Re: Deprecations

2020-02-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 09:50:10AM +, Matt Caswell wrote: > > > On 21/02/2020 08:06, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > In the apps, a lot of the files define > > OPENSSL_SUPPRESS_DEPRECATED, which I think is the wrong way to do > > it. We should stop using the d

Bug#951799: rng-tools: No longer supports some options

2020-02-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Package: rng-tools Version: 5-1 Severity: serious I tried to upgrade from 2-unofficial-mt.14-1+b2 to 5-1, but installation failed because --feed-interval and --rng-entropy are no longer supported. It's non-trivial to found out what the problem is, no error message is logged or displayed on the

Bug#951799: rng-tools: No longer supports some options

2020-02-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Package: rng-tools Version: 5-1 Severity: serious I tried to upgrade from 2-unofficial-mt.14-1+b2 to 5-1, but installation failed because --feed-interval and --rng-entropy are no longer supported. It's non-trivial to found out what the problem is, no error message is logged or displayed on the

Deprecations

2020-02-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Hi, We seem to be deprecating a lot of the old APIs, which I think is a good thing. But I think we might either be deprecating too much, or not actually using the alternatives ourself. In the apps, a lot of the files define OPENSSL_SUPPRESS_DEPRECATED, which I think is the wrong way to do it. We

[openssl] OpenSSL_1_1_1-stable update

2020-02-16 Thread Kurt Roeckx
- commit 57225c99ef848f0d0d1a7ab586a61ef71740f1ff Author: Kurt Roeckx Date: Sun Feb 9 19:28:15 2020 +0100 Check that ed25519 and ed448 are allowed by the security level Signature algorithms not using an MD weren't checked that they're allowed by the security level

Re: DPL vote timeline

2020-02-12 Thread Kurt Roeckx
So with the year corrected: Nomination period: Sunday 2020-03-08 - Saturday 2020-03-14 Campaigning period: Sunday 2020-03-15 - Saturday 2020-04-04 Voting period: Sunday 2020-04-05 - Saturday 2020-04-18 The new term will start on 2020-04-21 Kurt

DPL vote timeline

2020-02-12 Thread Kurt Roeckx
I'n proposing the following vote timeline: Nomination period: Sunday 2019-03-08 - Saturday 2019-03-14 Campaigning period: Sunday 2019-03-15 - Saturday 2019-04-04 Voting period: Sunday 2019-04-05 - Saturday 2019-04-18 The new term will start on 2019-04-21 Kurt

[openssl] master update

2020-02-11 Thread Kurt Roeckx
- commit 620c97b671a9c7bc31ca36a24b2242aa1aa80022 Author: Kurt Roeckx Date: Sun Feb 9 19:28:15 2020 +0100 Check that ed25519 and ed448 are allowed by the security level Signature algorithms not using an MD weren't checked that they're allowed by the security level. Reviewed

Re: Which fields containing email addresses need to be validated?

2020-02-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Feb 06, 2020 at 09:31:40PM +, Doug Beattie via dev-security-policy wrote: > I don't agree that the CA MUST validate EVERY field. CAs leverage > enterprise RAs to validate some information in SMIME certificates, e.g., the > subscribers name in the CN field because the CA can't readily

Re: Which fields containing email addresses need to be validated?

2020-02-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Feb 06, 2020 at 08:54:04PM +, Doug Beattie via dev-security-policy wrote: > It's not against Mozilla policy to > issue certificates with unvalidated email addresses in any field as long as > the Secure Mail EKU is not included, so the intent should be to validate > only those that are

[openssl] OpenSSL_1_1_1-stable update

2020-02-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
- commit 68436f0a8964e911eb4f864bc8b31d7ca4d29585 Author: Kurt Roeckx Date: Thu Jan 2 23:25:27 2020 +0100 Stop accepting certificates signed using SHA1 at security level 1 Reviewed-by: Viktor Dukhovni GH: #10786 (cherry picked from commit

