[Python-Dev] Re: Retiring this mailing list ?

2023-11-14 Thread Steve Holden
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 10:18, Marc-Andre Lemburg wrote: > [...] > > Question: Should we retire and archive this mailing list ? > (I'm asking as one of the maintainers of the ML) > > [...] Hi Marc-Andre, Maybe just require senders to be members of the python.org domain, and retain the release

[Python-Dev] Re: detecting statements which result is not stored

2023-10-05 Thread Steve Holden
Sounds like you might want the "Python Help" group on https;// discuss.python.org - the dev conversation migrated there quite a while ago now, so thighs channel is more or less announcements only. Good luck with your project! Kind regards, Steve On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 at 16:07, Guenther Sohler

[Python-Dev] Re: Some pattern annoyance

2023-08-02 Thread Steve Holden
Hi Chris, Nice to see you on the list. While this is definitely off-topic, I trust I might be given license by the list's few remaining readers to point out that the match-case construct is for _structural_ pattern matching. As I wrote in the latest Nutshell: "Resist the temptation to use match

Re: [python-uk] PyCon US - anyone going?

2023-04-05 Thread Steve Holden
//anvil.works > > Tel: +1 650-468-0667 > > > *Proud Sponsors of PyCon 2023 <https://us.pycon.org>* > > > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 7:58 PM Steve Holden wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Is anyone going to PyCon in Salt Lake City this year? >> >

[python-uk] PyCon US - anyone going?

2023-04-04 Thread Steve Holden
Hi all, Is anyone going to PyCon in Salt Lake City this year? I'm donating a swag bag (empty) from the very first PyCon as a PyLadies auction lot, but the carriage prices are shocking to get it there in time, so I was wondering if some kind soul might be able to carry it over there for me. Kind

[Python-Dev] Re: Feature Request: Adding Way to Annotate Class Variables Distinct from Instance Variables

2022-12-21 Thread Steve Holden
Well, the first comment is that this isn't really the best list to ask such questions on, since it was created for the Python developers to discuss the development of the language and its implementation. Further, such discussions nowadays take place on discuss.python.org, and you can find more

[Python-Dev] Re: problem with Distributed File System Replication and Namespacing and different versions of Python 3

2022-10-26 Thread Steve Holden
I don't remember it being mentioned, but much of the traffic recently migrated from this list to https://discuss.python.org/c/core-dev/23, which you may wish to keep in touch with. Kind regards, Steve On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 7:53 AM Juan Cristóbal Quesada <

[PSF-Community] Re: End Of life: Christoph Gohlke, Unofficcial Windows Binaries for Python Extension Packages

2022-06-15 Thread Steve Holden
Would it also be appropriate to nominate Cristoph for a Fellowship and/or community service award? Kind regards, Steve On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 11:22 AM Massa, Harald Armin wrote: > Hi dear PSF coMembers, > > Christoph Gohlkes Windows Binaries are nearing end of Life > >

[Python-Dev] Re: Descriptions in unittest and avoiding confusion

2022-04-06 Thread Steve Holden
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 4:13 PM Coyot Linden (Glenn Glazer) < co...@lindenlab.com> wrote: > I would like to point out another use case of triple quotes outside of > docstrings. We do a lot of SQL here and so doing a parameterized query > like: > > """SELECT foo > FROM bar > WHERE baz = %s""" > >

[Python-Dev] Re: Enhancing generic type documentation in the standard library

2022-03-30 Thread Steve Holden
Not defining the semantics of annotations was a brave move, but inevitably led to the situation where different use cases, all quite reasonable, would spring into being. Now they have, the development team has to decide a) which ones to sanction and b) which will be left out in the cold. I wish

[Python-Dev] Re: Are "Batteries Included" still a Good Thing? [was: It's now time to deprecate the stdlib urllib module]

2022-03-27 Thread Steve Holden
Time for a __legacy__ package? Kind regards, Steve On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 7:06 PM Paul Moore wrote: > On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 at 17:11, Christopher Barker > wrote: > > > > With the json package included, all they need to do is `import json`. If > that wasn't there, they's look in PyPi for a

[python-uk] Fwd: It Will Never Work in Theory: live!

