I had (well, sorta still have) a IIci and a IIcx I picked up some years back
at a thrift store cheap. Unfortunately that was before I learned of the
dangers of leaking batteries...you can probably guess where this is
leading...not much left of them. More recently I got a IIcx motherboard
from
ing around.
Sounds like they are rather uncommon. How about $5 each shipped? If you
feel that's too high, I'm certainly open to offers.
Thanks,
Wesley Furr
Bridgewater, VA 22812
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Have you seen the ADB-USB Wombat?
https://www.bigmessowires.com/usb-wombat/ Not sure how that compares to
prices on ADB keyboards and mice...
Wesley
On Tue, December 4, 2018 11:13 am, Christian Wacker wrote:
> I'm trying to revive my old Mac Classic that I've had kicking around for
> a few
The couple that I have done, I have used the smaller MLCC capacitors.
They are a bit more expensive, but should last much longer than
electrolytic. As a bonus, I find them much easier to solder since most of
the pad is still sticking out to touch with your soldering iron. They
also don't have a
If you are building your own case for everything, I would consider taking an
LCD monitor and taking the guts out of it, then you could build it into your
case however you would like. Also wouldn't have to worry as much about
venting due to lack of heat and such. Of course it wouldn't look as
have
JAVA support.
On Tuesday, July 3, 2018, 5:50:00 AM MDT, Wesley Furr
wrote:
Netatalk sharing won't work with newer Macs?
How about an external HP JetDirect print server with a parallel port? I
would expect they are pretty cheap on the used market these days...
Wesley
Netatalk sharing won't work with newer Macs?
How about an external HP JetDirect print server with a parallel port? I
would expect they are pretty cheap on the used market these days...
Wesley
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Keep an eye out at local thrift stores, I see them turn up from time to
time. I've started buying them whenever I find them that aren't too
expensive, as I know they are no longer being made.
The Vintage Computer Forums have a "wanted" section, you could try there too
Oddball digital cameras are something I have an interest in...and I have a
couple of the Mavica's, one of which does indeed have a memory card slot.
Another fancier and earlier model I have supports a 3.5" to Memory Stick
adapter, though I don't think that one was a "FlashPath", I think that was
apple hardware and software
Interesting, any idea which system this will work on? System 7, 8, 9?
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On 12 Jul 2017, at 3:59 am, Wesley Furr <wes...@megley.com> wrote:
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Jaz drive uses more of
a removable hard disk type car
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Jaz drive uses more of
a removable hard disk type cartridge rather than a floppy disk type of
medium...more like the old Syquest drives...which may not mean anything to
you either! Jaz drives were available in 1Gb (and later 2Gb) capacities,
Here's one that looks to be very easy to do for a Mac Plus:
https://github.com/trekawek/mac-plus-ps2
Wesley
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On Behalf Of Charlie Frown
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:34 PM
To: Vintage Macs
Subject: Re:
Don't know much about that series of Mac...but in looking online, doesn't
look like it is a stock standard type (AT/ATX/etc) power supply. May be
able to re-wire an ATX power supply, though the power-on part might be a
challenge. Probably worth pulling the cover off and having a look inside -
I'm sure someone else can help better than I can, but my guess is you may
need to go in search of a used one that will work with OS9.
Do you by chance have any PDF creator software on the iMac? Perhaps you
could print to PDF, then transfer the PDF to a newer computer (assuming you
have one) and
I would pop the cover and glance inside, make sure there's nothing obviously
going on...like a mouse nest, metal pieces rattling around loose, etc.
Aside from that, I don't know of any reason not to just give it a try. Only
ones I've heard of needing to do something special are some of the
ain.
Have a can of airduster on hand to keep contaminants to a minimum as you
replace the lid and tighten the screws.
I haven't used mine in a few weeks but I would like to build the clean room
box and give it a thorough cleaning before using it frequently.