[openssl] master update

2020-02-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
- commit b744f915ca8bb37631909728dd2529289bda8438 Author: Kurt Roeckx Date: Thu Jan 2 23:25:27 2020 +0100 Stop accepting certificates signed using SHA1 at security level 1 Reviewed-by: Viktor Dukhovni GH: #10786 commit 4d9e8c95544d7a86765e6a46951dbe17b801875a Author: Kurt Roeckx

Bug#950754: unbound: fails to parse old config file with do-not-query-localhost

2020-02-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Package: unbound Version: 1.9.6-1 Severity: serious Hi, After upgrade to 1.9.6-1, unbound did no longer start. It did not log anything about this in any log file. I have a config that says: do-not-query-localhost: no It now returns a syntax error for that. Kurt

Bug#950754: unbound: fails to parse old config file with do-not-query-localhost

2020-02-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Package: unbound Version: 1.9.6-1 Severity: serious Hi, After upgrade to 1.9.6-1, unbound did no longer start. It did not log anything about this in any log file. I have a config that says: do-not-query-localhost: no It now returns a syntax error for that. Kurt

[openssl] OpenSSL_1_1_1-stable update

2020-01-25 Thread Kurt Roeckx
- commit cc7c6eb8135be665d0acc176a5963e1eaf52e4e2 Author: Kurt Roeckx Date: Thu Jan 2 22:53:32 2020 +0100 Check that the default signature type is allowed TLS < 1.2 has fixed signature algorithms: MD5+SHA1 for RSA and SHA1 for the others. TLS 1.2 sends a l

[openssl] master update

2020-01-25 Thread Kurt Roeckx
- commit b0031e5dc2c8c99a6c04bc7625aa00d3d20a59a5 Author: Kurt Roeckx Date: Thu Jan 2 22:53:32 2020 +0100 Check that the default signature type is allowed TLS < 1.2 has fixed signature algorithms: MD5+SHA1 for RSA and SHA1 for the others. TLS 1.2 sends a list of supported ciph

Re: crypt(3)

2020-01-19 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 11:45:07AM +1000, Dr Paul Dale wrote: > I meant “what default makes the most sense for the passwd command line > application?” > It was crypt which is deprecated. Should it be BSD’s MD5? One of the SHA2 > based algorithms? Or should it produce an error if no algorithm

Re: crypt(3)

2020-01-18 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 10:47:04AM +1000, Dr Paul Dale wrote: > Could the people who work with distros confirm this default choice or suggest > what they use please? I'm not sure what you're asking, but crypt() has moved on from using DES like 20 years ago, see crypt(5). Kurt

Re: crypt(3)

2020-01-17 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 04:31:06PM +1000, Dr Paul Dale wrote: > I’ve got several choices: > Leave them public and unchanged — that is, don’t deprecate these two > functions yet. > Deprecate them and add KDFs to replace them. > Deprecate them, leave them alone and hope they go away painlessly at

Bug#948800: [Pkg-openssl-devel] Bug#948800: openssl: "CipherString = DEFAULT@SECLEVEL=2" has no separator.

2020-01-13 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 12:14:35AM +0900, labunix wrote: > By mistake? CipherString = DEFAULT@SECLEVEL=2 > Correctly, CipherString = DEFAULT:@SECLEVEL=2 You're right that the correct way to write it is with a : as seperator, but it's parsed correctly. Kurt

Re: Legacy Provider

2020-01-08 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 09:57:55AM +1000, Dr Paul Dale wrote: > The refactoring/FIPS work needs the question resolved about loading the > legacy provider or not by default. We’ve been through this before on the > project list [1] and in at least one PR [2]. > > I expect that its resolution

Re: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/dballe

2019-12-30 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 01:39:14PM +0100, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 11:29:52AM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > Note that the name of the .changes file by the maintainer and the > > buildd will be the same, and dak will reject it if that .changes > >

Re: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/dballe

2019-12-30 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 02:52:54AM +, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 1:29 PM Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > Would it not be possible to eliminate the need for the second > > unnecessary upload by requiring two signed .changes files to go into > > NEW? A signed binary changes