2022-03-03 Thread Steve Holden
: It Will Never Work in Theory: live! To: Steve Holden Hi Steve, On April 27, It Will Never Work in Theory is running two sets of online lightning talks from leading software engineering researchers in which they’ll summarize actionable findings from their work for practitioners. Tickets are now

[Python-Dev] Re: Minor inconvenience: f-string not recognized as docstring

2022-01-13 Thread Steve Holden
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 6:24 PM Guido van Rossum wrote: > I personally think F-strings should not be usable as docstrings. If you > want a dynamically calculated docstring you should assign it dynamically, > not smuggle it in using a string-like expression. We don't allow "blah {x} >

[Python-Dev] Re: The current state of typing PEPs

2021-12-02 Thread Steve Holden
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 5:05 PM Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 02:30:18PM +, Paul Moore wrote: > [...] > Aside: I'm a little disappointed in the way the typing ecosystem has > developed. What I understood was that we'd get type inference like ML or > Haskell use, so we

[Python-Dev] Re: Preventing Unicode-related gotchas (Was: pre-PEP: Unicode Security Considerations for Python)

2021-11-29 Thread Steve Holden
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 8:42 AM Kyle Stanley wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 5:04 PM wrote: > >> >> >> def 횑퓮햑풍표(): >> > [... Python code it's easy to believe isn't grammatical ...] > return ₛ >> > > 0_o color me impressed, I did not think that would be legal syntax. Would > be

[Python-Dev] Re: Remove asyncore, asynchat and smtpd modules

2021-11-28 Thread Steve Holden
Speaking as the author of the doc pages, I think I can safely say that anyone who was smart enough to use asyncore/asychat back in the day (I used it in "Python Web Programming") is almost certainly smart enough to have migrated away from them long ago. They were an interesting approach to

[Python-Dev] Re: Should the definition of an "(async) iterator" include __iter__?

2021-09-19 Thread Steve Holden
I understood that _iterables_ are required to have an __iter__ method, not iterators. Therefore, are we simply discussing whether all iterators should be iterable? At the moment the CPython implementation does't require that AFAIK. regards Steve On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 8:39 PM Guido van Rossum

[Python-Dev] Re: Should PEP 8 be updated for Python 3 only?

2021-08-25 Thread Steve Holden
I suspect it's the same motivation that makes us comment out a block of code rather than deleting it, even though we know the VCS will let us retirive it whenever we want. If I'm wrong it won't be fatal. Or surprising ;-) Kind regards, Steve On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 8:53 PM Eric V. Smith wrote:

[Python-Dev] Re: My apologies to the list

2021-08-25 Thread Steve Holden
You forgot: 5. When I just don't damned well feel like it. Kind regards, Steve On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 8:25 PM Brett Cannon wrote: > I just wanted to apologize for any angst or noise my replies to Marco > caused folks. I should have known that correcting Marco on how to address > me would

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-18 Thread Steve Holden
Your inflated sense of your own significance is unfortunate, since it appears to prohibit you from considering the possibility you might have made a rather silly mistake here, and one which is calculated to move you further away from your stated goals. Kind regards, Steve On Tue, Aug 17, 2021

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 649: Deferred Evaluation Of Annotations

2021-08-11 Thread Steve Holden
On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 7:09 AM Larry Hastings wrote: > On 8/10/21 11:15 AM, Thomas Grainger wrote: > > Although the co_annoations code could intercept the NameError and replace > return a ForwardRef object instead of the resolved name > > > No, it should raise a NameError, just like any other

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 649: Deferred Evaluation Of Annotations

2021-08-11 Thread Steve Holden
On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 2:27 PM Guido van Rossum wrote: > As it happens, I have a working prototype of lazy in marshaling that would > work well for this. > > Nice to see you keep the time machine in working order ... Kind regards, Steve ___

[Python-Dev] Re: Is the Python review process flawed?

