devstack.org redirect to GitHub? Nope - it used to be. It's now built and published like the rest of openstack docs. Now - I don't want to get in the way of the work you're wanting to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] disambiguating the term discovery

2014-10-20 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/20/2014 07:11 PM, Devananda van der Veen wrote: Hi all, I was reminded in the Ironic meeting today that the words hardware discovery are overloaded and used in different ways by different people. Since this is something we are going to talk about at the summit (again), I'd like to

Re: [openstack-dev] Usage of @author tags in the header of Python files

2014-10-08 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/08/2014 10:45 AM, John Griffith wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:15 AM, David Lyle dkly...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see any need nor benefit from the tags. We should remove them if convenient. David On Oct 8, 2014 3:02 AM, Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 October

[openstack-dev] TC candidacy

2014-10-07 Thread Monty Taylor
Hi everybody! I'd like to announce my candidacy for re-election to the TC. tl;dr - Vote for me or vote for someone else you prefer I've been around the project for quite a while, having been on the phone calls where we were discussing the name OpenStack - although I'll admit I had absolutely

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-07 Thread Monty Taylor
) From: Joshua Harlow [harlo...@outlook.com] Sent: 07 October 2014 12:21 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading On Oct 3, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Monty Taylor mord

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-03 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/30/2014 12:07 PM, Tim Bell wrote: -Original Message- From: John Garbutt [mailto:j...@johngarbutt.com] Sent: 30 September 2014 15:35 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack

Re: [openstack-dev] [infra] Nominating Anita Kuno for project-config-core

2014-09-26 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/26/2014 08:34 AM, James E. Blair wrote: I'm pleased to nominate Anito Kuno to the project-config core team. The project-config repo is a constituent of the Infrastructure Program and has a core team structured to be a superset of infra-core with additional reviewers who specialize in

Re: [openstack-dev] [infra] Nominating Andreas Jaeger for project-config-core

2014-09-26 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/26/2014 08:35 AM, James E. Blair wrote: I'm pleased to nominate Andreas Jaeger to the project-config core team. The project-config repo is a constituent of the Infrastructure Program and has a core team structured to be a superset of infra-core with additional reviewers who specialize

Re: [openstack-dev] [infra] Nominating Sean Dague for project-config-core

2014-09-26 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/26/2014 08:35 AM, James E. Blair wrote: I'm pleased to nominate Sean Dague to the project-config core team. The project-config repo is a constituent of the Infrastructure Program and has a core team structured to be a superset of infra-core with additional reviewers who specialize in

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] In defence of faking

2014-09-22 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/22/2014 08:58 AM, Matthew Booth wrote: If you missed the inaugural OpenStack Bootstrapping Hour, it's here: http://youtu.be/jCWtLoSEfmw . I think this is a fantastic idea and big thanks to Sean, Jay and Dan for doing this. I liked the format, the informal style and the content.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] - what integration with Keystone is allowed?

2014-09-22 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/21/2014 10:57 PM, Nader Lahouti wrote: Thanks Kevin for bring it up in the ML, I was looking for a guideline or any document to clarify issues on this subject. I was told, even using keystone API in neutron is not permitted. I recognize that I'm potentially without context for neutron

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [infra] Python 2.6 tests can't possibly be passing in neutron

2014-09-22 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/22/2014 10:58 AM, Kevin L. Mitchell wrote: On Mon, 2014-09-22 at 10:32 -0700, Armando M. wrote: What about: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/test-requirements.txt#L12 Pulling in ordereddict doesn't do anything if your code doesn't use it when OrderedDict isn't in

[openstack-dev] usability anti-pattern

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
Hey, Not to name names, but some of our client libs do this: client.Client(API_VERSION, os_username, ... ) I'm pretty sure they got the idea from python-glanceclient, so I blame Brian Waldon, since he left us for CoreOS. PLEASE STOP DOING THIS - IT CAUSES BABIES TO CRY. MORE. As a

[openstack-dev] usability anti-pattern, part 2

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
except exc.Unauthorized: raise exc.CommandError(Invalid OpenStack credentials.) except exc.AuthorizationFailure: raise exc.CommandError(Unable to authorize user) This is pervasive enough that both of those exceptions come from openstack.common. Anyone?