Hope this helps,
Keith
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Well...Murphy has struck. Someone gave me a Mac Classic II a year or so
ago, and it worked great. But, I pulled it apart, knowing it would need
capacitors replaced. I removed the old ones and cleaned it up, then set it
aside. Finally got around to installing new caps recently, and today I put
I have a IIcx whose motherboard got destroyed by a leaking battery. I
acquired a motherboard for it that was of unknown condition. Clearly needed
capacitors, so I removed them soon after receiving it, but then haven't
gotten around to working on it since then. I think I posted some questions
I had a IIci and a IIcx like that...then found them eaten alive by the
stupid batteries... :-(
Wesley
On Fri, February 10, 2017 1:02 pm, NODEraser wrote:
> I may have one lurking in the basement; I have a pile of various Mac
> IIs but it's been a few years since I've tried starting any of them
There are enough wires that it should be possible (though maybe a little
ugly) to terminate at station one, go to the basement, patch through that
pair to station two, then use a 2nd pair of wires in that cable for a
"return" from station two, then patch that to the wire to the 3rd station
and
Are you looking for color or black? I've got a bunch of NOS black ones
around here somewhere...put one in a few years ago and it seemed OK for the
little bit that I printed with it.
Wesley
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To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: CanoScan FS 2710 software
7.5 on my quadra 650
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> On Apr 11, 2016, at 7:58 PM, Wesley Furr <wes...@megley.com>
What OS version are you running? Their web site also says "There is no
driver for the OS Version you selected. The driver may be included in your
OS or you may not need a driver." when I picked OSX...have you tried to see
if it would work without the disk?
Wesley
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I
I found a mess under the through-hole electrolytic caps on an LC series
power supply too...was quite surprised as I'd not seen that before in other
equipment I've worked on. I don't remember it being as liquid-looking as
your photo, but it was sure enough there...
Wesley
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may or may not be a problem...
Wesley
On Fri, March 4, 2016 1:08 pm, Louis Ciotti wrote:
> Grabbing and twisting just seem like the pad will get ripped off,
> especially on a board that is slightly damaged from a leaky cap.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Wesley Furr <wes..
Sounds good to me...but of course you're working from my play book. :-)
Removing the caps like that makes me nervous, but I've not yet had a
problem...and it's so much easier and faster. Make sure you keep twisting
and not pulling up after it starts coming loose...if a leg is hanging on,
that
values
I somehow ended up with ones that were physically too large...so those are
probably worthless to anyone here...
Thanks,
Wesley
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On Behalf Of Wesley Furr
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 7:11 AM
To: vintage
Here are part #'s and links to same on mouser.com that I bought for the
couple LC's I re-worked. Not sure which of those are used in the
Classic...be sure ratings and voltages match before ordering. What I would
suggest is going to mouser.com (or wherever you prefer) and searching for
the
Here's a post I made elsewhere about my method of doing it:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?50961-SE-30-Re-cap=400201=#post400201
If the link doesn't work, let me know and I can just re-post it here.
As noted there, I'm a huge fan of the MLCC capacitors - they seem to be
Were KVM (Keyboard/Video/Mouse) switches ever common for older Mac's with
ADB and DB-15 video? I've got a 4-port PS/2 VGA KVM switch on my PC at
home, and I have an ADB/DB15 to PS2/VGA adapter that works with it...but I
would like to have the ability to hook up or two Mac's as well...long story,
Gotcha...that makes sense now. I'm sure it is a pain if they aren't
socketed!
Wesley
On Mon, February 1, 2016 3:57 pm, Hardware Mack wrote:
> yes ALL bad.. especially the apple logo'd ones... You get it working by
> changing one or 2... then 2 months one more, then 6 months 1 or 2 more.
>
*All* bad? That seems unlikely...unless there is something I don't know
about early Mac's that can cause failure of all of them? I've heard talk
in PC circles about piggybacking a good chip on top of them temporarily in
order to find the bad chip...would something like that work to narrow it
On older drives, there are three resistor packs that look like this (though
maybe ugly yellow or black):
http://atariage.com/forums/uploads/monthly_07_2012/post-7524-0-94809200-1342
308910.jpg
On newer drives, there will be a jumper to turn it on and off.