2021-07-02 Thread Steve Holden
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:47 AM wrote: > Okay so I just code a little bit and I used the multiprocessing module but > my code didn't work and I found the solution on Stack Overflow and it > turned out to be not my mistake (which has never happened before I think). > Instead I found out it's a

[Python-Dev] Re: name for new Enum decorator

2021-06-06 Thread Steve Holden
On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 10:26 PM Ethan Furman wrote: > On 5/28/21 12:43 AM, Petr Viktorin wrote: > > On 28. 05. 21 5:24, Ethan Furman wrote: > > >> class FlagWithMasks(IntFlag): > >> DEFAULT = 0x0 > >> > >> FIRST_MASK = 0xF > >> FIRST_ROUND = 0x0 > >>

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 659: Specializing Adaptive Interpreter

2021-05-14 Thread Steve Holden
On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 11:07 PM Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Steve > (one of the other ones) > We are all other Steves! ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 659: Specializing Adaptive Interpreter

2021-05-13 Thread Steve Holden
On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 9:18 AM Mark Shannon wrote: > Hi Terry, > > On 13/05/2021 5:32 am, Terry Reedy wrote: > > On 5/12/2021 1:40 PM, Mark Shannon wrote: > > > >> This is an informational PEP about a key part of our plan to improve > >> CPython performance for 3.11 and beyond. > > > >> As

[python-uk] Python 2.7 conversion project

2021-04-28 Thread Steve Holden
Hi all, Hope you are doing well in these uncertain times. I now work full-time, but this week a former consulting client approached me about converting their large Python 2.7 application, with integrated C++ libraries, to Python 3. Since I can't undertake this work myself I said I'd look for

[Python-Dev] Re: How about using modern C++ in development of CPython ?

2021-04-20 Thread Steve Holden
On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 7:15 PM Denis Kotov wrote: > Ethan Furman wrote: > > On 4/16/21 10:43 AM, redrad...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Take a look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Sd8A6_fYU > > > or read some articles ... otherwise I will need to spend too many time > providing

[Python-Dev] Re: gzip.py: allow deterministic compression (without time stamp)

2021-04-14 Thread Steve Holden
DEFAULT_TIMESTAMP? Kind regards, Steve On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 8:03 PM wrote: > If the so, then a better name than NO_TIMESTAMP should be chosen, as the > gzip specification does not allow for no timestamp. > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list --

[Python-Dev] Re: Typing syntax and ecosystem

2021-04-13 Thread Steve Holden
The old rule is best: be strict in what you produce and liberal i what you accept. Kind regards, Steve On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 12:52 AM Edwin Zimmerman wrote: > On 4/12/2021 6:34 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > Had the sentences ended at "confusing" or said something like "I don't > think it's as

[Python-Dev] Re: Security releases of CPython

2021-02-19 Thread Steve Holden
On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 10:53 PM Christian Heimes wrote: > On 19/02/2021 23.22, Stestagg wrote: > > The thing that stood out from this conversation, for me, is: Releases > > are too hard, and there’s a risk of not having enough volunteers as a > > result. > > > > How hard is it to fix that? > >

[Python-Dev] Re: Concerns about PEP 634

2021-02-06 Thread Steve Holden
emerged in > the discussions. > On 06.02.2021 23:58, Steve Holden wrote: > > My suggestion that it be introduced via __future__ due to its contentious > nature met immediate resistance. No point going down that road. > > Kind regards, > Steve > > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at

[Python-Dev] Re: Concerns about PEP 634

2021-02-06 Thread Steve Holden
My suggestion that it be introduced via __future__ due to its contentious nature met immediate resistance. No point going down that road. Kind regards, Steve On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 8:15 PM Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev < python-dev@python.org> wrote: > With such a large new area of functionality

[Python-Dev] Re: New sys.module_names attribute in Python 3.10: list of all stdlib modules

2021-01-26 Thread Steve Holden
If the length of the name is any kind of issue, since the stdlib only contains modules (and packages), why not just sys.stdlib_names? On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 5:18 PM Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi Bernat, > > "stdlib_module_names" was my first idea but it looks too long, so I > chose

[Python-Dev] Re: macOS issues with 3.8.7rc1

2020-12-09 Thread Steve Holden
A general wish not to disadvantage those with older hardware any more than they already are? Just a shot in the dark. On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:17 PM Gregory P. Smith wrote: > > > As a meta question: Is there a good reason to support binaries running on > macOS earlier than ~

[Python-Dev] Re: The semantics of pattern matching for Python

2020-11-20 Thread Steve Holden
Fair enough. On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:45 AM Thomas Wouters wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 8:38 AM Steve Holden wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 8:08 PM Brett Cannon wrote: >> >> All I will say is just because we aren't *required* to implement it in &

[Python-Dev] Re: The semantics of pattern matching for Python

2020-11-19 Thread Steve Holden
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 8:08 PM Brett Cannon wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 5:16 AM Steve Holden wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 7:04 PM Daniel Moisset >> wrote: >> >>> [sorry for the duplicate, meant to reply-all] >>> >>> Tha

[Python-Dev] Re: Why does "except Ex as x" not restore the previous value of x?