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/19/2014 03:29 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Monty Taylor wrote: I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Hey Monty, As you can imagine, I read

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/19/2014 10:14 AM, John Dickinson wrote: On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:46 AM, John Griffith john.griff...@solidfire.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: Great writeup. I think there are some great concrete

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/19/2014 10:50 AM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:14 AM, John Dickinson m...@not.mn wrote: On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:46 AM, John Griffith john.griff...@solidfire.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Vishvananda

Re: [openstack-dev] usability anti-pattern, part 2

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
NO when necessary for the sake of the entire project. Jeez, now I'm sounding all enterprisey. On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: except exc.Unauthorized: raise exc.CommandError(Invalid OpenStack credentials.) except

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat][Zaqar] Integration plan moving forward

2014-09-19 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/19/2014 03:42 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 19/09/14 14:34, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-19 02:37:08 -0700: On 09/18/2014 11:51 AM, Angus Salkeld wrote: On 18/09/2014 7:11 PM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com mailto:fla...@redhat.com wrote:

[openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-18 Thread Monty Taylor
Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Enjoy. Monty ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] Log Rationalization -- Bring it on!

2014-09-18 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/17/2014 08:48 PM, John Dickinson wrote: On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:43 PM, Jay Faulkner j...@jvf.cc wrote: Comments inline. -Original Message- From: Monty Taylor [mailto:mord...@inaugust.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:34 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Expand resource name allowed characters

2014-09-18 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/17/2014 10:44 AM, Day, Phil wrote: -Original Message- From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 September 2014 19:37 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Expand resource name allowed characters Had to laugh about the PILE OF POO

Re: [openstack-dev] Log Rationalization -- Bring it on!

2014-09-17 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/17/2014 04:42 PM, Rochelle.RochelleGrober wrote: TL;DR: I consider the poor state of log consistency a major impediment for more widespread adoption of OpenStack and would like to volunteer to own this cross-functional process to begin to unify and standardize logging messages and

Re: [openstack-dev] pbr alpha and dev version handling

2014-09-17 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/17/2014 03:09 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: Earlier today we discovered a problem with the way pbr is generating dev version numbers for commits following tags using alpha pre-version suffixes [1]. Basically what’s happening is a commit following a tag like 1.3.0.0a3 is coming out as a

Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Setting the bar higher for stackforge

2014-09-15 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/15/2014 10:25 AM, Sandy Walsh wrote: From: Jeremy Stanley [fu...@yuggoth.org] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 2:05 PM On 2014-09-15 16:47:13 + (+), Sandy Walsh wrote: It's the Corporate CLA that's needed. The companies that want to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/09/2014 07:04 PM, Samuel Merritt wrote: On 9/9/14, 4:47 PM, Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Samuel Merritt s...@swiftstack.com wrote: On 9/9/14, 12:03 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: [snip] So which is it? Because it sounds like to me it's a thing that actually

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/10/2014 10:29 AM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: On 09/05/2014 12:36 PM, Tim Bell wrote: How can the average deployer know whether a stackforge is a. An early prototype which has completed (such as some of the early LBaaS packages) b. A project which has lost its initial steam and

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-09 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/04/2014 01:30 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 00:08:47 -0700: Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC held the first graduation review for Zaqar. During the meeting some concerns arose. I've listed those concerns below with some comments hoping that it

Re: [openstack-dev] Standard virtualenv for docs building

2014-09-08 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/08/2014 11:59 AM, Joshua Harlow wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to get some feedback on a change that I think will make the docs building process more understood, Currently there is a script @

Re: [openstack-dev] how to provide tests environments for python things that require C extensions

2014-09-08 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/05/2014 07:21 AM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 09/05/2014 06:32 AM, Sean Dague wrote: While reviewing this zookeeper service group fix in Nova - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102639/ it was exposed that the zookeeper tests aren't running in infra. The crux of the issue is that zookeeper

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] Puppet elements support

2014-09-08 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/08/2014 04:11 PM, Emilien Macchi wrote: Hi TripleO community, I would be really interested by helping to bring Puppet elements support in TripleO. So far I've seen this work: https://github.com/agroup/tripleo-puppet-elements/tree/puppet_dev_heat which is a very good bootstrap but really