Re: Please include unique voters in GR graphs

2019-12-28 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 04:44:00PM +, Niels Thykier wrote: > Kurt Roeckx: > > [...] > >> > >> Thanks, that would be great. :) > > > > So I've done it for the current vote, it's on the website now. > > > > > > Kurt > > > &g

General Resolution: init systems and systemd results:

2019-12-28 Thread Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx
Hi, The results of the General Resolution about init systems and systemd is: Option 2 "B: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives" The details of the results are available at: https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002 Kurt Roeckx Debian Project Secretary signature.asc D

General Resolution: init systems and systemd results:

2019-12-28 Thread Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx
Hi, The results of the General Resolution about init systems and systemd is: Option 2 "B: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives" The details of the results are available at: https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002 Kurt Roeckx Debian Project Secretary signature.asc D

Re: Please include unique voters in GR graphs

2019-12-28 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 08:26:00AM +, Niels Thykier wrote: > Kurt Roeckx: > > On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 07:56:00AM +, Niels Thykier wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> It seems that GR has a stats/graph page like this: > >> * https://vote.debian.org/~secr

Re: Please include unique voters in GR graphs

2019-12-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 07:56:00AM +, Niels Thykier wrote: > Hi, > > It seems that GR has a stats/graph page like this: > * https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_initsystems/ (ongoing) > * https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/suppl_001_stats (finished) > > This includes a graph over ballots

General Resolution: Init systems and systemd: First call for votes

2019-12-06 Thread Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx
Hi, This is the first call for votes for the General Resolution about init systems and systemd. Voting period starts 2019-12-07 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2019-12-27 23:59:59 UTC The following ballot is for voting on init systems and systemd. This vote is being

Re: Option G update [signed] (was Re: Proposal: Reaffirm our commitment to support portability and multiple implementations)

2019-12-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 10:50:32PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > That's 5, I'll update everything. The website should be updated very soon. Kurt

Re: Updated draft ballot

2019-12-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 07:54:59PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:55:59PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Here is a new draft ballot: > > Here is a new one: And even a newer one: Voting period starts 2019-12-07 0

Re: Option G update [signed] (was Re: Proposal: Reaffirm our commitment to support portability and multiple implementations)

2019-12-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 04:48:48PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > Seconded. That's 5, I'll update everything. Kurt

Re: Option G update (was Re: Proposal: Reaffirm our commitment to support portability and multiple implementations)

2019-12-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 09:04:39PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > Hi! > > Ok, so here's what I'd like (or would have liked) to get into the ballot, > given the new context after the addition of the combined D+G option. But > it's not very clear to me whether this will be acceptable or not to the >

Re: Updated draft ballot

2019-12-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:55:59PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > Hi, > > Here is a new draft ballot: Here is a new one: Voting period starts 2019-12-07 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2019-12-27 23:59:59 UTC The following ballot is for voting on init systems an

Updated draft ballot

2019-12-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Hi, Here is a new draft ballot: Voting period starts 2019-12-07 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2019-12-27 23:59:59 UTC The following ballot is for voting on init systems and systemd This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the

Re: Last minute cominbations G+D and/or G+E

2019-12-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:59:36AM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Kurt, you can make the HTML for this as follows: > * c the HTML from proposal D > * Adding the new title > * Replacing the PRINCIPLES section by c the text > from G, and numbering the paragraphs as clauses > * Renumbering

Re: Draft ballot

2019-12-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 07:07:03PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Kurt Roeckx writes ("Draft ballot"): > > [ ] Choice 1: Focus on systemd > > [ ] Choice 2: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives > > [ ] Choice 3: Support for multiple init systems is Import

Re: Last minute cominbations G+D and/or G+E [and 1 more messages]

2019-12-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 09:10:00AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ian Jackson writes: > > > Kurt, do you think there are procedural steps that Sam could take or > > could have taken, which would enable it to be on the ballot, and still > > start the vote this weekend ? If so, are you able to

Re: Last minute cominbations G+D and/or G+E

2019-12-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 10:43:53PM +0100, gregor herrmann wrote: > On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:11:49 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > gregor herrmann writes ("Re: Reframing"): > > > So yes, for me a combination of options G and D would be (or maybe > > > more accurately: would have been ) helpful in