2020-11-19 Thread Steve Holden
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 7:45 PM Brett Cannon wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 10:16 PM Greg Ewing > wrote: > >> On 18/11/20 4:36 pm, Larry Hastings wrote: >> > >> > But, >> > the thinking went, you'd never want to examine the last value from a >> > list generator, so it was more convenient

[Python-Dev] Re: The semantics of pattern matching for Python

2020-11-19 Thread Steve Holden
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 7:04 PM Daniel Moisset wrote: > [sorry for the duplicate, meant to reply-all] > > Thank you for this approach, I find it really helpful to put the > conversation in these terms (semantics and guiding principles). > > It does help to rationalise discussion ;-) > [...] >

[Python-Dev] Re: Please do not remove random bits of information from the tutorial

2020-11-13 Thread Steve Holden
On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 8:49 PM Guido van Rossum wrote: > The correct place for the docs for __cause__ and __context__ is in the > section in the library reference about exceptions. There's quite a bit > about them there already. That's where the tutorial should link as well. > > And now I ask

[Python-Dev] Re: Who is target reader of tutorial?

2020-11-07 Thread Steve Holden
As I remember the webmaster@ discussions, Mats did go so far as to start a re-write of the classes section, but it never got as far as a PR. Kind regards, Steve On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 5:51 PM Guido van Rossum wrote: > Ouch, that's bad. It seems the class tutorial could use an overhaul. > > We

[issue8943] Bug in InteractiveConsole /pickle

2020-10-28 Thread Steve Holden
Change by Steve Holden : -- nosy: -holdenweb ___ Python tracker <https://bugs.python.org/issue8943> ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe:

[python-uk] Vacancy Notice

2020-10-27 Thread Steve Holden
My employer's Platform group has vacancies, including one for a full-stack Python developer. The position is fully remote (I was hired without meeting anyone in the company face to face). The only downside is you might end up working in my team. See

[Python-Dev] Re: Speeding up CPython

2020-10-21 Thread Steve Holden
On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 8:37 AM Paul Moore wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 08:14, Christian Heimes > wrote: > > > > On 21/10/2020 00.14, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 06:04:37PM +0100, Paul Moore wrote: > > > > > >> What I don't see is where the money's coming from. It's

[Python-Dev] Re: Remove module's __version__ attributes in the stdlib

2020-10-16 Thread Steve Holden
Since some code clearly accesses __version__, would it make sense to equip all stdlib modules with a __version__ property that returned the Python version, suitably prefixed? Kind regards, Steve On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 5:28 AM Karthikeyan wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 12:45 AM Serhiy

[Python-Dev] Re: [python-committers] Resignation from Stefan Krah

2020-10-13 Thread Steve Holden
Full marks to the SC for transparency. That's a healthy sign that the community acknowledges its disciplinary processes must also be open to scrutiny, and rather better than dealing with matters in a Star Council. Kind regards, Steve On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 12:10 AM Thomas Wouters wrote: > >

[Python-Dev] Re: Hygenic macros PEP.

2020-09-16 Thread Steve Holden
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:53 PM Mark Shannon wrote: > [...] > > maybe!(a.b) > > which would translate to: > > $tmp = a; None if $tmp is None else ($tmp.b) > > This reminds me very much of PL/1's "compile-time procedures," which forty years ago were pretty much like PL/1

Re: [PSF-Community] Invitation to PSF Trademarks Working Group

2020-08-22 Thread Steve Holden
As someone who's worked on this committee, I would say that the questions that come along are often interesting, and the work can give you valuable insight into a less-technical part of Python's governance. It relies on the common sense of its members to consistently apply policy in a way that

[Python-Dev] Re: How to customize CPython to a minimal set

2020-07-22 Thread Steve Holden
Sadly micropython is not intended to support numerical libraries and other such complex modules: the support for the Python standard library is pretty much non-existent. Kind regards, Steve On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 3:10 PM Huang, Yang wrote: > Thank you for all your comments. > > I cannot

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 622 version 2 (Structural Pattern Matching)