Wesley
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From:
Any chance the power connector is somewhat loose from lots of plugging and
un-plugging? I had a PC years ago that occasionally had problems and I
theorized it was a problem with the well-used power connection...
Aside from that, I'm not sure what to suggest...other than maybe making sure
it is
Have you tried re-seating the drive connections and making sure they are
firmly re-connected?
Wesley
On Tue, December 15, 2015 9:28 am, slaws wrote:
> My Color Classic has been intermittently failing to recognize the hard
> drive on reboot. Also, when idle overnight, the computer on waking is
>
Should work on an LC/IIe card as well -
http://adtpro.sourceforge.net/lc.html
ADTPro is awesome! Was using it just the other day on a IIgs. I need to
take some time to figure out how to use the virtual drive...that could be a
nice feature, if it works as I hope it might... Another great
would advise some caution however. Apple's boards do not seem to tolerate
re-work well. Everything seems to lift from the board with very little
heat, so be careful.
Hope it helps,
Derek
On Aug 14, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Wesley Furr wrote:
I have a IIcx that got eaten alive by a battery leak. I
I have a IIcx that got eaten alive by a battery leak. I recently acquired a
replacement motherboard from someone in unknown condition. It would turn on
but not do anything. Figured it needed a re-cap, and Charles concurred. I
spent some time this evening removing the caps (put me down for a
into 1mb ram. Thus x
Assume you have proper finder
Not loading too many fonts or da s with font da mover
Didn't ResEdit
Have 50k space of fd to write to
Assume pram batt bad
Also try 400k os disk incase second read write head bad
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On Aug 7, 2015, at 6:58 PM, Wesley Furr
I recently acquired a Mac Plus from an old friend...it was her parent's and
I gather was used for many years. Unfortunately, looks like it got stored in
the basement or something and has acquired a bit of mildew...but just
sitting around problem is half of its problems...where shall I begin...
: IIcx No Chime or Video - Caps?
yup it sounds like bad caps on the main board buddy.
On Aug 5, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Wesley Furr wes...@megley.com wrote:
Looking for some opinions...
I have a IIcx here that the battery ruined the motherboard. I acquired a
replacement of unknown condition from
Looking for some opinions...
I have a IIcx here that the battery ruined the motherboard. I acquired a
replacement of unknown condition from someone for the cost of shipping.
Capacitors are obviously leaking. I can get the machine to power on, fan
whirs and power light lights up, but no chime
, August 05, 2015 6:51 PM
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IIcx No Chime or Video - Caps?
yup it sounds like bad caps on the main board buddy.
On Aug 5, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Wesley Furr wes...@megley.com wrote:
Looking for some opinions...
I have a IIcx here that the battery ruined
Hope it helps someone else out. If you can't find anything local, you might
check ebay...I looked there to see what the going price was and found lots
for sale in Radio Shack packaging...obviously for more than $2 though! I
don't recall what prices were the last time I looked (obviously $20 list
That is impressive...they have obviously done great things over the years as
far as reducing the heat generated off of enterprise-class drives. Thanks
for the info!
Wesley
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Sent:
Just be careful of the heat being generated by that 10k drive. I worked for
a small computer place in the late 90's that custom built machines. We put
together a server with a pair of Cheetah drives (the 10k drives presumably
the same as you speak of) and then they kept failing. Turned out they
Is the foot solid on top? Assuming there is enough clearance, could you
remove the motherboard (if it's in the way) and drill a hole through the
case and foot and use a small screw and nut and maybe washer on the foot to
hold it in place?
Wesley
-Original Message-
On Saturday,
Check out ebay too...lots of s-video cables there cheap...like $2 shipped.