Re: Re: Draft ballot

2019-12-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 08:53:10PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > How can you issue the ballot without consensus. That is over my head. What do you think there is no consensus about that is relevant? I did not see anybody sponsor Ian's GR yet, so it seems to me I have no other option than to

Re: Draft ballot

2019-12-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 08:13:30PM +0100, Micha Lenk wrote: > Does a ballot for a DPL vote contain the platforms or just the options? Just the options. But looking at old ballots, the last non-DPL election also had the full text of the options. Kurt

Draft ballot

2019-12-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Hi, Do you think it's useful to also have the text of all the options in the ballot? Here is the draft ballot: Voting period starts 2019-12-07 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2019-12-27 23:59:59 UTC The following ballot is for voting on init systems and systemd This vote

[web] master update

2019-12-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
The branch master has been updated via 4139e6e2815280bdd6fe1618a793918c1c7156f2 (commit) from f4b6f035624adcd2228c450cb10e74c940aee37f (commit) - Log - commit 4139e6e2815280bdd6fe1618a793918c1c7156f2 Author: Kurt

Re: Proposal to overturn init systems premature GR

2019-12-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 12:24:36PM +, Matthew Vernon wrote: > Gerardo Ballabio writes: > > > Yes, that's right -- but I guess that if a sensible change is proposed > > before the actual ballot is sent out, Sam and Kurt will not obstruct > > and will agree to whatever formal step is required

Re: Call for Votes on the Initit Systems GR

2019-12-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Dec 03, 2019 at 10:09:26AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > The minimum discussion period lapsed sometime Saturday. > So, as one of the authors of a proposal, I ask the secretary to please > prepare a ballot and start the vote. > As the DPL, I ask the secretary to extend the voting period by

Re: Proposal to overturn init systems premature GR

2019-12-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Dec 03, 2019 at 04:46:12PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal to overturn init systems premature GR"): > > On Tue, Dec 03, 2019 at 04:15:02PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > I hereby propose the following General Resolution: > >

Re: Proposal to overturn init systems premature GR

2019-12-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Dec 03, 2019 at 04:15:02PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > I hereby propose the following General Resolution: > > Title: A few extra days for init systems GR text drafting > > 1. We exercise the DPL's power to set the minimum discussion > period for the init systems GR to end at 23:59

Re: Withdrawing Proposal C; Option Ordering; CFV Timing

2019-12-01 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Dec 01, 2019 at 11:48:42AM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Withdrawing Proposal C; Option Ordering; CFV > Timing"): > > The reason I didn't reorder it yet, is because it's talked about > > like that. But I guess I can just reorder it on t

Re: Withdrawing Proposal C; Option Ordering; CFV Timing

2019-11-30 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 05:34:09PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > >>>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Roeckx writes: > > Kurt> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 05:15:25PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > >> >>>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Roeckx write

Re: Withdrawing Proposal C; Option Ordering; CFV Timing

2019-11-30 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 05:15:25PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > >>>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Roeckx writes: > > Kurt> Anyway, I'm not sure what the "I'd like" means. Is that just > Kurt> an intention to do it, or did you do it? > &g

Re: Proposal: Reaffirm our commitment to support portability and multiple implementations

2019-11-30 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 06:46:27PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > > I'm thus proposing the following: That is now on the website. Kurt

Re: Withdrawing Proposal C; Option Ordering; CFV Timing

2019-11-30 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 03:47:40PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > First, if it does not reset the minimum discussion period, I'd like to > withdraw proposal C. I don't think that withdrawing an option changes the minimum discussion period. In A.2 it says: 4. The minimum discussion period is

Re: Proposal: Reaffirm our commitment to support portability and multiple implementations

2019-11-30 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 08:43:38PM +, Mike Gabriel wrote: > Seconded. Your message wasn't signed. Kurt

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-30 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 01:44:08AM +0100, gregor herrmann wrote: > On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 18:12:48 -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > I'm trying to figure out if the new proposal is redundant with proposal > > C. The text is obviously very different, but I'm trying to figure out > > if there are any