2020-07-16 Thread Steve Holden
While I understand the point of view that says that match ... : should encapsulate a sequence of indented suites, it seems to me that match/case/case/.../else has a natural affinity with try/except/except/.../finally/else, and nobody seems to think that the excepts should be indented. Or the

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 622 version 2 (Structural Pattern Matching)

2020-07-11 Thread Steve Holden
Given that case will be a keyword, what's the case (pun unintentional) for indenting the case clauses? What's wrong with 'case' and 'else' both indented the same as match? Without the keyword there'd be a case for indenting, but with it I don't see the necessity. Kind regards, Steve On Fri, Jul

[Python-Dev] Re: [Python-ideas] Re: Amend PEP-8 to require clear, understandable comments instead of Strunk & White Standard English comments

2020-06-29 Thread Steve Holden
do not necessarily require my opinions to be thought reasonable, even by other reasonable people. Kind regards, Steve On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:22 AM Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 2:31 AM Steve Holden wrote: > > The commit message used, however, reveals imple

[Python-Dev] Re: [Python-ideas] Re: Amend PEP-8 to require clear, understandable comments instead of Strunk & White Standard English comments

2020-06-29 Thread Steve Holden
It's broadly accepted among professional writers that the language used should be acceptable and comprehensible to the audience. This seems uncontentious. Posting a straightforward change representing a relaxation of standards (which were not in any case being enforced) should also be

Re: [python-uk] Looking for remote work opportunity

2020-06-03 Thread Steve Holden
Always worth a look at the Python Jobs board - some opportunities are remote consulting. https://www.python.org/jobs/ Kind regards, Steve On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 5:27 AM Ramachandra Raju < mail.ramachandra.r...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Guys, I am Ram from Bangalore India. > I have 14 Years of

[pydotorg-www] Conversion to emeritus status

2020-05-29 Thread Steve Holden
Hi Ewa, Betsy, webmasters and pydotorgers, With my 70th birthday coming up, even though I continue to work happily it's definitely time to wind some activities down. As you know I've been planning to do this for some time, so I'm sure this request to convert to emeritus status will come as no

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 618: Add Optional Length-Checking To zip

2020-05-20 Thread Steve Holden
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:11 PM Jim J. Jewett wrote: > David Mertz wrote: > > > Fwiw, I don't think it changes my order, but 'strict' is a better word > than > > 'equal' in all those places. I'd subtract 0.1 from each of those votes if > > they used "equal". > > I would say that 'equal' is worse

Re: [pydotorg-www] Update to our listing on https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining

2020-05-19 Thread Steve Holden
Hi Tom, Thanks for your email. Surprisingly perhaps, spaces in Wiki names seem to work just fine. I've given your Wiki account editor permissions. I hope you can log in! Kind regards, Steve On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 10:56 AM Tom Walker wrote: > Hi there, > > > > I hope this email finds you

Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing a page

2020-05-08 Thread Steve Holden
Thanks for your interest. I've added EtienneLamy to the list of editors, so you should be fine to go ahead now. Kind regards, Steve On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 1:03 PM wrote: > Hi, > > > > I’m EtienneLamy. I just created an account because I’ve been looking into > doing RPC calls with python and

Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] Error on "Sunsetting Python 2" Article

2020-04-21 Thread Steve Holden
Copying to site maintainers. Thanks for your input. Kind regards, Steve On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:55 PM Corvino, Joseph P < joseph.corv...@duke-energy.com> wrote: > Dear Python Webmaster, > > > > There is an error on the “Sunsetting Python 2” page. In the section titled > “I depend on some

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 617: New PEG parser for CPython

2020-04-06 Thread Steve Holden
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:04 PM Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 11:36 AM Steven D'Aprano > wrote: > >> >> Personally, I would not like to have to explain to newcomers why `match` >> is a keyword but you can still use it as a function or variable, but not >> other keywords like

Re: [pydotorg-www] Add me at Python Wiki's Editors Group

2020-04-04 Thread Steve Holden
HI Leonardo, Thanks very much for wanting to pitch in and help to improve the Wiki! Kind regards, Steve On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 10:03 PM Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 5:35 AM Leonardo Caballero > wrote: > > > > Hi guys > > > > Please, Add me at Python Wiki's Editors Group >