Check out auction # 201071360268 for an example. Others in that price range
you're probably looking at direct ship from China... S-video is pretty much
old technology these days...can't really even find a new TV with an
Keep your eye out at thrift stores...you never know what you might find. I
dropped by a local one today that I hadn't visited in quite a while. They
have a pegboard thing with all sorts of cables cheap...I usually end up
buying a few that I don't need...but I might some day! I couldn't believe
Quick question...I recently saw a photo of a Mac LC motherboard (the
original one) that had a small board attached to the internal SCSI
port...from what I could see of it, it looks like it may be a terminator. I
know some of those units were sold with dual floppy drives and no internal
hard
Right...but many newer (I would guess starting around that era) SCSI
controllers, at least in the PC world, have automatic termination on the
controller itself. The LC would seem to be the same in that you don't have
to make any changes to termination on the machine when you connect an
external
Would be nice! You always have to wonder about un-used spaces on boards
like that. I stumbled into that one researching capacitor replacements...
The similar case I wondered about was what looked like a 2nd floppy header
on the other side of the LCII...but then someone pointed out that it didn't
the floppy disk drive went into for school Admins that didn't
want the kids using them for destructive purposes.
Jeff Garrison
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From: Wesley Furr wes...@megley.com
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 5:57 AM
Subject: RE: LC memory question
Would be nice! You
Might be easier to just find a ROM somewhere online to download. As long as
you own a machine matching the ROM you download, I wouldn't think there
would be any problem with that. Just search for download Macintosh ROM
and you should find some options...
Wesley
-Original Message-
Not
https://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9
https://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9t=19776#p202579
t=19776#p202579
Read above and below for more details...but sounds like it won't work.
Wesley
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On
I haven't tried it...but in doing some reading, it sounds like they results
may not be permanent. I read of at least one person who had a restored
system stored in a box (no exposure to UV light) and it had re-yellowed at
least somewhat.
Wesley
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Someone may know more than I do...but from what I gather they can hold a
charge for a VERY VERY long time...perhaps indefinitely? That's what bugs
me about all the warnings of dire injury on electric devices. Most things
are safe if you aren't stupid...but a monitor that can be deadly long after
I forget whether it was the IIci or IIcx, but when I pulled it apart, I was
surprised to notice signatures on the case... Going by
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Macintosh_models those models were
introduced after the SE.
Wesley
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I've got a 92 Caravan (just rolled over 22 miles yesterday)...it has an
occasionally odd hiccup...stumbles or power loss at moderate throttle...hit
the gas and it pops out of it and is fine. In the back of my mind I've
started wondering if aging capacitors in the computer somewhere might be
LOL...somehow that doesn't surprise me. Heaven forbid a few kids work with
a small amount of lead in a reasonable manner.
I'm definitely not using lead-free...pretty sure I crossed paths with that
trying to repair a newer computer motherboard...what a pain. I got some
Radio Shack silver bearing
OK...I've been working on replacing the capacitors on an LCII. I made the
stupid decision to start with an LC (only have one) rather than an LCII (of
which I have 4). Anyway...after half-damaging a few pads attempting to
de-solder, I've left that the LC to sit while I perfect the methods on an
In my experience with hard drives, clicking as you describe pretty much
means it is toast...I don't think I've ever gotten one with such symptoms to
come back to life.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...I know that's not what you wanted to
hear!
Wesley
-Original Message-
From:
I've started working towards going through my computer collection and making
sure all batteries are removed...and it's been a depressing experience so
far. From what I've read, in the Mac world, Maxell batteries are bad news.
In the PC world, seems like everything I have with a non-button cell
Thanks to everyone for their input. After some digging around, I stumbled
into a clone of the Hakko 936, the Yihua 936... Found a youtube comparison
of the two, and while not quite as refined, I think it will do fine. I
found it for $16 (plus $14 shipping) at
Thanks for everyone's input and thoughts...I'll have to stew on it all when
I have a little more time and pick something out and put in an order.
Wow...when you put it in that perspective, it is quite funny. :-) Amazing
how far we have come! Thanks for sharing. I can't imagine trying to work
Are there any others you would recommend? Found it on Amazon with some
mixed reviews. Wouldn't mind spending more than $20...but not sure I want
to spend $80 that Radio Shack wants for their digital soldering
station...though it does look nice!