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 09:17:58PM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:16:10PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and > > cross-distribution cooperation > > Seconded. The message was nog signed. Kurt

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:16:10PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > I'd like submit the following proposal: > > Proposal: Focus on systemd to promote standardization and cross-distribution > cooperation So I counted enough seconds and it's on the website now. Kurt

Re: Proposal: Focus on systemd

2019-11-29 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 04:01:38PM -0500, Paul R. Tagliamonte wrote: > Seconded That wasn't signed. Kurt

Re: Typo in proposal D

2019-11-28 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 08:10:44PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > "which is not the what the user wanted" > > "not the what": s/the// > > The proposal also contains Markdown syntax (**, ``) which imho should > be converted to HTML on the web site. If Ian can confirm that the intention is to

Re: Please drop/replace the use of the term "diversity"

2019-11-28 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 09:07:19AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > I'm definitely fine with Kurt's revision to the title of Proposal A > given the similar change to proposal E and Ian's comments. > > > If I'm permitted to make the following change under A.1(6) (that is, > permitted to make the

Re: Please drop/replace the use of the term "diversity"

2019-11-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:54:40PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:27:13AM +, Chris Lamb wrote: > > > May I gently request we replace the use of the word "diversity" > > throughout the "init systems and systemd" General Resolution prior to > > it being subject to a

Re: CFV Timing and length of voting period

2019-11-26 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 06:01:53PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > > On 11/26/19 2:47 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: > > One question. Should I extend the voting period to give people more > > time to vote given that holidays are near. I'm not sure it would help > > much because I think the primary

Re: Proposed amendment to Proposal D

2019-11-26 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 08:34:42AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > >>>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Roeckx writes: > > Kurt> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 02:39:05PM +0100, Simon Richter wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at

Re: Proposed amendment to Proposal D

2019-11-25 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 02:39:05PM +0100, Simon Richter wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 01:09:10PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > [change removing regret about having another GR] > > > Unless anyone objects by 1400 UTC on Wednesday, I intend to accept > > this amendment, assuming that

Re: Clutter in log files, bogus connections

2019-11-24 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 04:42:50PM -0800, Hal Murray wrote: > > I see a lot of clutter in log files from things like > error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number > I assume they are from bad guys probing for openings. > > Is the error code returned by ERR_get_error()

[openssl] master update

2019-11-24 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Baldwin Date: Thu Oct 31 16:51:08 2019 -0700 Support ciphersuites using a SHA2 384 digest in FreeBSD KTLS. Reviewed-by: Kurt Roeckx Reviewed-by: Richard Levitte GH: #10372 --- Summary of changes: ssl

Re: Replacing Proposal A

2019-11-24 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 11:00:00AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > >>>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Roeckx writes: > > Kurt> It's my current interpretation that the title you gave was > Kurt> part of the text, and so not under my control. Which is why 4 >

Re: Procedural rangling

2019-11-24 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 02:53:51PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 08:43:06AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > > >>>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Roeckx writes: > > > > > > Kurt> I always struggle with trying to unde

Re: Replacing Proposal A

2019-11-24 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 08:34:13PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > "Sam" == Sam Hartman writes: > > Sam> Dear Secretary: > > Sam> Based on discussion, I'd like to replace Proposal A with the > Sam> following amended text; I accept this amendment. > > Sigh, and introduced a typo

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-22 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 01:44:09PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 1:33 PM Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:49:47PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:02 AM Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > > > > >

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:49:47PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:02 AM Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:10:13PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote: > > > > > > Please consider the above version, and all future variants that contain &

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 11:45:21AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > >>>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Roeckx writes: > > Kurt> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 02:39:09PM +0000, Ian Jackson wrote: > >> Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"): >

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 02:39:09PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"): > > I've currently put the title to "Packages should support > > non-systemd". Suggestions welcome. > > Dmitry titled his posting "

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 01:08:08PM +, Dmitry Bogatov wrote: > > Here I formally propose update of my draft and withdraw all previous > versions. This version contains only grammatical fixes and does not > change meaning. > > Here I formally propose update of my draft and withdraw all

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:10:13PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote: > > Please consider the above version, and all future variants that contain > nothing > but grammar/wording changes, seconded by me. (As opposed to meaning > changes.) I was unable to verify your signature.