Re: [pydotorg-www] New editor HansNordhaug

2020-04-03 Thread Steve Holden
Thanks Hans, You should be good to go! Kind regards, Steve On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 1:13 PM Hans Fredrik Nordhaug wrote: > Reply just to you: See mail subject :-) > > Hans > > fre. 3. apr. 2020 kl. 14:09 skrev Steve Holden : > > > > Hi Hans, > > > > Thank

Re: [pydotorg-www] New editor HansNordhaug

2020-04-03 Thread Steve Holden
Hi Hans, Thanks for your note. If you can let us have your Wiki username we'll be happy to add you to the editors group. Kind regards, Steve On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:15 AM Hans Fredrik Nordhaug wrote: > (I'm sending this e-mail as recommended on > https://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage#use

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 616 -- String methods to remove prefixes and suffixes

2020-03-27 Thread Steve Holden
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 5:42 PM Dennis Sweeney wrote: > I'm removing the tuple feature from this PEP. So now, if I understand > correctly, I don't think there's disagreement about behavior, just about > how that behavior should be summarized in Python code. > [...] > return (the original

Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] Mercurial repository found - CRITICAL

2020-03-25 Thread Steve Holden
Thanks Piyush, I have forwarded this email to our web development team. I rather doubt the information is up to date, since I don't think Mercurial is used to maintain the source for the site. You will notice that the most recent referenced date in the .hg directory is around eight years go.

Re: [pydotorg-www] Change in training page

2020-03-19 Thread Steve Holden
Hi Noufal, Long time no see! I hope things are well with you. You are now an accredited wiki editor, have at it! Kind regards, Steve On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 7:21 AM Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Hi, > My name is Noufal Ibrahim and I do Python trainings. I'm based out of > India. I have a

[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-03 Thread Steve Holden
The webmaster list sends an auto-response to new posters. If something like that could happen on python-dev too, as long as the advice was clear enough the list could then simply ignore such requests, knowing that the auto-responder had taken care of it. This could drive posters to python-list or

Re: [pydotorg-www] tip on converting reStructuredText to MoinMoin wiki format

2020-02-10 Thread Steve Holden
Hi Sumana, Thanks for your note. You should publish this on the Wiki, I haven't seen any similar content anywhere! Kind regards, Steve On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 3:51 PM Sumana Harihareswara wrote: > Here is a tip for anyone who is converting a complicated page on the > wiki from

[Python-Dev] Re: Typo in Link

2020-01-28 Thread Steve Holden
Really webmas...@python.org would have been more appropriate, but I've already copied that address on my direct reply to you. The python-dev list is for discussions about the development of the language and its CPython implementation. Kind regards, Steve On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 7:20 PM Steve

Re: [PSF-Community] Python Calendar Team - Volunteers needed

2020-01-20 Thread Steve Holden
at 10:16 PM Steve Holden wrote: > Forgive me, in haste I omitted the link to the web site developer notes: > https://www.python.org/dev/pydotorg/ > > Kind regards, > Steve > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 10:15 PM Steve Holden wrote: > >> The Python community need

Re: [PSF-Community] Python Calendar Team - Volunteers needed

2020-01-20 Thread Steve Holden
Forgive me, in haste I omitted the link to the web site developer notes: https://www.python.org/dev/pydotorg/ Kind regards, Steve On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 10:15 PM Steve Holden wrote: > The Python community needs your help. Learning how to edit events is > relatively easy, though alas

Re: [PSF-Community] Python Calendar Team - Volunteers needed

2020-01-20 Thread Steve Holden
The Python community needs your help. Learning how to edit events is relatively easy, though alas I have no link. I am pretty sure there is an immediate need for volunteers, so anyone who actually wants to give to the community as well as consume it should feel free to raise a hand! If you would

Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] Telkom University Join to be public mirror

2020-01-20 Thread Steve Holden
Hi Hanang, Thanks for your inquiry. The PSF no longer publishes any information about public mirroring sites: there were many administrative issues and we felt they tended to divert traffic away from python.org and towards other sites of unknown quality. For these reasons the PSF has invested

Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit page access request

2020-01-18 Thread Steve Holden
Hi there, I've updated the editors' list, so you should be good to go. Thanks for helping to keep the Wiki relevant! Kind regards, Steve On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 9:57 AM Alireza wrote: > Hello, > > Im trying to add a new Python user group to "LocalUserGroups" page, I > have no edit access, My

Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to Join Editors Group | Paul Azorin