I've got at least one old Mac that I know I need
In the PC world, a Laserjet 4 (plain 4) driver will run many models of
printers...I'm guessing a 6P included. But...someone else mentioned
postscript...which I know is an Apple thing, and I know almost nothing
about... Regardless, I would tell your Mac it's a Laserjet 4 and see what
happens...
Finally picked up an original Mac LC recently...and have a number of other
older related Mac's too...several LCII's, an LC475, a IIci, and I think a
IIcx...plus some newer power mac/G3's I snagged cheap from the local
recycling place. :-) At any rate...I was just looking more closely at the
LC,
Not sure what you're waiting for to dissipate...but if it's the monitor, it
will hold a lethal charge for a very very long time...always be careful
around CRT monitors...
Wesley
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While more modern computers will likely never be worth anything near
something rare, like an Apple I, they do seem to increase with time.
Thinking of the computers I worked with when I was in school...the IIe,
IIgs, and Mac LC...at the time they were put out to pasture from schools and
such, they
My thought process would be to use a modern PC (but not *too* modern since
it has to have a floppy drive!!) as that is (gasp) what I use...perhaps this
will be of help, sounds like someone did the same thing you are trying to
do:
http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6902
Or something
Interesting how we are so evenly spaced for the most part...
Wesley
-Original Message-
So, I am curious enough to suggest this to the group:
I have set up a shared google map, where we can indicate our locations. I
have dropped a pin for myself on the nearest major intersection
In the process of sorting through piles of stuff (though my wife and most
others would probably use the word junk!), I came across a Macintosh
HDI-20 External 1.4MB Floppy Disk Drive. Looks like was used with some
Powerbooks. Has an odd square connector. No way to test...don't recall
where I
Sorry to hear of your misfortune. :-( Any chance your insurance will cover
replacements purchased via ebay or wherever?
I'd say you don't have anything to lose! I like someone's suggestion about
a power strip to turn them on with...I would even sit it outside on the
sidewalk or something to be
I was moving some computers out of storage in our unfinished upstairs to the
new storage shed out back, and found that the Lithium CMOS battery in my
neat old IBM PS/2 Model 60 (monstrous tower that actually has a carrying
handle!) had leaked and caused a mess inside. :-( I think I have another
I'm cleaning up and cleaning out...I have in my collection a few Mac's,
LCII/III's, two that are somewhat newer, then I also have a IIci and IIcx.
Just because I don't have time to hook it up and find out myself, I thought
I would inquire of the minds here...do the older IIci and IIcx need to have
The only thing I could suggest that might be reasonable would be to ask and
call around and see if you can find someone in your area who still does
monitor repairs. There's a guy in my local area that I know in days gone by
repaired CRT monitors and is still in business and repairs LCD's...so I'm
Well said... Back in the olden days, that's the way it was. Nowadays I've
gotten used to top-posting, and I'll proudly stand up and say I personally
prefer it that way...but only if the message has been cleaned up. For me, I
usually already know what the thread is about by the subject...if I've
Should work just fine...you will of course have to re-format them to Mac
format...
Wesley
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Is it going to work? I have some pc 720KB disks but no 800KB and I am going
to get a Mac plus. Does it have some problems or will it just work? I would
like to know.
Juhano
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If it will handle parity chips, I've probably got some around somewhere (of
of PC's) that I could spare... I always assumed Mac's had to have
non-parity...
Wesley
-Original Message-
I'm thinking of replacing the 4 256k sticks. Any ideas where I could
obtain some?
May as well go
Most definitely...had that happen to an old Tandy PC of mine...a neat old
286...wow...yuck. I really need to pull it out and try to do something to
at least stop the damage from getting any worse. Probably no hope of it
ever running again though... :-( So yes...take a few minutes and pull
Great info...thanks!!