Re: [openstack-dev] Kilo Cycle Goals Exercise

2014-09-07 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/03/2014 08:37 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: As you all know, there has recently been several very active discussions around how to improve assorted aspects of our development process. One idea that was brought up is to come up with a list of cycle goals/project priorities for Kilo [0]. To that

Re: [openstack-dev] how to provide tests environments for python things that require C extensions

2014-09-05 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/05/2014 06:32 AM, Sean Dague wrote: While reviewing this zookeeper service group fix in Nova - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102639/ it was exposed that the zookeeper tests aren't running in infra. The crux of the issue is that zookeeper python modules are C extensions. So you have to

[openstack-dev] [nova][neutron] default allow security group

2014-09-05 Thread Monty Taylor
Hi! I've decided that as I have problems with OpenStack while using it in the service of Infra, I'm going to just start spamming the list. Please make something like this: neutron security-group-create default --allow-every-damn-thing Right now, to make security groups get the hell out of

[openstack-dev] Mirror changes

2014-09-05 Thread Monty Taylor
Hey all! A few of quick notes about PyPI mirrors and the gate. Firstly - today we just rolled out per-cloud-region mirrors. Hopefully this eliminate issues we have from time to time with connections to PyPI timing out. We have a selector script running on node creation, so nodes in, say,

Re: [openstack-dev] Announcing Gertty 1.0.0: A console interface to Gerrit

2014-09-04 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/04/2014 04:17 PM, James E. Blair wrote: Announcing Gertty 1.0.0 Gertty is a console-based interface to the Gerrit Code Review system. If that doesn't sound interesting to you, then just skip right on to the next message. This mailing list gets a lot of traffic, and it's going to take

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Monty Taylor
On 08/05/2014 09:18 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: Hello stackers, TC, Neutron contributors, At the Nova mid-cycle meetup last week in Oregon, during the discussion about the future of nova-network, the topic of nova-network - Neutron migration came up. For some reason, I had been clueless about the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Monty Taylor
On 08/05/2014 09:34 AM, Mike Spreitzer wrote: Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote on 08/05/2014 12:27:14 PM: On 08/05/2014 09:18 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: Hello stackers, TC, Neutron contributors, At the Nova mid-cycle meetup last week in Oregon, during the discussion about the future

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-05 Thread Monty Taylor
On 08/05/2014 09:03 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, With the incredible growth of OpenStack, our development community is facing complex challenges. How we handle those might determine the ultimate success or failure of OpenStack. With this cycle we hit new limits in our processes,

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][libvirt][baremetal] Nova Baremetal's Usage of Components from Libvirt

2014-08-04 Thread Monty Taylor
On 08/04/2014 03:54 PM, Solly Ross wrote: Hello All, So, I'm working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111459/, and have encountered an issue. It seems that the Nova Baremetal driver uses the ImageCacheManager from the Libvirt driver. For various reasons (see the commit), the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] so what do i do about libvirt-python if i'm on precise?

2014-07-30 Thread Monty Taylor
On 07/30/2014 03:34 PM, Clark Boylan wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2014, at 03:23 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2014-07-30 13:21:10 -0700 (-0700), Joe Gordon wrote: While forcing people to move to a newer version of libvirt is doable on most environments, do we want to do that now? What is the benefit

Re: [openstack-dev] [gate] The gate: a failure analysis

2014-07-28 Thread Monty Taylor
On 07/28/2014 02:32 PM, Angus Lees wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:22:07 AM Doug Hellmann wrote: On Jul 28, 2014, at 2:52 AM, Angus Lees g...@inodes.org wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:39:49 PM David Kranz wrote: On 07/21/2014 04:13 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 07/21/2014 02:03 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] fair standards for all hypervisor drivers

2014-07-16 Thread Monty Taylor
On 07/16/2014 07:27 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:28 AM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 08:12:47AM -0700, Clark Boylan wrote: I am worried that we would just regress to the current process because we have tried something similar

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] pypi-mirror is now unsupported - what do we do now?