2020-01-16 Thread Steve Holden
Hi Paul, I can't speak to anyone else's experience, but this is the first message I've seen. I've added your username to the Editors' page, so you should be good to go. Kind regards, Steve On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 3:16 PM Santiago Bolivar < santiago.boli...@bairesdev.com> wrote: > Hello, > >

[Python-Dev] Re: Requesting PR review on locale module

2020-01-11 Thread Steve Holden
I've verified this fix and changed the status to "commit review." I trust that was the correct action. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 9:57 PM Cédric Krier via Python-Dev < python-dev@python.org> wrote: > Hi, > > Any chance to get this PR

[issue34311] locale.format() and locale.format_string() cast Decimals to float

2020-01-11 Thread Steve Holden
Steve Holden added the comment: Verified. Methododology: 1. Copied test_localise.py from the PR into a master checkout. 2. Added a null locale.localize. 3. Verified that all new tests failed. .. code-block:: Ran 64 tests in 0.023s FAILED (errors=4, skipped=4) (base) blockhead:cpython

Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] Fwd: [PSRT] XSS DOM on python.org

2020-01-10 Thread Steve Holden
Hey Victor, I'm sending this reply to pydotorg-www@, since it is they who handle updating the web site. webmaster@ is a common destination for such queries, but all we can do is what I've just done in most cases. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 5:03 PM Victor Stinner wrote

Re: [pydotorg-www] Resource book lists are mostly one publishing house

2019-12-16 Thread Steve Holden
at I start my Christmas vacation tomorrow evening, let me take this opportunity to wish all readers the very best of everything over their festive season, and a prosperous new year. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 8:58 AM M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Agreed. We had this disc

Re: [pydotorg-www] Resource book lists are mostly one publishing house

2019-12-15 Thread Steve Holden
They've already been warned once. Personal opinion: they should be stopped from spamming our Wiki, in which they currently have undue prominence. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 5:20 AM Mats Wichmann wrote: > On 12/14/19 9:55 PM, Frances Hocutt wrote: > >

Re: [pydotorg-www] 109 Python Problems for CCPS 109

2019-12-08 Thread Steve Holden
will make you an editor, and you can modify the ProblemSets page as appropriate. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 4:12 PM Ilkka Kokkarinen wrote: > Hello, > > > After three semesters of teaching my introduction to programming with > Python course a

[Python-Dev] Re: Deprecating the "u" string literal prefix

2019-12-07 Thread Steve Holden
In which case, wouldn't "_" make a better literal prefix than "i"? A better comparison might be between _"..." and f"...". regards Steve Holden On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 5:37 AM Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > 04.12.19 16:02, Anders Munch пише: > >

Re: [python-uk] Python 2.7 code: a spring-clean

2019-12-05 Thread Steve Holden
s would do relatively little damage. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 9:23 PM Richard Barran wrote: > Hi all, > > With the end-of-life of Python 2 upon us, I wondered about cleaning up > code that has (had!) to support both Python 2 and Python 3. Some of it is >

Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] Python success stories

2019-12-04 Thread Steve Holden
Hi Margriet, I'm forwarding this message to the web maintainers, who ought to be able to put you in touch with the Success Stories' editor. In the event that you need further help, please don't hesitate to ask at webmaster again. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 8:09 AM

Re: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated

2019-11-18 Thread Steve Holden
Good man. Thanks very much for your willingness to help. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 3:44 PM Thomas Güttler wrote: > > > Am 18.11.19 um 16:38 schrieb Steve Holden: > > Hi Thomas, > > > > Thanks for your note. You are correct, the i

Re: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated

2019-11-18 Thread Steve Holden
included in that review, so it seems unlikely the out-of-date version will remain for too much longer. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:58 PM Thomas Güttler wrote: > Hi, > > this page is very outdated. It contains notes about Python 2.2 and Python > 2.4. > > It

[Python-Dev] Re: small improvement idea for the CSV module

2019-10-30 Thread Steve Holden
If using a dictionary but still requiring attribute access, techniques such as those used at https://github.com/holdenweb/hw can be used to simply client code. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 11:15 AM Oz Tiram wrote: > Hi Steve, > > Thanks for your reply. While

[Python-Dev] Re: small improvement idea for the CSV module

2019-10-30 Thread Steve Holden
, Steve Holden On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:59 PM Oz Tiram wrote: > Hello Python-devs, > > The csv module is probably heavily utilized by newcomers to Python, being > a very popular data exchange format. > Although, there are better tools for processing tabular data like SQLite, > or

Re: [pydotorg-www] Permission request - wiki:PersianPythonBooks

2019-10-22 Thread Steve Holden
Thanks. We'll need the username for your Wiki account, and we'll be happy to make you an editor. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 7:13 PM Saeid Darvish wrote: > Hi > > Can I access the https://wiki.python.org/moin/PersianPythonBooks page to > add my own book.