Re: Procedural rangling

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 08:43:06AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > >>>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Roeckx writes: > > > Kurt> I always struggle with trying to understand that part, but my > Kurt> current interpretation is different. The page

Re: Proposal: General Resolution on Init Systems and systemd Facilities

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 08:54:55AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Sam Hartman writes: > > > To clarify, my understanding is that the discussion period started > > November 16. > > So, we're talking about a minimum discussion period expiring on > > November 30. > > Your acceptance of my amendment

Re: Re-Proposing: General Resolution on Init Systems and systemd

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 05:19:11PM +, James Clarke wrote: > > Seconded (with and without my kFreeBSD hat). That email wasn't signed. Kurt

Re: Proposal: General Resolution on Init Systems and systemd Facilities

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 09:58:51AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > "Ian" == Ian Jackson writes: > > Ian> Sam Hartman writes ("Proposal: General Resolution on Init > Ian> Systems and systemd Facilities"): > >> Timeline: I think that two weeks for discussion of this GR seems > >>

Re: Re-Proposing: General Resolution on Init Systems and systemd

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 02:41:19PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Re-Proposing: General Resolution on Init Systems and > systemd"): > > The update should be available on the website now. > > Hi, thanks. I looked at the version here > >

Re: Proposal: General Resolution on Init Systems and systemd Facilities

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 01:07:44PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I would note that as the proposer of an option with enough seconds, I > can also call for a vote when the minimum discussion period has > elapsed. You can increase the minimum discussion period, but only to > 3 weeks. IMO it would

Re: Re-Proposing: General Resolution on Init Systems and systemd

2019-11-19 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 06:29:33PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Re-Proposing: General Resolution on Init Systems and > systemd"): > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:58:35AM +, Dmitry Bogatov wrote: > > > Seconded. > > > >

Re: Re-Proposing: General Resolution on Init Systems and systemd

2019-11-19 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:58:35AM +, Dmitry Bogatov wrote: > Seconded. So that was the 5th second, and I've pushed that to the webiste. Note that it's still the original proposal, Ian doesn't seem to have accepted Russ's change yet. Kurt

Re: [draft] Draft text on Init Systems GR

2019-11-19 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 05:37:46PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon 18 Nov 2019 at 04:57PM +00, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > Russ Allbery writes ("Re: [draft] Draft text on Init Systems GR"): > >> Ian Jackson writes: > >> > + (with no substantial effect on systemd installations) > >>

Re: [draft] Draft text on Init Systems GR

2019-11-18 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 12:57:04PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > It is not clear to me who can "accept" it - would that me be as the > proposer of this version, or Sam as the original proposer ? Perhaps > Kurt's life would be made easier if Sam would, at the appropriate > point, indicate his

Re: Build failures on master?!

2019-11-18 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 09:48:38PM +, Dr. Matthias St. Pierre wrote: > The last 19 commits on https://github.com/openssl/openssl/commits/master, > starting from Nov 14 have a red cross from the CIs. What's going on again? I have filed 2 issues on Nov 9 that that caused the CIs to fail, that

Re: Re-Proposing: General Resolution on Init Systems and systemd

2019-11-17 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 09:01:45PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > I also don't think it is appropriate to consider something overriding a > > delegate unless it is overiding a specific decision of a delegate. > > For the record, it's not possible in this case to override a decision of > the

Re: Re-Proposing: General Resolution on Init Systems and systemd

2019-11-16 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 11:35:27AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > Choice hartmans1: Affirm Init Diversity > > Using its power under Constitution section 4.1 (5), the project issues > the following statement describing our current position on Init > systems, Init system diversity, and the use of

Re: Draft text on Init Systems GR

2019-11-16 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 11:08:36PM +, Scott Kitterman wrote: > As I've mentioned before, these need to be framed in terms of policy, not > RCness. Note that we also have delegated policy editors: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/08/msg2.html Kurt