2014-07-13 Thread Monty Taylor
On 07/10/2014 02:44 PM, Richard Jones wrote: On 10 July 2014 23:27, Mulcahy, Stephen stephen.mulc...@hp.com wrote: When I last tested bandersnatch, it didn’t work well behind a proxy (in fact most of the existing pypi mirroring tools suffered from the same problem) – pypi-mirror has worked

Re: [OpenStack-Infra] mysqlconnector and pypi vs oracle

2014-07-12 Thread Monty Taylor
? On 12 July 2014 15:43, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: No. Same license. On Jul 11, 2014 10:23 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: Wont the licence be a problem? On 12 Jul 2014 05:59, Angus Lees gusl...@gmail.com wrote: Id like to switch to using

Re: [OpenStack-Infra] mysqlconnector and pypi vs oracle

2014-07-10 Thread Monty Taylor
I have talked with Oracle about publishing this non external, but they were not immediately receptive. On Jul 10, 2014 10:55 AM, Doug Hellmann doug.hellm...@dreamhost.com wrote: You should probably bring this up on the main -dev mailing list. Not everyone involved in requirements management

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] Commit messages and lawyer speak

2014-07-08 Thread Monty Taylor
On 07/07/2014 08:18 PM, Anne Gentle wrote: Hi John, There's a thread started on the legal-discuss list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/legal-discuss/2014-July/000304.html Probably want to follow along there. Hi! a) I agree with Anne - so I have responded there. b) I agree with Robert

Re: [openstack-dev] [infra][oslo][neutron] Need help getting oslo.messaging 1.4.0.0a2 in global requirements

2014-07-01 Thread Monty Taylor
On 06/30/2014 02:28 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Mon, 2014-06-30 at 16:52 +, Paul Michali (pcm) wrote: I have out for review 103536 to add this version to global requirements, so that Neutron has an oslo fix (review 102909) for encoding failure, which affects some gate runs. This review

Re: [openstack-dev] [marconi] Python 3.3 Gate is Passing!

2014-06-27 Thread Monty Taylor
On 06/27/2014 08:20 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 26/06/14 15:40 +, Kurt Griffiths wrote: Hi everyone, I just wanted to to congratulate Nataliia on making Marconi one of the first OS project to pass the py33 gate! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrEQrZiCMAAbfEX.png:large Now, let’s make

Re: [OpenStack-Infra] .. OpenStack Summit in Paris

2014-06-27 Thread Monty Taylor
Hey! I expect pretty much all of us to be there. I very much look forward to spending time with you in person. I doubt we'll have an adjacent hackathon ... The summit itself is usually all we can handle. :) On Jun 27, 2014 8:03 AM, Antoine Musso has...@free.fr wrote: Le 27/06/2014 01:03,

Re: [OpenStack-Infra] opportunity for convergence with jjb, turbo-hipster and ansible

2014-06-27 Thread Monty Taylor
On 06/27/2014 09:04 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2014-06-27 14:40:44 +0200 (+0200), Antoine Musso wrote: [...] I was wondering whether yet another DSL could be build on top of JJB / Zuul. JJB would provide the templates, macro etc and Zuul the pipelines and templates. The new DSL would let

Re: [openstack-dev] [hacking] rules for removal

2014-06-24 Thread Monty Taylor
On 06/20/2014 02:33 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: After seeing a bunch of code changes to enforce new hacking rules, I'd like to propose dropping some of the rules we have. The overall patch series is here -

Re: [openstack-dev] [hacking] rules for removal

2014-06-24 Thread Monty Taylor
On 06/22/2014 02:49 PM, Duncan Thomas wrote: On 22 June 2014 14:41, Amrith Kumar amr...@tesora.com wrote: In addition to making changes to the hacking rules, why don't we mandate also that perceived problems in the commit message shall not be an acceptable reason to -1 a change. -1.

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] Adopting pylockfile

2014-06-23 Thread Monty Taylor
On 06/23/2014 11:24 AM, Ben Nemec wrote: On 06/23/2014 10:02 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Ben Nemec openst...@nemebean.com wrote: On 06/23/2014 08:41 AM, Julien Danjou wrote: Hi there, We discovered a problem in pylockfile recently, and after discussing with

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