[Python-Dev] Re: The Python 2 death march

2019-09-09 Thread Steve Holden
It's not dead, it's just restin' after a particularly heavy release process. regards Steve Holden On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 4:24 PM Rhodri James wrote: > On 09/09/2019 15:51, brian.sk...@gmail.com wrote: > > it's getting better? > > No it's not, it'll be stone d

Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] Job Posting

2019-08-22 Thread Steve Holden
messages that might have gone astray? The Jobs Board is mostly automated as far as I understand it. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:17 PM Justin Swanson < justin-swan...@pluralsight.com> wrote: > Hey Python.org > > I’m emailing to see when my job posting will

[Python-Dev] Re: [Webmaster] Python for Mac OS X Catalina

2019-08-16 Thread Steve Holden
traffic. Good luck! Steve Holden On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 11:04 AM Ana Simion via Webmaster < webmas...@python.org> wrote: > Hello, > > Can you advise when you’re going to update Python to work with Mac OS X > Catalina? I am running the beta of Mac OS X Catalina but am unable to &g

[Python-Dev] Re: What to do about invalid escape sequences

2019-08-12 Thread Steve Holden
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 6:26 PM Terry Reedy wrote: > On 8/8/2019 5:31 AM, Dima Tisnek wrote: > [...] > > To me, this one of the major problems with the half-baked default. > People who want string literals left as is sometimes get away with > omitting explicit mention of that fact, but sometimes

Re: [pydotorg-www] Apply to Edit Python Wiki

2019-08-11 Thread Steve Holden
add you fairly quickly (though the team are all volunteers, so it may take a little longer than this response). Kind regards, Steve Holden Steve Holden On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 7:07 AM Sam Wang wrote: > Hello, l am a student majoring in computer science. I am applying to > become an

[Python-Dev] Re: What to do about invalid escape sequences

2019-08-10 Thread Steve Holden
the ground for the eventual introduction of the syntax error. Steve Holden On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 8:07 AM Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > 10.08.19 02:04, Gregory P. Smith пише: > > I've merged the PR reverting the behavior in 3.8 and am doing the same > > in the master branch. > > I w

[Python-Dev] Re: What to do about invalid escape sequences

2019-08-07 Thread Steve Holden
incompatibility there would surely be general delight. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:19 PM eryk sun wrote: > On 8/7/19, Steve Dower wrote: > > > > * change the PyErr_SetExcFromWindowsErrWithFilenameObjects function to > > append (or chain) an extr

[Python-Dev] Re: Comparing dict.values()

2019-07-25 Thread Steve Holden
On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 4:01 AM Rob Cliffe via Python-Dev < python-dev@python.org> wrote: > I considered an alternative: return True if the underlying dicts were > identical or equal, and raise an Exception otherwise. > But I soon decided that this was a terrible idea: it could hide a bug by >

Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing the Python Web Hosting pages

2019-07-23 Thread Steve Holden
Thanks very much for taking the time to help improve the Wiki. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:16 PM stanimir wrote: > Hi, > > Silly me - my username is StanimirDjevelekov. > > I am thinking of alphabetical order, as both standard and fair for all > th

[Python-Dev] Re: What is a public API?

2019-07-17 Thread Steve Holden
PEP 8 would concur, whatever the current preferred style was. Under "Naming Conventions": """New modules and packages (including third party frameworks) should be written to these standards, but where an existing library has a different style, internal consistency is preferred.""" The

[Python-Dev] Re: Further off-topic: webmaster@ volunteers

2019-07-09 Thread Steve Holden
ing the need to seek assistance elsewhere. We see remarkably little spam, so moderating the list isn't an issue and I've been doing that unaided for over a year without noticing. Kind regards, Steve Holden On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 11:56 PM Ethan Furman wrote: > On 07/08/2019 03:12 PM, Steve

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