Re: Re-Proposing: General Resolution on Init Systems and systemd

2019-11-16 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 11:35:27AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > The secretary requested that I have each choice be self-contained. > So I'm folding the header into each choice. > > The line of dashes separates each choice. > I formally propose these general resolution options. Can you please

Re: Draft text on Init Systems GR

2019-11-16 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 05:40:10PM +, Dmitry Bogatov wrote: > > [2019-11-15 11:52] Ian Jackson > > Dmitry, I suggest instead, this change to your original text: > > Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than > systemd continues to be value for the project.

New audit before 3.0 release

2019-11-10 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Should we let someone do a new audit before the 3.0 release? Kurt

[openssl] master update

2019-11-09 Thread Kurt Roeckx
The branch master has been updated via fd4a6e7d1e51ad53f70ae75317da36418cae6458 (commit) from db5cf86535b305378308c58c52596994e1ece1e6 (commit) - Log - commit fd4a6e7d1e51ad53f70ae75317da36418cae6458 Author: Kurt

Re: Certificate OU= fields with missing O= field

2019-11-01 Thread Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 11:08:23AM +0100, Matthias van de Meent via dev-security-policy wrote: > Hi, > > I recently noticed that a lot of leaf certificates [0] have > organizationalUnitName specified without other organizational > information such as organizationName. Many times this field is

Re: Remove All Software Generators

2019-10-31 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 02:12:19PM -, Frederick Gotham wrote: > > It appears that OpenSSL will kick and scream and refuse to die not > matter how hard you hit it. If I try to generate a random number like > this: > > openssl rand -hex 8 > > Then it seems it will try in this order: >

Re: OpenSSL quirk

2019-10-25 Thread Kurt Roeckx via devel
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 01:26:53AM -0700, Hal Murray via devel wrote: > I haven't seen any examples of OpenSSL on distros that are so old that they > don't support TLS 1.2 TLS 1.2 got added in 1.0.1, which was released in 2012. I'm guessing there are some old redhat versions that are still

Bug#943415: apache2: Disable TLS 1.0 and 1.1 by default

2019-10-24 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Package: apache2 Version: 2.4.38-3 Hi, I was expecting TLS 1.0 and 1.1 to be disabled, since that's the OpenSSL default. But it seems that apache2 always calls SSL_CTX_set_min_proto_version, with the lowest version that's enabled in the config file, even if the config file doesn't doesn't

Bug#943415: apache2: Disable TLS 1.0 and 1.1 by default

2019-10-24 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Package: apache2 Version: 2.4.38-3 Hi, I was expecting TLS 1.0 and 1.1 to be disabled, since that's the OpenSSL default. But it seems that apache2 always calls SSL_CTX_set_min_proto_version, with the lowest version that's enabled in the config file, even if the config file doesn't doesn't

[Git][security-tracker-team/security-tracker][master] chacha20 doesn't exist in 1.0.1

2019-10-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Kurt Roeckx pushed to branch master at Debian Security Tracker / security-tracker Commits: dfa79add by Kurt Roeckx at 2019-10-21T09:52:21Z chacha20 doesnt exist in 1.0.1 - - - - - 1 changed file: - data/CVE/list Changes: = data/CVE/list

[openssl] master update

2019-10-14 Thread Kurt Roeckx
- commit 42619397eb5db1a77d077250b0841b9c9f2b8984 Author: Kurt Roeckx Date: Sun Oct 6 17:21:16 2019 +0200 Add BN_check_prime() Add a new API to test for primes that can't be misused, deprecated the old APIs. Suggested by Jake Massimo and Kenneth Paterson Reviewed

Bug#941987: [Pkg-openssl-devel] Bug#941987: libssl1.1: Ciphers AES-*-CBC-HMAC-* are missing in libssl 1.1.1d, but available in 1.1.1c

2019-10-10 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 09:22:25AM +0200, Greg wrote: > Confirmed that fixes this issue, thanks ! Is this important enough you want this fixed in stable soon? Kurt

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