Wesley
-Original Message-
The easiest way to remove them is to get two soldering pencils and apply one
to each lead on the cap until the solder is fully melted and the capacitor
will lift up without applying any substantial force.
Getting impatient and forcing
The issue you link to is a more modern issue...not to mention I don't
recall seeing capacitors as large as the problem ones in older 80's to early
90's hardware. I believe the comment was about the little surface mount
capacitors rather than the big radial electrolytic ones that have caused so
Ugh...that doesn't bode well! I guess emulation will be the way to use
our vintage computers in the future...
Wesley
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They all go bad after a long lifetime. The plaugue happened when I was
working at a computer repair shop. I went from seeing very few problems
caused by capacitors
How do you manage to replace those puny little surface-mount jobbies though?
Through-the-board electrolytics aren't a problem, I've done a number of them
over the years...
Wesley
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Actually, it's not that hard to replace the capacitors. It could be easily
done with two hours work at
GroanLOL!
Do they tend to leak due to use (heat) and age, or is just being old enough
for them to crap out? I've got a little collection of old computers, just
wondering if they are likely failing even though they are just sitting
around 99.99% of the time (or more). Has
Unless my memory is wrong (same disclaimer as yours!), I was able to use a
program on my PC to write an image file to a Mac disk...but that was likely
a high density disk destined for a Mac LCII...and perhaps that is different
than the 800k disks...?
Wesley
-Original Message-
Going
I've been scheming and planning to do that myself. Unfortunately, as
usually happens, real life has gotten me busy and that project has gone by
the wayside... But...my plans were to use a LocalTalk to Ethernet bridge
device to do it - such as the Asante Asantetalk, which I have one of. I've
Are you sure it's a SCSI zip and not a parallel port zip for a PC? Here's
an image so you can see what both of them look like:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ronica/3235092343/
Wesley
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The ZIP comes with a cable with db 25 male on one end and a db 25 female on
the
Almost...the ZIP drive is definitely (unless there is some variation I've
never run into) DB-25 - like this -
http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/115/scsi_extern_db25_st.jpg . Make
sure it's a SCSI ZIP drive and not a parallel ZIP drive... By the original
description, I'm guessing the Mac end
Reminds me of the (alleged) IBM service manual about mouse balls:
http://www.neystadt.org/john/humor/IBM-Mouse-Balls.htm
As for the printer, feed problems were definitely the big problem with those
older models. The 500's actually had a piece you could get (at least as an
HP service center)
Sounds like it is a 128Mb MO indeed. Does the disk look like this?
http://skinflint.co.uk/a270272.html
I've got a few of them and a drive here that I had hooked up to my PC for a
while. Looks like they aren't all that easy to come by on ebay...at least
not outside of the folks that $100-200+
Is the CD drive you speak of an IDE CD drive? If yes and it has a standard
laptop-style tray load (as opposed to slot load), then any laptop drive
should work for you. In my (limited) experience (in the PC world), the size
and connection is standard, and the bezel is interchangeable.
Wesley
How does licensing work in the Mac world? I'm more a PC guy (who used Apple
II and Mac-LC era machines back in school days), so my perspective for
comparison comes from there... In the PC world (at least since the later
Windows 95 days), the PC manufacturer put a label on the PC when it was
Very interesting...looks more like an external unit retrofitted to work
internally. The first internal zip drive I recall working with was blue
(that color scheme for internals didn't seem to last long)...as I recall it
was SCSI (actually I'm sure it was, the IDE's didn't come till later on),
but
Thanks for your reply!
The dead PRAM battery would make sense then...one or maybe both that did
fire up needed a power cycle or so before they would come up - sounds like
maybe that PRAM battery gets some charge from the computer? I will have to
look into replacement...
The working hard drive
Hello all,
I found this group while doing some digging around on the internet. Back in
the late 80's and early 90's, I was in school and using Apple II's, IIGS's
and Mac LC's. I never ended up having a Mac at home, so my experience was
limited. Since then I've had extensive experience in the
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